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    Good find. I remember that thread now that I see it again. I remember thinking they ewe rent doing anything special with what looked like normal LB rims. The current rims look nothing like LB though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Choro View Post
    I have the xcr 29s, and while the wheels are nice, they are an absolute pain in the ass to set up tubeless. The tape won't stick in the rim channel and the speed evolution valves don't seal the valve holes worth crap. What set-up are you all using?

    On my XCR's I'm using Stan's tape and valves, and I send out all customer builds set up the same way. No issues.

    Clean the rim off before installing new tape.

    Stretch the tape tight, and push it down into the center channel. I do a bit at a time, so stretch out a foot or so, go back and press it down (press hard), then continue working around the rim.

    Here's a tip for getting valves to seal: instead of cutting an "X" for the valve to go through, poke a hole in the tape. I use a pick to start a hole, then a philip's screw driver to enlarge the hole. Makes for a tight-ish fit with the valve, and no rip in the tape that could grow and cause you to lose a seal.

    EDIT: Also make sure you're using a wide enough tape. With the XCR use 25mm, for the Teocalli's and Farlows/AM I use 27mm.

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    Thanks. I'll give it another go.

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    The key is all in the prep, clean inside of rim with 3m scruff pad. Clean than with rubbing alcohol, wipe dry with paper towel. Put rim back into your upside down bike or truing stand. Start at valve overlap 8 inches, also make sure rim and tape are warm not cold. Work hard at stretching tape as you go around getting air out along the way, I use cotton cloth pushing it hard into tape as I go around. Overlap another 8 inches, cut clean with scissors. Use cloth again going around so all is firm in place, I than heat my pointed awl with torch and make a perfect whole for valve.

    The reason your valve is not sealing is because your tape job is faulty!!

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    I've scuffed and cleaned the rims, but according to stan's installation instructions was cutting an "x" in the tape for the valve hole. Sounds like using an awl might be the way to go.

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    Agreed, almost anytime you get air coming out around your valve, it is bc air is getting under the tape and into a spoke hole somewhere and then out the valve hole.
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    Fixed! The awl approach was perfect. I actually used a small soldering iron. Now they are holding air even before adding sealant.

    Thanks for the suggestions.

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    I just got a set of Teocalli 275 wheels with P321 hubs and Sapim CX-Ray spokes.

    The Good
    With stans yellow tape and valve stems the front wheel weighs 706g and rear is 812g, The hubs are 15mm thru axel front and 12x142 rear.

    The Bad
    I mounted a set of 2.25" Schwalbe Hans Dampf tires. If I didn't have an air compressor I never would have got them on!

    The Very BAD Correction
    After mounting them they didn't look as wide as the hans dampfs I have mounted on some ARCH EX rims. I measured and was right. On the Teocalli rims the Hans Dampf tires are 3/16" of an inch narrower, measured from the outside of the knobs at the widest point of each tire.
    The Teocalli rims made a 2.25" tire into a 2.06" tire. Somehow the extra 5mm of internal width has shrunk the width of my tire. Exactly the opposite effect I was looking for.
    I have since put the old Hans Dampf tire on the new Teocalli Rim and it measures exactly the same width. Either the old Hans Dampf stretched over time or the new damps are just narrower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JNG View Post
    I just got a set of Teocalli 275 wheels with P321 hubs and Sapim CX-Ray spokes.

    The Good
    With stans yellow tape and valve stems the front wheel weighs 706g and rear is 812g, The hubs are 15mm thru axel front and 12x142 rear.

    The Bad
    I mounted a set of 2.25" Schwalbe Hans Dampf tires. If I didn't have an air compressor I never would have got them on!

    The Very BAD
    After mounting them they didn't look as wide as the hans dampfs I have mounted on some ARCH EX rims. I measured and was right. On the Teocalli rims the Hans Dampf tires are 3/16" of an inch narrower, measured from the outside of the knobs at the widest point of each tire.
    The Teocalli rims made a 2.25" tire into a 2.06" tire. Somehow the extra 5mm of internal width has shrunk the width of my tire. Exactly the opposite effect I was looking for.
    Not possible. I'm not sure what your issue is, but the rims aren't to blame.
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    "The Very BAD

    After mounting them they didn't look as wide as the hans dampfs I have mounted on some ARCH EX rims. I measured and was right. On the Teocalli rims the Hans Dampf tires are 3/16" of an inch narrower, measured from the outside of the knobs at the widest point of each tire.

    The Teocalli rims made a 2.25" tire into a 2.06" tire. Somehow the extra 5mm of internal width has shrunk the width of my tire. Exactly the opposite effect I was looking for. "

    It's because the Stan rims have very low side walls, the NOX rim side wall is very tall. Stan has a patient on the low sidewall rim. The low side wall allows the tire to bulge out over the rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNG View Post
    I just got a set of Teocalli 275 wheels with P321 hubs and Sapim CX-Ray spokes.

