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    I don't know about alternative greases and can't recommend or endorse the ones you've listed. I wouldn't risk it over $28.


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    Thank you Jim!

    Now that we know it shouldn't contain solid additives, and in accordance with DIN 51502, the Kluber Isoflex LDS 18 Special A grease designation would be KE 2 K-50, or KPE 2 K-50, and we could be looking for a similar grease by designation without letter F in between the first K and the consistency grade digit, NLGI grade of 1 to 2, and just as low or lower service temperature bound.

    Substitute greases could then be the likes of:
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    I wouldn't risk it either. It's only for when the choice is between one of these or a general purpose grease from auto supply store.
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    A buddy sent his Nox Teo w/Onyx hub through my little garage workshop for a pre-ride check and tubeless setup w/CushCore install.

    He wanted me to see just how "instant" Onyx was. Going by just the freehub, it definitely was instant, but I wanted to see just how instant it was on the bike with it in the granny gear. Also, it seemed as quiet and smooth as a lightly dragging brake rotor. He said that he expected it to break in... I'm going to remain skeptical until it's all assembled on his bike.

    Anyone know what version he got based on the outside appearance? All I know is that it's black, 12x142, and XD. I don't know if it's the 1 and 1/2 sprag lightweight version or not.

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    Those are the dee-luxe original version, the lightweights have not been released yet.

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    I was going to service my Onyx hubs, but after I pulled the drive-side bearing, I realized I own an older model Onyx hub where the sprag sits in a sleeve that has to be pressed in and out, and all bearings come out the drive side.

    I called Onyx to confirm the procedure and ask what tools are typically used for the sleeve removal, and it sounded like I'd need more specialized tools than a slide hammer. However, Onyx said they'd service the hub free of charge provided I pay shipping both ways. You have to unlace the hub, of course, but I thought that was pretty awesome.

    Also, Onyx sells the Kluber LDS liquid gold stuff in service-size packets of 2g for $5.

    I decided not to try different lubes since I don't have any non-lubricating greases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalgorn View Post

    I decided not to try different lubes since I don't have any non-lubricating greases.
    What?

    Non-lubricating grease?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    What?

    Non-lubricating grease?
    That's correct. If you read Jim's reply, it matches what Onyx customer service told me over the phone. What makes the required grease special is that it doesn't lubricate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalgorn View Post
    That's correct. If you read Jim's reply, it matches what Onyx customer service told me over the phone. What makes the required grease special is that it doesn't lubricate.
    Grease lubricates by nature, this grease is special because it does not contain any friction modifiers which would make the sprags too slippery to function as designed.

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    I get the importance of semantics. I'm just relaying the verbiage used by the CS rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalgorn View Post
    I decided not to try different lubes since I don't have any non-lubricating greases.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    What?

    Non-lubricating grease?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalgorn View Post
    That's correct. If you read Jim's reply, it matches what Onyx customer service told me over the phone. What makes the required grease special is that it doesn't lubricate.
    Kluber Isoflex LDS 18 Special A grease is a lubricating grease that does not contain modifiers such as PTFE or graphite. It is still an approved bearing grease that lubricates.

    Jim's comment and reference said nothing about the specified grease being 'non-lubricating'. That would entirely defeat the purpose. It needs to lubricate to do its job. He stated that Kluber did not contain added modifiers such as PTFE to make it too slick.

    This isn't a semantics argument.
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    The mythical non-lubricating grease... going to tell this to one of my ride buddies that often has issues with creaking bits on his Cannondale. "Just slather non-lubricating grease on everything. You cannot be sure that it's not something like your disc brakes that is causing those creaks. It's safe for them since it's non-lubricating. It's like lotion, but for metal; it reconditions the surface to ideal conditions!"

    Might work as well as the blinker fluid gag. People must not want to run out of it, considering their blinker etiquette on the road, not using it for right hand turns or using it minimally when changing lanes (if at all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    This isn't a semantics argument.
    Minimally lubricating? Non-slick? Call it what you want, be as much of a turd as you want, but again, I'm just parroting what their customer service rep said. I'm not a grease expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalgorn View Post
    I'm not a grease expert.
    I think most here will agree with you on that statement.
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    Saw the Kluber Isoflex LDS 18 on Amazon for $45.99 for a 2 oz tube. Now that would service many hubs for longer than I'm going to be alive, so I was wondering if it would also be a suitable grease for the pivot bearings & bottom bracket bearings on my Hightower. Any suggestions?

