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    The new rims are new, not just re-named and re-decaled versions of the existing. They aren't drastically different because they're evolutions of the current offerings, improvements, no clean-sheet new designs. Spoke holes are now drilled at an angle, no seams in the carbon layup near the bead/sidewall, and a little more offset in the spoke bed.

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    The changes to the Farlow rims compared to the AM are extremely minor. The Farlow rims are coming out of the same molds as the AM rims. Primary difference is angled drill holes and some subtle improvements in layup. It's really mostly a re-branding and new decal design. If you have AM-29 or AM-275 rims I wouldn't feel like you're missing out on anything.

    The Teocalli and Skyline are however entirely new rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    The changes to the Farlow rims compared to the AM are extremely minor. The Farlow rims are coming out of the same molds as the AM rims. Primary difference is angled drill holes and some subtle improvements in layup. It's really mostly a re-branding and new decal design. If you have AM-29 or AM-275 rims I wouldn't feel like you're missing out on anything.

    The Teocalli and Skyline are however entirely new rims.
    Thanks for the clarification. I'm trying to decide between the Farlow with I9 wheelset (29mm internal) vs the Ibis 741 wheelset (35mm internal), can you give me your insight on why you decided to stay under 30mm for your AM rim and what advantages/disadvantages you see with the super wide rims? Price is similar, Nox is a few hundred more but have nicer hubs. Thanks

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    It's pretty simple, to go wider would make the rim heavier and we don't like heavy rims. It's always a trade off, but we feel like 29mm is wide enough to put a huge smile on your face and yet keep you from regretting your rim choice halfway up the first climb.

    I think our pricing with Hope hubs and Sapim Race spokes is getting very near the Ibis price point if you're looking for a kick a$$ wheelset on a budget.
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    Just got my set of the AM275 Rims on King hubs (The new wheels were announced earlier this week after mine had shipped, always my luck )

    they're quality pieces good looking and 2.4 Maxxis Ardent TR Tires went on pretty easily with a little bit of soapy water and aired up no issues at all. The one minor disappointment is the rims weigh 131 grams more than they were quoted at. (Weight on the web site is 1598 grams with king hubs, When I ordered a few weeks back there were no options for spokes so I'm assuming I got the same kit, and mine are 1729 grams, that includes Rim Strips and valve stem, but I'm not believing those are 131 grams total!).

    Riding them the first time last night they feel good I'll report back after I've had them a while.

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    Nice. Though, 131 grams are a pretty big delta, assuming same spec. Did you contact Nox about it?


    Quote Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
    Just got my set of the AM275 Rims on King hubs (The new wheels were announced earlier this week after mine had shipped, always my luck )

    they're quality pieces good looking and 2.4 Maxxis Ardent TR Tires went on pretty easily with a little bit of soapy water and aired up no issues at all. The one minor disappointment is the rims weigh 131 grams more than they were quoted at. (Weight on the web site is 1598 grams with king hubs, When I ordered a few weeks back there were no options for spokes so I'm assuming I got the same kit, and mine are 1729 grams, that includes Rim Strips and valve stem, but I'm not believing those are 131 grams total!).

    Riding them the first time last night they feel good I'll report back after I've had them a while.

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    131 grams does seem a bit off. My original AM275's (with bead hook), I9 hubs, tape, and valve stems came in at 1600 grams, +/- 10 grams as it's been over 6 months since I've had them on the scale.

    They've been working out really nice so far though. Wide, stiff, and nice feel, but friends have complained about how loud the I9 rear hub is! Doesn't bother me and it's also a good alert for other riders/hikers/dogs.

    If I had it all to do over again, I'd get the new Teocalli (with American Classic hubs maybe for ultimate weight savings) as I don't ever really ride super aggressive trails. Live in FL and travel to NC/SC, but that's it. Think the 26mm internal would be fine and weight saving are always nice to me.

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    Haven't contacted NOX yet, I should probably do that, I wasn't going for ultimate light weight clearly or I wouldn't have gone kings, but I did really want King hubs, I've always lusted after them, so this was a bit of a dream build on my wheels. These are the original AM275 AFIK as they were all that was on the site 3-4 weeks ago when I ordered them. I weighed them on a park scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
    Haven't contacted NOX yet, I should probably do that, I wasn't going for ultimate light weight clearly or I wouldn't have gone kings, but I did really want King hubs, I've always lusted after them, so this was a bit of a dream build on my wheels. These are the original AM275 AFIK as they were all that was on the site 3-4 weeks ago when I ordered them. I weighed them on a park scale

    Are the spokes bladed (CX-Ray) or round (Sapim Race)? If they are Race, that would explain the bulk of the weight difference. You certainly should contact them.

