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    Pacenti TL28*29er

    Just received these to replace the 355s on my Industry 9 Ultralites. Ordered them on Thursday and they were on my porch the following Tuesday. I should have them laced up and get a ride in on them this weekend.






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    Sweet!. I am going be ordering a couple pairs in the coming weeks. Please post a review once you get them laced up.
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    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on these rims.

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    Me too. These should be a massive hit if the durability is decent.

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    The look awesome, I looking forward to seeing long term durability and ease of tubeless setup.

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    Ordered a set of Pacenti TL28 with Hadley hubs 29er wheelset. Should get it in a few weeks. Hope the rims are at least as durable as the Arch.

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    Couple rides on my front rim. Much stiffer than a crest, which is what I was looking for.

    But I have crazy clicking from the joint sleeve of the rim moving around, like a mavic reflex from back in the day times five. I am going to drip some glue in there eventually to stick it down, I would advise this as a preventative measure when building up a wheel.

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    Building the wheels up couldn't have been easier.

    Mounting a Rocket Ron 2.25 up front went smoothly and probably could have used a floor pump. Mounting an Ikon 3C EXC (Non EXO) on the rear was a bit more difficult since the Ikon has very flexible sidewalls and beads. I had put a tube in it first and leave one bead in place so that I only had to get the one bead in place with air. I finally got it to pop in place to realize I mounted it backwards, duh. Since I had the Ikon off, I decided to try a Bontrager XDX TLR 2.1. The bonty aired right up, no problem. I reinstalled the Ikon and added sealant to get both wheels ready for this weekend. Neither tire lost any air overnight but they were both partially sealed from previous use. If the Ikon gives me issues I am going to have to find a new rear tire because I am sure its not the rim fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilarider View Post
    Couple rides on my front rim. Much stiffer than a crest, which is what I was looking for.

    But I have crazy clicking from the joint sleeve of the rim moving around, like a mavic reflex from back in the day times five. I am going to drip some glue in there eventually to stick it down, I would advise this as a preventative measure when building up a wheel.
    Is this normal? Bad? I don't think I have heard of this happening before.
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    1st ride update coming shortly, otw home from the trail.


    Simonns,
    I had this problem with the stans 355s I replaced, drove me bonkers. I looked it up and it seems to have been common with earlier stans and the recommended fix was to drip some glue in at the rim seam to hold it. Its not structural, its just there to hold the 2 ends of the rim in place for welding.

    I do not have any noises coming from my Pacenti's and I didn't do anything to mine. Time will tell but, I don't think it will be an issue.
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    This is my first review so bare with me and feel free to ask any questions.

    I'm using these on a Scott Scale Elite (L) with a Reba RL and Shimano QR skewers.

    I set these Pacenti's up tubeless with Stan's 25mm tape, just like I have with the Stan's and Sun Ringle wheels I have. I weigh 180lbs so, I set the front Rocket Ron at 24psi and the rear Ikon at 27psi and hit the trail, I will drop the pressures some on the next ride. My first impression was that the bike felt more lively and in contact with the ground. Rolling over roots and through ruts that ran along with the trail I didn't notice and flex or feel pushed off track, the wheels held their ground. On a few 1-2 foot drop off I hurdled off of the landings were secure even when it was a bit sideways. This is when I was expecting a burp or squirm from the tires but nothing of that nature happened.

    High speed cornering, the wheels tracked right over any rocks or roots that were in my line and no deflection was noticed. I used to feel the rear wheel quiver coming out of fast turns but not anymore, not with these rims.

    Overall, I am impressed and glad I bought these despite the lack of info and reviews. The 355s these replaced had hairline cracks around a few nipple holes that were hard to spot behind the rims stickers. The TL28 has eyelets so that isn't going to be an issue now. I added 70 grams total to my Industry 9 Ultralite wheelset and it was worth every bit of it. The added stiffness and width nullify the weight that was added by a long shot. I guess they are not technically Ultralites any longer but they are stout everything I wanted in a wheelset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrecklessREX View Post




    This is my first review so bare with me and feel free to ask any questions.

