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    Roval questions?

    Hey everyone, Roval Joe here.

    I manage the Roval MTB wheel program (maybe the coolest wheels you have never heard of) and I am super excited to talk wheels, rims, spokes, spacing, carbon, really anything, with you guys. Let me know if you have some questions, feedback, or ideas. Thanks!

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    If you are going to change the rim, you will want to know the ERD of the Crest as the spoke lengths will be different. Thanks!

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    Are the rims available separately? If so, what's the price and weight for 29" Traverse rims?

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    Good question. Roval was founded on, and continues to be, a "systems approach" idea. The rims are strong and light, the spokes & hubs high-quality, (all laced and trued by hand), and all the pieces are built to work together to make a better wheel. So we don't sell them separately to keep the system intact.

    If there is an issue with any piece though, like a rim or even a bearing or nipple, replacements are available through warranty.

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    Roval questions?

    Can you discuss the rim profiling, specifically are the "tubeless" rims compliant with the ERTRO tubeless standard? If not, can you say what tubeless standard they are following and what tubeless tires they are compatible with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    Good question. Roval was founded on, and continues to be, a "systems approach" idea. The rims are strong and light, the spokes & hubs high-quality, (all laced and trued by hand), and all the pieces are built to work together to make a better wheel. So we don't sell them separately to keep the system intact.

    If there is an issue with any piece though, like a rim or even a bearing or nipple, replacements are available through warranty.
    Firstly, thank you for posting here at mtbr.com. I also tried to answer questions and assist with warranty issues for my former employer before they put the brakes on it.

    I understand your company's position on the Roval "systems approach", and I don't necessarily disagree. But I too would like to see a rim-only option since hub selection can be a very personal choice. For example, I have a trail bike with a 150mm rear end, and so a Roval wheelset for that bike is not an option.

    So if you'll humor me, here are my questions regarding the Roval Carbon wheelsets:

    1) I congratulate you on using a "bead hook-less" rim design on the Roval control wheelset. Are there plans to transfer this rim design over to the Carbon Roval Traverse 29 SL wheelset?

    2) The external rim widths are listed as the following:
    29 Roval Control Carbon - 27mm external
    29 Roval Traverse Carbon - 28mm external
    Since the rim's internal width is arguably the more important dimension, why not list them also? And can you share them here?

    3) What are the bead shelf diameters for the rims listed above (with rim tape)?

    4) Both wheelsets have a rider weight limit of 240 lbs. What considerations are taken into account to arrive at this number?

    5) As I'm sure you've discovered, the beads of UST and 'tubeless ready' tires from different manufacturers vary, more than most people realize. Does Specialized perform "bead unseat" testing using tires from every manufacturer? If yes, what information, if any, can you share from this testing?
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    Any chance to get a 2010 Roval AL rear wheel for my Specialized Enduro Pro? My hub blew up and the rim is pretty beat up. I have been looking for months for a replacement to match the front wheel, which is in great shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDMC View Post
    Can you discuss the rim profiling, specifically are the "tubeless" rims compliant with the ERTRO tubeless standard? If not, can you say what tubeless standard they are following and what tubeless tires they are compatible with?
    CDMC, are you asking if the rims are UST tubeless standard? if so, no they are not to this standard. As far as rim profiling, in general terms, the rims are compatible with "tubeless ready" settups like Specialized 2Bliss tires, in that they have a drop center in the rim bed to help seat tires that have a tubeless ready bead and sealant. Once inflated, the tire beads pop up out of the drop center and onto the "shoulders" of the rim bed and against the inside sidewall of the rim. Also, the rim bed is drilled for conventional spoke installation, so our tubeless ready rim strip, or tape would be necessary to seal also. Of course Roval rims are compatible with all Specialized 2Bliss tires, and people are also mounting up many other brands of tubeless (UST style), or tubeless ready style tires. Hope this is what you are looking for, let me know if you still are unsure of anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    Firstly, thank you for posting here at mtbr.com. I also tried to answer questions and assist with warranty issues for my former employer before they put the brakes on it.

    I understand your company's position on the Roval "systems approach", and I don't necessarily disagree. But I too would like to see a rim-only option since hub selection can be a very personal choice. For example, I have a trail bike with a 150mm rear end, and so a Roval wheelset for that bike is not an option.

    So if you'll humor me, here are my questions regarding the Roval Carbon wheelsets:

    1) I congratulate you on using a "bead hook-less" rim design on the Roval control wheelset. Are there plans to transfer this rim design over to the Carbon Roval Traverse 29 SL wheelset?

    2) The external rim widths are listed as the following:
    29 Roval Control Carbon - 27mm external
    29 Roval Traverse Carbon - 28mm external
    Since the rim's internal width is arguably the more important dimension, why not list them also? And can you share them here?

    3) What are the bead shelf diameters for the rims listed above (with rim tape)?

    4) Both wheelsets have a rider weight limit of 240 lbs. What considerations are taken into account to arrive at this number?

    5) As I'm sure you've discovered, the beads of UST and 'tubeless ready' tires from different manufacturers vary, more than most people realize. Does Specialized perform "bead unseat" testing using tires from every manufacturer? If yes, what information, if any, can you share from this testing?

    bholwell- let's see if I can answer everything here:
    1) Thanks. Actually Traverse 29 already has the hookless design also. The 26" Traverse SL has a traditional hooked design because we started developing that rim way before the 29" version, and it was basically done when went down the no hook path. You'll notice Traverse 29 SL rim looks very similar in shape to the Control 29 Carbon rim, and that's because they come from the same mold, but with two completely different layups (the orientation and quantity of carbon fiber layers in the rim) and different types of carbon. The result is the Traverse 29 SL rims are stiffer and even more impact resistant than Control 29 Carbon rims. The reason why we didn't just use the exact same rim is because the wheels are intended for two different experiences.
    2) You are quite correct, and I'm trying to get our literature changed to reflect inner rim width. I think there must be a typo somewhere that you are reading since both rims have the same dimensions (outside/inside rim width). Both rims are 22mm inner width. I'll get a complete list of inner rim widths for our current lineup and post here shortly for everyone's reference.
    3)Shelf diameter (including rim strip) is 622.5mm
    4)I'm not at liberty to share exactly what is used to come up with this figure, but I can tell you that it is a standard we use for all Specialized carbon components.
    5)Yes, and this was a big concern for us with the new hookless design!! We have a tire blow off testing machine at our office that the tire development team uses, and we used this for starters just to prove out the hookless rims with Specialized tires. Once we were confident there, we did a lot of testing with every major brand of tires to make sure customers weren't going to have issues. However, I think that you may be asking if we specifically set up every brand of tubeless tire on our rims, in a tubeless configuration? While we have not set up every brand of tubeless tire on our rims, we have set up a lot, and have not had trouble. As described in an earlier post, these are not UST rims, and do require our tubeless ready rim strip, or tape to complete a tubeless settup.

    hope this helps with your questions, let me know if I missed something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgman25 View Post
    Any chance to get a 2010 Roval AL rear wheel for my Specialized Enduro Pro? My hub blew up and the rim is pretty beat up. I have been looking for months for a replacement to match the front wheel, which is in great shape.
    Hey Dawgman2- your best bet would be to contact our customer service department to see if they have any, but I'm guessing you probably have done this already if you've been looking for months?