    The Good
    With stans yellow tape and valve stems the front wheel weighs 706g and rear is 812g, The hubs are 15mm thru axel front and 12x142 rear.

    The Bad
    I mounted a set of 2.25" Schwalbe Hans Dampf tires. If I didn't have an air compressor I never would have got them on!

    The Very BAD
    After mounting them they didn't look as wide as the hans dampfs I have mounted on some ARCH EX rims. I measured and was right. On the Teocalli rims the Hans Dampf tires are 3/16" of an inch narrower, measured from the outside of the knobs at the widest point of each tire.
    The Teocalli rims made a 2.25" tire into a 2.06" tire. Somehow the extra 5mm of internal width has shrunk the width of my tire. Exactly the opposite effect I was looking for.


    Take the tire you measured on the Arch off and put that tire on the Teocalli at the same psi. If you just threw on a brand new tire, they can effectively 'stretch' for several hours to days as you leave it inflated, and riding on/breaking in the tire will aid in this process happening even quicker.

    If you want to get an accurate measurement on the change in effective width, best to put the same tire (not the same model, but the actual tire itself) on both rims, same psi on both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoMTB View Post
    Take the tire you measured on the Arch off and put that tire on the Teocalli at the same psi. If you just threw on a brand new tire, they can effectively 'stretch' for several hours to days as you leave it inflated, and riding on/breaking in the tire will aid in this process happening even quicker.

    If you want to get an accurate measurement on the change in effective width, best to put the same tire (not the same model, but the actual tire itself) on both rims, same psi on both.
    Thanks. This weekend I'll take off the old Hans Dampfs and try them on the Teocalli wheels to see.

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    FYI, I had a set of NOX AM275 29mm internal width build up and mounted the same 2015 Nobby Nic tire and tire was only .080 wider them when mounted on my Stan Crest with 21mm internal width. Even tho the rim is 8mm 0.315 wider. It's because the Stan's rim has a very low sidewall.

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    Also at the same rear tire pressure of 23 psi I would feel the NOX rim bottom out much more then with crest rim.

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    I think I may have found my answer in this article:
    WIDE rims

    With the wider rims the tread sits flatter so the knobs on the edge of the tire do not flare out as much.

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    I'm on 29 external / 23 mm internal carbon rims (EnveM60) Thus far I have no complaints and I'm listening closely to the ongoing wide 26-28/29 internal and the superwide +30mm internal. Learning a bit everyday.

    I ride trails....lots of pedal up with short descents to yet another short technical uphill followed by another technical flowy downhill. The tires I run are generally 2.3/2.35 sized...Butcher Control/DHF/DHRii front; Slaughter / Ikon /DHRII rear. I have not been displeased with the performance of these tire on my present 29exteral/23 internal rims.

    So, given the type of trails/conditions I ride routinely, how will mounting these same tires on a Farlow 29 internal or Ibis 741 35 internal improve things, again given the trails I ride. My riding is not up a fire road to get to a long down hill section. Might be that neighter are right for me and the Teocalli may be a better fit, albeit ony 3mm wider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNG View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoMTB View Post
    Take the tire you measured on the Arch off and put that tire on the Teocalli at the same psi. If you just threw on a brand new tire, they can effectively 'stretch' for several hours to days as you leave it inflated, and riding on/breaking in the tire will aid in this process happening even quicker.

    If you want to get an accurate measurement on the change in effective width, best to put the same tire (not the same model, but the actual tire itself) on both rims, same psi on both.

    Thanks. This weekend I'll take off the old Hans Dampfs and try them on the Teocalli wheels to see.
    Turns out that the old Hans Dampf is wider across the treads by over 1/8". Either the new Dampfs are just narrower or the old tire stretched over time.

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    NOX Composites?

    Building up new bike with my new NOX am29 wheels. Just wondering from those who might also ride with NOX wheels and ride on trails with loose chunky rocks that often kick up and ding rims, how has durability been? My alum rims have always held up fine. They have silver marks as anodization is marred from rock hit, but no denting. Thinking about using some protection film like on carbon frame. Thoughts? Anyone have a rim that has taken some rock hits on sides?

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    My experience has been that they are extremely durable, and while they still get scratches, they are more resistant to the cosmetic rock rash you are speaking of than aluminum rims.

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    Good to hear. Thanks for feedback. Hope others can chime in and echo same and I'll relax.

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    I have the original NOX XC rims. They have been solid. They've held up well to rock/trail strikes. I don't even think about it when dropping into a a section of loose rock and junk--the 100mm Reba's what's holding me back. I wouldn't bother with any protection film personally. No engineer, but I get the feeling that if something destroys these rims, it would have nuked an alum. rim. You'll love them!

