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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Does anybody have a long term review of these? And what is your intended use?
    I don't know if 4 months and a few hundred miles count, but here's a quick review:

    I have the 29er rims with CK hubs (9mm front, 142 rear)--built from Nox directly. Long story short, I love the rims. They have been rock solid from day 1. They replaced the stock wheels, and what I've noticed the most were two things: Lower rotating weight has been helpful on long slogs of a climb, and in tight, twisty single track I've been able to carry more speed, and regain it when its lost. The other thing I've loved is the stiffness, especially up front: even though I'm using a 9mm hub, I really don't have any need to upgrade to a thru-axle. These wheels (to me) feel just as stiff, and track just as well any 15mm alum wheels I've used. On the OEM wheels, I was able to detect some 'softness' in the rear, but that's gone now.

    The only thing I'd change if I could go back in time is replace the CK hubs with I9s... and that's only because the limitations of the King hubs if I ever want to go XX1. But as is, the Kings have been great as well. Love the sound, and the engagement.

    Just for reference-- I have no other experience on carbon rims, but have spent time on I9s and AmClassics. Most of my riding is in the PNW--I'm an XC, wheels on the ground, but plow through anything kinda guy, and I'm 6'3", riding weight is 215ish pounds.

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    Has anyone ridden these and also ridden the LB carbons and/or rims like Spec/Enve/Reynolds? Very intriguing rims, as I'd rather have a bit more QC than the direct from China approach, but struggling to justify the 3X price difference. Especially considering the lifetime warranty of the Specialized Carbon Control (not to mention Spec has been around long enough for the warranty to carry weight).

    There's certainly a need for rims that are somewhere between the direct from China bottom end and get a second mortgage to afford Enve top end.

    Aside from rim pricing, built wheels look to be a bargain. I'd also be interested to see an 27.5 version of your XCR

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    Has anyone ridden these and also ridden the LB carbons and/or rims like Spec/Enve/Reynolds? Very intriguing rims, as I'd rather have a bit more QC than the direct from China approach, but struggling to justify the 3X price difference. Especially considering the lifetime warranty of the Specialized Carbon Control (not to mention Spec has been around long enough for the warranty to carry weight).

    There's certainly a need for rims that are somewhere between the direct from China bottom end and get a second mortgage to afford Enve top end.

    Aside from rim pricing, built wheels look to be a bargain. I'd also be interested to see an 27.5 version of your XCR
    I've built a handful of sets of the Light-Bicycle rims. Feedback has been good. One issue folks have had, however, is getting tires set up tubeless, it's sometimes really difficult to get the bead seated initially. Multiple layers of tape help. The NOX rims are much better in this regard, and also have the asymetrical design, which I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    Has anyone ridden these and also ridden the LB carbons and/or rims like Spec/Enve/Reynolds? Very intriguing rims, as I'd rather have a bit more QC than the direct from China approach, but struggling to justify the 3X price difference. Especially considering the lifetime warranty of the Specialized Carbon Control (not to mention Spec has been around long enough for the warranty to carry weight).

    There's certainly a need for rims that are somewhere between the direct from China bottom end and get a second mortgage to afford Enve top end.

    Aside from rim pricing, built wheels look to be a bargain. I'd also be interested to see an 27.5 version of your XCR
    Yes,

    I've owned Enve, Roval, and the Nox.

    Enve - nice, but a pain in the ass to true. I knocked my AM rear rim a bit out, and with the internal nipples - pain in the ass to true up. I also struggled at times to set them up tubeless (but they always did seal eventually). Nice, very stiff wheelset.

    Specialized (had the trail SL's). Set up tubeless great, stayed true but I kept busting rear spokes like crazy. I've never broken spokes like that. Specialized was great about warranty and sent me a completely new set. (replaced even the front when the rear was my only issue).

    Nox - so far set up tubeless as easy as the Specialized and I really like them. Only got them in October though and have about 250 miles on them.