    I'm using these on a Scott Scale Elite (L) with a Reba RL and Shimano QR skewers.

    I set these Pacenti's up tubeless with Stan's 25mm tape, just like I have with the Stan's and Sun Ringle wheels I have. I weigh 180lbs so, I set the front Rocket Ron at 24psi and the rear Ikon at 27psi and hit the trail, I will drop the pressures some on the next ride. My first impression was that the bike felt more lively and in contact with the ground. Rolling over roots and through ruts that ran along with the trail I didn't notice and flex or feel pushed off track, the wheels held their ground. On a few 1-2 foot drop off I hurdled off of the landings were secure even when it was a bit sideways. This is when I was expecting a burp or squirm from the tires but nothing of that nature happened.

    High speed cornering, the wheels tracked right over any rocks or roots that were in my line and no deflection was noticed. I used to feel the rear wheel quiver coming out of fast turns but not anymore, not with these rims.

    Overall, I am impressed and glad I bought these despite the lack of info and reviews. The 355s these replaced had hairline cracks around a few nipple holes that were hard to spot behind the rims stickers. The TL28 has eyelets so that isn't going to be an issue now. I added 70 grams total to my Industry 9 Ultralite wheelset and it was worth every bit of it. The added stiffness and width nullify the weight that was added by a long shot. I guess they are not technically Ultralites any longer but they are stout everything I wanted in a wheelset.

    Great review, thanks for that!
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    Yes, thanks for the review. I'm considering these in the 650b size vs Stan's Crest rims. I like the fact that they have eyelets. Anyone know the recommended spoke tension?

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    Kirk recommended a tension of 100kgf for the 26" rim. I don't know if it would be the same for the bigger hoops though

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    That seems low?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrecklessREX View Post




    This is my first review so bare with me and feel free to ask any questions.

    I'm using these on a Scott Scale Elite (L) with a Reba RL and Shimano QR skewers.

    I set these Pacenti's up tubeless with Stan's 25mm tape, just like I have with the Stan's and Sun Ringle wheels I have. I weigh 180lbs so, I set the front Rocket Ron at 24psi and the rear Ikon at 27psi and hit the trail, I will drop the pressures some on the next ride. My first impression was that the bike felt more lively and in contact with the ground. Rolling over roots and through ruts that ran along with the trail I didn't notice and flex or feel pushed off track, the wheels held their ground. On a few 1-2 foot drop off I hurdled off of the landings were secure even when it was a bit sideways. This is when I was expecting a burp or squirm from the tires but nothing of that nature happened.

    High speed cornering, the wheels tracked right over any rocks or roots that were in my line and no deflection was noticed. I used to feel the rear wheel quiver coming out of fast turns but not anymore, not with these rims.

    Overall, I am impressed and glad I bought these despite the lack of info and reviews. The 355s these replaced had hairline cracks around a few nipple holes that were hard to spot behind the rims stickers. The TL28 has eyelets so that isn't going to be an issue now. I added 70 grams total to my Industry 9 Ultralite wheelset and it was worth every bit of it. The added stiffness and width nullify the weight that was added by a long shot. I guess they are not technically Ultralites any longer but they are stout everything I wanted in a wheelset.
    Thank you for the great review. I have an I9 Enduro wheelset being built with these rims. They should be here in a few weeks. Just curious about the spoke tension you used. What is it at with the I9 aluminum spokes?
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    That's what I thought also, but he confirmed the numbers. I was going to lace them at a higher tension, but he recommended against it. I have not built them yet though...been too busy.

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    indyfab25,

    100kgf is right on with I9s build up and retensioning instructions.