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    Just got my set of Nox Farlow AM's. Had them built up with I9 hubs. Mounted them to my Nomad 650b and hit the trail. The stiffness is immediately apparent and they performed flawlessly over many types of terrain. Very impressed thus far

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNG View Post
    Turns out that the old Hans Dampf is wider across the treads by over 1/8". Either the new Dampfs are just narrower or the old tire stretched over time.
    Some Schwalbe tyres streches out over time, I've seen the Rock Razor stretch frighteningly much.

    Just sold my Roval Control Carbons, had the Crests before them (the Crests were flexy as hell at 1560g!). Now I'm trying to decide between the Skyline and Teocalli. My riding is primarily trail riding with an aggressive touch. Sometimes I do jumps and drops I probably shouldn't do on a short travel bike. Then again, at times I race XC and marathon and with my next 29er maybe even an odd enduro event from time to time. But, my weight is only 140 lbs (64kg).

    Will those Skylines take that occasional beating I give them and is the difference to teocallis basically less stiffness? Another important question, are the skylines stiffer than Roval Control Carbons?

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    Sounds like I ride like you. I'm going from Roval XC Trails to Derby hoops. We ride lots of AM technical stuff. I'm more concerned with stiffness than ultra light weight.

    PS - Out west NOX are nearly impossible to source and the Derbys run about $120 less. However NOX were my first my choice.


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    Hello all. I picked up my Teocalli 29er wheelset from the shop yesterday.

    They are laced to a set of King hubs that I've had for 8 years or so. Don't remember which spokes / nipples.

    Weights:

    Front with 15mm axle 736g / 1lb 10oz
    Rear with 142x12 axle 885g / 1lb 15.2 oz

    That's 1621, or just a bit less than Nox lists on their website (1628). Though I don't have an alu rimmed wheelset around to compare them with, they feel super light, much lighter than I expected, and certainly lighter than the 26" King/Mavic UST wheelset that I had this past season.

    Wont get any rides on them for a while as I'm building the bike up as cash becomes available, but I'll post a review as soon as I get some time on them.

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    Loving these Farlow Wheels with I9 hubs. I did remove the decals for the stealth look though
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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy View Post
    Building up new bike with my new NOX am29 wheels. Just wondering from those who might also ride with NOX wheels and ride on trails with loose chunky rocks that often kick up and ding rims, how has durability been? My alum rims have always held up fine. They have silver marks as anodization is marred from rock hit, but no denting. Thinking about using some protection film like on carbon frame. Thoughts? Anyone have a rim that has taken some rock hits on sides?
    Had my Nox Farlows for about 3 weeks now. I've got about 10 rides in so far and can't say enough about them. I ride lots of rocks and chunk as well as regular groomed trails. Based on my experience so far I would say you will love them and their durability.

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    Just bought a new bike and decided to go with the Teocalli 27.5 wheels. Seemed like a good in between.

    What tire pressures has everyone been running on these? I know they are not supe-Ibis wide but it seems like they should be fine running somewhat low pressure. 1st set of carbon rims, have been babying them and would like to test the low pressure waters.

    I am running about 20 PSI right now, I weigh 170 with gear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    Just bought a new bike and decided to go with the Teocalli 27.5 wheels. Seemed like a good in between.

    What tire pressures has everyone been running on these? I know they are not supe-Ibis wide but it seems like they should be fine running somewhat low pressure. 1st set of carbon rims, have been babying them and would like to test the low pressure waters.

    I am running about 20 PSI right now, I weigh 170 with gear...
    I'm 185, and run 20 rear and about 18-20 front depending on ride. I have the Farlow AM wheelset. I could definitely go lower if needed.

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    I'm about 205 geared up, and I've been being pretty cautious with my new Farlows, but maybe I need to try lower after reading this.

    I've been running 23f, 26r with 2.3 Maxxis Minion DHF/DHR2 combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    Just bought a new bike and decided to go with the Teocalli 27.5 wheels. Seemed like a good in between.

    What tire pressures has everyone been running on these? I know they are not supe-Ibis wide but it seems like they should be fine running somewhat low pressure. 1st set of carbon rims, have been babying them and would like to test the low pressure waters.

    I am running about 20 PSI right now, I weigh 170 with gear...
    I think you're in the low pressure waters already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnitram View Post
    Loving these Farlow Wheels with I9 hubs. I did remove the decals for the stealth look though
    So you take the stickers off your wheels and forks but leave the QC stickers on your disc rotors? Interesting.

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    Anyone get conti x-king or the new vittoria tnt tires to bead up on their Nox rims? no matter how much air i throw at them they struggle to seal. Even brought them to the LBS to see if they could do it with all of their gear and they couldnt get them to seal either. Seems the bead is too tight and the rim too deep and wide.

    I have no issue with Specialized, bontrager or maxxis tires seating on these even with a floor pump.

    btw, i have over 6000 miles on my nox wheels done up by Super Dave of speed dreams and these wheels are as true as they were the day i bought them.

