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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt

    I've been very pleased with the TB 29 snakeskin rear tire. With A Rocket Ron on the front it is a potent combo, I was shredding corners and muddy roots in a 2hr race last weekend. I'd like to try it on the front. I haven't had any climbing traction or cornering problems like the Nanoraptor. But the Ron is so very good with its worry free grip on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    I've been very pleased with the TB 29 snakeskin rear tire. With A Rocket Ron on the front it is a potent combo, I was shredding corners and muddy roots in a 2hr race last weekend. I'd like to try it on the front. I haven't had any climbing traction or cornering problems like the Nanoraptor. But the Ron is so very good with its worry free grip on the front.
    I just installed the same combo. The Thunder Burt sealed up tubeless with zero problems (20 minutes installing on black flag pros). On the other hand, the Rocket Ron took about 3 days of shaking and is only moderately sealed on the sidewalls. I can't wait to see how they perform.

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    Awesome!
    After running with a tube then going with Stans...THe performance of this tire tubless is WAY WAY better...IT seamed so fragile with a tube..

    My first "dose" of Stans at 2oz was not enough...loosing 5-8psi overnight. Added 1oz more = DONE zero PSI drop now.

    Just last night got back from a 10mile AWESOME ride, all dirt, putting my bike in the garage I looked at the TB..covered in dust except I can see bb size "wet spots" here and there...that must be the Stans working it's magic!! Love it!
    But I am slowly killing this tire..it doesn't take abuse well LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    I've been very pleased with the TB 29 snakeskin rear tire. With A Rocket Ron on the front it is a potent combo, I was shredding corners and muddy roots in a 2hr race last weekend. I'd like to try it on the front. I haven't had any climbing traction or cornering problems like the Nanoraptor. But the Ron is so very good with its worry free grip on the front.
    Running the same combo as well. Your description is right on.
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    Check out my ThunderBurt on Stans
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    What the heck!!??!! Look at all thoes 'spots'!!

    So ThursdayI did a 10mile loop..put my bike away dirty..went to work the next day.
    Come home and see this ^^^^ WooHHhooo

    PSI was 30...down to 28...LOL 2 psi made all those spots!!!
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    I see some peeps running them- they are always behind me though

    Seriously, WTH would you want to run a 2.1" tire for? I like RaRa 2.25, .35 or .40 on the front AND rear (depending on what fits!).

    If you like Mexican food, Thunder Burt makes and excellent front wheel taco (nightmare to maintain traction).
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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt

    Psha. Thunder Burt is a race tire. I like 2.2s on my rigid training bike but 2.1s on my Jet 9 Carbon cut weight where it matters most.

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    Being a "race tire" would explain why it's not lasting and getting shreaded by my playful riding style..it is skinny and light I agree and with my knobbys getting lower and lower it's slippin more and more...I'm no racer so don't give a hoot about perfect traction as long as I'm having fun!!
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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt

    Heh. If I weren't a racer I'd ride Nobby Nics all day every day. Don't understand the recreational riders that put on race tires and then complain about their durability, volume, and grip. Guess it's fun to have a light bike but do yourself a favor.

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    LOL !!
    I bought the tire because it has my name on it :-P
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    I don't expect my tires to last long anyway. I buy a new tire about once a month - always Schwalbe and this one does what I want it to.

    Light and fast, with loads of grip (in the right conditions) for my local trails.
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    What are your thoughts about using them for long course XC, i.e. Leadville...anyone out there want to comment on this? I'm currently training on the 27.5 Ra-Ra's snakeskin and love how they roll...but like "others" I'm being lured in to those singing shores by the Sirens of Light-weighted-ness...hence my interest in the Burties.

    560grams verses 480 (ish)? tempting...

    I was going to throw them on and put a few hundred on them. Ironically, I have about 800ish on my Ra-Ra's and they still handle/grip well. Granted...this is fire road bombing and asphalt.

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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt

    Just competed the Mohican 100 with a TB snakeskin on the rear. For the Roadville 100 you'd probably do fine with both.

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    Sweet...Thank you.