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    Per Nox website, the ~1,598g weight appears to be based on using CX-Ray. Given the number of variables/components involved, I really can't see a max variance of +50 grams. Hence, I'm wondering what Nox has to say.


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    Are the spokes bladed (CX-Ray) or round (Sapim Race)? If they are Race, that would explain the bulk of the weight difference. You certainly should contact them.

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    My guess is you're correct I don't have the Sapim CX Spokes, I looked at my receipt and they say nothing about spokes, I don't think the order tool had spokes when I ordered them, so I assumed I was getting what they listed and that may not have been the case.

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    Check your spokes...do they have the aero/flat profile?

    Quote Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
    My guess is you're correct I don't have the Sapim CX Spokes, I looked at my receipt and they say nothing about spokes, I don't think the order tool had spokes when I ordered them, so I assumed I was getting what they listed and that may not have been the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
    My guess is you're correct I don't have the Sapim CX Spokes, I looked at my receipt and they say nothing about spokes, I don't think the order tool had spokes when I ordered them, so I assumed I was getting what they listed and that may not have been the case.
    I noticed that change on their site when I was considering getting wheels from them about a week or so ago. 1st time, there wasn't a choice, a few days later there was.
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    Park hanging scales are not accurate enough to begin with, they only read out to +/- 28g (1 oz) resolution. So first use a more accurate scale and see where you really are. Weights are based on published hub weights with a real-world check (in this case we probably did an I9 build as a baseline). As you probably know, most hub manufactures list weights based on best-case scenario, and depending on the end-cap config, freehub, shell version (LD vs. SD for Kings) you can add easily some weight over the published hub weights and hence be off from our published wheelset weights. We also don't include tape or valves in our published weights even though these do come installed on wheels. I'd say between the hub weights possibly being more than the advertised weight, the park scale rounding up to the next oz and the weight of tape/valves, the mystery is solved. Our rim weights are spec'd +/- 10g and we don't see much/any variance in spoke weights.

    BTW, there is no weight difference between the AM rims and the Farlow rims. Like we said before, they are essentially the same rim. Anyone who wants to "convert" their AM rims to the new Farlow graphics/decals can do so, we have those available on the website now.
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    You have CX-Ray spokes unless you specifically requested something different, we have used CX-Rays for all builds by default. We recently added the Sapim Race option as a great way to save $130 for those who aren't weight weenies or for those looking for even more stiffness.
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    Yes, I'd agree that scale may not be the most accurate either. If you factor that in, end caps, tape/valve stems (35 grams*), decal weight (20 grams?...mine never had decals*), and I9 vs. Chris King hub weight (50 grams*) you pretty much have the difference from what mine weigh.

    *All my weights are approximate guesses as I'm not the most hardcore weight weenie...only a 3 or 4 on a scale of 10!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey j View Post
    *All my weights are approximate guesses as I'm not the most hardcore weight weenie...only a 3 or 4 on a scale of 10!
    Scale might be off...probably closer to 10 than 1 (sweet wheels btw ; )

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    The spokes on my wheels are in fact bladed just checked. So not sure I'll have to contact NOX and see if they have an idea of why the discrepancy

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    Do you have a kitchen scale? If not, maybe borrow one. For example, I weighed my new Maxxis Ikon 29x2.35 tire yesterday. With the hanging/brand cardboard, 725g. Without the card, 699g. Didn't realize a small piece of card would weigh 26g.

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    The spokes on my wheels are in fact bladed just checked. So not sure I'll have to contact NOX and see if they have an idea of why the discrepancy

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    Quote Originally Posted by justaute View Post
    Do you have a kitchen scale? If not, maybe borrow one. For example, I weighed my new Maxxis Ikon 29x2.35 tire yesterday. With the hanging/brand cardboard, 725g. Without the card, 699g. Didn't realize a small piece of card would weigh 26g.
    Absolutely, here ya go, I weighed the only thing I had in the same sort of order of magnitude the drive side crank arm from an X1 with a wolfs 30T ring on it. I weighed the paper towel in both cases:

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    As you can see from this small, and one sample test my scale seems relatively accurate. OR at least consistent.