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    Dang, u ride a lot? That's some miles. Good to hear tho since Dave did my wheels as well.

    Schwalbe Hans dampf and maxis on mine with no issues. But on the phone, Dave specifically mentioned MKs, but not other two u mentioned, as good with NOX rims. Which rim do u have? I'm guessing the originals with hooks given miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy View Post
    Dang, u ride a lot? That's some miles. Good to hear tho since Dave did my wheels as well.

    Schwalbe Hans dampf and maxis on mine with no issues. But on the phone, Dave specifically mentioned MKs, but not other two u mentioned, as good with NOX rims. Which rim do u have? I'm guessing the originals with hooks given miles.

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    so yeah probably the originals. Just wondering if there was any trick to getting them to seat. kind of limited with tire choices with maxxis ikons being the goto tire.

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    Daves done two sets of wheels for me, both bomb proof.

    Even fixed the I9 hub on one of them the same day a LBS screwed up the wheel by stripping the freehub for the cassette.

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    Yep, have ikon on the rear. Mine are farlows. Might give Dave a call about his experience with those. He said he runs a set of original NOX rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    Anyone get conti x-king or the new vittoria tnt tires to bead up on their Nox rims...........
    btw, i have over 6000 miles on my nox wheels done up by Super Dave of speed dreams and these wheels are as true as they were the day i bought them.
    6000 miles with a tyre like an Ikon and considering an X-King? What are your trails like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewBikeGuide View Post
    6000 miles with a tyre like an Ikon and considering an X-King? What are your trails like?
    Not the same tire, same wheelset. Been on about 10 different tires in that time. Just would like to be able to mount the vittoria barza or x-king that i have.

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    I realise that I was just wondering what sort of trails you have that you run Ikons. How many miles per year do you average? I am averaging about 80 km per week (or was until I blew my knee up skiing) but most of that is Whistler Black and Double Black ie straight up and very tech down. eg: Micro Climate Mountain Bike Trail - Blackcomb, Whistler | Trailforks
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewBikeGuide View Post
    I realise that I was just wondering what sort of trails you have that you run Ikons. How many miles per year do you average? I am averaging about 80 km per week (or was until I blew my knee up skiing) but most of that is Whistler Black and Double Black ie straight up and very tech down. eg: Micro Climate Mountain Bike Trail - Blackcomb, Whistler | Trailforks
    Ikons front and back even. PHoenix area and almost 5k miles yearly for the last 2 years all on the same mtb.

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    100 miles per week, that is some dedication. Nice effort. Never ridden near Phoenix. Ikons, I am guessing that your trails are pretty buffed and fast mostly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewBikeGuide View Post
    100 miles per week, that is some dedication. Nice effort. Never ridden near Phoenix. Ikons, I am guessing that your trails are pretty buffed and fast mostly?
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    Well hopefully you can get those X-Kings mounted up, the Black Chilli rolls fast and sticks like a sticky thing so hopefully will help keep you from getting scuffed up.

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    Have run MKII 2.4" front and X-King 2.2" rear in the past but it is a little sketchy for our steeps and rocks.

    Been lurking here as a set of Nox Farlows on DT240S hubs has a destiny with my Nomad.
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    Ikons are exceptionally good tires, though technically XC/Race tires, they handle chunk pretty well considering their low weight and tread profile. They also seem to be the go-to tire for guys winning the likes of AZT & CTR...

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    The new 29x2.35 Icon is much bigger than the 2.2. The side knobs are huge and the tire has great grip here on the East Coast. The tire is huge !!
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    Looks a little like a cross between the Ignitor (got on okay with this but not sticky enough) and the Advantage (liked it alot, but again no soft compounds and no 650B versions).

    Also looks a lot like my Mountain Kings.

    Forgot that Maxxis developed a wider version so Jared Graves could destroy trail with it.
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    Any updates guys? How are you guys liking the rims?

    Thanks!

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    Any updates guys? How are you guys liking the rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxis Gamez View Post
    Any updates guys? How are you guys liking the rims?

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    LOVE mine. Will def try to get another set for my next build.
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    Can anyone offer advice on the Skyline vs. Teocalli 29? I'm thinking of putting these on a Cannondale Scalpel for XC racing / trail riding in rocky central PA.

    I'm trying to understand why anyone would go with the Skyline over the Teocalli, considering there is only an 80g difference between the two as a set (40g each rim).

    Would the Teocalli be too wide to run something like an Ikon 2.2? This is the only thing I can think of that would steer me towards the Skyline.

    Any input is appreciated!

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    40g per rim is actually pretty large margin in the bike world when you are talking about rotational weight. Consider that the extremes between our lightest XC rim and heaviest AM rim is only ~90g! For pure XC riders and racers, the Skyline is the perfect rim, it's strong and plenty wide for this type of riding. If you spend most of your time trail riding with an occasional race, then the Teo is made for you. The Teo is definitely not too wide to run a 2.2. For most casual riders, the extra width of the Teo wins out, but because XC races are typically won on the climbs, rim weight (even 40g per rim) is critical to those guys/gals.
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    Gotcha, thanks! Considering the Teocalli is still way lighter than my current wheelset (Stan's Arch EX), I think I'm leaning towards towards them over the Skyline.