    If I was starting over however - I'd pick the Nox thus far. Using Hadley hubs this time, which have been nice. That said, would like to see King get that XD driver done.
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    I am glad these are getting great reviews, I hope you guys are doing well and that you can see your way into making some 400gr 26 in all mountain wheels. As far as I can tell only Light Bike and enve are currently making 26 in carbon rims. Until then I will just have to sit around and look at the pretty photos.
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    NoxComposites: can you give a little more detail about using these for CX? Specifically, how wide would I need to go to get the tire bead to seat well, 35mm or more? I have a set of stans iron cross rims on my CX bike, but I weigh 200 pounds and these rims feel 'noodly' to me. I'm thinking of swapping over to some Nox xcr-29 rims to stiffen things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjkowski View Post
    NoxComposites: can you give a little more detail about using these for CX? Specifically, how wide would I need to go to get the tire bead to seat well, 35mm or more? I have a set of stans iron cross rims on my CX bike, but I weigh 200 pounds and these rims feel 'noodly' to me. I'm thinking of swapping over to some Nox xcr-29 rims to stiffen things up.
    You'll be fine with 33mm and wider tires. How many spokes did you go with on your Iron Cross wheelset?
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    My front and rear Iron Cross wheels are both 32 spokes.

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    Any chance these will ever be sold as a rim only option?

    edit: I guess if I would have looked a little closer I would have seen the rim only opton.
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    Thanks to all informative reviews. I initially thought about purchasing the Light-Bicycle carbon rims but after some serious consideration i think Nox might be the one for me. So, i am really considering on unloading of these goodness.

    My concern with Nox carbon rims is the terrain i like to ride in. Typically, Socal and Tucson area where you will find some of the nastiest terrain to ride that has plenty of rocks in different shapes and sizes. A lot of the times these rocks are striking the rims.

    I do have some questions for Nox before i make a decision.

    This is the kind of riding i would be doing on them.
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    How well do these rims do on loose rocks, square edge rocks, baby head rocks, how do they do on Chunk?
    What is the warranty on the rims?
    What is your customer service like?
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    I'm also evaluating these wheels. All I can tell you Scott Forty G is that I've had Easton Haven carbons and now (2) sets of Enve's (one AM and now XC's) and they handle that chunk just fine. Of course, the rims can't get scratched up but they are still very true and I've had zero issues. I have a friend that rides the LB rims and while he's a much more "careful" rider than I am, he's had no problems either. I just can't foresee there being an issue with the NOX wheels either.

    I will say, that like another poster above, that I have had some issues setting up some tires tubeless on the Enve's. Never had that issue with the Eastons. Everything I've read about the NOX wheels has said they are easier to set up that Enve's when going tubeless.

    Nobel was pretty nice yesterday eh? Best dirt I've had out there in a while!!

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    Anything is going to break, however sounds like these are pretty durable. According to NOX they only have had one failure and it was just a chip to a side wall.
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    As an alternative, Derby's are on sale right now for $299
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    As an alternative, Derby's are on sale right now for $299
    What a classy move........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    Has anyone ridden these and also ridden the LB carbons and/or rims like Spec/Enve/Reynolds? Very intriguing rims, as I'd rather have a bit more QC than the direct from China approach, but struggling to justify the 3X price difference. Especially considering the lifetime warranty of the Specialized Carbon Control (not to mention Spec has been around long enough for the warranty to carry weight).

    There's certainly a need for rims that are somewhere between the direct from China bottom end and get a second mortgage to afford Enve top end.

    Aside from rim pricing, built wheels look to be a bargain. I'd also be interested to see an 27.5 version of your XCR
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    What a classy move........
    YaMon- please show me where this is a thread started by, managed or sponsored by NOX? This is a forum where people trade information. Several other brands have already been mention in this thread itself.
    Some people have been mention price, so I mention an alternative that happens to be on sale.

    Funny how you go on long rants in other threads, but what I just did you find fault with.
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    Let me know if you get the NOX i would love to see them in person.

    Yeah Nobel was primo yesterday. Did i run into you up there or ? I took 3 people up there yesterday that has not been there before after a small scare they all kicked ass.

    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I'm also evaluating these wheels. All I can tell you Scott Forty G is that I've had Easton Haven carbons and now (2) sets of Enve's (one AM and now XC's) and they handle that chunk just fine. Of course, the rims can't get scratched up but they are still very true and I've had zero issues. I have a friend that rides the LB rims and while he's a much more "careful" rider than I am, he's had no problems either. I just can't foresee there being an issue with the NOX wheels either.

    I will say, that like another poster above, that I have had some issues setting up some tires tubeless on the Enve's. Never had that issue with the Eastons. Everything I've read about the NOX wheels has said they are easier to set up that Enve's when going tubeless.

    Nobel was pretty nice yesterday eh? Best dirt I've had out there in a while!!