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    I put another great ride in on my wheels. Its nice to not have to baby my wheels any more. I used to blame the 9mm QR for being flexy but, all that is gone with the new rims and they are the only change I made. I got on the scale yesterday and I weigh 190lbs even, in my PJs. I guess I have been in denial since the holidays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrecklessREX View Post
    indyfab25,

    100kgf is right on with I9s build up and retensioning instructions.

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    I put another great ride in on my wheels. Its nice to not have to baby my wheels any more. I used to blame the 9mm QR for being flexy but, all that is gone with the new rims and they are the only change I made. I got on the scale yesterday and I weigh 190lbs even, in my PJs. I guess I have been in denial since the holidays.
    I9s spokes are round aluminum 2.54mm correct? According the Park conversion table that equates to a reading of 18 on the Park tensiometer. I9s recommendation would be off the chart for that spoke. I am probably missing something here and very confused. Just trying to noodle through it...
    I just read the I9 manual again...seems their spokes are very unique.
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    I9 has different spokes for the different wheelsets but each listed with the park tension meters reading.

    It is 27-28 on the park tension meter. I'm not a pro wheelbuilder at all but it was fairly easy following the I9s manuals.

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    Gotcha. Thanks!
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    What material does the rim use? If it's anything like the Velocity P35's then I think it would be too soft for my tastes.

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    They are made by Sun if I am not mistaken. They should not be like Velocity rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrecklessREX View Post
    It is 27-28 on the park tension meter.
    That sounds about right, not low by any means. I've got an I9 Enduro/355 29" wheelset and that's as high as I go on the tension. I take it the TL28 has the same ERD as the 355 so it was an easy swap?

    That extra 4mm inner rim width must really make a difference- the 2.25 Rocket Rons look nice and plump in the pics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e View Post
    That sounds about right, not low by any means. I've got an I9 Enduro/355 29" wheelset and that's as high as I go on the tension. I take it the TL28 has the same ERD as the 355 so it was an easy swap?

    That extra 4mm inner rim width must really make a difference- the 2.25 Rocket Rons look nice and plump in the pics!
    Same ERD as the 355, 604mm. I don't think it could've been easier! On spoke removal of the 355s I had to work a few spokes back and forth to break them loose to keep from twisting them to much. I also set each spoke down in the order they came out so that I could put them back in the same holes on the hub that they came out of. Probably an unnecessary step. Other than those two things I followed I9s lace up and build up manual which, I basicly had memorized by the time I ordered the rims.

    The extra 4mm in width was the main reason I started looking at the Pacenti. Flow width and lighter that the arch! The extra comfort and traction is there for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrecklessREX View Post
    Same ERD as the 355, 604mm. I don't think it could've been easier! On spoke removal of the 355s I had to work a few spokes back and forth to break them loose to keep from twisting them to much. I also set each spoke down in the order they came out so that I could put them back in the same holes on the hub that they came out of. Probably an unnecessary step. Other than those two things I followed I9s lace up and build up manual which, I basicly had memorized by the time I ordered the rims.

    The extra 4mm in width was the main reason I started looking at the Pacenti. Flow width and lighter that the arch! The extra comfort and traction is there for sure.
    My thoughts as well. I get the sense that the I9 wheels would make the rims feel stiffer than they really are. I was hoping, anyway. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfab25 View Post
    My thoughts as well. I get the sense that the I9 wheels would make the rims feel stiffer than they really are. I was hoping, anyway. Thoughts?
    I think it makes the I9s feel as stiff as they really are. The 355s always felt flexy and it wasn't until I got my Sun Ringle Charger Experts for my rigid SS that I realized how stiff wheels should feel. I remember when I bought my I9s, the mechanic said the wheels would be stiff enough and I wouldn't need to upgrade to a thru axle. It wasn't till I laced up the TL28 and hit the trail that I actually felt that way. I'm sure some of that feeling has to do with the width of the rim keeping the tires more stable and resisting squirm but, that's exactly what I was looking for in a lighter weight rim than the flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CupOfJava View Post
    What material does the rim use? If it's anything like the Velocity P35's then I think it would be too soft for my tastes.
    Are Velocity rims softer than Stan's? And by soft, do you mean able to be dented or develop flat spots? What do those manuf.'s use in comparison to Pacenti/Sun (are we talking 7000 vs 6000 series alloy)?