    Any more input from others is appreciated!

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    Here's another thing I just thought of: I only weigh 130lbs, so maybe I would be able to get away running the Skylines without giving up much in the way of stiffness? Too many choices! lol

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    Another cool option is use both, use the lighter skyline on the rear for better feel at the pedals and the wider Teocalli up front to improve stick in the corners. I have a set like that in the queue for a customer who races some but didn't want to go totally weight-weenie.

    Also, going to a 28H Teocalli vs a 32H Skyline only adds ~32g (for the 29er at least), so that's a great option for lighter riders who want the wider rim.

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    Nox Composites have fairly firm views as to why they build their wheels with 32 holes. @dgaddis1 What are your views on surviving a trail with a broken spoke on a 28 spoke wheel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewBikeGuide View Post
    Nox Composites have fairly firm views as to why they build their wheels with 32 holes. @dgaddis1 What are your views on surviving a trail with a broken spoke on a 28 spoke wheel?
    Well, there's always a bit of a gamble to play when you start cutting spoke count, but you could say the same about using *only* 32 spokes instead of 36, or 40, or 48. 32 is the new normal after all. Whether or not you get some rub with a broken spoke has a lot to do with your own personal set up too. On my personal bike (an ~09 Jabberwocky) my current wheel/tire/gear combo barely fits (32x19 which lets me nearly slam the axle forward in the dropouts, Nox XCR rims, 2.2" Ikons). I'm pretty sure even with 32 spoke wheels if I broke a spoke I'd get some rub. But, hey, what are you gonna do. I don't worry about it.

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    Just swapped my rear tire on my 27.5 Teo's. These are my first hookless rims. Are their tricks to getting the tire to seat up. Could not do it via floor pump, using Spec tires, which I have always been able to seat with a floor pump. Couldnt get it on at the gas station either. Finally got it done at the LBS where it took the mechanic and me to get it on.

    I guess you just need a compressor... and 4 hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    Just swapped my rear tire on my 27.5 Teo's. These are my first hookless rims. Are their tricks to getting the tire to seat up. Could not do it via floor pump, using Spec tires, which I have always been able to seat with a floor pump. Couldnt get it on at the gas station either. Finally got it done at the LBS where it took the mechanic and me to get it on.

    I guess you just need a compressor... and 4 hands.
    Tubeless, while completely worth the hassle, is a major hassle to set up sometimes. Here's one tip for stubborn tires: set them up with a tube, let them sit for a few hours. Deflate the tube, unhook only one bead, and remove the tube, now re-inflate the tire.

    Remove the valve core.

    The problem is you can get three of the same tire, and they'll all act differently. I've had Specialized tires that set up super easily, and some that didn't. I've had Maxxis tires that were the same way. One night I mounted up one TR Maxxis tire and one non-TR, the non-TR inflated immediately, the TR was a major pain. Other TR Maxxis tires set up without an issue. WTB's TCS tires are known to not work with Stan's rims, they're too tight and most folks can't even get them onto the rim. A local customer of mine set up a set on his and didn't even need a tire lever to mount them, he said it was the easiest tubeless experience he's ever had.

    In other words: YMMV.

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    Thanks, I am going to try the valve core trick next time. That's the one thing I haven't ever thought of doing!

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    That's the way I do it every time, take core out use my air gun with rubber tip. Burst of air works perfect!!

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    Nice update guys. Anyone else? Looks like positive reviews!

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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy View Post
    Yep, have ikon on the rear. Mine are farlows. Might give Dave a call about his experience with those. He said he runs a set of original NOX rims.
    I run the original NOX wheels as well. I normally run Schwalbe tires and they seat up just fine. However, the Rock Razors were a very poor performer on the slickrock in St George so I bought a Conti Mountain King 2.4 and the shop had holy hell getting that tire to mount up. Took 'em forever.

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    I know there aren't many guys left on 26 in wheels but in chance NOX will be producing a 26 in all mountain wheel anytime soon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bridgestone14 View Post
    I know there aren't many guys left on 26 in wheels but in chance NOX will be producing a 26 in all mountain wheel anytime soon?
    They just posted a sneak peak of new rim on their facebook page, so maybe... or maybe not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    Thanks, I am going to try the valve core trick next time. That's the one thing I haven't ever thought of doing!
    Hey, just another trick I have used with tough to seal tires: I will throw a tube in and inflate it for a few minutes or overnight. This has solved tough to seat tires 100% for me. I have been able to get the tire to inflate with a floor pump every time afterward using this method. I tend to switch tires and wheels often so this has been a great time saver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrj1011 View Post
    Hey, just another trick I have used with tough to seal tires: I will throw a tube in and inflate it for a few minutes or overnight. This has solved tough to seat tires 100% for me. I have been able to get the tire to inflate with a floor pump every time afterward using this method. I tend to switch tires and wheels often so this has been a great time saver.
    Hey thanks, I have done that but never over night. Will def try that out on the next new tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    They just posted a sneak peak of new rim on their facebook page, so maybe... or maybe not?
    This is for road bikes.

