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    Schwalbe Hans Dampf

    Been riding Weirwolf 2.3 UST (Nomad Carbon) and Muddy Mary UST (Firebird) for the past year. Muddy Mary is better for the mud we have here while the Weirwolf is a little better for dry conditions.

    So for 2011 I decided to wait and try the Hans Dampf. It sounds like how I would design a tire. It's supposed to be good in the wet, in the dry, and everything inbetween. Sort of like a Muddy Mary with a little lower profile tread and more knobs in the transition area where the MM only had them something like every other or every 1/4th spot.

    So I started with 35psi, some climbing and some fun/serious AM or nearly DH trails. (I'll post a vid below of the trail). I like to start a tire out at 35 because: I'm 230lbs, I ride a bike pretty hard, and some tires can handle less and some need more before folding over for my riding style. Yeah, some tires will just blow off the rim with less for my trails/riding style/weight.

    Anyhoo, awesome tire. It has less rolling resistance than the Weirwolf or the Muddy Mary has. More cornering traction, and just feels consistent. The sidewalls are firm and I'm going to drop the psi to 32 or so when I ride next (probably tomorrow) and I would guess it'll be even better....

    Here is the trail:
    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/21185832" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/21185832">SST not from the very top</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2619169">Clayton Petree</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    Clay,

    Can you compare the Damf to the Nobby Nic 2.4's or the Fat Albert 2.4's?

    I like both the NN and the FA's, but I'm curious where you would position the Damf in the Schwalbe line assortment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porchsong
    Clay,

    Can you compare the Damf to the Nobby Nic 2.4's or the Fat Albert 2.4's?

    I like both the NN and the FA's, but I'm curious where you would position the Damf in the Schwalbe line assortment.

    Cheers.

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    Sorry, I haven't ridden either tire.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Another review here it is of any help. 2.3 is similar weight to 2.4 FA.

    Schwalbe Hans Dampf

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    ok, thanks.

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    Clay,
    Are you running them tubeless? Can you share where you got them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudBike
    Clay,
    Are you running them tubeless? Can you share where you got them?
    Yes, tubeless. They have them just call and order direct. I don't like to wait for things....

    The sidewalls on these things are great. I've ridden "for tubless but not UST" tires in the past from Specialized and another company and hated them because they rode squirmy no matter the pressure and ended up running them tubed. These feel no different to me than UST sidewalls. Maybe it's because the volume on these is quite high. Maybe they aren't, but they LOOK bigger than my muddy mary tires... almost as big as my WTB Prowler 2.5's.

    I might go ride them for a quickie tonight with lower pressure. At 35 psi they grip extremely well but I feel there's more in 'em without getting a squirmy sloppy feel or denting my rims.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Any idea what the actual weight is?

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    Just got back from another ride. I set them at 32psi this time (I'm 230 with gear). They really are a too-good-to-be-true tire so far. The sidewalls still feel super consistent and so does the traction. So far, my favorite tire ever.

    To answer jimarin:
    Tire A : 784g
    Tire B : 791g
    "It looks flexy"

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    Question, were did you mount your helmet cam for this FOV. Looks good i have a contour hd and been experimenting trying to find similiar to what your view is. Thanks ahead of time, also im stationed in germany picking up some mavic crossmax st wheelset tommorrow and hopefully these tires to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcjonessnp175
    Question, were did you mount your helmet cam for this FOV. Looks good i have a contour hd and been experimenting trying to find similiar to what your view is. Thanks ahead of time, also im stationed in germany picking up some mavic crossmax st wheelset tommorrow and hopefully these tires to.

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    Hey Jonesy,

    I have a GoPro chesty mount. So the camera is sitting on my beer gut while I ride

    I'm not sure you can mount a contour that way just because of it's shape, but maybe? I'd love to try those wheels as well but $$$$$$
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay
    Just got back from another ride. I set them at 32psi this time (I'm 230 with gear). They really are a too-good-to-be-true tire so far. The sidewalls still feel super consistent and so does the traction. So far, my favorite tire ever.

    To answer jimarin:
    Tire A : 784g
    Tire B : 791g
    Hi,
    What rims do you have these on?
    I just ordered some Flow rims and thought I'd try something besides a Nevegal tire..
    I've been running standard 2.35 Nevegals (710 grams!) ghetto tubeless w/ no problems. Been looking for a tire w/ a tougher sidewall ... this might be it.

