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    Rebuild Shimano XTR Disc - WH-M965

    Hi,

    I just want to show of my recently rebuild Shimano XTR wheelset, and tell you how I build it.

    I discovered that the spokes on the wheels had SAP typed on the elbows, and it looked to be regular Sapim Race spokes. I thought, why not replace the heavy Sapim Race spokes with lighter, more aerodynamic and stiffer Sapim CX-Ray spokes. I shaved about 70 gr. of the wheelset, and it looks stunning.

    Has anyone else done this?


    Best regards, Hestesk殤eren
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    Very nice! I'll have to consider doing this to my XTR wheels

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    i have a set the needs major over-haul. my rear rim is bent, and I'd like to replace all the spokes like you did. Should I just take them to my LBS to have them re-built, and will they be able to get the same rim. Or, should I have them re-built on different rims?

    thanks.

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    XTR re-build

    Hi,

    I replaced the spokes myself, but I have some experience in wheelbuilding. It was a little harder to build than a normal wheelset, mostly because the nipples are located at the hub. But other than that it was quite straight forward.

    Oh, the original spokes have some sort of glue or wax that holds a washer that fills the holes in the rim, I removed that with fire. Burned the spoke where it bends and the washer came right of.

    You cannot use any other rims, since the nipples are located at the hub-end og the spokes. So another XTR rim is your only choice, but 1590 gr. for a tubeless disc wheelset, thats not too bad.

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    What length spokes do they use?

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    Spoke length

    Front : 272mm

    Rear : 252mm / 272mm

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    Very informative posting. You should post over on the Save some weight forum. There are folks over there that would appreciate such information.
    Trev!

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    New question here. WH-M959 - can the same be done with them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hestesk殤eren
    Hi,
    I discovered that the spokes on the wheels had SAP typed on the elbows, and it looked to be regular Sapim Race spokes. I thought, why not replace the heavy Sapim Race spokes with lighter, more aerodynamic and stiffer Sapim CX-Ray spokes. I shaved about 70 gr. of the wheelset, and it looks stunning.
    I recently picked up a set of used WH-M959 wheels and a couple of the spokes could stand to be replaced. I am wondering if the same thing could be done with them--they could stand to loose the weight even more than the M965's. Do you have any closer-up pix of either the before or after? Thx.

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    Inspired by you and following your procedure I did the same to my XT (M765) wheels and shaved 60 gr to the front and 58 gr to the rear. Thanks!

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    Where are the pix?

    Quote Originally Posted by hugofabreu
    Inspired by you and following your procedure I did the same to my XT (M765) wheels...
    Where are the pix? We must see pix...

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    Heh... I just took some pix.

    This was my first wheel building... and my spoke keys didn't reach the nipples in the hub, so I did it with a small wrench (and damaged the shine of many nipples).

    I've raced the bike twice and they're still going strong
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    Thx for the pix. What type of spoke did you use?

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    Those are the same strong and light Sapim CX-Ray's as the original poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesteskænderen View Post
    Hi,

    I just want to show of my recently rebuild Shimano XTR wheelset, and tell you how I build it.

    I discovered that the spokes on the wheels had SAP typed on the elbows, and it looked to be regular Sapim Race spokes. I thought, why not replace the heavy Sapim Race spokes with lighter, more aerodynamic and stiffer Sapim CX-Ray spokes. I shaved about 70 gr. of the wheelset, and it looks stunning.

    Has anyone else done this?


    Best regards, Hestesk殤eren
    i want to ask a question?
    how did you apply cx ray spokes to this wheelset?
    i know that head of spokes are different, isn't it?

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    You did see this is a FIVE YEAR OLD THREAD...right?

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    No, they're standard spokes which are mounted upside-down. However, the Shimano wheels had an "adapter" head for each to attach to the rim. I think I used heat to melt the glue to take these adapters off the original spokes and re-use them on Sapim spokes.

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    5 yeras ???

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72 View Post
    You did see this is a FIVE YEAR OLD THREAD...right?
    did you see that??? i took my answer???

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugofabreu View Post
    No, they're standard spokes which are mounted upside-down. However, the Shimano wheels had an "adapter" head for each to attach to the rim. I think I used heat to melt the glue to take these adapters off the original spokes and re-use them on Sapim spokes.
    i'd always wondered, I'm glad to I found out. thanks a lot.
    good bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugofabreu View Post
    No, they're standard spokes which are mounted upside-down. However, the Shimano wheels had an "adapter" head for each to attach to the rim. I think I used heat to melt the glue to take these adapters off the original spokes and re-use them on Sapim spokes.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/attachments/w...5-167_6744.jpg
    This is what I love about this community! Getting an answer after so much time!
    I have the same wheels which I bought only a month ago. They are in perfect shape but this upgrade sounds like a great DIY.

    Does any body know where I can find replacement stickers for these wheels? I was thinking on custom making some at a local vinyl shop if I couldn't fing OEM replacements.
    Since they are only one color it should be easy to have then laser cut from white vinyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablobaq View Post
    This is what I love about this community! Getting an answer after so much time!
    I have the same wheels which I bought only a month ago. They are in perfect shape but this upgrade sounds like a great DIY.

    Does any body know where I can find replacement stickers for these wheels? I was thinking on custom making some at a local vinyl shop if I couldn't fing OEM replacements.
    Since they are only one color it should be easy to have then laser cut from white vinyl.
    i think you can make the stickers according to your bike's colours

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    This is my bike. i rebuild the wheel stickers


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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by matrixod View Post
    This is my bike. i rebuild the wheel stickers

    Wow Matrixod!!!
    those stickers look Siiiiick! where did you get them made? they seem reflective right or is it just the pic? Did you upgrade the spokes too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablobaq View Post
    Wow Matrixod!!!
    those stickers look Siiiiick! where did you get them made? they seem reflective right or is it just the pic? Did you upgrade the spokes too?
    i didn't upgrade the spokes. just only upgrade the stickers to reflective orange according to the bike's colours.

    stickers types are there ,
    http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830608657.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by matrixod View Post
    i didn't upgrade the spokes. just only upgrade the stickers to reflective orange according to the bike's colours.

    stickers types are there ,
    http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830608657.pdf
    Did you buy the OEM ones or you had them made locally? I haven't found a place yet that sells them in the US. How did you get the custom reflective orange?

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