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    I'm debating between the teo and the farlow and would love to hear suggestions. I'm ~180lbs without riding gear. The wheels will go on an SC bronson. Currently running a magic mary front and the new nobby nic rear (2.35). I ride in and around santa cruz, CA on a mixture of rooty steeper trails and a few smoother flowier trails. Typical rides have 2-5ft drops.

    FWIW, I've run 26'' mavic 819 and a stans arch ex and had them hold up pretty well. They're battle scarred but still going. Currently running some wtb ST i25 rims until I settle on the nox rims.

    I like the weight of the teocalli... Not sure if strength is an issue for how and where I ride. 25mm IW is the widest rim I've ridden so I just don't know to what extent the width of the farlow will improve anything.

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    Farlow no question. I'm running mine on a Nomad 27.5

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    Because of the strength, width, both?

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    Yes. The Farlows are awesome on the Nomad. I have 2 buddies that ride Bronson's and they too are getting Farlows. I'm sure you could get away with the Teo but IMO the Farlow is better suited for AM

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    Cool, I've been leaning farlow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saucerboy View Post
    I'm debating between the teo and the farlow and would love to hear suggestions. I'm ~180lbs without riding gear. The wheels will go on an SC bronson. Currently running a magic mary front and the new nobby nic rear (2.35). I ride in and around santa cruz, CA on a mixture of rooty steeper trails and a few smoother flowier trails. Typical rides have 2-5ft drops.

    FWIW, I've run 26'' mavic 819 and a stans arch ex and had them hold up pretty well. They're battle scarred but still going. Currently running some wtb ST i25 rims until I settle on the nox rims.

    I like the weight of the teocalli... Not sure if strength is an issue for how and where I ride. 25mm IW is the widest rim I've ridden so I just don't know to what extent the width of the farlow will improve anything.
    There is only about a 30 gram difference between the 2 rims. If you are wanting to try a wider rim without going crazy-wide, the Farley is a great choice. That being said, I am riding a pair of 25mm internal width carbon hoops and am really digging the profile the rims give the tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saucerboy View Post
    I'm debating between the teo and the farlow and would love to hear suggestions. I'm ~180lbs without riding gear. The wheels will go on an SC bronson. Currently running a magic mary front and the new nobby nic rear (2.35). I ride in and around santa cruz, CA on a mixture of rooty steeper trails and a few smoother flowier trails. Typical rides have 2-5ft drops.

    FWIW, I've run 26'' mavic 819 and a stans arch ex and had them hold up pretty well. They're battle scarred but still going. Currently running some wtb ST i25 rims until I settle on the nox rims.

    I like the weight of the teocalli... Not sure if strength is an issue for how and where I ride. 25mm IW is the widest rim I've ridden so I just don't know to what extent the width of the farlow will improve anything.
    To me, Bronson = Farlow. Just my opinion though, and I ride a tallboy with XCR-29's, so take it for what it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    There is only about a 30 gram difference between the 2 rims. If you are wanting to try a wider rim without going crazy-wide, the Farley is a great choice. That being said, I am riding a pair of 25mm internal width carbon hoops and am really digging the profile the rims give the tires.
    Maybe I'm reading it wrong but I see a 70g/rim difference. 350 vs 420?
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    To me, Bronson = Farlow. Just my opinion though, and I ride a tallboy with XCR-29's, so take it for what it's worth.
    I can see that. I have a buddy riding farlows on a mach 6 and he has good things to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saucerboy View Post
    I'm debating between the teo and the farlow and would love to hear suggestions. I'm ~180lbs without riding gear. The wheels will go on an SC bronson. Currently running a magic mary front and the new nobby nic rear (2.35). I ride in and around santa cruz, CA on a mixture of rooty steeper trails and a few smoother flowier trails. Typical rides have 2-5ft drops.

    FWIW, I've run 26'' mavic 819 and a stans arch ex and had them hold up pretty well. They're battle scarred but still going. Currently running some wtb ST i25 rims until I settle on the nox rims.