    Can you compare the rolling resistance w/ the Nevegal?

    thanks for the post.

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    client, I'd say they roll a bazillion times faster than the Nevegal... but most tires do XT wheelset.
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    Hans Damf vs 2.4 NN

    Is the extra 100 grams worth it for the Hans? Any ideas of the size difference? Going to get one of these as a front with a 2.25 NN on rear.

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    Well, rode them on my Nomad Carbon 1x10 today in super duper Pacific NW downpour weather. The kind where trails are mini streams. The lower knob height than the Muddy Mary means they don't quite dig in enough and spin a little bit here and there. Actually still pretty darn good in the rain/mud but if you are going to be riding them in mud all winter, the Muddy Mary would definately be better. Way better than a Nevegal 2.35, Mountain King 2.4, or Weirwolf 2.3 tire though.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Upset Out of stock

    The only place I can find these in stock is directly from Schwalbe.

    They are listed for much less money on a couple of online dealers (but not in stock)

    Anyone know where to buy these for ~$70 ...... not $90 !

    thanks.

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    Can't... resist... urge... to... buy...

    Damn it, Clayton! I've been wanting to try these tires out and your review has pushed me over the edge. I'm currently running a Mountain King 2.4 front (protection version set up tubeless) and a Nevegal 2.1 UST rear, so hopefully these will hook up and roll even better.
    Out of curiosity, what do you run for a rear tire?

    Client_9, I'm going to order mine from bikebling.com. I've ordered from them before, and although they're one of the online bike shops with nothing in stock, I usually get my orders within a week. Totally worth it, especially when you use the "realdeal" coupon code for an additional 10% off...

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by emptyvoxel
    Damn it, Clayton! I've been wanting to try these tires out and your review has pushed me over the edge. I'm currently running a Mountain King 2.4 front (protection version set up tubeless) and a Nevegal 2.1 UST rear, so hopefully these will hook up and roll even better.
    Out of curiosity, what do you run for a rear tire?

    Client_9, I'm going to order mine from bikebling.com. I've ordered from them before, and although they're one of the online bike shops with nothing in stock, I usually get my orders within a week. Totally worth it, especially when you use the "realdeal" coupon code for an additional 10% off...

    Cheers,
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    Yeah, bikebling is good. stimulus also works for a discount.

    I'm running the HD ft and rr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emptyvoxel
    Damn it, Clayton! I've been wanting to try these tires out and your review has pushed me over the edge. I'm currently running a Mountain King 2.4 front (protection version set up tubeless) and a Nevegal 2.1 UST rear, so hopefully these will hook up and roll even better.
    Out of curiosity, what do you run for a rear tire?

    Client_9, I'm going to order mine from bikebling.com. I've ordered from them before, and although they're one of the online bike shops with nothing in stock, I usually get my orders within a week. Totally worth it, especially when you use the "realdeal" coupon code for an additional 10% off...

    Cheers,
    Michael
    i ordered some pads and gloves from them and it took like a week and half for them to process and ship the order? not a knock on them but i was kinda surprised because they have a rep of shipping stuff fast.

    anyway clay, hd front and rear? how do you like it on the back?

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    Just got a pair of hans dampfs today. About the easiest tires I've ever set up tubeless - put them on some flow wheels. I didn't even spin it to distribute the sealant. Put the tire on, dumped sealant in, aired up. Could have mounted these with a floor pump I'll bet.

    The tires weighed in at 783 and 785 grams.

    I haven't ridden them on a trail yet but they have a burly feel to the sidewall and big knobs. Smaller casing than the fat alberts or the nobby nics. Next stop, moab.

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    Just got mine...

    ...and I'm pretty excited! How can they feel so burly and weigh so little? And they seem to have the perfect knob height and distribution. This is the tire I've been waiting for all these years.

    And I got them at bikebling.com. They told me when I ordered them that they are selling out before they even arrive. Hmmm, maybe I should hoard them.
    Like half of everything I ride comes out of Jenson. Figure that out.

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    The cornering is absolutely amazing. It has to be the slow rebound rubber - they just seem to grip every last little pebble, yet roll very fast. The only bad thing about them is that when it's really greasy from mud they slide around a bit. But hey, these are my summer tires.

    Also, I've found that 32psi is the sweet spot for me between traction and compliance. When I go down around 30psi they start to wallow a little and fold over in the corner, when I go above they just feel a little over inflated and deflect off of things a little more.