    Muchas Gracias Senior Mohican -you just made me 5 ounces lighter! Thanks - appreciate the feedback. I'm going to throw them and run'em through the gamut - "Roadville" shouldn't be as hard on them as Bonita Nueva Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isildur View Post
    I've had a chance to try a couple of versions of this tyre. Very happy with the grip, but if you're thinking of Tubeless, don't bother with anything but the Snakeskin!

    I initially bought the Raceguard version as it was the only tyre in stock at the time. Sealing it was an absolute pain in the arse! Took literally days and about 200ml of sealant.

    I've had to change the rear tyre out to a Snakeskin version. This wasn't any fault of the tyre itself mind, but just the crappy Spex sealant that I had in there. The Spex separated and was not able to seal a pin hole puncture I got last Friday, but the inside of the tyre was a mess as there was a brown liquid plus a mess of super sticky residue that even made the tyre stick to itself!

    Now, that gave me the chance to purchase a SnakeSkin TLR version of the tyre.

    Wow! Compared to the "Raceguard" version, it was night and day. Tyre beads seated straight away with some soapy water, and then I deflated and added sealant through the valve. The Raceguard literally pissed sealant through the sidewalls, tread and everywhere else, but the SS version has done a little on some small spots on the bead, the nothing on the sidewall.

    So, for anyone interested in the Thunder Burts and Tubeless, don't bother with anything but the Snake Skin version!
    I mounted mine today, used Orange Seal on a raceguard and it seated first time, no seeping through the sidewall at all.

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    Thunder B's...

    Thanks Ozzy - I have two 2.1 SNAKE SKINS on their way. Would have had them last week but I guess Schwalbe had shipped a ton of 26-ers over here in the 27.5 packaging..."Oh, those wacky Germans" Should be rolling on them puppies Friday.

    All joking aside, I really appreciate the feedback. I think for Leadville ("Roadville") they'll be perfect. I'm using Sans though...that Orange Seal turns your bike into giant orange crepe when you pop a hole...you need an engineering degree to remove it...

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    Any updates on the Snakeskin version of these tires in regards to their puncture resistance tubeless? I'm thinking about running these in a multi day event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chowder Head View Post
    Any updates on the Snakeskin version of these tires in regards to their puncture resistance tubeless? I'm thinking about running these in a multi day event.
    The one I had was Snakeskin and California GoatHead stickers were able to poke right thru it...multiple times. Tires are light and super thin. XC racers lovem!
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    Unfortunately no real help, as the majority of my riding with the TBs has been commuting on the pavement. Got one small glass cut in the tread, sealed up well enough over a few hundred meters.

    No punctures off road, though that's no surprise as the tracks have been typical hard pack Sydney trails (all sandston/clay based, well groomed trails).

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    Thank you gents, I'm torn, not sure I want to risk it for a 400 mile self supported race. I'd run the 2.25 SnakeSkin, but I'm thinking about running a Racing Ralph instead, since it has more coverage on the tire due to have more tread and less open space. Not sure.

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    I'm only a recreational rider but the pic above shows TB I ran with about 100 miles on it.. It did wear fast but I am super hard on my back tire. Tubeless was way better traction than with a tube. Thoes itty bitty knobbys stood up better and sealant took care of the goatheads.
    It is a fast tire for sure and the traction was good too.
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    Thank you Burt. i'll be riding on some Rocky fireroads and all that open space between the little knobs and the side knobs is probably what concerns me most. It looks so unprotected, whereas a Ralph has knobs covering that area. It doesn't sound like anyone has had trouble with cutting that area though.

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    I bought some TB snakeskin tires and was impressed by how stout the sidewalls were. "Seemed" tough, much thicker than previous snakeskin. I haven't ridden them yet, since...they were impossible to set up tubeless! Even with a compressor. Sidewalls were so stiff, I couldn't even lift them up onto the bead shelf. Gave up out of frustration and mounted my old racing ralphs.

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    Wow, that's odd. I've had good luck with Schwalbe tires and tubeless setup. Bummer

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    I have been running the rocket ron front thunder burt combo all last year without issue all non-snakeskin tubeless. Decided to order 2 new 2.1 thunderburt lite skin versions and set up with stans same way and have cut the sidewalls in both of them this week! Bummer. I think im going to give the new 2.25 snakeskin versions a try. love it as a back tire and with the 2.25 version out might try it on the front as well.