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    WLB,
    for these (especially linkage pivot bearings, also headset bearings) you may want something with a higher base oil viscosity, and with solid additives. Depending on your typical weather, possibly also something that says waterproof in description, or low temperature, or both.

    For instance, check out greases for Rzeppa type constant-velocity joints. These are not exotic because they are routinely used on cars.



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    The bike industry is expert at taking common industrial products and re-packaging them in smaller quantities for marked-up resale. Bearings, lubes, seals, suspension fluid, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho View Post
    WLB,
    for these (especially linkage pivot bearings, also headset bearings) you may want something with a higher base oil viscosity, and with solid additives. Depending on your typical weather, possibly also something that says waterproof in description, or low temperature, or both.

    For instance, check out greases for Rzeppa type constant-velocity joints. These are not exotic because they are routinely used on cars..................
    Yeah, thats kind of what i was thinking too. Already have some ordinary marine grade type non lithium grease to use for bearings & stuff, just need to grab a small tube of the Kluber for the occasional hub service.

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    Is there a way to convert a onyx front hub from traditional to boost spacing? Just picked up some wheels with onyx hubs and want to use my boost fork.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thedrizzle View Post
    Is there a way to convert a onyx front hub from traditional to boost spacing? Just picked up some wheels with onyx hubs and want to use my boost fork.


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    Yes, however you probably have to send it to Onyx. That's what I had to do with my rear hub, the front may be different. Just call them, they're very responsive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    Yes, however you probably have to send it to Onyx. That's what I had to do with my rear hub, the front may be different. Just call them, they're very responsive.
    Thanks. I am in Australia so i emailed them. I'd love to keep my current fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Gerhardt View Post
    We're very close. 2 months is probably on the soonest side.
    How is the production on the lighter hubs going? I'm early in the process of purchasing new wheels this spring and very much looking forward to these!

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    I just got my upgraded hubs back from Onyx, went from non boost center lock hubs with steel XD driver to Boost 6 bolt with alloy XD driver and torque caps for my Pike fork. Total of 1g wight savings. Rear now at 428 and front at 238g. Oid hubs were 442 and 219g. So basically I now have new boost with alloy Xd driver and front torque caps and 6 bolts hubs for 350 total cost. The quality of these hubs are amazing. The old hubs were about 2to 2.5 years old and never been touched internally and still smooth as can be!!
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    Any closer on the lightweight version?

    I might need a new hub pronto.

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    I'm interested in this too, and the mini driver

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    If you have seen/touched an Onxy hub, you know it reeks of quality. I will own this hub as soon as their field tests are complete and they have shaved one half pound off the hub. Please do not tell a XC Guy the weight does not matter. Save your breath. I purchased a Project 321 quiet hub that does the same job at less than half the weight. Almost dead quiet by using magnetic prawns instead of springs. I want an Onxy and expect to build my next wheel set with the new reduced weight model in red. As far as the weird feeling some are experiencing, I would not care much. I have had loud clunks back there some years back from horrible engagment. Things are so much better today. Very pleased with the Project 321. Great company and they stand behind their products very strongly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Gerhardt View Post
    We're very close. 2 months is probably on the soonest side.
    Hi Jim, Thank you for all the comments on this forum, I am very interested in the new lighter Hubs. I want the Onyx Hub with either the Nobl or We are one rims, Orange hubs with ceramic bearings. could care less about end cap color. Any idea on when the new hubs will be available?

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    I've broken 2 'X' hubs in a row. Tired of not riding my bike.

    If this lightweight Onyx hub was available today, I'd order it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    I've broken 2 'X' hubs in a row. Tired of not riding my bike.

    If this lightweight Onyx hub was available today, I'd order it.

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    i will buil$a new wheel set as soon as the new lighter hub is available. I was recently told it will be in six months. Looks like next spring!

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    Watching this thread intently. Coming from the BMX side will the new hub be immediately available for a race BMX product 110m?
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    I also will purchase an Onyx hub after it loses a couple hundred grams. I was obsessed in finding quiet Hubs. I ask skipped Onyx because I could find a hub that weighs half as much and do the same job. Beautiful hub and works so well but it is a fat pig. Should have the lighter model out in six months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emdexpress View Post
    Almost dead quiet by using magnetic prawns instead of springs.
    Does the hub smell fishy after awhile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat View Post
    Does the hub smell fishy after awhile?
    I guess you never have an auto correct get passed you. I know I am not perfect....but try to be.

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    I like Prawns.
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    So, anyway....

    Jim, when are those new hubs going to be available? I have money burning a hole in my pocket.