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    Still no 26 in rims though eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bridgestone14 View Post
    Still no 26 in rims though eh?
    No rim brake compatible either. Go figure...



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    I love the bikes I have and none of the marketing or test riding I have done has convinced me I need a larger size wheel. Or maybe I just like a bike with stiff wheels that is quick in the corners, and jumps easier over a bike that is quick through a rock garden.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    YaMon- please show me where this is a thread started by, managed or sponsored by NOX? This is a forum where people trade information. Several other brands have already been mention in this thread itself.
    Some people have been mention price, so I mention an alternative that happens to be on sale.

    Funny how you go on long rants in other threads, but what I just did you find fault with.
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    I believe the name of the thread is NOX Composites.....just saying, real class move.... You come across as that guy that buys Cheap Chinese Carbon and goes into your LBS and ask them to install it, and then ask for a discount......

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
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    I believe the name of the thread is NOX Composites.....just saying, real class move.... You come across as that guy that buys Cheap Chinese Carbon and goes into your LBS and ask them to install it, and then ask for a discount......
    Shows what assuming does, I'm actually that guy that has a frank discussion with the owner of my LBS. I have flat out told him I'd rather support him than an online shop, however I'm not rich and can't just throw money away. I've bought 2 bikes, and 90% of my stuff through him. I go in, say I see this item for this much online, how close can you come. I normally end up paying a little more, but I'm ok with that. I've seen what online shopping does in another hobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Shows what assuming does, I'm actually that guy that has a frank discussion with the owner of my LBS. I have flat out told him I'd rather support him than an online shop, however I'm not rich and can't just throw money away. I've bought 2 bikes, and 90% of my stuff through him. I go in, say I see this item for this much online, how close can you come. I normally end up paying a little more, but I'm ok with that. I've seen what online shopping does in another hobby.
    The specs on a NOX rim vs. a Derby rim are completely different....not even in the same zip code. There was no reason to mention them....The more and more I do my research the more I realize that most "buyers" do not know about these threads. People that come on here, do so several times a day......so when you see 100,000 views, there really is not that many people out there that know about these threads. I was in a bike shop in N. Georgia last week and he had no clue who Derby was. Every bike shop I have ever gone to and asked if a hookless, 35mm, 40mm rim was a good idea.....I got a big NO !!

    I think Derby made a huge mistake by not doing enough diligence before he entered the market. He tried to sell through online sales and then through bike shops and due to his initial price, he was locked into place and could not increase it to give the bike shops enough margin. Do you know why he is still offering the "special". He also misjudged the size of the marketplace that wanted wide, hook less rims......to date he has sold about 300 x 29" rims.....the volume is NOT selling through the internet, it is and will always be with the bike shops. Thank god, the Chinese Mfrs cannot enter this market because every one of them do not carry insurance. No smart bike shop would risk a lawsuit over cheap Chinese carbon. In addition, the Chinese Mfr's cannot sell it low enough for a bike shop top compete with their online sales. They would have to sell a $165 rim for $120 each, and that is not going to happen....

    LB, IPlay, Nextie are all trading companies. At the present time they are manufacturered by one factory......I know, I have their address and even sent someone there. The manufacturers of the large bike companies are the closest held secrets out there. Yet some stupid people think LB manufacturers for the big names......Ha, Ha, Ha....

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    What a classy move........
    Like youre one to talk about class?

    Every thread you enter is with the intent to troll. Even in Derby's own thread you obnoxiously began questioning the need and safety of his design, and then post in other threads about how you think its a flawed design.
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    Lets keep it civil people. I think the Derbys look interesting. Specialized goes hookless and they get pretty solid reviews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bridgestone14 View Post
    Lets keep it civil people. I think the Derbys look interesting. Specialized goes hookless and they get pretty solid reviews.
    There is no talking reason with some of these folks. Find a thread with carbon in the title and Ya mon is on there saying all this stuff over and over and arguing with likely some of the same folks he's arguing with here. Ya mon is either the greatest public service announcer in mtb history, or he has a product/s to protect and has found himself in a position where he thinks ranting on mtbr is the best way to do that.

    Edit: btw, Ya Mon's rant about Specialized hookless rims coming in 5, 4, 3,....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandSpur View Post
    Like youre one to talk about class?