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    I've cut non snakeskin Ralphs, they seem really thin without the Snakeskin. Much better luck with Snakeskin.

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    Considering one of these on the rear this season. Probably SS. Racing here can be rocky and rooty. Does anyone know if this casing would be similar to a specialized control casing fast track?

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    OK, here's my report, I decided to run Thunder Burt 2.25 SS Tubeless front and rear for the Stagecoach 400, which has some of everything, rocky, sandy, paved, dirt, goatheads, water. Zero flats good traction in all situations, super fast rolling. That being said, I was riding a 45lb bike and didn't ride with reckless abandon. I had one issue, I had them set up tubeless and decided to not leave well enough alone. When I hit the first long paved section, I decided to air them up, but didn't have my pump on right and lost the air in the front and it came unseated. Co2 would not seat it and with no compressor near, had to put in a tube, but still no flats for the next 350 miles. They were tough to get up on the bead on initial setup as well. This is on non tubeless rims with Stans strips. They wore pretty well also. I would run them again without hesitation.
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    I ran a 29x2.1" Thunderburt Snakeskin all last season on the rear of my single speed. I combined it with a Rocket Ron 2.25" Snakeskin front tire. I really liked the combo, and was very surprised at how well it did on a variety of terrain. I liked it so much that I just picked up a 2.25" Snakeskin Thunderburt to try on the rear of my Tallboy.

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    Hmm... may have to give one of these a shot... sounds like some good reviews.

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    I have a new 29x2.1 TB that I won't be using (went to 27.5). Make me an offer!
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    Anyone with some measured weight of the new 2.25" 29er?
    I ran 2.1" last year and really loved them, but want a bit more volume this year due to HT racing.

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    Is the wider version available yet? I'd love to see a photo comparing the 2.1 and 2.25 versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ante_hedis View Post
    Anyone with some measured weight of the new 2.25" 29er?
    I ran 2.1" last year and really loved them, but want a bit more volume this year due to HT racing.
    I have two, 550g and 580 g. In the 2.25" snakeskin, this is my favorite race tire; they are tough, roll faster than anything I've ridden, and they have a surprisingly high level of cornering grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longfellow Mafia View Post
    Is the wider version available yet? I'd love to see a photo comparing the 2.1 and 2.25 versions.
    They are available, and substantially wider and higher volume than the 2.1 version I used last year, which was too low volume to use in rough terrain without rim strikes.

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    At that weight why not go with RaRa? Is the perf that much different? Just curious, I'm a RaRa fan but never tried TBs...
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    Anyone knows the actual width of the 29x2.1 Thunder Burt?
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    I put a 330g furious fred on the back just for giggles and it really does accelerate and carry speed better, however it looks like it was not designed to last too long, part of the tradeoff i guess. So less unsprung weight = better performance, is that only for the back or is it also true for the front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeIntelligencer View Post
    At that weight why not go with RaRa? Is the perf that much different? Just curious, I'm a RaRa fan but never tried TBs...
    At that weight they are about 60 grams each lighter than the 2.25 SS Ralph, and they roll faster. I think they corner even better than the Ralph in most conditions (which I already thought was a good cornering tire), but they do not have as much grip braking. I think the Ralph maintains grip better after a bit of wear too.

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    Thanks, very helpful. These tires get no press but looks like I might as well give em a spin. Always looking to knock 1/2lb off the bike...
    Quote Originally Posted by brentos View Post
    At that weight they are about 60 grams each lighter than the 2.25 SS Ralph, and they roll faster. I think they corner even better than the Ralph in most conditions (which I already thought was a good cornering tire), but they do not have as much grip braking. I think the Ralph maintains grip better after a bit of wear too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    Anyone knows the actual width of the 29x2.1 Thunder Burt?
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    When I built mine up, my tyres were 460g and 490g each.

    Hope that helps!

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    Weighted my 29x 2.1 at 460g each these are OEM. Set up tubeless really easy on Pacenti rims.
    Last post I wrote was for Furious Fred's a couple of years ago, I thought they were awesome race tyres, but the Thunder Burt's are even better, offering much more grip on the front but still lightening quick, I have used them for dry MTB and Cyclo Cross races to good effect.