    If the Pacenti's are softer than Stan's, that'd be a deal breaker. I haven't had any issues developing cracks at the nipple holes, but I do get a lot of flat spots on my Stan's (Arches and Flows).
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    Well the P35's I have are noticeably softer than my Stans. I'm not sure how to describe the feel, but if you tap on the rims you'll notice a very light hollow feeling as opposed to a more solid dense feel from Stans and other rims I've used.

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    I can confirm the difference between the Stan's and Velocity's - I built a Velocity DYAD for my commuter bike and can feel/hear that the material is not as dense as the Arch and Flow I have. But I haven't rocked it enough yet to weigh in on it's durability (although that's what I bought it for). There also seems to be more of a grain to the Velocity DYAD? This may just be because it's not anodized...
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    Both Stans and Pacenti use 6061 alloy and both have it stated right on the wheels stickers. Not sure what Velocity uses?

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    I see that the new WTB Frequency rims use a 7000 series aluminum alloy, so they should be "harder" than these rims. I think of 7000 series aluminum frames as being able to be lighter than 6000 series, but maybe in rim extrusions there are different considerations?
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    I just received my wheels built up with TL28 hoops.
    Front American Classic 15mm hub: 790g
    Rear DT240s: 920g
    Weight includes stans tape, valves, DT Swiss 2.0/1.8 spokes and alloy nips.
    I'll post up thoughts after I ride them this weekend - comparing to my old wheels, Flow front (20mm) and Arch rear.

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    29er TL28's on there way. I'll post lots of tire comparison pics against the ZTR Crest, and rim comparisons once I get them built up, and of course a review!
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    where did people get the idea that 100kgf is low?

    those rims look nice. they seem to fill a pretty sweet niche with wide+light, if the tubelessness werx
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    I have a few hundred miles on mine and still haven't burped a tire yet. Using stan's yellow tape and valves. I was only easy on them for the first few miles and now I hit 2-3' drops to flat without worry. I pulled the tires off and remounted them and the ikon that was difficult to air up the first time aired much easier the this go around. They have been holding up great for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrecklessREX View Post
    I have a few hundred miles on mine and still haven't burped a tire yet. Using stan's yellow tape and valves. I was only easy on them for the first few miles and now I hit 2-3' drops to flat without worry. I pulled the tires off and remounted them and the ikon that was difficult to air up the first time aired much easier the this go around. They have been holding up great for me.
    Great to hear, mine just arrived in the mail yesterday and they look pretty nice. Just waiting on spokes and valves to come in the mail and then it will be time to start building!!

    Edit: the weights are 440 and 442
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    Quote Originally Posted by flash278 View Post
    I just received my wheels built up with TL28 hoops.
    Front American Classic 15mm hub: 790g
    Rear DT240s: 920g
    Weight includes stans tape, valves, DT Swiss 2.0/1.8 spokes and alloy nips.
    I'll post up thoughts after I ride them this weekend - comparing to my old wheels, Flow front (20mm) and Arch rear.
    Weights sound about right when cross referenced to the weight of the American Classic 29er AM wheelset, similar build to yours.

    I've been scouring the internet for some good reviews of these new Pacenti TL28 rims and am subscribed to this thread. Trying to decide between building a set of wheels with these rims and the Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs, or just getting a set of the American Classic 29er AM wheels. The American Classic rims sound similar to the Pacenti TL28, but I have some concerns about the durability of the super light American Classic hubs.

    Subscribed to this thread and eagerly awaiting some good, honest reviews after some hard trail riding.

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    I really like mine. Only a week on them but with I9s they are stiff, light and wide. I have Bontrager rim strips in them for bomber tubeless.
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    I was hoping to have a better review by now, but unfortunately I only have about 50 miles on them - 30ish on mostly buff single track and 20ish on night rides.