    Every thread you enter is with the intent to troll. Even in Derby's own thread you obnoxiously began questioning the need and safety of his design, and then post in other threads about how you think its a flawed design.
    Be patient, look and see what happens......100 people do not make experts. Specialized does something to reduce costs and everyone jumps on this like it is an engineering feat.......

    By the way, I do wish Derby the best. But I can also see what mistakes he made and it is now very difficult to undo.....it is clearly obviously you do not run your own business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    Specialized does something to reduce costs and everyone jumps on this like it is an engineering feat.......
    3, 2, 1... Man, I didn't even get a chance to finish counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    Be patient, look and see what happens......100 people do not make experts. Specialized does something to reduce costs and everyone jumps on this like it is an engineering feat.......

    By the way, I do wish Derby the best. But I can also see what mistakes he made and it is now very difficult to undo.....it is clearly obviously you do not run your own business.
    Yea, its sooooooo clearly obviously....
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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    Be patient, look and see what happens......100 people do not make experts. Specialized does something to reduce costs and everyone jumps on this like it is an engineering feat.......

    By the way, I do wish Derby the best. But I can also see what mistakes he made and it is now very difficult to undo.....it is clearly obviously you do not run your own business.

    I'll take the advice of a well respected wheel builder who rides some epic chuck on Derby's over your ranting.

    Point being what I did by mentioning an alternative isn't nearly as classy as your rants on other threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    3, 2, 1... Man, I didn't even get a chance to finish counting.
    Yes, such a revolutionary change that every rim manufacturer has adopted it. Let's see, it reduces weight, saves them money.....they clearly must not be seeing something you obviously are.....

    Specialized, Derby, LB.....yes.

    Enve, Reynolds, Sram, Atomik Carbon, NOx Composites, Stans, Azonic, and every other rim manufacturer.....NO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    Yes, such a revolutionary change that every rim manufacturer has adopted it.
    Uh... they came out last year.
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    Let's see, it reduces weight, saves them money...
    You forgot to mention that the rim walls are significantly stronger and more impact resistant... and the fact that what Specialized did with the cost savings was enter the market with a $1,200 complete carbon wheelset with DT internals... all backed by Specialized warranty. Convenient omissions.
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    Enve, Reynolds, Sram, Atomik Carbon, NOx Composites, Stans, Azonic, and every other rim manufacturer.....NO.
    Have you looked at the "hook" on a Stan's rim in the past few years?

    Your "arguments" are ridiculous. All they do is demonstrate your bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Uh... they came out last year.

    You forgot to mention that the rim walls are significantly stronger and more impact resistant... and the fact that what Specialized did with the cost savings was enter the market with a $1,200 complete carbon wheelset with DT internals... all backed by Specialized warranty. Convenient omissions.

    Have you looked at the "hook" on a Stan's rim in the past few years?

    Your "arguments" are ridiculous. All they do is demonstrate your bias.
    WOW....Just about every rim manufacturer gonna jump on this one.......still waiting......Those guys at Specialized sure know how to market....you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people....Oh lookie, it don't fall off the wheel, so it must be good....when riders like Thomas Vanderham and Steve Smith start using those rim designs I will take note....

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    WOW....Just about every rim manufacturer gonna jump on this one.......still waiting......
    They may not... and it may be a horrible idea, but the fact that every other rim manufacturer has not jumped on board by the next model year after their introduction is not a strong argument... it's weak as dog s**t, actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    when riders like Thomas Vanderham and Steve Smith start using those rim designs I will take note....
    I hate to point out the obvious, but both Smith and Vanderham are freeriders on 26" wheels, which aren't available in hookless carbon. You make more sense with every post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    They may not... and it may be a horrible idea, but the fact that every other rim manufacturer has not jumped on board by the next model year after their introduction is not a strong argument... it's weak as dog s**t, actually.

    I hate to point out the obvious, but both Smith and Vanderham are freeriders on 26" wheels, which aren't available in hookless carbon. You make more sense with every post.
    So I just had this thought in my head and I can't stop laughing.....The scene takes place in a Courtroom. Melting feather is suing LB because the carbon rims he bought failed and he has injured himself......

    Judge: So let me get this straight...The (plaintiff) Melting Feather is suing Light Bicycle because he intentionally sought out the cheapest Chinese made rim, rode it in a sport that is considered dangerous, it failed and you were injured....is that correct??

    Mealting Feather: Yes, judge...that is correct.

