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    No, we have no relationship with Kappius. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" :-)

    The Kappius 29er rim and Nox XCR-29 are actually pretty similar in dimensions. They just use a non-standard way of measuring internal width. If you measure the XCR-29 rim the way they do it is 26mm wide internal and 31mm external. The difference in weight is because we have more material in the bead for rock impact durability and the XCR-29 is ~5mm deeper for more lateral stiffness.
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    Thank you for the clarification I was just wondering since lots of the features seem pretty similar...

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    I'm looking for a carbon rim with asymmetrical design for my gravelgrinder/cyclocross/road bike and the NOX XCR-29 rim is the only one I've found and I like the looks and reviews of it so far.

    I run 30 mm Grand Bois Extra Léger when I'm on the road and Challenge Grifo XS 32 mm för cyclocross and gravel. Today I use the Velocity A23 OC rims with 23 mm outer width (tubeless ready).

    There is a trend in road cycling of going for wider rims in order to reduce the "light bulb profile" of the tire which gives better handling in curves. I also find the comfort increasing when getting a wider footprint and being able to run lower pressure.

    Will the XCR-29 rim be too wide for my 30 mm tires? I've seen 23 mm wide road rims paired with 23 mm road tires. Can I assume that a 30 mm wide rim can be paired with a 30 mm tire then? And is there an upper tire pressure limit on the XCR-29 rim?

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    It will depend on the individual tire whether it will actually seat or not, but in general running a 30mm tire on a 30mm (external) rim will not give you good handling results. The engineer who designed that 30mm tire probably never intended it to be ran on a 30mm rim. I'd recommend you go with a 40mm+ tire (for example Clement X'Plor 700x40 or similar) for gravel applications. Max pressure is listed as 60psi but if your tire is listed higher than that you can safely go up to the tire's limit.

    The same benefits are found off road, actually it's more pronounced since tire rubber hysteresis losses are a much bigger factor off road (much more tire deflection with trail chatter than on a smooth road).
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    Ah, thanks.
    Do you have any plans for a narrower cyclocross rim? Say, 25-26 mm outer width.
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    It will depend on the individual tire whether it will actually seat or not, but in general running a 30mm tire on a 30mm (external) rim will not give you good handling results. The engineer who designed that 30mm tire probably never intended it to be ran on a 30mm rim. I'd recommend you go with a 40mm+ tire (for example Clement X'Plor 700x40 or similar) for gravel applications. Max pressure is listed as 60psi but if your tire is listed higher than that you can safely go up to the tire's limit.

    The same benefits are found off road, actually it's more pronounced since tire rubber hysteresis losses are a much bigger factor off road (much more tire deflection with trail chatter than on a smooth road).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    The same benefits are found off road, actually it's more pronounced since tire rubber hysteresis losses are a much bigger factor off road (much more tire deflection with trail chatter than on a smooth road).
    Huh?
    The comfort benefit of lower pressure is more pronounced off-road because of hysteresis?
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    Are you guys gonna be releasing a hookless rim design soon? Less weight, higher strength, easier manufacturing... there doesn't seem to be a downside. It would be nice to see a rim lighter than a Crest. That would make the upgrade to carbon a bit easier to swallow. Stiffness is nice, but at 160lbs I'm not crushing the Crests. Or it seems that any lack of stiffness isn't holding me back... I'd expect you could make a carbon rim both lighter and stiffer then the Crests. They seem to be the benchmark for performance/dollar in xc/marathon. I expect carbon rims to cost more, no problem there, but I'd also like to see them be lighter. I'm thinking maybe hookless rims would help get you there. I'm sure you guys have talked about it. Are there downsides that aren't being mentioned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    Are there downsides that aren't being mentioned?
    One big one I can see is the increased amount of acceleration and speed you will gain with light, stiff carbon wheels. Are you really ready for those types of gains?
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    Don't focus on just the weight. The XCR rims are MUCH stiffer, as you mentioned, and also wider. And because they're stiffer and stronger than a Crest you can use lighter spokes (which saves weight) and still end up with a very stiff wheelset. It's easy to say the Crests are stiff enough, but once you ride some stiff carbon wheels, it's hard to go back. I've got a set of American Classic hubs laced to Crest rims with DT Swiss Comp spokes, and I've got a set of Hope hubs laced to Nox XCR rims with DT Swiss Revolution spokes. The AC/Crest combo is a handful of grams lighter thanks to the very light hubs, but the Hope/Nox combo is WAY more fun to ride thanks to the stiffness - the bike feels a lot more planted and stable in the corners than it does with the Crest rims. Riding is believing.