    Sorry for the orientation they appear correctly on my desktop I'm guessing the upload doesn't respect the rotation EXIF metadata

    I'm having trouble finding anything in a quick search on the king web site for the weight of their hubs, I found one chart which seems to indicate about 438g for the pair, but the I9 site definitely says 435, this doesnt' jive with NOX's King build weighing more than I9 so they must have found a different value somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
    Absolutely, here ya go, I weighed the only thing I had in the same sort of order of magnitude the drive side crank arm from an X1 with a wolfs 30T ring on it. I weighed the paper towel in both cases:

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    As you can see from this small, and one sample test my scale seems relatively accurate. OR at least consistent.

    Sorry for the orientation they appear correctly on my desktop I'm guessing the upload doesn't respect the rotation EXIF metadata

    I'm having trouble finding anything in a quick search on the king web site for the weight of their hubs, I found one chart which seems to indicate about 438g for the pair, but the I9 site definitely says 435, this doesnt' jive with NOX's King build weighing more than I9 so they must have found a different value somewhere.

    What chart, looking at the King website, the lighter 15mm F 164g with a 142 R 325g should come in at 489g total.
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    gremlin...use this chart. I'm not sure which CK hubs you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justaute View Post
    gremlin...use this chart. I'm not sure which CK hubs you have.

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    Yup that was the one I was using, will have to go look at the hubs to determine which one, the ones I added up were the classic mountain

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    hmmm...I would've thought yours is the ISO Disc model in the lower table.

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    Yup that was the one I was using, will have to go look at the hubs to determine which one, the ones I added up were the classic mountain

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    Quote Originally Posted by justaute View Post
    hmmm...I would've thought yours is the ISO Disc model in the lower table.
    That is likely correct, whatever they are they were the ones offered from the NOX site, I Just had them build wheels from their site. Not sure if they just added the difference from a set of I9's they built or just measured one a while ago and there's that much variation in CK's hubs, and sapim spokes or whatever. Interesting how they go about the measurements.

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    Just for future reference...if anyone wants more of a custom/personalized build, I used forum member 'dgaddis' (Dustin Gaddis of Southern Wheel Works) for my build and he was fantastic. He listened to what I was looking for, for my trails/riding, and built up a set of fantastic wheels for me. Little things like using brass nipples to avoid corrosion on these FL trails is something I never would have thought of.

    He kept me informed of when each part showed up, and got them finished/shipped quick once everything arrived. If I recall, he actually weighed each part individually when he was getting stuff in, then weighed the whole wheel set before he shipped them out. Super nice guy and rims have been bullet proof!

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    gremlin...did you ever contact Nox? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justaute View Post
    gremlin...did you ever contact Nox? Just curious.
    I did not contact them but a rep responded on this thread and said the following:

    Park hanging scales are not accurate enough to begin with, they only read out to +/- 28g (1 oz) resolution. So first use a more accurate scale and see where you really are. Weights are based on published hub weights with a real-world check (in this case we probably did an I9 build as a baseline). As you probably know, most hub manufactures list weights based on best-case scenario, and depending on the end-cap config, freehub, shell version (LD vs. SD for Kings) you can add easily some weight over the published hub weights and hence be off from our published wheelset weights. We also don't include tape or valves in our published weights even though these do come installed on wheels. I'd say between the hub weights possibly being more than the advertised weight, the park scale rounding up to the next oz and the weight of tape/valves, the mystery is solved. Our rim weights are spec'd +/- 10g and we don't see much/any variance in spoke weights.
    So I can't assume a direct response would be any different, I did prove the scale is consistent with a kitchen scale I own, so it doesn't seem like the +/- 1 oz is likely affecting it, and still it's off by more than that, these are nearly a half lb more than expected. My Kings are 15mm front with a 142/12 rear so that should be nearly the lightest set, if they do this from published weights I kind of get that, but they should then validate against built sets as they build them and do some sort of average would be more accurate.

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    Back of the envelop I'd have expected your wheels to weight ~1676g with tape & valve stems. If you're at the high end on the rim weights on both rims then ~1696g.

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    Therein lies my curiosity in that the Nox listed weight is estimated to be ~1,598g. If the estimate is in the ball-park of 1,650g, then the variance is understandable. Not that it's a big deal.

    I like the way Southern Wheelworks does his build; he weighs all the components before he puts them together.

    Quote Originally Posted by seleniak View Post
    Back of the envelop I'd have expected your wheels to weight ~1676g with tape & valve stems. If you're at the high end on the rim weights on both rims then ~1696g.

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    Skyline 27.5 Real World Weights

    I received my Skyline 27.5 rims yesterday, and immediately weighed them. I ordered them with Industry 9 hubs (SRAM driver on rear).