    I like the weight of the teocalli... Not sure if strength is an issue for how and where I ride. 25mm IW is the widest rim I've ridden so I just don't know to what extent the width of the farlow will improve anything.
    The Teos are already going to be far stronger than the ArchExs and the WTB rims that you haven't had any problem with. Bronson=Trailbike=Teo. If you were doing Enduro courses on a Nomad regularly, then you could maybe benefit from the Farlow. The riding you've described seems Teo. Are there really 5ft drops your hitting? Like if you stand by the drop it's up to your shoulders? Not doubting you personally, I just always wonder when I hear people tossing out numbers like 5ft drops. They seem pretty rare to me, except at Whistler. Here and there if you look for them, but not typically on most trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    The Teos are already going to be far stronger than the ArchExs and the WTB rims that you haven't had any problem with. Bronson=Trailbike=Teo. If you were doing Enduro courses on a Nomad regularly, then you could maybe benefit from the Farlow. The riding you've described seems Teo. Are there really 5ft drops your hitting? Like if you stand by the drop it's up to your shoulders? Not doubting you personally, I just always wonder when I hear people tossing out numbers like 5ft drops. They seem pretty rare to me, except at Whistler. Here and there if you look for them, but not typically on most trails.
    You questioning me??!! Totally a fair question. Plenty of times I've been convinced something was a certain size only to stand next to it find out it wasn't at all. There are a few features around that are shoulder high from takeoff to landing though (even if the rock/log/thing itself isn't shoulder high).

    Yep, that's what had me wondering about the teocalli. They're likely stronger than the rims I've already been riding without much issue (occasional spoke replacement and truing).

    It's not particularly gnarly as far as enduro goes but one of our riding spots hosts and enduro race. I'm also not saying I'm particularly fast but I can't imagine I'm riding much slower without a number on the front of my bike than I'd ride with one. I'd be mediocre either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saucerboy View Post
    You questioning me??!! Totally a fair question. Plenty of times I've been convinced something was a certain size only to stand next to it find out it wasn't at all. There are a few features around that are shoulder high from takeoff to landing though (even if the rock/log/thing itself isn't shoulder high).

    Yep, that's what had me wondering about the teocalli. They're likely stronger than the rims I've already been riding without much issue (occasional spoke replacement and truing).

    It's not particularly gnarly as far as enduro goes but one of our riding spots hosts and enduro race. I'm also not saying I'm particularly fast but I can't imagine I'm riding much slower without a number on the front of my bike than I'd ride with one. I'd be mediocre either way.
    Ha, yeah, I hear that and I always wonder, because if a drop is up to my shoulders, I'm probably not riding it, unless I'm on a full downhill bike at Whistler and I've been building up to it.... I guess some drops I hit fast enough and land far enough downhill that maybe they'd be five feet, but I never stop to check, so I'm curious what people mean when they say that...

    Anyway, I suspect that even the Skylines would be stiffer than ArchEXs, so I don't think the Teos would be an issue.
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    Very non-technical poster here, what does 'Hookless' mean, is that opposite of thru axel? Or can u have a hookless thru axel? You can tell i just drop my bike off for tune ups.

    Also, i am all about flat surfaces...road, fire roads, grass etc. I just want a tad bit of meat on my tires for the occasional mild offroad but other than that i'd like tires that maximize speed & climbing. Any suggestions for tires for my preferences to go with a set of Skylines? Thanks

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    This may be a stupid question....But, since the asymmetric spoke holes on the NOX rims are only offset by ~2.5mm, would it not be possible to achieve the same benefit by just dishing a standard rim with centered holes slightly off center to achieve the same effect (provided there is enough clearance within the chain stays)?

    BTW: Just checked the dish on my current rear wheel and it is slightly off center (a little more than 1mm). I would have never known this without actually measuring it.

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    Yes you could do that, however then your rear wheel would no longer be in line with your front wheel, and you are moving both sets of spoke holes, not just the ones you want to offset.
    Scott275, I am going to assume that was a serious question. Hookless means there is no bead hook on the rim, like a car rim. as for tires look at Schwalbe's rocket ron and racing ralph. I am not saying you need to buy these tires, just that they are representative of the tread pattern you are looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bridgestone14 View Post
    Yes you could do that, however then your rear wheel would no longer be in line with your front wheel, and you are moving both sets of spoke holes, not just the ones you want to offset.
    Scott275, I am going to assume that was a serious question. Hookless means there is no bead hook on the rim, like a car rim. as for tires look at Schwalbe's rocket ron and racing ralph. I am not saying you need to buy these tires, just that they are representative of the tread pattern you are looking for.
    Yes, but NOX has offset both sets of spoke holes on their rims. As far as alignment, what I was attempting to point out is that when I checked the dish on one of my wheels it is off by a mm or so and I can't say I ever noticed it riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scolli View Post
    This may be a stupid question....But, since the asymmetric spoke holes on the NOX rims are only offset by ~2.5mm, would it not be possible to achieve the same benefit by just dishing a standard rim with centered holes slightly off center to achieve the same effect (provided there is enough clearance within the chain stays)?
    You might be onto something. You could offset both wheels by 2.5 mm to keep the front & rear aligned with respect to each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisF View Post
    You might be onto something. You could offset both wheels by 2.5 mm to keep the front & rear aligned with respect to each other.
    But, I think the front would have to be dished in the opposite direction. In either case, I do not think I would notice, while riding, that the wheels were not aligned.