    Judge: Case Dismissed !!!!

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    I hate to point out the obvious, but both Smith and Vanderham are freeriders on 26" wheels, which aren't available in hookless carbon. You make more sense with every post. [/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    So I just had this thought in my head and I can't stop laughing.....The scene takes place in a Courtroom. Melting feather is suing LB because the carbon rims he bought failed and he has injured himself......

    Judge: So let me get this straight...The (plaintiff) Melting Feather is suing Light Bicycle because he intentionally sought out the cheapest Chinese made rim, rode it in a sport that is considered dangerous, it failed and you were injured....is that correct??

    Mealting Feather: Yes, judge...that is correct.

    Judge: Case Dismissed !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    So I just had this thought in my head and I can't stop laughing.....The scene takes place in a Courtroom. Melting feather is suing LB because the carbon rims he bought failed and he has injured himself......

    Judge: So let me get this straight...The (plaintiff) Melting Feather is suing Light Bicycle because he intentionally sought out the cheapest Chinese made rim, rode it in a sport that is considered dangerous, it failed and you were injured....is that correct??

    Mealting Feather: Yes, judge...that is correct.

    Judge: Case Dismissed !!!!

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    Make up your mind! First you're talking Specialized, which has a presence in the US and warranty, then you default to the cheap Chinese rim and suing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    There is no talking reason with some of these folks. Find a thread with carbon in the title and Ya mon is on there saying all this stuff over and over and arguing with likely some of the same folks he's arguing with here.
    I mean there is literally nothing to be done. You can't shame them into stopping. This back-n-forth will go on for pages. Better to just give this thread up for dead and start a new thread about NOX rims/wheels.

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    You are so correct....I have to ask him the next time I speak to him....
    Not sure what your point is... but to point out the obvious (again) the Element in that video, even though it is an "XC" bike, has 26" wheels. It's also not his usual bike, but a gimmick ride for a RM marketing vid.
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    So I just had this thought in my head and I can't stop laughing.....The scene takes place in a Courtroom. Melting feather is suing LB because the carbon rims he bought failed and he has injured himself......

    Judge: So let me get this straight...The (plaintiff) Melting Feather is suing Light Bicycle because he intentionally sought out the cheapest Chinese made rim, rode it in a sport that is considered dangerous, it failed and you were injured....is that correct??

    Mealting Feather: Yes, judge...that is correct.

    Judge: Case Dismissed !!!!

    BWaa Haaa, Haaaa
    You are a moron.

    Remember that all your posts about trying a get rich quick scheme marking up cheap Chinese carbon rims are still around.

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    My Nox wheels have been great and so have the Derbys with 20psi and 2.4 tires. No tires falling off yet.


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    Has anyone been able to mount WTB tires on the NOX rims? I'm pretty interested in the NOX but not sure i'm willing to give up my Vigilantes. The BikeRumor review said they were unable to mount a set of Bee lines. But that was the 29er and a different tire.

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    I haven't tried a set of WTB tires myself, but I'm guessing the TCS versions will be too tight, for the 29er wheel at least. The AM-275s might take the TCS tires. Hopefully NOX will chime in on their experiences.

    This thread needs more pics! Last two sets I've built, within a gram of one another at 1514g and 1513g. I9 Torch Classic hubs and Shimano XTR hubs.





    I've got a set of the AM-275s on order for a customer, just waiting on the parts. Lacing them up to some orange I9 hubs!!

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    Just got my first pair of AM-275's in for a customer. I like 'em!! Fat and beefy for sure. Both weighed in right at 400g each. Here's a few pics, with some Stan's rim sections for comparison.





    This is an Arch EX, it fits completely inside the bead hooks on the AM-275 rims.


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    I wanted to try NOX but I never git a response from them when I reached out to ask some questions. I tried voicemail and email.

    I ended up going a different direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    I was in a bike shop in N. Georgia last week and he had no clue who Derby was. Every bike shop I have ever gone to and asked if a hookless, 35mm, 40mm rim was a good idea.....I got a big NO !!
    I guess I shouldn't feed the troll, but this comment made me roll my eyes. As someone who lives in N Georgia I have yet to find a LBS that has much of a clue on anything other than the latest from Trek or Specialized. And they usually aren't too up to date on those. Most give you a blank look if you ask about something "exotic" like a King headset.

