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    Quote Originally Posted by seven-22 View Post
    Roval Joe,

    Great thread and thanks in advance.

    I'm rebuilding a set of hubs froma Roval control SL 26" wheelset and need the hub flange diameter and distance from center. The wheels are 2009-ish, white hubs with carbon shell on the front, 24/28 hole.

    All the best.
    seven-22- sorry for the lag, trying to get the info from one of the engineers for you on this, please be patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    I'm looking at the new enduro 29er. The wheels are listed as roval 29 alloy disc, 28 mm wide, 32 hole. Front hub, Spec Hi Lo disc 15mm through. Rear hub, Spec Hi Lo disc, 12mm through, 32 hole. Internal width? I'm assuming the hi lo is a basic specialized hub? Looking for some more info. I'm on the beefy side and wonder how they will hold up to New England rocks and roots.
    leeboh- I think you are refering to the Comp model, correct? This is not a Roval wheelset, rather, it's an OE wheelset that uses a Roval rim, so there are a number of differences including hubs, spokes, and the wheels are machine built (Roval wheelsets are all hand built, whether they come on the bike or are purchased aftermarket). Ok, so that being said, the rim width is 24mm inner width. What wheels are you running now, or in the past that have worked well out there?

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    I have a 2012 Roval Control EL (s/n M11AA00431). I broke a spoke (rear drive side) and went to the shop to get a replacement. They told me the wheel uses a 277mm Revolution spoke. They found a couple at a shop in NC and had to have them shipped to CO. No one has these spokes - not Spesh, not shops and not DT Swiss in GJ. I pulled three others out of the drive side and they are all different lengths - 278, 280, and 282. Can you confirm what spokes are supposed to be on this wheel drive and non/drive.

    Also, why can't straight pull spokes have oval heads? - it would be much easier to true them

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsj3831 View Post
    I have a 2012 Roval Control EL (s/n M11AA00431). I broke a spoke (rear drive side) and went to the shop to get a replacement. They told me the wheel uses a 277mm Revolution spoke. They found a couple at a shop in NC and had to have them shipped to CO. No one has these spokes - not Spesh, not shops and not DT Swiss in GJ. I pulled three others out of the drive side and they are all different lengths - 278, 280, and 282. Can you confirm what spokes are supposed to be on this wheel drive and non/drive.

    Also, why can't straight pull spokes have oval heads? - it would be much easier to true them
    jsj3831- the spoke you are looking for is indeed 277mm, service part# S2026018. we have plenty of them in stock in Salt Lake City. Did you go to a Specialized dealer, and if so, did they actually contact our customer service, or attempt to look up the part number on our service site? As for why you are measuring different length spokes- Just like any bike part, there is a tolerance to the spec dimension, so not every part will measure exactly the spec length. That being said, 282mm is pretty far off. Over time, spokes can stretch, and I'm not sure if that is what is happening here or not. Why can't straight pull spokes have oval heads? They actually could, but it would also require every straight pull hub maker to machine appropriate spoke holes to accept these. It might help resist twisting, but you would still get the spoke "winding up" when you are adding tension since there is quite a bit of length between the nipple and the head. The best thing to do is use a twist resist tool and hold the spoke near the nipple. Granted, these tools are not easy to come by at this point, but we will be bringing one to market this summer. Sorry for the inconvenience you've had to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    leeboh- I think you are refering to the Comp model, correct? This is not a Roval wheelset, rather, it's an OE wheelset that uses a Roval rim, so there are a number of differences including hubs, spokes, and the wheels are machine built (Roval wheelsets are all hand built, whether they come on the bike or are purchased aftermarket). Ok, so that being said, the rim width is 24mm inner width. What wheels are you running now, or in the past that have worked well out there?
    On my 26er Kona, I have a hand built wheel set, hadley hubs to mavic 319's worked well for 8 yrs so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    seven-22- sorry for the lag, trying to get the info from one of the engineers for you on this, please be patient.
    No worries. I'm just grateful to have a contact that will help me out. I suppose it's a testament to the quality of the wheels that this information isn't readily available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    On my 26er Kona, I have a hand built wheel set, hadley hubs to mavic 319's worked well for 8 yrs so far.
    Leeboh- got it. While the engagement won't be as tight as a Hadley, I think the wheels will do ok for you out there. 8 years is quite a long time for a set of mtn wheels if you are riding consistently! you'll notice the extra rim width for sure, especially if you run lower pressures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seven-22 View Post
    Roval Joe,

    Great thread and thanks in advance.