    Weights include tape and valve stems/caps, weighed on Feedback digital hanging scale (see pics):

    Front: 650g
    Rear: 770 g

    THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL!! I now have all I need for the one-bike quiver, which is my SC 5010. I have the AM275s already, so what I've done is built two wheelsets, complete with brakes and cassette, for easy no-hassle switching. In the summer I spend time at Mammoth where my kids live, and will xc race (old man master) and all-mountain/enduro/light dh in the same day. So...

    AM/Enduro setup: Nox AM275 wheels, Specialized Butcher 2.3 front, Purgatory 2.3 rear (tires combined 1775g).

    XC: Nox Skyline 27.5 wheels, Pro-Ti rotor bolts, Maxxis Crossmark 2.1 front and rear (499g per tire).

    The difference is a shade over 1.5 lbs of rotating weight, which you can really feel over the course of a day of peddling.

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    Hi guys, a few comments from the thread.

    1. Yes we did have a pricing error on the website which has been fixed.
    2. We are working on refining all listed weights. I do think the published Farlow 275 weights were low, so we have updated those. The rest seemed very close but we are doing real-world weights as we ship wheels to back up those numbers. Published weights are for 32h builds without tape/valves. 28h builds are generally 40-50g less for 2 wheels.
    3. Just to reiterate, the AM-275/AM-29 are now called the Farlow. It is the same rim (i.e. same molds), but the Farlow does have angled drill holes, hence the increase in pricing.
    4. FWIW, the Elite/Feedback scale is more accurate than the Park one (10g resolution versus 28g)!
    5. More pics of all rims/wheels are coming!

    Any more questions, post here or shoot us an email sales@noxcomposites.com. Thanks guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    Hi guys, a few comments from the thread.
    2. We are working on refining all listed weights. I do think the published Farlow 275 weights were low, so we have updated those....
    4. FWIW, the Elite/Feedback scale is more accurate than the Park one (10g resolution versus 28g)!
    So I take it from this my weights were probably more accurate, that's a little disappointing as getting to that weight is one of the reasons I went with your wheels. As for the scales being more accurate, I'm not so sure about that, as I demonstrated with my pictures I had two scales (a mid to high end digital kitchen scale) and my park scale weighing close to the same, and it's not like we were possibly off more than an ounce, the claimed weights however were off significantly more than the scale resolution.

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    Interesting. I'm going to contact my builder about the spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
    So I take it from this my weights were probably more accurate, that's a little disappointing as getting to that weight is one of the reasons I went with your wheels. As for the scales being more accurate, I'm not so sure about that, as I demonstrated with my pictures I had two scales (a mid to high end digital kitchen scale) and my park scale weighing close to the same, and it's not like we were possibly off more than an ounce, the claimed weights however were off significantly more than the scale resolution.
    Yes, however I suspect the weights you saw on our website were for a 28h build. We originally listed the best-case weight scenario (28h, no tape or valves). We've since decided that's a little misleading since 95% of what we build is 32h so the weights now are for 32h builds. 28h builds save appx 60g per wheelset. Rim weights do vary +/- 10g, so if you are on the unfortunate end of the rim specs, you could end up with net difference of 60g (32h build) + 20g (rim tolerance) + 20g (valves/tape) = ~100g over what was listed a few weeks ago.

    Based on our scales, King hubs are appx 70g heavier than the new I9 Torch in common configs. King hub weights do vary quite a bit depending on the axle config and freehub so depending on your setup that could account for the extra ~30g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I'm still desiding of the new graphics, I don't know if I like them!!
    I like the old rim decals much better.

    I've got a set of 650b Teocallis with P321 hubs coming soon from Project321.

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    Does anyone have new picts of the new decals in color like blue?

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    Decals are subjective, we can't make everyone happy, but I can tell you the new ones are much higher quality and look really really cool on the bike. We'll get some full bike pics up. Custom colors are available if the white isn't your thing. And our decals are easily removable if you want to go stealth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Does anyone have new picts of the new decals in color like blue?
    I'd like to see the new decals done in the same color scheme as the old ones which fade from light grey to black. The new ones are too white and bright but not a deal breaker for me. I can hardly wait to try them out.

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    FWIW...I was told $50 for decals of other colors.


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    I'd like to see the new decals done in the same color scheme as the old ones which fade from light grey to black. The new ones are too white and bright but not a deal breaker for me. I can hardly wait to try them out.

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    FWIW...I was told $50 for decals of other colors.
    Same here, I contacted NOX the other day...the do custom colors. Very cool...