    Wait for Trek or Specialized to copy Derby's rim design and every bike shop you visit will tell you it is the best thing ever...

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    I got great customer service every time I emailed Nox with questions and the wheels have been working great.
    The Derbys have been nice too. Both are built with the new Hope hubs. I had a few too many beers one night and ordered up a storm. Sold the narrow EC90s and the Crest wheels. Stiff and wide


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    I am 99% sure these will be my next wheel!
    WoW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail_Blazer View Post
    I am 99% sure these will be my next wheel!
    WoW

    I love the website customizing cart so I can pick what I want for a good price and get the color I want too!
    Good choice! Love my wheels from them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail_Blazer View Post
    I am 99% sure these will be my next wheel!
    WoW

    I love the website customizing cart so I can pick what I want for a good price and get the color I want too!
    I just received my 27.5 Nox wheel set this week as well. Had them built up by Dave at Speed Dream. They will be going on a Pivot Mach 6. Aside from their stickers, I'm super impressed so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martinizer View Post
    Has anyone been able to mount WTB tires on the NOX rims? I'm pretty interested in the NOX but not sure i'm willing to give up my Vigilantes. The BikeRumor review said they were unable to mount a set of Bee lines. But that was the 29er and a different tire.
    FWIW, I had my Pivot Mach 6 built up yesterday and the mechanic said the Nobby Nic went on the front w/o too much effort but the Continental Trail King was a biatch to get on. On the flip side, it aired up with a hand pump no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I just received my 27.5 Nox wheel set this week as well. Had them built up by Dave at Speed Dream. They will be going on a Pivot Mach 6. Aside from their stickers, I'm super impressed so far.
    I've been on a set of Speed Dream built NOX 27.5 wheelset for a month........very impressed with the wheels. Dave builds great wheels period. First thing out of the box were those stickers are cheezy......they are to thick. I will eventually take them off. Another note was the Neo Motos were really difficult to install.....part of it was my technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis1 View Post
    I've got a set of the AM-275s on order for a customer, just waiting on the parts. Lacing them up to some orange I9 hubs!!
    I wanna see the orange ones!!

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    I tried putting on a set of Schwalbes; HD up front and NN rear. Dang, friggin fight and I finally won after much sweat and effort. I had put them on with tubes to seal up the tape.

    THEN, tried taking off the NN. Well, after 30 minutes of more sweat and raw skin then when putting them ON they FINALLY came off. And that was w/o sealant. Whats it going to be like with sealant? I had to use a cloth-covered screw driver just to get my plastic tire iron in there and work it around to break the bead. This is NOT going to be fun on a trail-side repair.
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    Not sure about your technique, but I put RR's on, it was easy with soap in a spray bottle and a very low budget compressor.


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    I haven't had to take any tires off, so I can't comment on that, but I hope I don't have the troubles you have had.


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    I did use soapy water. I'm not talking about trying to get the bead to seat. I had trouble just getting the tire onto the rim. But taking it off was worse.

    Anyone else have this problem? I mean it's a real secure bead hook but this is by far the most difficult tire removal I've ever had.
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    I mounted a pair of Schwalbe Thunder Burts to my Nox wheelset about a week ago. Was a bit of a PITA but not terrible by any means. Tires seated no problem using just a floor pump (presta core removed). No reason to try to take the tires off at this point so I don't know how difficult removal will be. My experience has been that once a Schwalbe tire has been inflated and used a bit they stretch out and come off easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    I did use soapy water. I'm not talking about trying to get the bead to seat. I had trouble just getting the tire onto the rim. But taking it off was worse.

    Anyone else have this problem? I mean it's a real secure bead hook but this is by far the most difficult tire removal I've ever had.
    Make sure you're using the correct technique, lots of people still don't know the best way to get tires on tubeless rims. As you get the bead over the sidwall of the rim, push it down into the center channel. The center channel is a smaller diameter than the bead shelf, so it's not nearly as tight a fit. When removing the tire, before pulling it off the rim, push the beads down into the center channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis1 View Post
    Make sure you're using the correct technique, lots of people still don't know the best way to get tires on tubeless rims. As you get the bead over the sidwall of the rim, push it down into the center channel. The center channel is a smaller diameter than the bead shelf, so it's not nearly as tight a fit. When removing the tire, before pulling it off the rim, push the beads down into the center channel.
    That's the correct technique. It took me thirty minutes to figure it out after it wouldn't go on the "old" way. I also used some Uncle Dick's bead slip.........