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    2013 Roval Technical Info

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    Here's a quick reference tool that shows all internal/external rim widths, plus compatibility, spoke spec, etc, for all current wheels in the Roval Mtn lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    bholwell- let's see if I can answer everything here:
    1) Thanks. Actually Traverse 29 already has the hookless design also. The 26" Traverse SL has a traditional hooked design because we started developing that rim way before the 29" version, and it was basically done when went down the no hook path. You'll notice Traverse 29 SL rim looks very similar in shape to the Control 29 Carbon rim, and that's because they come from the same mold, but with two completely different layups (the orientation and quantity of carbon fiber layers in the rim) and different types of carbon. The result is the Traverse 29 SL rims are stiffer and even more impact resistant than Control 29 Carbon rims. The reason why we didn't just use the exact same rim is because the wheels are intended for two different experiences.
    2) You are quite correct, and I'm trying to get our literature changed to reflect inner rim width. I think there must be a typo somewhere that you are reading since both rims have the same dimensions (outside/inside rim width). Both rims are 22mm inner width. I'll get a complete list of inner rim widths for our current lineup and post here shortly for everyone's reference.
    3)Shelf diameter (including rim strip) is 622.5mm
    4)I'm not at liberty to share exactly what is used to come up with this figure, but I can tell you that it is a standard we use for all Specialized carbon components.
    5)Yes, and this was a big concern for us with the new hookless design!! We have a tire blow off testing machine at our office that the tire development team uses, and we used this for starters just to prove out the hookless rims with Specialized tires. Once we were confident there, we did a lot of testing with every major brand of tires to make sure customers weren't going to have issues. However, I think that you may be asking if we specifically set up every brand of tubeless tire on our rims, in a tubeless configuration? While we have not set up every brand of tubeless tire on our rims, we have set up a lot, and have not had trouble. As described in an earlier post, these are not UST rims, and do require our tubeless ready rim strip, or tape to complete a tubeless settup.

    hope this helps with your questions, let me know if I missed something?
    Joe, thank you very much for answering my questions. Yes, take a look at your website; different external widths are listed for the carbon Roval Control and Traverse rims. And the Traverse rims have no mention on the "hookless" design.

    In regards to the tire testing (question #5) I did not mean 'blow-off' or hydrostatic burst testing. I meant 'bead unseat' testing, in which a lateral force is applied to the inflated tire's sidewall. Displacement is increased at a constant rate until the bead is forced inward off of the bead seat shelf and pressure is lost; the resultant max force is recorded. This gives a good idea as to how likely a tire is to "burp" or lose air pressure while cornering hard or landing a jump sideways. There is an ASTM standard for testing LT/P/Temp spare tires (http://www.astm.org/Standards/F2663.htm); several large ATV and Motorcycle manufacturers also require this testing. I believe that such testing can help improve mountain bike rim and tire design. Third party companies like STL should be able to provide bead unseat testing.
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    My son has a set of 29 Control and has the current 9mm QR adapters 28MMS125900001. I bought a 15mm thru-axle fork and want to know the part numbers for the 15mm thru-axle adapters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    Joe, thank you very much for answering my questions. Yes, take a look at your website; different external widths are listed for the carbon Roval Control and Traverse rims. And the Traverse rims have no mention on the "hookless" design.

    In regards to the tire testing (question #5) I did not mean 'blow-off' or hydrostatic burst testing. I meant 'bead unseat' testing, in which a lateral force is applied to the inflated tire's sidewall. Displacement is increased at a constant rate until the bead is forced inward off of the bead seat shelf and pressure is lost; the resultant max force is recorded. This gives a good idea as to how likely a tire is to "burp" or lose air pressure while cornering hard or landing a jump sideways. There is an ASTM standard for testing LT/P/Temp spare tires (http://www.astm.org/Standards/F2663.htm); several large ATV and Motorcycle manufacturers also require this testing. I believe that such testing can help improve mountain bike rim and tire design. Third party companies like STL should be able to provide bead unseat testing.
    BHolwell- no problem! thanks for pointing out the discrepancy, I'll try to get the web guys to correct this soon. One of the reasons we started this thread: to get correct information to people in a quick manner.

    Ok, I understand what you are talking about with the "bead unseat" testing now. We are actually working on this test or maybe a slight variation of it with our tire team right now. So to answer your question, no, we did not do this in development of the current product. All the burp testing we did was back to back testing on the trail with different pressures, and this was with Specialized tires. The hookless rims have been in the market since August of 2012, and so far we're not getting complaints about other manufacturer's tires working in tubeless. To your point though, product can always be improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwick37 View Post
    My son has a set of 29 Control and has the current 9mm QR adapters 28MMS125900001. I bought a 15mm thru-axle fork and want to know the part numbers for the 15mm thru-axle adapters?
    Dwick37- I believe you are talking about the Control 29 alloy wheelset, correct? if so, part# for 15mm end caps is S125900011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    CDMC, are you asking if the rims are UST tubeless standard? if so, no they are not to this standard. As far as rim profiling, in general terms, the rims are compatible with "tubeless ready" settups like Specialized 2Bliss tires, in that they have a drop center in the rim bed to help seat tires that have a tubeless ready bead and sealant. Once inflated, the tire beads pop up out of the drop center and onto the "shoulders" of the rim bed and against the inside sidewall of the rim. Also, the rim bed is drilled for conventional spoke installation, so our tubeless ready rim strip, or tape would be necessary to seal also. Of course Roval rims are compatible with all Specialized 2Bliss tires, and people are also mounting up many other brands of tubeless (UST style), or tubeless ready style tires. Hope this is what you are looking for, let me know if you still are unsure of anything?
    UST is the Mavic trade name for the ERTRO standard. So based on your description is not. The ERTRO standard has a step down shelf on the rim bed to help lock the tire in place, and it sounds like the Roval wheels don't have that. Do they otherwise use the same bead seat diameter and wall height as a ERTRO compliant rim? How do they keep the tire locked in place?