    I'm rebuilding a set of hubs froma Roval control SL 26" wheelset and need the hub flange diameter and distance from center. The wheels are 2009-ish, white hubs with carbon shell on the front, 24/28 hole.

    All the best.

    seven-22, I'm kind of in a tight spot here with this one. It's our policy to not give out info to promote building up our components with other systems (spokes/rims, etc), because we only test for the configurations we sell. I know this does sound a bit like a cop out, but you would be surprised by how much small changes can make to how a wheel performs. That being said, if you still want to continue, DT Swiss has a straight pull spoke calculator online that you could try, and it shouldn't be too hard actually measure the hubs you have with a metric caliper. Sorry I can't help you out more.

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    Interested in getting the new Roval Control 29 wheelset and have been lurking on this thread off and on. I hope "not" to need it, but just a kudo for your service input on behalf of all the posters on here Joe!
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    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Interested in getting the new Roval Control 29 wheelset and have been lurking on this thread off and on. I hope "not" to need it, but just a kudo for your service input on behalf of all the posters on here Joe!
    JMac47- thanks for the kudos, you will be stoked on those wheels if you end up getting them!

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    They might be overkill with their stout 240# rider weight limit given my 140# stature....
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    They might be overkill with their stout 240# rider weight limit given my 140# stature....
    JMac47- all of our carbon wheels have a high rider weight limit, but they all ride differently due to rim construction, spoke spec/spoke count, etc, so don't be put off by the weight limit.

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    that's interesting...so what if I was looking for an XC 29er wheelset that can take the hardest blows? Fast through a rock garden type stuff....I don't normally ride silly low pressures (28 min in the front is the lowest I have ridden).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsj3831 View Post
    that's interesting...so what if I was looking for an XC 29er wheelset that can take the hardest blows? Fast through a rock garden type stuff....I don't normally ride silly low pressures (28 min in the front is the lowest I have ridden).
    jsj3831- if you were looking for the most robust set of XC wheels, I'd personally go wtih the Control Carbon 29. it is a bit heavier than the SL, but stands up to impacts better than the SL's, and is more affordable as well. You won't have any issues at the pressure you're running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    JMac47- all of our carbon wheels have a high rider weight limit, but they all ride differently due to rim construction, spoke spec/spoke count, etc, so don't be put off by the weight limit.
    I should rephrase that "I'm sure there will be zero flex felt with my skinny ar$e ridding them".
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    I should rephrase that "I'm sure there will be zero flex felt with my skinny ar$e ridding them".
    Ha! got it!

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    New question here. Weight difference Roval Control SL 29 vs. Roval Control Carbon 29

    Hey Joe!

    First of all, I really appreciate the direct approach you are taking towards customers here.

    I have two questions regarding the weight/differences between the Roval Control SL 29 vs. the Roval Control Carbon 29 wheels.

    As I understand the weight difference between these wheelsets is around 100 g.

    1. Where does this weight differcence come from (hubs/rims/spokes)?

    2. What exactly is the technical difference between the hubs used (240s vs. 350 internals)?

    Many thanks in advance!

    Cheers,
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    ^^^ Great question.

    Also, Joe...

    Do the Carbon Control 29 wheels come with the 18T or 36T star ratchet? How about the Carbon Control SL 29s?

    Thanks!

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    Hello Joe, Is there any plan for Roval to make a Single Speed Specific wheelset available for purchase? I noticed even the Carve SL come with a casette hub and it's just spaced out. Seems strange to me for a production bike. This question may have been asked before but I didn't want to sift through 5 pages of posts, heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bart_simpson View Post
    Hey Joe!

    First of all, I really appreciate the direct approach you are taking towards customers here.

    I have two questions regarding the weight/differences between the Roval Control SL 29 vs. the Roval Control Carbon 29 wheels.

    As I understand the weight difference between these wheelsets is around 100 g.

    1. Where does this weight differcence come from (hubs/rims/spokes)?

    2. What exactly is the technical difference between the hubs used (240s vs. 350 internals)?

    Many thanks in advance!

    Cheers,
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    bart_simpson- cool, glad you guys are finding this helpful! ok, to answer your questions:
    The front hub on Control SL is lighter (and noticeably smaller), the rear hub looks the same between the two wheels, but the SL uses a DT 240 based design, and the Control Carbon uses the DT 350 based design. Both are similar, but the 240 has a little nicer quality bearing and more machining, making it lighter. Spokes are exactly the same between the two wheels (DT Swiss Revolutions w/Pro Lock hex head alloy nipples), so no difference there. The rims are different also, Controls being a little heavier than the SL's, but also more impact resistant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48 View Post
    ^^^ Great question.