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    Quote Originally Posted by justaute View Post
    FWIW...I was told $50 for decals of other colors.
    Not trying to bash NOX, but considering you can get custom colors from Slik Graphics for $25, $50 seems pretty steep considering.
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    Not trying to bash NOX, but considering you can get custom colors from Slik Graphics for $25, $50 seems pretty steep considering.
    100% agree. My view is more like give a $50 discount if you want your stickers to stay on. Obviously there must be those willing to pay. I tend to de sticker things as I prefer the clean look. Though I've been too lazy to take the suckers off my nox wheels.
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    NOX Composites?

    For the love of crap, it's this kind of sh1t that punctuates everything that's what's wrong with this industry. "My stickers don't match my kit". Oh the humanity.

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    For the love of crap, it's this kind of sh1t that punctuates everything that's what's wrong with this industry. "My stickers don't match my kit". Oh the humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    For the love of crap, it's this kind of sh1t that punctuates everything that's what's wrong with this industry. "My stickers don't match my kit". Oh the humanity.
    ^props. Whole new meaning to "sticker shock."

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    For the love of crap, it's this kind of sh1t that punctuates everything that's what's wrong with this industry. "My stickers don't match my kit". Oh the humanity.
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    Just got a short test ride on my Teo29/I9s. I'm pleased so far, however, the trails are a bit unique today. Poor weather selection...
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    These landed at 1568g (731 front, 837 rear) with tape & stems. Tubeless install for Spec Ground Controls was flawless. I quickly noticed they are more stiff than the Crest/Hope/DTComps they replaced (as expected) and are about 125g lighter.

    Can't wait to get in some real miles on these!

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    Just got a short test ride on my Teo29/I9s. I'm pleased so far, however, the trails are a bit unique today. Poor weather selection...
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    These landed at 1568g (731 front, 837 rear) with tape & stems. Tubeless install for Spec Ground Controls was flawless. I quickly noticed they are more stiff than the Crest/Hope/DTComps they replaced (as expected) and are about 125g lighter.

    Can't wait to get in some real miles on these!
    Nice build! What's she weighing?

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    Nice bike! Can't remember if we posted this in this thread, but we are running two Czars in our demo fleet. Great bikes.

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    Nice bike! Can't remember if we posted this in this thread, but we are running two Czars in our demo fleet. Great bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    Nice bike! Can't remember if we posted this in this thread, but we are running two Czars in our demo fleet. Great bikes.

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    Nice build! What's she weighing?
    It's a slight bit under 25lb. Large frame, 120 Revelation.

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    It's a slight bit under 25lb. Large frame, 120 Revelation.
    Sweet! My XL is right at 27lbs with a 120mm Pike, dropper, and heavy 8"/7" Hope V2's. Absolutely LOVE that rig...soooooo fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdlhrd View Post
    Just got a short test ride on my Teo29/I9s. I'm pleased so far, however with the trails are a bit unique today. Poor weather ApproximateThese landed at 1568g (731 front, 837 rear) with tape & stems. Tubeless install for Spec Ground Controls was flawless. I quickly noticed they are more stiff than the Crest/Hope/DTComps they replaced (as expected) and are about 125g lighter.

    Can't wait to get in some real miles on these!
    They look great! Got my Teo 29/I9 combo ordered the other day too, but in 28h configuration with brass nipples. Probably be similar weight range. Approx how long did these take to arrive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    Sweet! My XL is right at 27lbs with a 120mm Pike, dropper, and heavy 8"/7" Hope V2's. Absolutely LOVE that rig...soooooo fast!
    The Pike is compelling. It's always a fine line between weight control, yet burly enough to still be fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey j View Post
    They look great! Got my Teo 29/I9 combo ordered the other day too, but in 28h configuration with brass nipples. Probably be similar weight range. Approx how long did these take to arrive?
    They took about 6 weeks but I pre-ordered them before the rims were in stock. I would expect they should be much quicker now. Took about 2.5 weeks to arrive once I received the email that they had entered their "build queue".

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    Sweet! I've got dgaddis over at SWW building mine up, so hopefully I can get close to the 2.5 week mark. Sucks that it snowed where you are when you got the wheels. Are you in a location where it will clear up before full-on winter sets in, or are you having to wait until spring to ride?

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    The Pike is compelling. It's always a fine line between weight control, yet burly enough to still be fun...
    I was a little concerned with putting a Pike on it at first, but it doesn't feel over forked at all.