    It might be helpful if you can post a profile picture of the rim with dimensions like the one I am attaching below (FOR ANYONE READING, THE DRAWING BELOW IS NOT OF THE ROVAL). As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

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    Hey Joe,
    Maybe you can clear this one up for me. Are the new Carbon 29 Control front hubs 20mm compatible? I understand they come stock with the 9mm QR and 15mm end caps. Most reviews I've read say the 20mm caps can be ordered directly from Specialized, but two local shops I've inquired with have told me that is not the case and only the Trail version has 20mm compatiblity. Can you clarify this? If 20mm caps are available for the wheels could you get me a part number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    2013_technical_info.pdf

    Here's a quick reference tool that shows all internal/external rim widths, plus compatibility, spoke spec, etc, for all current wheels in the Roval Mtn lineup.
    Nice, that was very helpful. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripn View Post
    Hey Joe,
    Maybe you can clear this one up for me. Are the new Carbon 29 Control front hubs 20mm compatible? I understand they come stock with the 9mm QR and 15mm end caps. Most reviews I've read say the 20mm caps can be ordered directly from Specialized, but two local shops I've inquired with have told me that is not the case and only the Trail version has 20mm compatiblity. Can you clarify this? If 20mm caps are available for the wheels could you get me a part number?
    Hey Ripn- the new Control 29 Carbon wheels are indeed 20mm thru axle compatible. Our goal was to keep these as affordable as possible, and figured that most forks were going to 15mm, so we did not include them. With all of our wheels, sometimes shops can get confused about what is compatible with what. Any specialized dealer can order 20mm end caps for these wheels, part# is S125900003 (this is both caps).

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    Joe,
    Any plans for Roval on ever manufacturing 9/10 mm RWS end caps for the Control SL ? Many thanks for your contribution!

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    Great thread! Thanks for posting this, Joe.

    Any chance that owners of older Roval wheelsets with aluminum rims could send them in to be upgraded to the carbon rims?

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    You can get 135x10 RWS end caps for the rear hub simply buy purchasing the DT Swiss caps for the 240s hubs. I have two sets of Roval wheels set up in this way.

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    What about front? I would like to purchase 100x9 RWS caps for my Roval Control SL wheels. Is this the same as DT240s 9mm RWS caps? I was told that they weren't.

    Also if I want to convert my 142+ rear hub to XX1 I was told that I need the Roval freehub and not the DT freehub. Is this correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    Hey Ripn- the new Control 29 Carbon wheels are indeed 20mm thru axle compatible. Our goal was to keep these as affordable as possible, and figured that most forks were going to 15mm, so we did not include them. With all of our wheels, sometimes shops can get confused about what is compatible with what. Any specialized dealer can order 20mm end caps for these wheels, part# is S125900003 (this is both caps).
    Thanks for the info, thats good news. Just a heads up, both shops I checked with called Specialized directly and were obviously given bad information. Might want to check in with your customer service folks and make sure they know these wheels will work with the 20mm axle. Thanks again for the conformation...time to start saving my pennies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    What about front? I would like to purchase 100x9 RWS caps for my Roval Control SL wheels. Is this the same as DT240s 9mm RWS caps? I was told that they weren't.
    That is correct. The rear hub can take DT Swiss end caps. Front hub has Roval specific caps.

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    me too! i have a 2010 sw stumpy which gets wonky wheels way too much.
    would love to get carbon rims swapped out for the alum.. seems like
    i could even use same spokes but would'nt mind having to replace those if not
    compatible. we paid alot for our specialized bikes and an upgrade
    doesnt seem to be too unreasonable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbwrider View Post
    me too! i have a 2010 sw stumpy which gets wonky wheels way too much.
    would love to get carbon rims swapped out for the alum.. seems like
    i could even use same spokes but would'nt mind having to replace those if not
    compatible. we paid alot for our specialized bikes and an upgrade
    doesnt seem to be too unreasonable...
    AOK & mtbwrider- understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately we're not set up to do this, as it would require a rebuild with new spokes (lengths are different). We have people to service wheels at our service centers, but we'd have to stock loads of spokes and rims, not to mention more people just to build wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDMC View Post
    UST is the Mavic trade name for the ERTRO standard. So based on your description is not. The ERTRO standard has a step down shelf on the rim bed to help lock the tire in place, and it sounds like the Roval wheels don't have that. Do they otherwise use the same bead seat diameter and wall height as a ERTRO compliant rim? How do they keep the tire locked in place?

    It might be helpful if you can post a profile picture of the rim with dimensions like the one I am attaching below (FOR ANYONE READING, THE DRAWING BELOW IS NOT OF THE ROVAL). As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

    Thanks

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    CDMC- Sorry for missing this yesterday. Ok, understand what you are getting at now. Yes, our rims have a "step down shelf" as you put it. Let me grab one of our profile dimensions and post it a little later so you can see. Thanks for your patience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    What about front? I would like to purchase 100x9 RWS caps for my Roval Control SL wheels. Is this the same as DT240s 9mm RWS caps? I was told that they weren't.

    Also if I want to convert my 142+ rear hub to XX1 I was told that I need the Roval freehub and not the DT freehub. Is this correct?
    tooclosetos- AOK is correct about the rear end caps. Regarding the front, Roval front hubs have their own end caps, not shared wtih DT designs. While we make QR end caps that would work with DT RWS 5mm skewers, we don't make end caps for the 9mm axle system up front. We do understand there are customers out there that like this system, but we decided against it when we designed the hubs, and now with most fork manufacturers migrating to 15mm thru, we'll probably not go back and design 9mm end caps.

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    Hey Everyone,
    We have been getting questions regarding Roval and XX1 compatibility, so I thought I'd post some info regarding this.
    - All MY2012 and 2013 Roval mtn wheels are XX1 compatible, and for prior years, all Roval wheel models using DT 350 or 240 based rear hubs are compatible also. Basically everything except "AL" models which used the 370 based rear hub, which we quit using for model year 2012.
    - there are 3 freehub kits for Roval wheels depending on which configuration you want to use. The freehub body itself is the same in each kit, however, the end cap is specific to the freehub. Configurations are 135mm QR, 142/12mm thru axle, and 142+/12mm thru axle.
    - Specialized part numbers for these kits are as follows:

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    Sorry for my amateur posting skills. To continue:
    - 135mm QR: S132100003
    - 142/12mm thru: S132100004
    - 142+/12mm thru: S132100005

    these are available thru our service center. For customers who want to buy elsewhere, you can purchase the 135mm QR and 142/12mm thru kits thru QBP or other avenues as they are exactly the same as you'd use on a standard DT 350 or 240 hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdmc View Post
    ust is the mavic trade name for the ertro standard. So based on your description is not. The ertro standard has a step down shelf on the rim bed to help lock the tire in place, and it sounds like the roval wheels don't have that. Do they otherwise use the same bead seat diameter and wall height as a ertro compliant rim? How do they keep the tire locked in place?