    Also, Joe...

    Do the Carbon Control 29 wheels come with the 18T or 36T star ratchet? How about the Carbon Control SL 29s?

    Thanks!
    davidcarson48- all models of Roval mountain wheels for 2012, 2013, and the coming 2014 year will use 36t star ratchets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinTRON View Post
    Hello Joe, Is there any plan for Roval to make a Single Speed Specific wheelset available for purchase? I noticed even the Carve SL come with a casette hub and it's just spaced out. Seems strange to me for a production bike. This question may have been asked before but I didn't want to sift through 5 pages of posts, heh.
    austinTRON- I'm not sure on the reason for the Carve spec, but as for Roval wheels coming in a single speed specific configuration, I'm sorry, but this isn't in the plan right now. We can definitely look at it in the future, but it won't be happening soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    bart_simpson- cool, glad you guys are finding this helpful!
    Yes, this is indeed REALLY cool, as it allows to take an educated purchase decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    the rear hub looks the same between the two wheels, but the SL uses a DT 240 based design, and the Control Carbon uses the DT 350 based design. Both are similar, but the 240 has a little nicer quality bearing and more machining, making it lighter.
    OK, understood. What does "nicer quality bearing" mean for real use?
    How is reliability affected in comparison to the 240 hub?

    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by bart_simpson View Post
    Yes, this is indeed REALLY cool, as it allows to take an educated purchase decision



    OK, understood. What does "nicer quality bearing" mean for real use?
    How is reliability affected in comparison to the 240 hub?

    Thanks again
    It's just a higher grade bearing. In real terms like you are asking, there are hundreds of thousands of these hubs in the field, and we have not seen longevity issues with the 350 bearing compared to the 240 bearing. they both seem to do well, and haven't had complaints. Basically the 240 hub gets you a decent weight savings.

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    I just want to say how good it is to see Roval Joe here on the forums putting in some good hours helping customers in real time. Also makes me happy that I am a Specialized rider too. Best customer service there is, even outside of the bike industry, few companies can hold a candle to them. *High Five* joe. Also, I just reeled in a set of DT 240s. I'm going to need a set of hoops to lace up. I have been assuming that I would end up with stan's pretty much from the get-go but I would really like to have some Rovals just to say I have Roval. I'm a 170lb rider and this wheelset will be for XC Racing. I will be running it Single Speed and also geared in the future. Any recommendations? Probly Control 29s? I'm really interested in the Control Carbon 29. Can these be purchased individualy? We've gotten some through the shop before but it was for warranty purposes.
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    Freehub body question - mine is getting a bit knicked up from the cassette. Assuming the bearings are smooth, is there a point at which this will affect functionality? Are replacements all similar in material (AL)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinTRON View Post
    I just want to say how good it is to see Roval Joe here on the forums putting in some good hours helping customers in real time. Also makes me happy that I am a Specialized rider too. Best customer service there is, even outside of the bike industry, few companies can hold a candle to them. *High Five* joe. Also, I just reeled in a set of DT 240s. I'm going to need a set of hoops to lace up. I have been assuming that I would end up with stan's pretty much from the get-go but I would really like to have some Rovals just to say I have Roval. I'm a 170lb rider and this wheelset will be for XC Racing. I will be running it Single Speed and also geared in the future. Any recommendations? Probly Control 29s? I'm really interested in the Control Carbon 29. Can these be purchased individualy? We've gotten some through the shop before but it was for warranty purposes.
    austinTRON- stoked to help you guys. Unfortunately in your case though, I'm not able to be of much help. Since we design our wheels as a system, we don't offer any of the pieces aftermarket. The only way to get rims is if there is a warranty or crash replacement of an existing wheelset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    Since we design our wheels as a system, we don't offer any of the pieces aftermarket. The only way to get rims is if there is a warranty or crash replacement of an existing wheelset.
    oh man what a bummer... I really wanted to represent Roval....

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    Roval questions?

    Joe,

    I have a set of Control SL 29 wheels - carbon rims with the "red wedge" look from 2011 or 2012. I was thinking about replacing the red aero spokes with black DT competition spokes. Can you give me the spoke lengths I would need to do this?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Joe,

    I have a set of Control SL 29 wheels - carbon rims with the "red wedge" look from 2011 or 2012. I was thinking about replacing the red aero spokes with black DT competition spokes. Can you give me the spoke lengths I would need to do this?

    Thanks!
    Here's a DT Swiss spoke calculator. I believe the Control SL 29 used hubs with 350 internals, pretty sure the shell is the same? Welcome <- dno why it says "welcome" but I can't seem to change it, lol.

