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    Rear hub: Hope Pro II vs. Bulb

    I am about to buy a new set of wheels (DT 5.1. rims and DT competition spokes) and I am not certain which rear hub I should go for. The front hub will be the new Hope Pro II 20mm.

    I am considering the Hope Bulb or the Hope Pro II. Does anyone have experience with the two hubs. What do you recommend?

    Any info is appreciated

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    i've got the bulbs and love them, but i've no experience with the pro ii hubs.

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    I've got several rides on a Pro II rear hub, and I'm perfectly happy with it. 'Cept it's loud as a biznitch, but the Bulb is probably the same way. Actually, I like the noise, but it is rather loud.

    From what little I know, the Bulb is just heavier-duty version of the Pro II.

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    Bulb has 36 points of engagement per rev. Pro II only has 24 points. Probably won't make a huge difference unless you ratchet a lot to clear your pedals over rough terrain or do a lot of pedal kicks to hop stuff on the trail.

    The Pro II is lighter at around 300 g or so while the Bulb is a fairly average weight around 375 g IIRC. But it was built for more DH / FR abuse allegedly. I went with the Bulb in the end for more enagement and beef over weight shavings. I'm sure either would be fine for all-mountain.

    Oh - and a few places like PricePoint still have inventory on the Bulb at clearance prices. Good deals to be had!

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    The Bulbs also have a Ti cassette body, while the Pro IIs have a steel cassette body.

    Despite this, the Pro IIs are still substantially lighter (as noted by earlier posts)..

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    Isn't the Pro II cassette body made of aluminum alloy?

    (meant as a repy to marcu's post...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ-X
    Isn't the Pro II cassette body made of aluminum alloy?

    (meant as a repy to marcu's post...)
    That's correct, ProII has an aluminum cassette body, Bulb has Ti, the XC has steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quercus agrifolia
    I've got several rides on a Pro II rear hub, and I'm perfectly happy with it. 'Cept it's loud as a biznitch, but the Bulb is probably the same way. Actually, I like the noise, but it is rather loud.
    I'll second that. I run a Hope Pro II SS rear hub on my 29er. It's the loudest thing I've ever heard. I would say 2-3 times louder than a Chris King or Hadley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubjay
    I'll second that. I run a Hope Pro II SS rear hub on my 29er. It's the loudest thing I've ever heard. I would say 2-3 times louder than a Chris King or Hadley.
    Does the noise dissipate after a whilel?

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    Is it a really annoying noise, or just an audible click? Or is it more of a "whine" like a bunch of angry bees similar to Chris Kings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    Is it a really annoying noise, or just an audible click? Or is it more of a "whine" like a bunch of angry bees similar to Chris Kings?
    It's similar to the whine of the Chris Kings - but louder. Maybe like a baseball card in your spokes?

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    I find the Kings to be annoying. Kinda sucks cuz I thought the Hopes might be good quality and an alternative to the Kings but I was hoping they would sound different.

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    Hope XC rear

    I have the hope XC rear... really like it. Not light by any means @ 385g, and the engagement is not as snappy as the bulbs, but it is significantly better (noticeable) over the XT it replaced. Pair that with replaceable sealed bearings, better (more durable cassette body), lots of cool colors to choose from, and only $129 and I would say you have a winner.

    I just got a pair of 5.1d to Hope XC front and rear. The rim and hubs are both impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubjay
    It's similar to the whine of the Chris Kings - but louder. Maybe like a baseball card in your spokes?
    I'll second that - a friend who has a pair of Bulbs likens it to the sound of a fishing reel..

    re - my earlier post and the steel/ti cassette body confusion - apologies - I was getting the XC and Pro II hubs confuzzled. The XC hub has a steel cassette body as standard, but has a ti option..
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    you might want to look into Hadley Hubs....top notch company
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    Egg-zactly!