    It might be helpful if you can post a profile picture of the rim with dimensions like the one i am attaching below (for anyone reading, the drawing below is not of the roval). As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

    Thanks

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    cdmc- attached is a non dimensioned drawing of our hookless rim for your reference
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    could you also officially tell me if 142+ roval wheels fit
    135mm q/r frame on my 2010 sw stumpy (and other 135 rear frames)?

    since i have to buy a COMPLETE new set of wheels to get carbon rims
    im looking at a used 142+ wheelset. the owner said it works on his older
    q/r 135 rear bike....

    Im familiar with this spesh schematic on rear hubs:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/attachments/s...sexplained.jpg

    also would like to know how warranty works(or doesnt) on buying
    used specialized wheels and parts.. thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbwrider View Post
    could you also officially tell me if 142+ roval wheels fit
    135mm q/r frame on my 2010 sw stumpy (and other 135 rear frames)?

    since i have to buy a COMPLETE new set of wheels to get carbon rims
    im looking at a used 142+ wheelset. the owner said it works on his older
    q/r 135 rear bike....

    Im familiar with this spesh schematic on rear hubs:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/attachments/s...sexplained.jpg

    also would like to know how warranty works(or doesnt) on buying
    used specialized wheels and parts.. thanks!
    mtbwrider- regarding whether you can use a 142+ wheel on a 135mm frame, physically, it is possible. If you put 135mm end caps on this hub, it changes the hub width to 137mm, which you can still fit into some frames. I can't recommend doing this since the frame is actually designed for 135mm, and I can't claim to know what the effects of this would be.

    I'm not sure I follow you regarding buying used parts from warranty. If you mean, can a consumer purchase used parts through our warranty department, then no, they don't sell parts like this. Of course consumers can go to a shop and purchase service parts for wheels, but these are not used.

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    oh that makes sense! thanks joe!
    about the warranty, i was more wondering if
    i have a manufacturer defect with my used carbon wheels,
    will spesh possibly cover it? thanks again!

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    cdmc- attached is a non dimensioned drawing of our hookless rim for your reference
    Thanks. I have no idea how they retain tires properly with no hooks. Clearly they work as many people are using them and quiet happy, but I don't get. Paging Shiggy.
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    So that everyone knows what were'r talking about I've inserted the rim cross section.

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    It is not the bead hook that keeps a tire on a rim, rather it's the pressure that keeps the tire bead on the bead seat. The tire bead diameter is smaller than the diameter at the edge of the rim. The tire bead would have to stretch substantially to pop off the rim. I've had a UST tire blow off a Mavic UST rim because the bead was stretched. The tire manufacturer replaced the tire. We all know how hooked the bead of a UST rim is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDMC View Post
    Thanks. I have no idea how they retain tires properly with no hooks. Clearly they work as many people are using them and quiet happy, but I don't get. Paging Shiggy.
    CDMC- Ronnie is correct. Just like car tires, motorcycle tires, and even beach cruiser tires back in the day (steel rolled rims made years ago) stay on the rim without any bead hooks. Kevlar or steel beads are relatively inflexible, so for the bead to come up over the sidewall, it would have to stretch quite a bit (which it won't, barring any catastrophic failure), OR, if during a turn, the bead was pushed down into the drop center, this could cause the bead to start to come over the sidewall a bit (like burping your tire).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbwrider View Post
    oh that makes sense! thanks joe!
    about the warranty, i was more wondering if
    i have a manufacturer defect with my used carbon wheels,
    will spesh possibly cover it? thanks again!
    mtbwrider- ah, ok, got it. Warranty for wheels applies to the original owner, and not transfered when they are sold. I believe this is pretty standard for most bikes, wheels, components, regardless the manufacturer. That being said, for a carbon wheel, if there were a manufacturing defect (molding issue with the rim, etc), usually this is found fairly quickly, so if the previous owner put some time on the wheels, the problem hopefully would have surfaced already. Obviously this isn't going to be the case with every wheel.

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    Joe -

    The Specialized site still shows the new Control Carbon 29 wheels as "coming soon". Any idea when these wheels will be in stock?

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    Joe -

    The Specialized site still shows the new Control Carbon 29 wheels as "coming soon". Any idea when these wheels will be in stock?
    AOK- The next shipment should be here the last week in April. Sorry for the lag on these. Are the dealers in your area out of stock also, or were you just planning on buying them from our website?

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    Joe,

    I was going to purchase a set of Roval Control Carbon 29 wheels to go on my Scott Scale 910 but evidently they don't come with the 142 10mm end caps. Is that correct? What can I do to remedy this problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney.Sanders View Post
    Joe,

    I was going to purchase a set of Roval Control Carbon 29 wheels to go on my Scott Scale 910 but evidently they don't come with the 142 10mm end caps. Is that correct? What can I do to remedy this problem?
    Stoney.Sanders- Are you sure your Scale has 142 x 10mm droppouts? I'm not an expert on Scott bikes, but looked at their website, and could find no info that specifies what the dropouts are, but the photos looked like 135mm QR dropouts. If this is the case, and you are running a 135 x 10mm thru axle, then you can do one of two things to make the Control Carbon wheel work. 1) use the wheel as it comes with 135mm QR, it would fit right into your frame (Assuming I am correct about the dropouts), or 2) buy the DT conversion end caps to convert the Roval hub to 135 x 10mm thru. The DT Swiss part# is:HWGXXX0001803S. The Roval rear hub is manufactured by DT Swiss and is based on their 350 hub design. You can find out more info about rear hub compatibility here: DT Swiss - Conversion kits . Hope this helps, but if you have further questions, let me know.

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    Hi Joe,
    Iíve just got a 2013 Stumpy FSR EVO comp with the new hi-lo hubs etc. After a few rides both the front and back have some play in them, are there any guides on these wheels?
    Thanks, Tim.

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    Roval questions?