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    Teo 29s have been hugely popular and we didn't get quite the yield we were expecting from the last production batch, so we are running a bit behind on those rims. Working on getting caught up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey j View Post
    Sweet! I've got dgaddis over at SWW building mine up, so hopefully I can get close to the 2.5 week mark. Sucks that it snowed where you are when you got the wheels. Are you in a location where it will clear up before full-on winter sets in, or are you having to wait until spring to ride?
    I'm in Boise, Id. Our local trails vary from ~2800-7600ft. The upper elevation trails are all closed now but our lower trails, <3500, are usually rideable throughout the winter. March ends up being the toughest month due to spring rain & muddy trails.

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    Finally have had some time on my set, so wanted to throw up my thoughts. This was my first carbon wheelset, and I am really blown away by how much a difference these make. Between the additional stiffness (which is was shocking to me) and being able to run slightly lower PSI due to the wider rim, my bike rides completely different, obviously in a much better way. Really happy I did this, and the folks at Nox couldn't be nicer or more friendly to deal with.

    This is the only decent pic on mine I have here at work. Details - Farlow rims, King hubs (20 TA front, 142 w/stainless hubshell rear), brass nips, Sapim D-light spokes. I think the total weight was 1874g with the tape and valves.

    FYI, I was coming off a set of Kings laced to Flow EX's with Sapim Race spokes and brass nips.
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    I'm currently building up a Tallboy LT and need to re-lace my King hubs (used on my old Blur) to 29er hoops. I'm considering Nox rims, but the price difference between Stans Flows and the Teocalli is pretty big. Can anyone comment on how much of a difference they found when switching from aluminum rims to carbon on a 29er?

    Thanks in advance.

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    I'm currently building up a Tallboy LT and need to re-lace my King hubs (used on my old Blur) to 29er hoops. I'm considering Nox rims, but the price difference between Stans Flows and the Teocalli is pretty big. Can anyone comment on how much of a difference they found when switching from aluminum rims to carbon on a 29er?

    Thanks in advance.
    This was just posted before your post and about sums it up for me.
    They should be lighter too.

    Finally have had some time on my set, so wanted to throw up my thoughts. This was my first carbon wheelset, and I am really blown away by how much a difference these make. Between the additional stiffness (which is was shocking to me) and being able to run slightly lower PSI due to the wider rim, my bike rides completely different, obviously in a much better way. Really happy I did this, and the folks at Nox couldn't be nicer or more friendly to deal with.

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    Hmm. Perhaps if I had read more carefully I would have seen that. Sorry for the redundancy.

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    Considering Teocalli and Farlow for primarily aggressive trail-riding and occassional enduro racing in Texas (rocks). I weigh about 200 lbs and ride relatively aggressively.

    Any recommendation as to which I should choose? Reasons?

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    I'd recommend the Farlow for Enduro racing at 200lbs. The extra stiffness and width seems more appropriate for racing where the climbs aren't timed. That's the exact kind of riding we had in mind when we designed the Farlow. Light enough for long climbs, but really shines on techy trails and downhills.

    One thing to consider if that with a 29mm inner width, you may get by with a 2.3" tire versus needing a 2.5" on a 20mm rim. We find the carcass really opens up on the wide rim. One of our demo/test bikes is a Pivot Mach 6 with Farlows, 2.3 DHF on the front and 2.3 DHR2 on the rear and it's an amazing amount of traction and really not that heavy.
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    Thanks for the quick input. Just to be sure -- you still recommend the Farlows even if I plan on only doing a couple of enduros?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    I'd recommend the Farlow for Enduro racing at 200lbs. The extra stiffness and width seems more appropriate for racing where the climbs aren't timed. That's the exact kind of riding we had in mind when we designed the Farlow. Light enough for long climbs, but really shines on techy trails and downhills.

    One thing to consider if that with a 29mm inner width, you may get by with a 2.3" tire versus needing a 2.5" on a 20mm rim. We find the carcass really opens up on the wide rim. One of our demo/test bikes is a Pivot Mach 6 with Farlows, 2.3 DHF on the front and 2.3 DHR2 on the rear and it's an amazing amount of traction and really not that heavy.

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    At 200lbs I would try to talk you into the Farlow mostly for added stiffness and width. The Teo is a great trail rim and would be fine at your weight too (and it's pretty damn wide too). It comes down to how much of a weight weenie you are and what part of your riding are you looking to improve most (climbing or descending). Everyone's priorities are different so there is no easy answer.