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus_dukakis
    ...a friend who has a pair of Bulbs likens it to the sound of a fishing reel...
    That's the sound exactly! I knew I had heard a similar sound before, and that be it.

    The sound might soften a bit over time, or you could perhaps shove some grease into the freehub mechanism to quiet it down.

    But I think I'll just live with a loud-azz hub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quercus agrifolia
    ...or you could perhaps shove some grease into the freehub mechanism to quiet it down...
    Not a good idea. The grease can collect gunk and eventually cause the pawls to skip.
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    I've got Pro IIs

    I like them, have about 6 rides on them. They really roll fast, but they do buzz like a fishing reel. I fish so don't mind it. It is a slightly different tone from Kings tho.

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    How does the XC sound compared to the Pro II and Bulb? (I have a set on order laced to DT swiss enduro 540s.) Is it as loud and buzzy?

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    enduro

    that was my second choice over the 5.1d... unfortunately I didn't find anywhere that had all the parts I wanted and I ended up putting up the $$$ for the 5.1s (I was being pick on color... I figure if I do this dream bike thing only once, I might as well do it right.)

    I have yet to get a solid enough ride on them to really evaluate them, but just freewheeling the spinning the rear wheel in the garage, there is def an audible (quite pleasant) sound. Def not in the same league as the "angry bee" king racket though.

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    I bought the Hope Pro II and so far I am quite pleased with them and yes they are quite noisy but not in a bad way

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    Quote Originally Posted by mp29k
    that was my second choice over the 5.1d... unfortunately I didn't find anywhere that had all the parts I wanted and I ended up putting up the $$$ for the 5.1s (I was being pick on color... I figure if I do this dream bike thing only once, I might as well do it right.)

    I have yet to get a solid enough ride on them to really evaluate them, but just freewheeling the spinning the rear wheel in the garage, there is def an audible (quite pleasant) sound. Def not in the same league as the "angry bee" king racket though.
    I got mine from Chain Reaction Cycles for about $280. I haven't heard much at all about the enduros, so I'm hoping they work out well. I am not hard on rims, and they seemed to be a decent weight and width, so I think I'll be happy with 'em. One thing I couldn't find anywhere and forgot to ask CRC-- do you happen to know the valve type on this rim? I assume it's presta?
    Good to know about the sound. I'm not very finicky about drivetrain noise so I'm sure I'll be indifferent to it. I am looking forward to the quicker engagement, though. Especially compared to my current squeaky, worn-out, shimano hubs.

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    I am assuminb presta...

    my 5.1s are presta

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    Bulbs and XCs now 21 point engagement?

    On Hope's website, it looks like they reduced the engagement points of the new Bulbs (previously 36) and XCs (previously 24) to 21 points with 3 pawls... Has any one received these "new" versions? I was about to get some bulbs, but now there does seem to be very much difference compared to the XCs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsF
    On Hope's website, it looks like they reduced the engagement points of the new Bulbs (previously 36) and XCs (previously 24) to 21 points with 3 pawls... Has any one received these "new" versions? I was about to get some bulbs, but now there does seem to be very much difference compared to the XCs...
    I think that's just a mistake on the website. I've never gotten any Bulbs in that were less than 36pt (and I've gotten some recently).

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    Pro 2 engagement...

    From what I was told/read, the Pro2's have 48 pt engagement. They've got 4 pawls, on 24 pts, but the 4 are offset, making only 2 engage at a time. I have not verified nor have I seen these hubs. Just something I read about them and am debating getting them for a future rear wheel.

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    I have a set of PRO 2 hubs with dt4.1 rims and they are sweet. They sound like a fishing reel, kind of a coarse buzz, I don't mind it . They roll nice and are light. I have had no problems but have only done 200 m or so on them. Has anyone serviced the freewheel mech on these? I have looked at the instructions for rear hub service on the website but upon removing the outer spacer there is a bearing there that needs to come out before accessing the snapring?

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    Mistake...