    Does specialized have any plans to offer a non proprietary carbon rim? I understand the pros and cons of a proprietary wheel system. But I think it would gain you more customers and profits if you offered a non proprietary carbon rim that could be lace with your hub of choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyt View Post
    Hi Joe,
    Iíve just got a 2013 Stumpy FSR EVO comp with the new hi-lo hubs etc. After a few rides both the front and back have some play in them, are there any guides on these wheels?
    Thanks, Tim.
    timmyt- the OE wheels you are talking about are sealed cartridge bearings, and have no adjustments. If you've only got a few rides on them and they are loose, definitely get back to the shop and have them get it sorted through customer service. They shouldn't be worn out that soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vapezilla View Post
    Does specialized have any plans to offer a non proprietary carbon rim? I understand the pros and cons of a proprietary wheel system. But I think it would gain you more customers and profits if you offered a non proprietary carbon rim that could be lace with your hub of choice
    vapezilla- At this point there are no plans to offer stand alone rims. Not to say it will never happen, we just aren't planning on it right now. Do not disagree with you that we could sell a lot of them and some customers would be stoked on being able to build something that was unique, it would just require a lot more resources at this point. Sounds silly, right? but when focusing on the system approach, we test the rim only in the system/configuration it will be built in and dial it in to where we are confident it will work well in the targeted riding experience. If we sold the rim only, we'd have to do a lot more testing to see how the rim works with different spokes, lacing patterns, etc. Changing spoke type/count can also change the wheel stiffness and impact resistance (for carbon rims) significantly, and these are things that would have to be considered in design of a "non proprietary" rim. Bottom line is though, I hear what you're saying, and at some point it might be a reality, just not in the near future.

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    ok so on my new/used roval sl wheelset im having an endcap adapter prob.
    the wheels are carbon rim black and red control sl's and proly 2011..
    im using q/r front and rear on my 2010 sw stumpjumper..
    front has spesh fork which i think uses oversized caps..

    it seems that the previous owner had a fox fork with q/r caps which i
    think would work anyway... but the front cap on the non disk side is rubbing
    the hub and seems too big for the hub....?

    now i have my stock sl's, which are aluminum rims but everything else seems to
    be the same as my new carbon fiber's. the adaptor from these on the front non disk
    side seems to be the right fit and is longer horizontally so sits onto hub better...
    but also smaller diameter so doesnt rub the hub and works fine.

    are there different hub adaptors for different years? are my older sl's the same hubs?
    i found a really good endcap chart part number somewhere but cant find in no more..
    any help?? thanks!

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    Joe, I am going to be getting some roval's for my p3 that I use for dj and BMX, I am a fairly smooth rider and would like to have a light set of wheels, I am considering the Control SL's but fear they might not be as durable as I need, dont wanna fork over the dough and have them fail. Do you think they are out of the question? Its either those or the Traverse SL's. I am sure the Traverse SL's will hold, but would like lighter if I can have it.

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    Hey Roval Joe I want to buy a 2013 control sl 29 wheelset but I want the red ones with black letters like the ones that come in the black s-works sram xx1 stumpy ht!! If u go to the specy site u only can choose the white with black letters and the classic red with white letters!! HOW can I get that color?? even my LBS canīt choose that color!!! thanks

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    the color

    The roval control sl wheelset that I want is this color
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    Hi Joe, same question but on the Carbon Controls (beadless) Want red for my Camber EVO. Not interested in the white. shows to much and looks worn faster. But moslty, I ride during deer season here (feels like a holiday) and although most hunters are responsable, I still don't like the idea of white on my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbwrider View Post
    ok so on my new/used roval sl wheelset im having an endcap adapter prob.
    the wheels are carbon rim black and red control sl's and proly 2011..
    im using q/r front and rear on my 2010 sw stumpjumper..
    front has spesh fork which i think uses oversized caps..

    it seems that the previous owner had a fox fork with q/r caps which i
    think would work anyway... but the front cap on the non disk side is rubbing
    the hub and seems too big for the hub....?

    now i have my stock sl's, which are aluminum rims but everything else seems to
    be the same as my new carbon fiber's. the adaptor from these on the front non disk
    side seems to be the right fit and is longer horizontally so sits onto hub better...
    but also smaller diameter so doesnt rub the hub and works fine.

    are there different hub adaptors for different years? are my older sl's the same hubs?
    i found a really good endcap chart part number somewhere but cant find in no more..
    any help?? thanks!
    mtbwrider- depends on the model of the hub, but yes in some cases there are different end caps for different years. For your particular situation, if your carbon rim wheelset is indeed 2011, and your alloy rim SL wheelset has a carbon hubshell, then the end caps should be the same between the two. In 2012 the hub changed slightly in that the non drive side flange was moved outward slightly and bearing position was modified to increase wheel stiffness, and in turn, the non drive side end cap had to chane a bit to accomodate. the diameter did not change, but the width of the end cap did decrease some. You can do a quick check to see if you have the right end cap by measuring from one end of the end cap flange to the other end cap flange (installed of course), to make sure that it is 100mm. Front QR dropout distance for mtn bikes is 100mm. If the measurement you get is significantly longer than this, then you'd need a different end cap. If it turns out you need a different end cap, maybe send me a PM with some photos so I can help get you sorted easier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andresco50 View Post
    Hey Roval Joe I want to buy a 2013 control sl 29 wheelset but I want the red ones with black letters like the ones that come in the black s-works sram xx1 stumpy ht!! If u go to the specy site u only can choose the white with black letters and the classic red with white letters!! HOW can I get that color?? even my LBS canīt choose that color!!! thanks
    Andresco50 & Stevebiker- sorry guys, but these are OE only colorways (they only come on wheels used on our bikes). We try to keep it simple for AM and pick a color that will go with most paint schemes, but obviously we can't please everyone 100% of the time. We used to only offer red for AM wheels, but we got a lot of hate for it since red is a pretty isolating color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronnyg801 View Post
    Joe, I am going to be getting some roval's for my p3 that I use for dj and BMX, I am a fairly smooth rider and would like to have a light set of wheels, I am considering the Control SL's but fear they might not be as durable as I need, dont wanna fork over the dough and have them fail. Do you think they are out of the question? Its either those or the Traverse SL's. I am sure the Traverse SL's will hold, but would like lighter if I can have it.

    Thanks
    ronnyg801- while the Control SL's would certainly lighten up your P3, they are totally innapropriate for dirt jumping, no matter how smooth you are. These are designed for XC racing, and not for taking on dirt jumps, so I'd hate to see you waste your money on them and be let down. If you're light and smooth, the Traverse SL's would probably be fine for what you're doing. Just keep in mind that no matter what wheel you're running (alloy or carbon), if you case a big jump hard enough, wheels are going to get damaged.

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    I got a local trail that is pretty rough on wheels (Rocky Ridge in San Jose if your in San Jose). I tend to dent up, crack, flat spot aluminum rims, but I'm not hucking or downhilling. It is just a rocky trail that is hard on bikes. If I crack a carbon rim would that be covered under warranty?

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    Roval Joe
    First, your responses are very much appreciated.

    Another question concerning the carbon controls (beadless). I am looking at these for my new Camber EVO (sweet bike BTW). I don't see a 142+ version listed. What effect will the non 142+ version have on shifting and wear on the drive train in the long run? I realize it doesn't make economic sense to offer to many options, but to be honest, between the lack of 142+ and color option, I may not consider these.