    Here are some pics of a 2.3 DHF mounted on a Farlow 275. That's actually an Ikon 2.35 on the rear in these pics. And for those interested, this is a good example of our custom decals - these are black fill, red stroke.

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    I would go with the Farlow too. I currently use the AM27.5 (very similar, just older version) and they are great. Rock solid, stiff, and I GUARANTEE if you get the Teo you're going to wonder what it's like to have the slightly wider rim. Teocalli is what I've got coming for my hard tail 29er, where I want a little lighter weight (I didn't want as narrow as the Skyline) but don't think I'd get those if I just now ordering wheels for my SC 5010...

    BTW Nox, THANK YOU for the stickers for my 275's!!! I'll bet that Pivot is sweet shredding down the Washing Machine, and it looks light enough to make the climb getting there not too terribly brutal either.

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    Thanks. Mine will go on a AM (plus a couple of enduro a year) hardtail, which is the reason I'm having the Teo/Farlow debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey j View Post
    I would go with the Farlow too. I currently use the AM27.5 (very similar, just older version) and they are great. Rock solid, stiff, and I GUARANTEE if you get the Teo you're going to wonder what it's like to have the slightly wider rim. Teocalli is what I've got coming for my hard tail 29er, where I want a little lighter weight (I didn't want as narrow as the Skyline) but don't think I'd get those if I just now ordering wheels for my SC 5010...

    BTW Nox, THANK YOU for the stickers for my 275's!!! I'll bet that Pivot is sweet shredding down the Washing Machine, and it looks light enough to make the climb getting there not too terribly brutal either.

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    jsutaute,

    See my original post a page or so back with regards to my thoughts on the Farlows I just built. I'm your weight as well. I'm runnign the same tires Nox mentioned above (DHF, DHR2). The stiffness and the traction on these is unreal, and they are still light for what they are. You can't go wrong with the Farlows IMHO, you'll be more than pleased.
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    yah...Farlow is where I'm leaning. Even though the new wheels are going on a hardtail, and I want to "save" some weight, the incremental weight of Farlow (~100g) doesn't seem much. My hardtail is not a feather-weight XC machine, anyway. Of course, always prefer lighter to heavier.

    Thanks again.

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    jsutaute,

    See my original post a page or so back with regards to my thoughts on the Farlows I just built. I'm your weight as well. I'm runnign the same tires Nox mentioned above (DHF, DHR2). The stiffness and the traction on these is unreal, and they are still light for what they are. You can't go wrong with the Farlows IMHO, you'll be more than pleased.

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    [QUOTE=NoxComposites;11595807]Here are some pics of a 2.3 DHF mounted on a Farlow 275. That's actually an Ikon 2.35 on the rear in these pics. And for those interested, this is a good example of our custom decals - these are black fill, red stroke.

    Does the Ikon look bigger than the DHF? I have AM27.5 rims with an Ikon at the rear and a DHR 2 2.3 at the front and the Ikon looks bigger and taller...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justaute View Post
    Thanks. Mine will go on a AM (plus a couple of enduro a year) hardtail, which is the reason I'm having the Teo/Farlow debate.
    Well since it's a hard tail, the extra volume of the Farlow might be nice? I ALMOST got the Farlow's for my 29er hard tail, but weight was my main goal with that bike. My SC 5010 with XX1, KS Lev dropper, CC DBInline, and pedals mounted only weighs 25.5 lbs right now, so you could still end up with a pretty light bike using the Farlow.

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    That would seem to be be the rationale for the Farlow. A bit more volume, thus a bit lower air pressure in the tires. I'm thinking that would provide more, however small, traction and cushion on the hardtail for those couple of enduro races I want to do.

    An AM-hardtail can always use more traction and cushion. I just hope the "logic" here is sound.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey j View Post
    Well since it's a hard tail, the extra volume of the Farlow might be nice? I ALMOST got the Farlow's for my 29er hard tail, but weight was my main goal with that bike. My SC 5010 with XX1, KS Lev dropper, CC DBInline, and pedals mounted only weighs 25.5 lbs right now, so you could still end up with a pretty light bike using the Farlow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maindog View Post
    Does the Ikon look bigger than the DHF? I have AM27.5 rims with an Ikon at the rear and a DHR 2 2.3 at the front and the Ikon looks bigger and taller...
    Yes, the Ikon 2.35 is a higher volume tire for sure.
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    They look really good, I love the stealth look!!