    I'm mistaken on the engagement points. The 48 pt engagement is for the Pro II TRIALS hub, NOT the Pro II disc/XC use hub. The Trials hub has the 24 pts, and 4 pawls with 2 offset, making the 48 pts. The standard hub is just the 24...or at least that's what I've read. Sorry for the confusion and the mis-information.

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    Does the mistake carry through with the Hope XC hubs?
    Or are they really 21 pt engagement?

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    As for the Hope XC hubs, I have no idea what the engagement is. I know the website says 21. For the Pro 2 hubs, they website says 24, and they are 24. That's all. Sorry I can't be more help.

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    Hmmm, im thinking about getting some new Hope hubs, the Pro 11's look great, but previously (limited) experience has steered me away from Aluminum Cassette body's.

    How durable are the Pro 11s cassette body?

    And for that matter, is the ti on the Bulbs better?

    I have a Sram pg980 cassette, so it has an alloy spider, and they will be going on a 5 inch trailbike.
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    No more Bulb

    Go to the Hope website.. the Bulb is disscontinued..
    The Pro2 has aluminum FW body..
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    Alum vs. Ti
    Ti is heavier than alum.
    Ti is stronger than alum.
    Ti is lighter than steel
    Ti is almost as strong as steel

    FW body
    since the FW body is a casting with things attached to the inside, not a stamping, the Ti will come out as heavier than an alum one but lighter than a steel one..

    If you could stamp one out of Ti and it was just a thin "shell" it would be lighter

    With HPerf FW's like the S990, the FW has an alum spider.. all but the 3 smallest sprockets are mounted on this spider.. large area, no wear on an an alum. hub..
    Even a steel spider has at least 5 of the bigges sprockets mounted on it..still little wear

    If all the FW gears were mounted seperately on the FW body (very early Shimano) then there might be some concern for wear, since they are not, it is not an issue...

    Aluminum is lighter and a better choice. for 98% of HD uses
    For absolute max strength, and a slight saving in weight over steel, a Ti casting would be better.. (used in the Big thingie Hope they sell)

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    Cool-blue Rhythm addendum

    Use the UK Hope website link.. more info, company info, and better listing of the Pro 2..all the hubs actually, material, weights and stuff.

    http://www.hopegb.com/

    This site shows the hubs in all their colors..and some internal pictures of the hub

    http://tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?id=371

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danish Dynamite
    I am about to buy a new set of wheels (DT 5.1. rims and DT competition spokes) and I am not certain which rear hub I should go for. The front hub will be the new Hope Pro II 20mm.

    I am considering the Hope Bulb or the Hope Pro II. Does anyone have experience with the two hubs. What do you recommend?

    Any info is appreciated
    I have PRO II's on DT 5.1 rims with the DT competition spokes. I've been riding them hard for about 4 months with no issues. They are loud...louder than a King, but it isn't the oscillating buzz of a King. The Pro II's have more of a discernible snap as the Pawls click through the rachet. Also if it makes any difference they are stupidly easy to service

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    I've got about 100 miles on mine so far and love it. If you can get over the FH noise, you'll love it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilBkr
    I have PRO II's on DT 5.1 rims with the DT competition spokes. I've been riding them hard for about 4 months with no issues. They are loud...louder than a King, but it isn't the oscillating buzz of a King. The Pro II's have more of a discernible snap as the Pawls click through the rachet. Also if it makes any difference they are stupidly easy to service
    I'm realy dissapointed to see that they went with individual pawl springs instead of the external retaining clip style like Hadley uses. It still looks like the pawls can slip out of their journals.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm external retaining clip style like Hadley uses.