    One of my other options (out of my price range I think) is the Control SLs (race). My riding weight is 170 LBS and I ride trail/all mountain. Mostly smoother trails with some rougher trails with no big drops. My main concern is actually running a stick through the spokes. I'm not intrested in the Trail SLs as for the money, I would want to shed some wt.
    Comments?

    Thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjosedre View Post
    I got a local trail that is pretty rough on wheels (Rocky Ridge in San Jose if your in San Jose). I tend to dent up, crack, flat spot aluminum rims, but I'm not hucking or downhilling. It is just a rocky trail that is hard on bikes. If I crack a carbon rim would that be covered under warranty?
    sanjosedre- nice name! yeah, I know the trail, and ride it once in awhile. Definitely can be hard on rims. To be clear, impact damage to a carbon rim would be treated the same as an alloy rim, so unless there was a manufacturing defect in the rim (not molded properly, etc), the damage would not be covered under warranty. Can I ask what rims/tires/tire pressure you are running currently, and how much you weigh? I can recommend which carbon wheel model would be appropriate based on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebiker View Post
    Roval Joe
    First, your responses are very much appreciated.

    Another question concerning the carbon controls (beadless). I am looking at these for my new Camber EVO (sweet bike BTW). I don't see a 142+ version listed. What effect will the non 142+ version have on shifting and wear on the drive train in the long run? I realize it doesn't make economic sense to offer to many options, but to be honest, between the lack of 142+ and color option, I may not consider these.

    One of my other options (out of my price range I think) is the Control SLs (race). My riding weight is 170 LBS and I ride trail/all mountain. Mostly smoother trails with some rougher trails with no big drops. My main concern is actually running a stick through the spokes. I'm not intrested in the Trail SLs as for the money, I would want to shed some wt.
    Comments?

    Thanks again
    Steve
    Stevebiker- no problem, glad everyone is using this as a resource to understand the product better!

    ok, to answer your questions, there is no difference in drivetrain performance/wear over time with 142mm vs 142+ wheels. The only difference performance wise between the 142+ and 142 is that you gain about 10% stiffness from 142+ because the hub flanges are slightly further apart. If you are considering Control 29 Carbon wheels, these are extremely stiff wheels to begin with, so based on your weight/riding area, I don't think it's really an issue. Really the only issue at this point should be whether you can live with the color or not.

    I would not recommend the Control SL's for what you are doing, as they are more XC focused and even though you're not always riding rough trails, you might be let down by them.

    My recommendation is if you can bring yourself to live with the white graphic, you and your wallet would be much better served with the Control Carbons. One thing to consider, and this is a pretty far stretch, but if your local Specialized dealer has a bike in stock (2013 Epic Marathon or SJ HT Marathon) with the red wheels on it, you might ask if they would be interested in selling you those and they can replace with the white graphic. Occassionally I have heard of shops doing something like this, but it is a pretty big ask, and they would be going out of their way to do this.

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    Just wanted to say that I have been riding and racing the Control Carbons for awhile now (just about 600 miles) and they have been absolutely flawless. No issues at all with tires staying seated on the rim and the wheels are still as true as the day I put them on the bike. The rims hold up to impacts very well and I think they strike the perfect balance between weight, durability and price.

    I use to be afraid of carbon mountain bike wheels, but after using the Control Carbons I will never use another aluminum rim again. Highly recommend them to anyone looking for a relatively light and durable wheel-set.

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    Roval Joe, sorry if this is repetitive RE: compatibility of XD hub for XX1. I have a 2012 Epic Sworks (Roval Control SL 29 142+, DT Star Ratchet, 12mm thru-axle, 32h). If I buy this DT piece I will be fine?

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    ok so heres the best photos i could do.
    the endcaps which came with my carbon control sl's are the black
    ones and say 24mm-s125900009

    the red ones were stock on my 2010 sw stumpjumper control sl alloys
    and seem to fit both hubs just fine. theyre os 28mm caps i think.

    the only difference in all the caps seem to be on the non-disk side front wheel.

    i put a pick of both hubs and you can kinda see the damage occurred
    from using those black caps. the previous owner touched up hub area with
    black paint because they probably got so hot it melted the some of the hub paint off... so know your caps!!

    http://forums.mtbr.com/members/mtbwr...caps-adapters/

    and everything about newer control wheels..

    http://service.specialized.com/asc/C...ice-kit-rA.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by PainkillerSPE View Post
    Just wanted to say that I have been riding and racing the Control Carbons for awhile now (just about 600 miles) and they have been absolutely flawless. No issues at all with tires staying seated on the rim and the wheels are still as true as the day I put them on the bike. The rims hold up to impacts very well and I think they strike the perfect balance between weight, durability and price.

    I use to be afraid of carbon mountain bike wheels, but after using the Control Carbons I will never use another aluminum rim again. Highly recommend them to anyone looking for a relatively light and durable wheel-set.
    PainkillerSPE- right on, stoked you are enjoying the product!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fguelfi View Post
    Roval Joe, sorry if this is repetitive RE: compatibility of XD hub for XX1. I have a 2012 Epic Sworks (Roval Control SL 29 142+, DT Star Ratchet, 12mm thru-axle, 32h). If I buy this DT piece I will be fine?

    DT Swiss XX1 Freehub Body - Competitive Cyclist

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    fguelfi- this is not the kit you want. This FH body is correct, but it comes with the wrong end cap. You will need to get the kit from our service department (your local Specialized dealer can get this for you), and the service part number is S132100005

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbwrider View Post
    ok so heres the best photos i could do.
    the endcaps which came with my carbon control sl's are the black
    ones and say 24mm-s125900009

    the red ones were stock on my 2010 sw stumpjumper control sl alloys
    and seem to fit both hubs just fine. theyre os 28mm caps i think.

    the only difference in all the caps seem to be on the non-disk side front wheel.

    i put a pick of both hubs and you can kinda see the damage occurred
    from using those black caps. the previous owner touched up hub area with
    black paint because they probably got so hot it melted the some of the hub paint off... so know your caps!!

    http://forums.mtbr.com/members/mtbwr...caps-adapters/

    and everything about newer control wheels..

    http://service.specialized.com/asc/C...ice-kit-rA.pdf
    mtbwrider- ok, this helps. The non disc side end cap you have is not compatible wtih your carbon rim wheel, as the hubs are different. The disc side caps are the same and can be interchanged. The black end cap with part # S125900009 should be used on the non drive side, however, it sounds like you are getting some rubbing between the end cap flange and the hub shell? I would have to see it in person to understand what is going on, maybe your best bet would be to take it by a Specialized shop and have them take a look?