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    Can someone humor me and take a tire off? I can't be the only one seriously.

    I used Stan's 25mm tape to be more specific too. It's pretty thin, not like Gorilla tape which Nox does not recommend due to it's thickness.

    This was a used Schwalbe too BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey44 View Post
    I wanted to try NOX but I never git a response from them when I reached out to ask some questions. I tried voicemail and email.

    I ended up going a different direction.
    I've asked several questions by email and gotten quick responses. Both through the form on their website and via direct email after that. Though post sale responsiveness to problems is the true test (I haven't purchased yet).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrey j View Post
    I wanna see the orange ones!!




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    Every bike needs more orange IMO!!

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    Want...no NEED these for my SB95c. When will the wider rims be ready!?

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    Hey all,

    We have had a few people submit questions lately via our support webform where they had a typo in their email address so we when we responded it bounced. Try emailing us directly at sales@noxcomposites.com. We respond to almost every email within 24 hours. Of course you can call us too 1-888-545-1282 9-5pm EST.

    Schwalbe tires work great in our experience. Several of us here and many of our test riders and racers are using Schwalbe without a problem. The bead is designed to snap in tightly and resist breaking (so no burping). As far as removal, you should find that after a few days of stretch removal will be quite a bit easier.

    AM-29 rims should be ready around June 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    were those stickers are cheezy......
    You're crazy, the new decals are awesome! :-)

    But we know decals are a personal thing, that's why we put them on top of the clearcoat and use non-permanent adhesive so they come off cleanly.
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    Hey Nox,
    Thanks for the update about the AM-29's. I will be contacting you in the next week or so with a few questions and hopefully get some on order!!

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    Any word on when the xc 27.5 will be available?
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    Just ordered a set of xcr29 with king hubs. Looks like at least 2 weeks out before I will get them.
    Pretty excited to get them. Now waiting on the weather to break.

    Any more reviews out there?

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    Ordered a set of XCR-29's on King hubs as well about 3 weeks ago...got an email from Nox 2 days later saying that the order for my hubs has been placed and another email would follow when hubs are received and my wheelset's in the build queue. That second email hasn't arrived yet. Wonder if it's a King availability issue? I know they periodically experience parts scarcity.

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    What color hubs did you order?

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    ah give them a call, they are a small company sometimes people don't have the staff to make things happen in a timely manner.
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    Same here.
    I think they are waiting on a rim shipment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree View Post
    Same here.
    I think they are waiting on a rim shipment
    ^^This. I've had several people contact me the last few weeks trying to find a set of rims in stock somewhere. They're selling them faster than they can get them in! But availability should improve soon I'm told.

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    Guess I'll ring them up tomorrow...although I'm still waiting on the frame and the fork. This just in time inventory in the bike industry is driving me to drink!

    Alright, you got me...I'd be drinking either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    Guess I'll ring them up tomorrow...although I'm still waiting on the frame and the fork. This just in time inventory in the bike industry is driving me to drink!

    Alright, you got me...I'd be drinking either way.

    :-)
    They're worth the wait... I promise! Love the performance of the rims, and the fact that they're coming from good people doesn't hurt!!

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    Yeah, whatever...my before and after pictures on the biggest loser will be more dramatic at least, having waited 3 years to build my XC bike. So...I got THAT going for me.

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    Any news about the XCR-275? And when the AM-275 is going to be back in stock? And what are the minor improvements? Thanks.

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    Anyone have luck getting there order?
    I ordered a set of wheels 4 weeks ago and have not heard a thing.
    Was told about I should see them in about 2 weeks when the order was placed.

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    Give us a shout if you would like an accurate update. We are starting to catch up a bit now. Apologize for being in a backorder situation for so long, but I assure you we are sending out rims/wheels daily and as fast as we can. We have and are continuing to expand capabilities to prevent this from happening in the future.

    Since everyone else in the industry seems to be announcing the same thing the last few days, we too have gone hookless on the AM-29 and AM-275. The test/fea data is just too hard to deny, we can make a much stronger bead by dropping the hook. More info on our website. Also updated widths and weights posted.