    All that said, I'd love to see a lighter rim offered too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    One big one I can see is the increased amount of acceleration and speed you will gain with light, stiff carbon wheels. Are you really ready for those types of gains?
    So Crests and Nox XCR-29 rims are both 380grams. You're saying I'll see increased acceleration and speed simply because the Nox are carbon? Interesting hypothesis.

    Anyway, I was asking about downsides to hookless, not carbon. I don't doubt that the nox are stiffer, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis1 View Post
    Don't focus on just the weight. The XCR rims are MUCH stiffer, as you mentioned, and also wider. And because they're stiffer and stronger than a Crest you can use lighter spokes (which saves weight) and still end up with a very stiff wheelset. It's easy to say the Crests are stiff enough, but once you ride some stiff carbon wheels, it's hard to go back. I've got a set of American Classic hubs laced to Crest rims with DT Swiss Comp spokes, and I've got a set of Hope hubs laced to Nox XCR rims with DT Swiss Revolution spokes. The AC/Crest combo is a handful of grams lighter thanks to the very light hubs, but the Hope/Nox combo is WAY more fun to ride thanks to the stiffness - the bike feels a lot more planted and stable in the corners than it does with the Crest rims. Riding is believing.
    This^^^ I've been on Nox for awhile now and these things kill it compared to the Arch/i9 set I was on before. Acceleration and cornering are just awesome, point and go with no deflection at 190 pounds. I have a set of hookless Light Bikes on my fatty and too soon to tell if there will be any disadvantages but they sure mount up tight.

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    Agree with all about the benefits of carbon rims. I have them on my 26'er. At about 1250gms for the set they're amazing.

    I was more interested in hearing about what nox has up their sleeve and if an advance like hookless is something they're considering to up their game, or if they think hookless is hype and has some heretofore unknown downsides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    Agree with all about the benefits of carbon rims. I have them on my 26'er. At about 1250gms for the set they're amazing.

    I was more interested in hearing about what nox has up their sleeve and if an advance like hookless is something they're considering to up their game, or if they think hookless is hype and has some heretofore unknown downsides.
    They are already doing hookless in their AM rims.

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    We don't think hookless is hype. There are real advantages to bead strength and we've measured them in the lab. The ONLY downside is a limit in maximum pressure. But we're hearing more and more people tell us they'd easily trade a 45psi limit for lighter/stronger mountain rims. So given that feedback, that is the direction we're taking for our future mountain rims.

    Our AM/Enduro rims ARE hookless and have been for a while now. Our AM-275 rim has a 3.5mm bead, which is one of if not the burliest on the market. The AM-29 has a 3mm bead.

    We are in final testing stages of a racing, pure XC 29er rim now. This rim is hookless and will push the limits of strength/stiffness at very low weights by using more T800 fiber and a hookless bead with our overwrap construction (no seams near the bead edge). Look for that rim to start shipping in about 1.5 months.

    This thread needs more pics! Here are some pics of the Pivot Enduro Team who helped develop the hookless rims on the World Cup Enduro Circuit (these are from South America) and from some local terrain.









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    What about the XCR-275? Any news? Postponed for later? Thanks!!!

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    We are working that rim too, but the race 29er rim will be ready first.
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    Awesome! Perfect timing. Looks like I should be able to get a set in time for the Grand Junction Off-Road!

    Nice pics btw.
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    I've got a really cool set on deck, I'll post pics once they're built up. AM29 rims, King hubs, mix of black and white spokes.

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    I've only had my Nox XCR-29's a short time, but I've become a huge fan. Stiffness = check. Good weight = check. Durability = so far, so good, no complaints.

    Recently won the California State XC Championship in Open Single Speed on a set! (hard to see the Nox logos due to dirt). Love em....looking forward to see what you guys come out with next.

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    any beans to spill on the 29er race rim ? dims ? offset ? will it have the anti burp bumps ? target weight ? price ?

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    AM29 rims, Chris King hubs with the new XD driver, mix of black and white Sapim CX-Ray spokes with red alloy nipples. Built for enduro racing!




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    Real vs declared weight. WTF?