    The new Weirwolfs had the floppiest sidewalls I've ever ridden tubeless. First I tried the TCS version and had to run 40 psi but the sidewalls still felt funky. Then I went with the UST and found them to be good around 36-38 psi. Any less and they wanted to fold over and wallow.

    I know some of you guys run really low pressure in the 20's but I'm around 225lbs without gear. I can't imagine going much lower unless a tire had a DH casing.
    "It looks flexy"

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    ride report

    Believe the hype! These tires grip on everything.

    I'm 210lbs on a Nomad .... aggressively riding lots of rocks and roots.

    Don't be afraid to run these at lower pressures ... that's when they really perform.

    I have mine on Stan's Flow rims @ 28 psi rear tire / 26 psi front.


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    Rode about 40 miles past week mostly on dry conditions I also run them on a Stan's Flow @ about 28psi and they feel very solid the grip is superb and the light weight is a big +.
    time will tell if they are THE tire to have but so far they are better then my Minion's and Nevegal's I guess I will have to wait for the winter to see if they are really the "Jack of all Trades"
    Happy Trails.

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    These sound awesome, its funny its a german tire and thier not released yet here in germany bummer. Well moving back to states in june july time frame so ill pick them up then. Im very impressed with schwalbe tires, im running nobby nic ust front and back on the mavic crossmax st wheelset perfect for were im at in germany they roll fast and grip great to.

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    Brand new Hans Dampf after 3 days in moab. Yikes! Looks like these aren't ideal rear tires for the desert.

    Good news is the front is still looking like a new tire. Grip is good. They do roll slower than the fat alberts that were on there before, but then those were about worn out and there wasn't much tread left on them.
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    Dude, that's slickrock for you. Anytime I head out there, forst thing I do is find an old worn-out tire and stick it on the back. Anything else is just pissing money away.
    Like half of everything I ride comes out of Jenson. Figure that out.

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    Yep. I haven't ridden in Moab for over a decade but it seems like any thing out back would be OK. Looks like you have a great tire for next time you go now
    "It looks flexy"

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    Any more updates, gentlemen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansible
    Brand new Hans Dampf after 3 days in moab. Yikes! Looks like these aren't ideal rear tires for the desert.

    Good news is the front is still looking like a new tire. Grip is good. They do roll slower than the fat alberts that were on there before, but then those were about worn out and there wasn't much tread left on them.
    Wonder if the hot combo will be the front specific Fat Albert with a Hans Dampf for the rear? Or will the HD corner better than the FA front?

    Have FUN!

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    Not too many available, tried ordering today and Canadian distributor is out, must not have got many in first order.

    Bike Bling to the rescue, and for a great price. They still have a bunch left so get on it quick!

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    It was a dark and stormy night...

    ...and the local crew was assembled for the regular weekly night ride. It had rained and snowed all day, and the prospect of riding looked grim. A few of us were actually starting to make excuses not to ride, and besides, we had beer, so really we didn't absolutely HAVE to ride, but the decision was made. We went out and made the best of it.

    Riding my trusty El Guapo, I had the new Hans Dampf mounted out front with a Michelin DH24AT rear, both mounted tubeless with Stans. In an area known for slippery rocks, these tires stuck like glue. Everytime I came too fast into a corner, I just laid it down and it was like being on a rail. FAR superior to the Minions and the Nevegals that I've been riding the past couple of years, and light enough to throw up front on my Carbon X.

    Believe the hype!
    Like half of everything I ride comes out of Jenson. Figure that out.

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    Yup the Trailstar compound is awesome. In Maine we have tons of roots and rocks all over the trails and these tires grip on them so well when they are slick. So worth the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by client_9
    Believe the hype! These tires grip on everything.

    Ditto. These tires roll well, and after a damp, fast ride today it was easy to see how great these tires really are. I upgraded from a 2.4 Ardent on the front, and a 2.35 sticky Nev. on the rear. The sticky Nevegal never really did loose traction climbing anywhere, but it didn't roll worth a damn, so I can sacrifice the occasional half-pedal stroke spin every now and again. Something that I did notice today was how much farther I can lean the bike over through long, non-banked turns, and I think that the transition knobs have a lot to do with that.

    The Ardent is a very good tire, especially on the front, and although I liked the grip, the Hans Dampf seems to be more consistent. It's the Schwalbe 'Cats Meow' for me right now! Great tire!