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    Thanks for the pics. You need to flip the bike around, or rotate the wheels ~45 degrees clockwise, so we know the brand is NOX, not XON or OXN.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    At 200lbs I would try to talk you into the Farlow mostly for added stiffness and width. The Teo is a great trail rim and would be fine at your weight too (and it's pretty damn wide too). It comes down to how much of a weight weenie you are and what part of your riding are you looking to improve most (climbing or descending). Everyone's priorities are different so there is no easy answer.

    Here are some pics of a 2.3 DHF mounted on a Farlow 275. That's actually an Ikon 2.35 on the rear in these pics. And for those interested, this is a good example of our custom decals - these are black fill, red stroke.

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    ^^ Black Friday sale special for MTB members?! Planning on waiting until next summer unless you can make me a deal I can't refuse now!
    Also, can you do builds with Hadley hubs? Didn't see them on your list.

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    those look so wicked. Are those wheels anymore than the original 27.5's? I love the fact that there is no weight restriction. At 210 and a hard rider, that is very attractive.

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    **SOLD****
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    Rims: Nox Composites AM-275 Carbon Fiber (27.5” / 650B) Internal Width 29mm
    (Same rim as Farlow 275, NOX just changed the name in October ’14)

    Hubs: Chris King ISO 15mm Front/QR Rear, 32 Hole, Color - Pewter
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    Spokes: SAPIM CX-RAY
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    Wheels built by Dave Thomas www. speeddream.com, one of the top wheel builders.
    Lacing is Dave’s super strong and light 2 cross / 3 cross build. (Front: 3 cross rotor side / 2 cross non-rotor side Rear: 3 Cross Drive side/ 2 cross non-Drive side) Dave has been building my wheels since the ’90s. His wheels are bullet proof!

    I got the wheels the beginning of November and used them a 1/2 dozen times.
    The wheel set has super precise handling, is stiff and the wide rim has great grip cornering and climbing.
    The wheel set is just over kill for my XC riding. Great for an all mountain aggressive rider.

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    you ship to canada? do you have the rear adaptor to 142x12?

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    Really digging the new Teocalli's. I've built two sets recently, one with White Industries CLD hubs, 32H, Revolutions and alloy nipples, 1,505g. Another with I9 hubs, 28H, Revolutions and brass nipples, 1,515g.

    The improved nipple angle makes building much easier as the tension gets high.


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    Liking the Teos on my Ripley. They have handled some pretty chunky trails very well. NOX Composites?-img_3047.jpg

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    I have the xcr 29s, and while the wheels are nice, they are an absolute pain in the ass to set up tubeless. The tape won't stick in the rim channel and the speed evolution valves don't seal the valve holes worth crap. What set-up are you all using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Choro View Post
    I have the xcr 29s, and while the wheels are nice, they are an absolute pain in the ass to set up tubeless. The tape won't stick in the rim channel and the speed evolution valves don't seal the valve holes worth crap. What set-up are you all using?
    I have XCR 29s, built by Nox, and sent to me with tape and valves installed. Set up was the easiest I've done. That was with Specialized 2bliss Ground Controls, 2.3 S works front, 2.0 Control rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    I have XCR 29s, built by Nox, and sent to me with tape and valves installed. Set up was the easiest I've done. That was with Specialized 2bliss Ground Controls, 2.3 S works front, 2.0 Control rear.
    This was my experience as well, but I used a racing Ralph and a knobby Nick.

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    My wheels were not built by nox and did not come with valves or tape installed. So I've had to do that part myself. Still, it shouldn't be as difficult as it has been.

    Is nox's rim tape any different from stan's?

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    NOX appears to use some type of TPP tape and strongly discourages "thick" rim tape. See top of page 2.

    TPP tapes are usually pretty thin (e.g. Kapton @ 1mm). I don't have my NOX yet so I can't tell you whether Kapton would work, but I can tell you Kapton is much thinner than the Stan's I have.

    http://www.noxcomposites.com/sites/d...structions.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by G-Choro View Post
    My wheels were not built by nox and did not come with valves or tape installed. So I've had to do that part myself. Still, it shouldn't be as difficult as it has been.

    Is nox's rim tape any different from stan's?

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    Knockoff of Nox? Just saw these NOBL 29"/700c Matte - 36mm | NOBL Wheels | Online Store 1st rims I've seen that seem to have all the features of Nox. Knockoffs?

    If so, copy and raise the price is a unique strategy.

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    Nobl Carbon Wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    Knockoff of Nox? Just saw these NOBL 29"/700c Matte - 36mm | NOBL Wheels | Online Store 1st rims I've seen that seem to have all the features of Nox. Knockoffs?

    If so, copy and raise the price is a unique strategy.

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