    A bit disappointed:
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    I just ordered a set of am-29/i9 wheels for my intense spider 29 comp. I have enve am's on my carbine 27.5. I'm looking forward to the comparison. I'll post pics and feedback in a couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadis3 View Post
    A bit disappointed:
    Hi, please contact us, we'd been happy to swap this rim out for you. As I'm sure you're aware, manufacturing variances leads to different weights for each rim. Assuming your scale is accurate, this is out of spec and we'd replace it for you. Spec on the XCR-29 is 380 +/- 10g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    Hi, please contact us, we'd been happy to swap this rim out for you. As I'm sure you're aware, manufacturing variances leads to different weights for each rim. Assuming your scale is accurate, this is out of spec and we'd replace it for you. Spec on the XCR-29 is 380 +/- 10g.
    Thank you for the opportunity, great service.

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    Nox Rims with some chris kings. I think i may try some... ...green ones

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    NOX Composites?

    AM-29's laced to i9 hubs.
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    My bike shop was very impressed with the rims and really liked the guys at Nox.

    I'll get a few rides in and report back how the compare to my enve am's.

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    So, when is the hookless 29'er XC rim coming out? Send a mail to Nox about 2 months ago, never got a reply

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    Was able to get a short ride in this morning. First impressions are these wheels rock. Super stiff, quick acceleration, and track amazing. I'm running nobby nic 2.35's on my Enve AM 27.5 wheels and the nobby nic 2.25's on the Nox AM-29 are wider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcohen View Post
    AM-29's laced to i9 hubs.
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    My bike shop was very impressed with the rims and really liked the guys at Nox.

    I'll get a few rides in and report back how the compare to my enve am's.

    Looking forward to the report. These are on the list. I have a set of Derbys on CK on my SS, and I want to try out the Nox rims on some i9s next.

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    I've ridden them a half a dozen times now. They are great. I'm running approx. 20psi tubeless on rocky rooty north east trails. I'm 210lbs and I have not had an issue. These wheels look and act the part!! Very satisfied and zero regrets choosing them over another set of Enve's

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcohen View Post
    I've ridden them a half a dozen times now. They are great. I'm running approx. 20psi tubeless on rocky rooty north east trails. I'm 210lbs and I have not had an issue. These wheels look and act the part!! Very satisfied and zero regrets choosing them over another set of Enve's
    Same here. I've had my AM29's about a month and they have been amazing. 20 PSI seems to be the sweet spot on Nobby Nic 2.25 in the rear and about 18 up front on a 2.35. Had my LBS order them from Nox and the build quality was excellent. The guys at Nox were great to deal with as well. Without a doubt, I'll be buying another set for my next rig.

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    This thread needs more pics!!!






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    Quote Originally Posted by crlavoie View Post
    Without a doubt, I'll be buying another set for my next rig.
    I really like what NOX is doing as well. Haven't seen any in person but they're at the top of the list to replace some Nancy Wides that I'm not super stoked on.
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    Just recevied my xc 29 with ac hubs and 142 rear axle last week. First ride was a 60 miler in Marin and here are first impressions:

    Super Stiff
    superior braking.

    Upgraded from a pair of Stans Crests

    excited to race these this weekend at the lake tahoe 100k

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    Quote Originally Posted by newportl View Post
    Looking forward to the report. These are on the list. I have a set of Derbys on CK on my SS, and I want to try out the Nox rims on some i9s next.
    Loving my AM29s on I9 hubs, best bike upgrade I've ever made. I run them at 16-17 PSI for my 150 lbs on 2.3 tires. Fantastic corning traction and steering precision. My bike feels much more composed on jump landings. Specialized tires mounted up easily tubeless, hold air well, and have stayed true. Riding on them for 2 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightride View Post
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    Loving my AM29s on I9 hubs, best bike upgrade I've ever made. I run them at 16-17 PSI for my 150 lbs on 2.3 tires. Fantastic corning traction and steering precision. My bike feels much more composed on jump landings. Specialized tires mounted up easily tubeless, hold air well, and have stayed true. Riding on them for 2 months.
    What I need to hear - this is my planned build (all black).

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    Stoke to be riding my set soon on a 2014 Trek Remedy - I just received a full build of 27.5 on CK XX1 hubs.

    Following this thread, their price point, and race results really moved me to purchase over other brands/options. NOX appears to be scaling with demand pretty well.