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    i am so sad, that the hans dampf isnīt available here in germany...

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryhb
    i am so sad, that the hans dampf isnīt available here in germany...
    with enough $$$, anything is possible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansible
    Brand new Hans Dampf after 3 days in moab. Yikes! Looks like these aren't ideal rear tires for the desert.

    Good news is the front is still looking like a new tire. Grip is good. They do roll slower than the fat alberts that were on there before, but then those were about worn out and there wasn't much tread left on them.
    It looks to me like you have your rear over inflated or don't lean much. My side knobs always have a bunch of wear even at 32 to 38 psi. Just curious what you run.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay
    It looks to me like you have your rear over inflated or don't lean much. My side knobs always have a bunch of wear even at 32 to 38 psi. Just curious what you run.
    I think I'm buying into the 'slickrock destroys tires' theory. I don't know how that information escaped me so far in my trips out to moab, but in hindsight it does make sense. In the past I've either had worn tires to begin with or I have noticed a lot of wear but thought that was just how the tire was. Sucks to shred a new tire to that extent in 3 days. The front still looks new at least.

    Anyway I was running 25 lbs in both front and rear on that trip, and yeah I'm sure I spent more time upright than leaned since I ended up doing some long dirt road sections to get to the goods. There was also a lot of slickrock climbing, on amasa and gold bar rim and etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay
    It looks to me like you have your rear over inflated or don't lean much. My side knobs always have a bunch of wear even at 32 to 38 psi. Just curious what you run.
    That looks like locking out rear when braking. Center knob front lip teared off.

    Yeah, slickrock and tall knobs are not the best mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe
    That looks like locking out rear when braking. Center knob front lip teared off.

    Yeah, slickrock and tall knobs are not the best mix.
    What is good there these days, small block 8? Hans Dampf aren't all that tall a knob, BTW.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay
    What is good there these days, small block 8? Hans Dampf aren't all that tall a knob, BTW.
    Whatever is cheap and on sale, I would guess. It all hooks up well enough. I just commented on how the damage looks like.

    I usually rent there, so I did not care.

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    mounted mine up tonight. tubeless on havens. went on without a hitch. (and im a tubeless newb)

    weights: 795, 815 (ouch). sidewall is significanly tougher and thicker than nevegals compared side byside.
    width measured with digital caliper: 2.35 at the sidewall, 2.4x at the knobs. pretty much the same width as a 2.35 nevegal maybe just a teeny hair smaller. took pics to compare if anyone wants to see. this is not a small tire, not sure why anyone would complain about the width unless you are looking for a DH tire.

    should get them out in the mountains next week to really give them a workout.
    The mountains are calling and I must go

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    Received mine today as well. ( Thanks Chad!! )
    Not yet mounted, but did weight them.
    765 for one and 780 for the other.

    I am replacing some Conti MK Prot 2.4. I keep ending up on the ground with them, so have been running a BB on rear and a MM up front for trail rides. Makes you strong like Bull. ( or hack up a lung at the top of a climb - not too sure on which is actual reality - maybe dumb like Bull? )

    Anyway looking forward to getting them mounted and tried out - now only in the weather would co-operate. No more rain - please!!!

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    any side by side comparisons with the muddy mary 2.35 or fat albert 2.4 in the trail star compound?

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    good news for europe:
    hans dampf will be announced on the eurobike

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    786 and 820g for the pair I received today. Can't wait to get on them, too bad it'll be a while with all the wet/snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycra Matt View Post
    Dude, that's slickrock for you. Anytime I head out there, forst thing I do is find an old worn-out tire and stick it on the back. Anything else is just pissing money away.
    Yep. Once I destroyed a brand new set of 3C Ardents at Gooseberry and Moab in I week. The rear was almost totally bald by time I got home.

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    dirty bike, clean tires

    The mountains are calling and I must go

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    Anyone gone from wicked will's to these tires? Looking to drop a bit of weight and it's going to be either these or 2.3 NN for the next tire.

    Ride in WV in the red clay and dead leaves here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Anyone gone from wicked will's to these tires? Looking to drop a bit of weight and it's going to be either these or 2.3 NN for the next tire.

    Ride in WV in the red clay and dead leaves here.
    Not me but send me your wicked wills and I'll wear them down to the nub....
    "It looks flexy"

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