    I highly recommend them for racing and for the weight concious

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    This is my everyday rear on my steel belt bike. Traction is excellent even out of the saddle. Best rear XC/ trail tire in my opinion.

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    Just got done riding my new Ibis Tranny set up with a Racing Ralph in the rear as I did not have a 29er Tunder Burt to run.

    Needless to say, the TB is a much much better tire for my terrain. The RR just slipped and slid all over the place. By looking at these two tires next to each other, I would swear the RR would be the more grippy tire, but this is not the case.

    On a side note, the RR was a "tubeless easy" version that was set up without any sealant whatsoever and never needed to have air added. Pretty amazing actually.
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    What was the weight? Which rims you running?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Just got done riding my new Ibis Tranny set up with a Racing Ralph in the rear as I did not have a 29er Tunder Burt to run.

    Needless to say, the TB is a much much better tire for my terrain. The RR just slipped and slid all over the place. By looking at these two tires next to each other, I would swear the RR would be the more grippy tire, but this is not the case.

    On a side note, the RR was a "tubeless easy" version that was set up without any sealant whatsoever and never needed to have air added. Pretty amazing actually.

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    The weight of the RR? That I do not know. They are pretty beefy though. I could probably measure tonight if I remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeIntelligencer View Post
    What was the weight? Which rims you running?
    Tubeless easy snakeskin Racing Ralph Evo Pace star 630 g
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    Ok to summarize: you're saving 50 to 80g per tire running TB instead of RaRa. You're improving cornering and speed but sacrificing traction and longevity.

    Rode with a friend running 2.25 TB while I'm on RR. He was very fast on hard pan but minute we hit kitty litter and shale he was spitting bits. Not fatal, he could maintain upright but wow he lost momentum. I blew right by him. Caveat: he seemed to be running his tire pressure a bit high. I'm at 19 on the RRs. Also I had NN up front where he was TB both ends.

    Not sure I trust TB on varied XC terrain but for pure race it's got def advantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeIntelligencer View Post
    Ok to summarize: you're saving 50 to 80g per tire running TB instead of RaRa. You're improving cornering and speed but sacrificing traction and longevity.

    Rode with a friend running 2.25 TB while I'm on RR. He was very fast on hard pan but minute we hit kitty litter and shale he was spitting bits. Not fatal, he could maintain upright but wow he lost momentum. I blew right by him. Caveat: he seemed to be running his tire pressure a bit high. I'm at 19 on the RRs. Also I had NN up front where he was TB both ends.

    Not sure I trust TB on varied XC terrain but for pure race it's got def advantages.
    Actually, the TB I just put on says 435g, a savings of close to 200g. Let's just be conservative and say a savings of 150g. I'm using the 2.10 Lite skin version in the rear at approximately 22 lbs. I run Rocket Rons in the front.

    The trails I run are not too loose. I feel the Thunder Burst grip the small rocks better than the RRs. I also feel they run good in the dry and damp (not wet after a rain). They are useless in the mud.

    In regards to sacrificing traction - I don't feel I am. For my XC type trails in Michigan this tire is better IMO. No, I don't run these on my Rocky Mountain. That would be silly.

    I am sure the longevity is probably less, but I feel it is a nice trade off.

    Clearly this isn't an all-round tire. But one that fits my belt drive bikes quite well.
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    I'm not sure you really sacrifice traction with TB compared to RR. I was running RR on rear for years and years, but then tried TB, and I was sure there's going to be difference in rolling resistance (and it is, big one!), but traction will be much worse. In reality, at least for me, it's quite the opposite. No idea how Schwalbe pull this out, but TB actually has more traction then RR, even in wet terrain (not mud of course, but RR sucks in mud too). As far as durability goes, I wouldn't say it's much less then RR either. None of Schwalbe tires lasts long (as far as maintaining good performance goes, not that you just run it until it's slick), so there's not much difference between any of them (XC tires of course). Only problem I have with TB is, that it's pretty fragile tire, but with 390g (for 26x2.10 tire) you can't really expect much in this area.
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