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    You are not alone. I almost bought the pig but I need to wait for Cinderella. I can always use another wheel set and Fanatibike will build it.

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    I was looking back at old posts and on Jan 28 Jim Gerhardt said "2 months is on the soonest side" so maybe another month or two?

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    I talked to Onyx on May 1st for about 30 minutes regarding the new lighter weight hubs for a new build I am doing. The gentleman I talked to said they "hoped" to have these hubs ready to show at Outerbike in late September, or sooner if all goes well. I don't think that means they will be ready for sale to the public though. I can't wait that long unfortunately, so I'll be purchasing the current boost rear hub with the "upgraded" alloy XD freehub. That should shave some weight off.
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    Subscribed! Been hearing about the lighter Onyx, and looking forward to the release. Considering for a new Ripmo build this summer...

    Question: Hear a lot of folks talking about silence, engagement, and weight - but *not* about spinning resistance (friction).

    Seems to me that even if you had an extra fraction-of-a-percent less friction/resistance, then that would totally overcome any minor weight increases in terms of energy expenditure over a long ride...

    Is there any hard data (or even solid subjective user experiences over time) that show the premium Onyx hubs offer less rolling resistance vs. other hubs?

    The only figure I can think of is that if a hub is making 'noise' then there must be some mechanical energy converted into sound energy. But, this doesn't necessarily mean that the Onyx are more efficient. Nor does it speak to efficiency while engaged/pedaling; only coasting.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laserjockrock View Post
    Subscribed! Been hearing about the lighter Onyx, and looking forward to the release. Considering for a new Ripmo build this summer...

    Question: Hear a lot of folks talking about silence, engagement, and weight - but *not* about spinning resistance (friction).

    Seems to me that even if you had an extra fraction-of-a-percent less friction/resistance, then that would totally overcome any minor weight increases in terms of energy expenditure over a long ride...

    Thoughts?
    Dont overthink it. That being said, Onyx hubs spin as well as a front wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron1017 View Post
    Dont overthink it. That being said, Onyx hubs spin as well as a front wheel.
    I didn't find this to be remotely true.

    Friend built up wheel with Onyx rear hub and it definitely stays engaged when it spins, and has noticeable drag. We reasoned that it might need some break-in time, but pretty much forgot about re-testing it.

    I have much freer spinning rear wheels in my collection. For example, my Bontrager rear road wheel that's been through some gunk and an old Edge (Enve) DT rear XC wheel both spin very easily, both loaded and unloaded.

    I will agree with what another said, about it being like a lightly rubbing disc brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karmaphi View Post
    I didn't find this to be remotely true.

    Friend built up wheel with Onyx rear hub and it definitely stays engaged when it spins, and has noticeable drag. We reasoned that it might need some break-in time, but pretty much forgot about re-testing it.

    I have much freer spinning rear wheels in my collection. For example, my Bontrager rear road wheel that's been through some gunk and an old Edge (Enve) DT rear XC wheel both spin very easily, both loaded and unloaded.

    I will agree with what another said, about it being like a lightly rubbing disc brake.
    I have had mine since last fall, at first they are a little stiff. Once broken in, the rear does spin like a front wheel. Have had Kings and DT 240's and the Onyx rear spins noticeably freer than them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymiller996 View Post
    I have had mine since last fall, at first they are a little stiff. Once broken in, the rear does spin like a front wheel. Have had Kings and DT 240's and the Onyx rear spins noticeably freer than them.
    I have two sets, the first ones were smooth and seemingly frictionless right from the start. They remain the smoothest and best spinning hubs I have ever had and have been trouble free with a couple of years on them now. The second set was not quite as freakishly smooth out of the box, but still very nice. I expect them to break in to match the first set, and have been assured they will. They are a week or two from finally getting put on a bike.

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    Has anyone heard any recent news on the availability of the light weight design?

    Jim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec306 View Post
    Has anyone heard any recent news on the availability of the light weight design?

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    Look up at post 539. ^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinboyer View Post
    Look up at post 539. ^^^
    ............and post 539 is 5 weeks old now. Things could have changed -- they could have moved the date up sooner or they could have hit a design snag and moved the date out. Hence, the reason I asked if there was a more recent update.

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    Color options

    The color options are really. Here's the Poseidon Green that was offered a couple months ago.Onyx Racing Hubs - Sprag Clutch vs other types of Engagement-onyx-nox-poseidon-green.jpg

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    I really need to decide on fork and front hub options soonish.

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    I called Onyx last week and they said the light weight version is still 1 - 2 months out. So, who really knows. Take my money already!!!!

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