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    Roval questions?

    Quote Originally Posted by austinTRON View Post
    Here's a DT Swiss spoke calculator. I believe the Control SL 29 used hubs with 350 internals, pretty sure the shell is the same? Welcome <- dno why it says "welcome" but I can't seem to change it, lol.
    The Roval hub internals are the same as DT Swiss, but my understanding was that the hub shell is different.

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    Need Roval Joe...

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    I have a friend who is getting the carbon wheel set so he is getting rid of
    His current rivals. They came off a epic comp 29. Os28 front and 142 rear.
    Can I convert the front to 20mm. Don't want to buy another fork.
    Thanks

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    Roval Joe,

    Are the hubs from Roval Control SL 29er with ceramic bearings?

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    Paging Roval Joe,

    Could the issue that has just begun to crop up on my 15mm TA QR be related to the Roval Control SL hub?

    I have a Rock Shox Reba RL with 15mm TA. Starting yesterday it seems like I've loss most of the clamping force in the QR. How could that happen? Previously when I put the wheel in the dropouts, I would turn and tighten the TA until it was just snug, then I would clamp the QR down closed and I could feel it provide some good clamping force. It felt like about the same clamping force as a traditional 9mm QR. But when putting the wheel on yesterday I used the same procedure but the QR didn't seem to provide much clamp force at all. Even if I turn and tighten the TA hard, I still don't get much more force out of clamping the QR. I can still spin the QR on the axle when it is in the closed position, I couldn't do that before.
    First thing I thought of was the TA conversion hub caps, but they all seem fine. The hub is Specialized Roval Control SL, TA is Rock Shox that came with the bike/fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Joe,

    I have a set of Control SL 29 wheels - carbon rims with the "red wedge" look from 2011 or 2012. I was thinking about replacing the red aero spokes with black DT competition spokes. Can you give me the spoke lengths I would need to do this?

    Thanks!
    AOK- My apologies for the serious lag in response! I was traveling with really bad connection to the internet. Spoke lengths are as follows:
    front Drive side: 289mm, Non Drive side: 302mm
    Rear Drive side: 299mm, Non Drive side, 302mm
    if you need our service part numbers for these, let me know, and I'll post them. Thanks for your patience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jujuyak View Post
    I have a friend who is getting the carbon wheel set so he is getting rid of
    His current rivals. They came off a epic comp 29. Os28 front and 142 rear.
    Can I convert the front to 20mm. Don't want to buy another fork.
    Thanks
    jujuyak- the wheels that came on the Epic Comp are not Roval wheelsets. They are Roval rims that are laced into some OE hubs, much like you see other brand's bikes using DT or Mavic rims laced into OE hubs. Specialized bikes using Roval hand built wheelsets come on Expert level or above. So, assuming I understand you correctly, the wheels your friend has will not convert to 20mm axle in the front. The easy way to tell is to see if the hub graphic says Roval on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewarnerusa View Post
    Paging Roval Joe,

    Could the issue that has just begun to crop up on my 15mm TA QR be related to the Roval Control SL hub?

    I have a Rock Shox Reba RL with 15mm TA. Starting yesterday it seems like I've loss most of the clamping force in the QR. How could that happen? Previously when I put the wheel in the dropouts, I would turn and tighten the TA until it was just snug, then I would clamp the QR down closed and I could feel it provide some good clamping force. It felt like about the same clamping force as a traditional 9mm QR. But when putting the wheel on yesterday I used the same procedure but the QR didn't seem to provide much clamp force at all. Even if I turn and tighten the TA hard, I still don't get much more force out of clamping the QR. I can still spin the QR on the axle when it is in the closed position, I couldn't do that before.
    First thing I thought of was the TA conversion hub caps, but they all seem fine. The hub is Specialized Roval Control SL, TA is Rock Shox that came with the bike/fork.
    ewarnerusa- After reading thru your post, I don't think the problem is with the wheel. It may be that you need to adjust your TA, depending on exactly which model it is. The quick way to tell is to put another wheel in your fork and see if you have the same problem. Some of the Rockshox TA's use a small allen bolt to adjust "clamping force", and I'm guessing that you just need to tighten that down a bit. I could be totally wrong, but it's hard to tell without being able to check it out myself. Try it out and let me know what you find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    ewarnerusa- After reading thru your post, I don't think the problem is with the wheel. It may be that you need to adjust your TA, depending on exactly which model it is. The quick way to tell is to put another wheel in your fork and see if you have the same problem. Some of the Rockshox TA's use a small allen bolt to adjust "clamping force", and I'm guessing that you just need to tighten that down a bit. I could be totally wrong, but it's hard to tell without being able to check it out myself. Try it out and let me know what you find.
    Thanks Joe, that solved it.