    Better reconsider that..
    Hadley has stopped production, the distributors have stopped carring them and other problems because of a huge amount of freewheel failures...
    That is from last week.. Don't know when he will get it fixed...Doesn't answer the phone...
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    Hope has answered EVERY e-mail request I have sent for information within one-day, sometimes within the hour.. GREAT customer service

    Wish their hubs looked better, kind of generic, but the Red ones are my choice...and boy are they light..(almost went with the Gunmetal..matches my frame)

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    Quote Originally Posted by theProfessor
    Better reconsider that..
    Hadley has stopped production, the distributors have stopped carring them and other problems because of a huge amount of freewheel failures...
    That is from last week.. Don't know when he will get it fixed...Doesn't answer the phone...
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    Hope has answered EVERY e-mail request I have sent for information within one-day, sometimes within the hour.. GREAT customer service

    Wish their hubs looked better, kind of generic, but the Red ones are my choice...and boy are they light..(almost went with the Gunmetal..matches my frame)
    Where did you hear this?? They haven't stopped production. Which distributors have stopped carrying them? It's already fixed, and only affected the 108pt hubs (which they are no longer making, far as I know none of the 72pt have had problems).

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Only stock-on hand

    I was told about two or thre-weeks ago, when I went to order some...ended up with Hope.. I see as of right now, BTI has re-listed them... they were NOT listed last week.(BIT is a major distributor) so he might have fixed them and caught up

    I do believe all the hubs were "recalled" to repair them

    This info came from two major sellers of Hadley (and other) products.. Like I say, it might not be valid now

    I do know that Hadley has a rep. as being "very-difficult-to-deal-with"... but he does deliver on time, and stands by his stuff.. (its a bit heavy).. and fixes any problem you might have...

    Unlike Alabs who is great to work with but can't deliver his products..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    Is it a really annoying noise, or just an audible click? Or is it more of a "whine" like a bunch of angry bees similar to Chris Kings?
    I would say it's a loud clicking, very loud. However, I do not think it whines in the least. It's just very loud ticking that is annoying to some. I think if you search youtube people have actually taken video of CK, Hope, Hadley, I9, etc. noise.
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    I've got about a half-year on my Pro II's now. Yes they are loud...but I wouldn't compare it to the fishing reels I've heard. I think the closest thing I can think of to compare it to is if you tapped marbles together.

    The Pro II's have an aluminum FW body, but if you use a full carrier cassette (i.e. Shimano XT or similar) you shouldn't have any issues with it at all. They are only 24 pt for engagement, but you get 4 pawls engaging at each of those points...very solid.
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    Just how bad would a non-carrier cassette be for a few hundred miles (once I get the hubs) until I get the cash for 9 speed?

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    wow this thread is from 2 years ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by comptiger5000
    Just how bad would a non-carrier cassette be for a few hundred miles (once I get the hubs) until I get the cash for 9 speed?
    Depends on how many miles and how hard you ride. You may mark the body of the FW if you're not using a carrier cassette.
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    Yeah, all it takes is a bump from someone and people get back into it....Hopes are a hub that generates a fair bit of discussion, so I'm not surprised.
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    Regarding the sound, here is a video clip a buddy took in Fruita. You can hear the Hope Pro 2 SS hub in action in this flyby.

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    Yeah, it's always someone asking how loud they are or "can I stick X in the free wheel to quiet them down". Anyway, regardless of the noise, they are a great hub. Solid, well built, and possibly the easiest rear hub on the planet to service.

    In Regards to the carrier. Hope has a steel carrier available for Pro 2's now. I think it's pretty pricey though. I'll see if I can find a link. --Mark

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    The steel carrier is $85 bucks at Chain Reaction in the UK.

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=25986

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    Quote Originally Posted by comptiger5000
    Just how bad would a non-carrier cassette be for a few hundred miles (once I get the hubs) until I get the cash for 9 speed?
    I put about 30 miles on my aluminum FW body before I switched to a splined cassette (sram pg990). The body was already starting to get marred from the old cassette.

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    ok so i have a strange question, if i have hope hubs i bought on a used bike how can i tell if i have the bulb or the pro 2's?

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