    Timing was very prompt once parts arrived (~1 wk + 4 days shipping from TN to CA). CK XX1 hubs had to be ordered, which took 2wks to arrive. Their packing list showed hubs ordered a few hours post my online order. Not everything can be amazon prime'd and drone-dropped on my doorstep.

    I received an email confirming 1) my initial order 2) parts arrived & into production 3) shipping.

    Boxed wheelset was a little lightly packaged. Fed-Ex did a number on the box, but the wheels look like they arrived without damage.

    Will report back once I get tires mounted and some miles on my local trails.

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    I am at 10 months on my 29er Nox laced up by Dave at Speeddreams.

    Best wheels I have ever owned. I like them better than the Rovals and the Enve AM 29ers.

    Great hoops thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    I am at 10 months on my 29er Nox laced up by Dave at Speeddreams.

    Best wheels I have ever owned. I like them better than the Rovals and the Enve AM 29ers.

    Great hoops thus far.
    Great to hear! Dave is completing my 27.5 wheels today. I'm going with Chris King hubs, should be a great setup on my Tracer T275...

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    Uh oh

    Still haven't got the package yet, hopefully everything is alright.

    Been waiting almost a month now

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwright999 View Post


    Uh oh

    Still haven't got the package yet, hopefully everything is alright.

    Been waiting almost a month now
    You Canadians with your beady eyes and your flappy heads...

    Jk, hope everything is ok with your shipment...their packaging seems suited only to best shipping case scenario unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwright999 View Post


    Uh oh

    Still haven't got the package yet, hopefully everything is alright.

    Been waiting almost a month now
    Bummer, I hope everything is okay...

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    Any word on those new hookless XC 29'er rims?
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    Green Giant, I'm curious, what makes the Nox better than the Enve AMs you tried? I'm on a set of those right now and hands down, best wheels I've ever had under me. I've been eyeing Nox for a second, lighter weight wheel set for summertime conditions.

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    Well for starters Kalamath the nipples are external making tweeks really easy.
    Should you need to make one.....

    That's all I got.

    Watching this thread closely.....

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    I love my Nox am 29er rims, but I have to say their shipping, packaging leave a lot to be desired. I have worked for ups for years and there is no way I would ship something I wanted to make it there in good shape like they do. I had one of my boxes completely destroyed. Wheel had some marks but no breaks so I kept them. I probably should have sent the one back but I was ready to ride. Waited forever to get my Hope trials single speed hub. Nox, step up your packaging - we will gladly pay for it.

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    Just picked up my package today. Unfortunately it looks like my end caps on the hubs were damaged

    I was surprised to see that there was no support at all for the rim in the box. The rim arrived only in a plastic bag and placed into the box.

    Both my rims were shipped separately and this is my first rim to arrive the other one should be here late next week. I have a feeling Im going to end up with the same damaged box and end caps on my front rim

    Im going to send NOX an email today and hopefully they can send me new end caps.

    The good news is my Maxxis HR2 tires went on without any effort and they aired up using a floor pump with no sealant. No air leaks! (will add sealant later)

    I may bring the rim down to the LBS and have them look at it quick just to make sure everything is good

    Sorry for the crappy phone pics, its hard to see the damage. The end caps are dinged up and scratched.

    I will take some better pics once the other rims arrives. Cant wait to get out and ride these!











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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalamath View Post
    Green Giant, I'm curious, what makes the Nox better than the Enve AMs you tried? I'm on a set of those right now and hands down, best wheels I've ever had under me. I've been eyeing Nox for a second, lighter weight wheel set for summertime conditions.
    The Nox set up tubeless easier than the Enve for sure. I actually managed to knock my rear AM Enve out of true (though Dave at speeddreams didn't build the Enve's).

    Found that the internal nipples were a pain on the enves for 2 reasons. 1. Had to take the tape off to true them up. 2. The aluminum nipples (which have now been changed, corrosion issues).

    The Enve's rode great and were stiff just like the Nox.

    Either way, I'd have Dave build up the wheels. The bladed spokes I believe are stock by both Enve and Nox and don't add anything other than weight and a pain in the arse factor. I also think that offset spokes make sense.

    The Enves are absolutely a nice wheel, I just like the Nox better, and from a price standpoint there is really no comparison on bang for the buck.
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