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    Roval Joe, I live in south america and travel to the US every month. Any shop online to buy that part? Couldn`t find it anywhere online or at specialized.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by fguelfi View Post
    Roval Joe, I live in south america and travel to the US every month. Any shop online to buy that part? Couldn`t find it anywhere online or at specialized.com
    Fguelfi- PM me and I'll help you get squared away.

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    Replacement front end caps

    So borrowing from a poster above, I have a set that I recently bought which are apparently take offs and look exactly like the picture below. I've got the DT kit for converting the rear hub to 142x12, but also need to find end caps for the front to convert to 15mm thru axle. The end caps the hub came with are for 9mm by the looks of them, different on either side, but with the same part number:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    Fguelfi- PM me and I'll help you get squared away.
    Hello again I want to buy a control roval sl wheelset and looks like is a take off from a bike that uses 142mm or a thru axle not shure which one is!!! but my bike is stumpjumper QR 135mm he said that he have all the adaptors that came with the wheelset!!

    These adaptors will fit my 135mm QR bike?? and will fit a DT xx1 freehub??
    thanks

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    Ok roval Joe the Roval control sl wheelset was in a 2013 epic sworks!! and he is selling the wheelset and he have all the adaptors!! will fit in my 2013 s works stumpjumper????

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceharrier View Post
    So borrowing from a poster above, I have a set that I recently bought which are apparently take offs and look exactly like the picture below. I've got the DT kit for converting the rear hub to 142x12, but also need to find end caps for the front to convert to 15mm thru axle. The end caps the hub came with are for 9mm by the looks of them, different on either side, but with the same part number:

    28MM-S125900007

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    spaceharrier- S125900010 is the part number for the set of 15mm thru axle end caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andresco50 View Post
    Ok roval Joe the Roval control sl wheelset was in a 2013 epic sworks!! and he is selling the wheelset and he have all the adaptors!! will fit in my 2013 s works stumpjumper????
    andresco50- I'm a little confused. You mention in your first post that you have a 135mm rear end on your stumpjumper, which, if correct, means you have a much older Stumpy than 2013. If your Stumpy is indeed 2013, these 142+ rear wheel will fit in your bike no problem. The wheel which came on the Epic uses a QR end cap, so if the guy your buying these from has the 15mm end caps, you are set. If he does not have the 15mm end caps, you can just order them thru a shop (S125900010 is the part#).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    spaceharrier- S125900010 is the part number for the set of 15mm thru axle end caps.
    Thanks. I did see a thread elsewhere with someone from Specialized saying that part number was no longer available. Is that mistaken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceharrier View Post
    Thanks. I did see a thread elsewhere with someone from Specialized saying that part number was no longer available. Is that mistaken?
    spaceharrier- I have been referencing part numbers from our customer service guys. Give me a little time to dig in on this and see what is going on. Will get back to you as soon as I have an update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceharrier View Post
    Thanks. I did see a thread elsewhere with someone from Specialized saying that part number was no longer available. Is that mistaken?
    spaceharrier- after discussing with customer service this AM, the post you saw in that other thread was a mistake. We do have these in stock, and any dealer should be able to order them. If you experience problems in getting them, please let me know and I can help to clear up any confusion at the shop level. thanks for pointing this out!!

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    Great, thanks. Asked my LBS to order some on Friday hoping you'd say that

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    Roval Joe:

    Is there any difference on the rim between the Control 29 SL and Control Trail SL 29 or are there differences only in the spokes (Supercomp vs. Revolution) and hubs?
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    Roval Joe,
    I am looking for a set of wheels for my incoming nomad. When will the Traverse SL be available for purchase?
    Frame will be here in a month, and I have a mate going to the US in July so hopefully the traverse SL will be out by then.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Portti View Post
    Roval Joe:

    Is there any difference on the rim between the Control 29 SL and Control Trail SL 29 or are there differences only in the spokes (Supercomp vs. Revolution) and hubs?
    Portti- these are the same rims, the spoke/hub spec is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heatstroke View Post
    Roval Joe,
    I am looking for a set of wheels for my incoming nomad. When will the Traverse SL be available for purchase?
    Frame will be here in a month, and I have a mate going to the US in July so hopefully the traverse SL will be out by then.
    Cheers
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    Hey Rich- we'll have more of these wheels arriving at the end of May, so your buddy should be able to get some then. Not every shop will have them, so it might be smart to contact the shop ahead of time to make sure they will bring them in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    Portti- these are the same rims, the spoke/hub spec is different.
    Thanks for the reply! Very helpful.

    I have one follow-up question too. Do I understand correctly that the DT Swiss XX1 freehub kits will fit these wheels (Control 29 SL and Control Trail SL 29)? If I have a non-Specialized bike with 142x12 mm rear axle then the DT Swiss XX1 142x12 freehub kit would fit those Roval wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portti View Post
    Thanks for the reply! Very helpful.

    I have one follow-up question too. Do I understand correctly that the DT Swiss XX1 freehub kits will fit these wheels (Control 29 SL and Control Trail SL 29)? If I have a non-Specialized bike with 142x12 mm rear axle then the DT Swiss XX1 142x12 freehub kit would fit those Roval wheels?

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    Portti, yes, DT XX1freehub kits will fit these wheels, you just need to make sure you're getting the right one. I posted the part numbers earlier in this thread, just check that document that I posted and it will explain which part number you need. The end cap is specific to which wheel/axle settup you are uisng.

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    Roval questions?

    Joe -- I have a set of Roval Control EL wheels that are a few years old and I was wondering if the front can be converted to 20mm TA. and if so, what are the part numbers for the 20mm end caps?

    The hub appears to be part # 110901 (see photo).

    Thanks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Joe -- I have a set of Roval Control EL wheels that are a few years old and I was wondering if the front can be converted to 20mm TA. and if so, what are the part numbers for the 20mm end caps?

    The hub appears to be part # 110901 (see photo).

    Thanks!

    AOK- the Control EL's were QR and 15mm compatible, but not 20mm. These were geared towards XC riding, so we figured the 20mm thru axle was overkill.

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    Roval Control 29 Carbon wheels use DT Prolock nipples. These are brass and should help avoid the alloy nipple corrosion problems Enve was experiencing. Another good reason for looking at these.
    Last edited by eb1888; 05-12-2013 at 09:22 AM.

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    Can anyone tell me the difference between the Control Trail sl 29 and the Traverse sl 29? I know about the small weight difference and 1mm internal width. The Control Trail is on the s-works Stumpjumper 29 FSR and the Traverse is going to come on the s-works Enduro 29. I want one or the other for a Santa Cruz LTc. Thanks for your help.

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    Joe:

    Are the $1300 Carbon Control 29 wheels stronger than the $1700 Carbon Control SL 29 wheels? I've heard the no-hook rims are stronger than the rims with a bead hook. True?