    Obiously, I have to much time on my hands to be fretting over 2.5mm!

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    I believe that the offset advantage is that, since a normal rear is already significantly dished by having different tensions on non-drive vs drive side spokes, the angle of asymmetrical rim allows you to achieve same dish with less differential spoke tension between both sides of the wheel = stronger wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scolli View Post
    But, I think the front would have to be dished in the opposite direction.
    You're right -- I didn't think about the front rotor. I checked my Bonty Mustang wheels, and sure enough, the offsets in the front and back are opposite each other. I didn't realize that.

    If the wheels were misaligned, I don't know if you would just end up going thru the woods slightly sideways, or if it would affect stability or handling. It seems it wouldn't matter much....

    Attaboy, you hit the nail on the head with your explanation.

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    Well, I took the plunge and ordered a set: Teocalli 29 with I9 Torch hubs (blue), CX Ray spokes, blue spoke nipples and decals color matched to my frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGarcia View Post
    Well, I took the plunge and ordered a set: Teocalli 29 with I9 Torch hubs (blue), CX Ray spokes, blue spoke nipples and decals color matched to my frame.
    I'll be ordering mine today as well: Teocalli 29 / i9 torch. Did you order direct with NOX? Did they give you an estimated delivery date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scolli View Post
    I'll be ordering mine today as well: Teocalli 29 / i9 torch. Did you order direct with NOX? Did they give you an estimated delivery date?
    I ordered mine direct from the NOX website. I didn't get an response on delivery dates, but I noticed somewhere on the website calls out a 1-2 weeks for building and shipping. Seems reasonable to me as they are hand built.

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    Check out ColoradoCyclist.com too. Build your Nox wheelset up how you want it

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    The project 321 hubs are better than i9, better bearing design better end caps and better ano!

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    This is probably a generic question for hookless rims but since I noticed it with my Nox wheelset I thought I'd ask here:

    Will tubeless rated tires "lock" into hookless rims after the beads are seated, even when there's no air pressure inside?

    I used to run UST rims with tubeless rated (but non UST) tires and after getting the beads seated (usually using an air compressor and hearing those popping sounds), the tires were pretty much "locked" into the hook of the rim, even with all of the air removed. From there, I'd insert my sealant through the valve and use a regular floor pump to inflate to normal riding pressure with no worry over sealant spewing out. With my Nox hookless rims, after I seat the beads, the tire eventually unseats as the tire deflates, making it potentially messy as I now have to insert sealant without the tire beads securely in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burndtjamb View Post
    This is probably a generic question for hookless rims but since I noticed it with my Nox wheelset I thought I'd ask here:

    Will tubeless rated tires "lock" into hookless rims after the beads are seated, even when there's no air pressure inside?

    I used to run UST rims with tubeless rated (but non UST) tires and after getting the beads seated (usually using an air compressor and hearing those popping sounds), the tires were pretty much "locked" into the hook of the rim, even with all of the air removed. From there, I'd insert my sealant through the valve and use a regular floor pump to inflate to normal riding pressure with no worry over sealant spewing out. With my Nox hookless rims, after I seat the beads, the tire eventually unseats as the tire deflates, making it potentially messy as I now have to insert sealant without the tire beads securely in place.
    Get one side of the tire on, add sealant, get the other side on, inflate with the valve at the top not bottom. Done
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    As to whether the tire will stay in place or not while deflated...depends. Some tires will, some wont. Also depends on if it's a new or used tire, how long it's been on the bead shelf, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis1 View Post
    As to whether the tire will stay in place or not while deflated...depends. Some tires will, some wont. Also depends on if it's a new or used tire, how long it's been on the bead shelf, etc.
    Good to know... thanks! For the record, I was mounting used tires that came off the UST wheelset and onto the Nox: Schwalbe Rocket Ron 29x2.25 Snakeskin on a Nox Teocalli and a Maxxis Ikon 29x2.2 (non EXO) TR on a Nox Skyline. The Maxxis was much looser fitting than the RoRo, and while seating the beads the Maxxis had a tendency to unseat a lot quicker than the RoRo did. Might be a function of Maxxis vs. Schwalbe beads, or using tires with reinforced sidewalls vs. not, or Teo vs. Skyline rim width, or all of the above!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Get one side of the tire on, add sealant, get the other side on, inflate with the valve at the top not bottom. Done
    Heck of a lot more foolproof to just add sealant through the valvestem once the beads are seated. It's an extra step, but you avoid the chance of getting sealant in between the bead and the rim, so you get a better seal. Just dumping the sealant in and then trying to get the beads on works well about 70% of the time. It's the other 30% that sucks. Not worth the 5 minutes of time savings, imo.
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