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    Hi Joe, first off I want to say that these wheels look like a great deal. Between the DT Swiss internals, what looks like a great design for a tubeless carbon clincher, and the Revolution spokes and Pro Lock nipples tying it together, I think these will sell really well for the price.

    It is almost enough to make me buy them DESPITE the fact that I am in the camp that likes to build and repair my own wheels. Building them myself I can select the width of my rims, the guage of my spokes (I consider 1.5 easy to break when sticks get into the spokes), centerlock or 6-bolt (6-bolt is a weight penalty if you prefer Shimano rotors, which are awesome IMO), etc.

    I know you have already said Specialized will only sell these are a wheelset. So this leads me to the unfortunate question: I am curious as to whether or not the hookless carbon rim idea is patented or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpower13 View Post
    Roval Joe,

    Are the hubs from Roval Control SL 29er with ceramic bearings?
    Mpower13- we do not use ceramic bearings on Roval mtn wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutantclover View Post
    Hi Joe, first off I want to say that these wheels look like a great deal. Between the DT Swiss internals, what looks like a great design for a tubeless carbon clincher, and the Revolution spokes and Pro Lock nipples tying it together, I think these will sell really well for the price.

    It is almost enough to make me buy them DESPITE the fact that I am in the camp that likes to build and repair my own wheels. Building them myself I can select the width of my rims, the guage of my spokes (I consider 1.5 easy to break when sticks get into the spokes), centerlock or 6-bolt (6-bolt is a weight penalty if you prefer Shimano rotors, which are awesome IMO), etc.

    I know you have already said Specialized will only sell these are a wheelset. So this leads me to the unfortunate question: I am curious as to whether or not the hookless carbon rim idea is patented or not?
    Mutantclover- first off, I'm wondering where that name came from, nice! ok, so to answer your question, no, the zero bead hook design is not something that is patentable. Moto, car, and even some bike rims in the past have all used this design, so it's not something that can be patented. Regarding building your wheels versus getting the Control carbon's, I would recommend you go to your local dealer and see if they would let you test drive a set. Not a lot of dealers are set up like this, but some will actually let you take a set out if you are seriously considering purchasing. I think one ride will tell you a lot about what the wheels are (way more than the sum of their parts), and that will help you make a decision on what is right for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roval Joe View Post
    Mutantclover- first off, I'm wondering where that name came from, nice!
    Thanks for the response Joe. As for the name, this may help: Four-leaf clover: No luck, but an aberration due to a faulty gene.

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    RJ, your usual prompt responses and feedback leave nothing to apologize for!
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Roval Joe,

    Could you tell me if the wheelset that comes on the 2012 stumpjumper fsr expert carbon evo (elite titanium mega fluxcapacitor... sorry couldn't stop) 26" can be converted to 20mm in the front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dberndt View Post
    Roval Joe,

    Could you tell me if the wheelset that comes on the 2012 stumpjumper fsr expert carbon evo (elite titanium mega fluxcapacitor... sorry couldn't stop) 26" can be converted to 20mm in the front?
    dberndt- those are the Traverse wheels on that model, and yes, they can be converted to 20mm thru axle, you just need to have your dealer order up the end caps. Give them this info and they won't have to bother looking it up: Part# S125900003

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    Rival Joe

    Thank you for the info. It is appreciated.

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    Thanks RJ, It's appreciated that you're here in this forum answering these questions.

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    Hi Joe!
    A question:
    I have a wheelset Roval Control SL (26 "). Not sure of the year, possibly 2011. I have a pair of 9mm "end caps" for Specialized forks (28mm), but I need it for a Fox fork (24mm).

    I need to know the reference number of the end caps to order.

    The front hub has the reference: 110603

    I attach you some photos to help identify the wheels:

    Roval questions?-8.jpgRoval questions?-7.jpgRoval questions?-6.jpgRoval questions?-5.jpg

    thank!

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    2012 Roval SL142+ hub geometry

    I want to build a wheelset based on these hubs, but how do I calculate the spoke length? I do not find any spoke calculator that has these hubs in their database. They are not identical to any DT Swiss straight pull hub as far as I can see. It is difficult to measure the flange distance and in particular the pitch circle diameter.

    So where do I find the necessary geometrical dimensions needed for input to the DT Swiss spoke calculator? (flange distance, pitch circle diameter, spoke recession)

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