    I'm 210 pounds ready to ride on my Giant Anthem and ride rocky terrain in NJ. Thoughts on which make more sense? I was all for three lighter SL wheels but not at the expense of durability.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    Roval Control 29 Carbon wheels use DT Prolock nipples. These are brass and should help avoid the alloy nipple corrosion problems Enve was experiencing. Another good reason for looking at these.
    eb1888- thanks for helping inform people! one thing to clarify though is that while we do use Prolock nipples, they are the alloy versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdqmach26 View Post
    Can anyone tell me the difference between the Control Trail sl 29 and the Traverse sl 29? I know about the small weight difference and 1mm internal width. The Control Trail is on the s-works Stumpjumper 29 FSR and the Traverse is going to come on the s-works Enduro 29. I want one or the other for a Santa Cruz LTc. Thanks for your help.
    pdqmach26- the Traverse SL 29 rim is a differnt animal than the Control Trail SL 29 in that the Traverse has no bead hook, and also has a differnt construction. Because the Traverse rim has no bead hook, continuous carbon fiber layers are run across the sidewall/rim bed area, creating more impact resistance, as well as being stiffer. What wheel is right for you kind of depends on your riding style/weight/riding conditions, etc. If you are a bit bigger, have an aggressive riding style, and ride in rocky/rough conditions, you might opt for the Traverse since they are very tough wheels. If you are lighter, don't hit stuff hard and don't ride in rough areas, then the Control Trail's would work for you. And if you are somewhere in between, the Control Carbon 29's would be an option also, as they have the same rim construction as the Traverse SL 29, but with a bit lighter layup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48 View Post
    Joe:

    Are the $1300 Carbon Control 29 wheels stronger than the $1700 Carbon Control SL 29 wheels? I've heard the no-hook rims are stronger than the rims with a bead hook. True?

    I'm 210 pounds ready to ride on my Giant Anthem and ride rocky terrain in NJ. Thoughts on which make more sense? I was all for three lighter SL wheels but not at the expense of durability.

    Thanks!
    davidcarson48- the Control Carbon 29 wheels are more impact resistant than the Control SL 29's, but at the expense of some weight. There are thousands of customers running Control SL's out there with no troubles, it just depends on your riding style, how rough the trails are that you ride, what kind of tires you run (light XC casing vs more durable trail/all mtn style casing), etc. based on your weight and terrain, you might be better served with the Control 29 Carbon wheels. See one or two posts above for a little explanation on rim differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    pdqmach26- the Traverse SL 29 rim is a differnt animal than the Control Trail SL 29 in that the Traverse has no bead hook, and also has a differnt construction. Because the Traverse rim has no bead hook, continuous carbon fiber layers are run across the sidewall/rim bed area, creating more impact resistance, as well as being stiffer. What wheel is right for you kind of depends on your riding style/weight/riding conditions, etc. If you are a bit bigger, have an aggressive riding style, and ride in rocky/rough conditions, you might opt for the Traverse since they are very tough wheels. If you are lighter, don't hit stuff hard and don't ride in rough areas, then the Control Trail's would work for you. And if you are somewhere in between, the Control Carbon 29's would be an option also, as they have the same rim construction as the Traverse SL 29, but with a bit lighter layup.
    Thanks for all your answers! I am 185lbs and 52 years old so I don't go to crazy. Do any of the above mentioned rims have an advantage or disadvantage running tubeless? I use 2.35 or 2.4 aggressive style tires. Thanks again!!

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    pdqmach26- all the wheels above mount up tubeless the same way, and are very easy to set up. Glad I could help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    eb1888- thanks for helping inform people! one thing to clarify though is that while we do use Prolock nipples, they are the alloy versions.

    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.
    This thread discusses the corrosion on the Enve wheels and alloy nipples. They have changed to brass. Your lifetime warranty would cover nipples without reservation in case something comes up I take it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.
    This thread discusses the corrosion on the Enve wheels and alloy nipples. They have changed to brass. Your lifetime warranty would cover nipples without reservation in case something comes up I take it .
    eb1888- thanks for the link, I had seen that awhile back, and checked with our customer service guys who reported they had not seen many wheels coming back with corrosion like this. I will check back with them again and see if this is still the case. Regarding warranty, ours is very similar to Enve's in that it covers manufacturing defects, like an incorrectly molded rim, a defective freehub body etc, and not nipple corrosion specifically. It sounds like we need to do some research and 1)find out how many of our wheels are having this problem, and 2)what we can do to solve it. As pointed out in the Enve thread, switching to brass nipples could be a quick fix. Are you specifically having trouble with a set of our carbon wheels, and if so, maybe you could let me know some specifics (how long you've had the wheels, are you running tubeless and what sealant if so)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    eb1888- Are you specifically having trouble with a set of our carbon wheels, and if so, maybe you could let me know some specifics (how long you've had the wheels, are you running tubeless and what sealant if so)?
    I'm running my own build of ArchEx/SuperComp/DT with a recent change to brass nipples after alloys are not tuneable this year. And I am looking to upgrade for a new bike build. I like to make choices that avoid future problems. I wouldn't be too comfortable with alloy nipples for a carbon wheel build.

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    eb1888- ok, understand. One question, if I understand you correctly, you had corrosion problems with alloy nipples in your alloy Stans rims, and switched to brass? Thanks for the help.

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    Roval Joe,

    Great thread and thanks in advance.

    I'm rebuilding a set of hubs froma Roval control SL 26" wheelset and need the hub flange diameter and distance from center. The wheels are 2009-ish, white hubs with carbon shell on the front, 24/28 hole.

    All the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    eb1888- ok, understand. One question, if I understand you correctly, you had corrosion problems with alloy nipples in your alloy Stans rims, and switched to brass? Thanks for the help.
    Zero of the type of galvanic corrosion I pictured on the alloy nipples used in the Enve carbon wheel build. My problem was difficulty freeing the alloy nipples from the stainless spoke. Because that wasn't going to improve over the wheel life I made the choice to change now to avoid future problems.
    The galvanic corrosion I pictured results from the manufacturers choice of matrials and isn't something a user can avoid with proper care.
    If the manufacturer insists on the material and the corrosion destroys the product I see that as a defect in the manufacturing process.
    I wouldn't buy into that even with warranty coverage.

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    I'm looking at the new enduro 29er. The wheels are listed as roval 29 alloy disc, 28 mm wide, 32 hole. Front hub, Spec Hi Lo disc 15mm through. Rear hub, Spec Hi Lo disc, 12mm through, 32 hole. Internal width? I'm assuming the hi lo is a basic specialized hub? Looking for some more info. I'm on the beefy side and wonder how they will hold up to New England rocks and roots.

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