    I am happy with them so far though. They are lighter than the Flow/Arch combo they replaced and are just as stiff. Ultimately time will tell how the hold up.

    FWIW, the reputable builder was impressed with their width to weight ratio and how well the tension balanced out.

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    How does the stiffness of these compare with the original Stans Arch? Thanks!

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    Hey guys, did a write up on my Pacenti TL28 build. Check it out, ride review to come.

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    Clicking sound at joint

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilarider View Post
    Couple rides on my front rim. Much stiffer than a crest, which is what I was looking for.

    But I have crazy clicking from the joint sleeve of the rim moving around, like a mavic reflex from back in the day times five. I am going to drip some glue in there eventually to stick it down, I would advise this as a preventative measure when building up a wheel.
    Gilarider - I too have a TL28 rim with a loose pin inside the joint. I have not yet built the rim but can shake the rim and hear it rattle around. I can see how this would be pretty annoying to ride with. I have heard this does not effect the rim structurally as the pin is just there to align the rim for welding. Can you tell me how you got some glue into the joint and were you successful in stopping the noise? Thanks for you help ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbf View Post
    Gilarider - I too have a TL28 rim with a loose pin inside the joint. I have not yet built the rim but can shake the rim and hear it rattle around. I can see how this would be pretty annoying to ride with. I have heard this does not effect the rim structurally as the pin is just there to align the rim for welding. Can you tell me how you got some glue into the joint and were you successful in stopping the noise? Thanks for you help ...
    Bummer about the noise. It is a little thing, but it used to drive me crazy on my old Mavic rims. Let us know how the fix goes.

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    I have the loose pin too, sadly enough it has happened to all my wheels on 3 different bike! Crests, Sun Ringle Chargers and now the Pacentis. The Sun Ringles are the worst as they rattle over bumps even when turning at speed but the Pacenti's only do it during slow rotation and only really notice when walking the bike.

    The stans fix for the loose pin is to drip some glue through the nipple holes inside the rim cavity on each side of the rim joint. Post #8 in this thread Clicking In Stans ZTR Rim I am waiting till I pull the tires on my wheels since I don't want to have to do it just because of the damn sleeve! I think I am going to use gorilla tape instead of stans tape because of the price difference and the fact that I 3 different wheelsets to do. Some luck, huh.

    Also, finally burped a tire on my Pacenti's, I knew it wasn't impossible. It was during a race after a climb and I was just focused on regaining my momentum while navigating through some 1ft sized rocks. I hit a sharp edged rock > square with my front tire and watched the sealant spray out for a split second. It didn't lose much if any pressure though and never had another issue the rest of the day. Its about time to replace the RoRo up front anyways as the sidewalls weep and weep and weep. The Ikon exc in the rear has been flawless, no burps, doesn't weep and will probably be what I replace the RoRo with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbf View Post
    Gilarider - I too have a TL28 rim with a loose pin inside the joint. I have not yet built the rim but can shake the rim and hear it rattle around. I can see how this would be pretty annoying to ride with. I have heard this does not effect the rim structurally as the pin is just there to align the rim for welding. Can you tell me how you got some glue into the joint and were you successful in stopping the noise? Thanks for you help ...
    I am pretty sure I used red loctite dripped in through the inside nipple hole. Works so far.

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    I'm having a pair of these laced to Hope pro 2 evo hubs, SS rear, DT comp spokes. I'd seen them in person in 650b and they looked like quality rims. Same builder as my friend's 650b set. I can't wait!

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    What happened to the 29" rims on the bikelugs.com website? Only the 26" and 650b rims are now listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiloman View Post
    What happened to the 29" rims on the bikelugs.com website? Only the 26" and 650b rims are now listed.
    They were on there only a few days ago, must be low or out of stock. Other sites have them in stock.

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