    XCR rims will continue to keep a small hook so you can safely use these for applications where you occasionally want to run a bit higher pressure (gravel/road/cx).
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    I ordered on March 10 and was told it would be 1-2 weeks for hubs. Didn't hear anything and asked again 2 weeks after that, was told rims were out of stock and on the way. Asked again yesterday, was told rims were expected this Friday and wheels would be built as soon as rims were in. I've gotten prompt responses when I've contacted NOX.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tree View Post
    Anyone have luck getting there order?
    I ordered a set of wheels 4 weeks ago and have not heard a thing.
    Was told about I should see them in about 2 weeks when the order was placed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    You are a moron.

    Remember that all your posts about trying a get rich quick scheme marking up cheap Chinese carbon rims are still around.

    How's the lacrosse stick business going? Are those customers you call idiots snatching your cheap Chinese carbon lacrosse sticks up and making you rich off of mark-up... a peddler's game?

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    What's the eta for the am29?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    I ordered on March 10 and was told it would be 1-2 weeks for hubs. Didn't hear anything and asked again 2 weeks after that, was told rims were out of stock and on the way. Asked again yesterday, was told rims were expected this Friday and wheels would be built as soon as rims were in. I've gotten prompt responses when I've contacted NOX.
    Thanks, your wheels are scheduled to be started tomorrow Acree. Again, sorry for the delay. It's frustrating for us too, we hate to not meet our expected ship dates. FWIW, we are keeping the ETA on the website as accurate as possible and stock levels are getting better.

    For those guys that we slipped delivery dates on, we'll throw some swag in for you.

    AM-29 (hookless 29mm wide internal) and AM-275 (hookless 28mm internal) rims are in full production now. We expect first batches to arrive in stock April 25 to May 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    Thanks, your wheels are scheduled to be started tomorrow Acree. Again, sorry for the delay. It's frustrating for us too, we hate to not meet our expected ship dates. FWIW, we are keeping the ETA on the website as accurate as possible and stock levels are getting better.

    For those guys that we slipped delivery dates on, we'll throw some swag in for you.

    AM-29 (hookless 29mm wide internal) and AM-275 (hookless 28mm internal) rims are in full production now. We expect first batches to arrive in stock April 25 to May 1.
    Can't wait. I will have some happy customers knowing they are almost available
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    Can someone explain the differences between hookless and the hook bead ?
    Hookless seems like a bad idea to me. How does the tire stay on ? Just by friction ?
    What happens when the air gets too low ? Does it burp easier ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcpowpow View Post
    Can someone explain the differences between hookless and the hook bead ?
    Hookless seems like a bad idea to me. How does the tire stay on ? Just by friction ?
    What happens when the air gets too low ? Does it burp easier ?
    The hook does little to nothing in regards to tire retention. The kevlar bead maintains the ID of the tire, and therefor the tire on the rim, not the hook.

    It will not burp easier. On a carbon rim, the hook is machined in, whereas the hookless requires no machining, and doesnt harm the integrity of the carbon layup, resulting in a stronger rim.

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    Right on Banana, with modern tires, the beads are so strong that they don't stretch much at all. The hook isn't used to "hold on" the tire, especially when we are talking about relatively low-pressure applications like mountain biking with large volume tires. For example, car/motorcycle/lawnmower/etc rims have been hookless for a long time.

    Many CF rim manufactures have always know that creating a hook in a carbon rim creates a weak spot. I can't speak for other manufacturers, but the changes in layup that we've made by going hookless leads to a DRAMATIC improvement in bead strength and delamination resistance. It's more than just getting rid of the upside down "J" shape (that is sometimes machined out), it's a whole change in the composite layup and how the rim is constructed. Fiber is strongest when it's continuous and a hookless bead allows us to do a seamless layup in the bead area. The benefits regarding durability are pretty great, which is why you are seeing it spread like wildfire as more and more manufacturers realize the benefits.

    With that said, we do feel like you shouldn't go over 45psi as it's possible with some weaker bead tires out there you could get a bit of stretching at higher psi. That's why we are keeping a small hook on our XCR rims, to allow you to run higher pressures for certain types of riding with no fear of blowing off a tire. We also have had no issues with the XCR bead strength so don't see a specific need to change it at this time. But for the AM rims and the kind borderline downhill stuff people are calling AM these days, they need all the strength they can get, and guys on 35mm wide rims will probably never run more than 45psi, so it just makes sense to go hookless in these applications.
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    Ok, thanks for the great explanation of hookless.
    It does seem stronger and better for carbon for sure.
    I agree, I cannot ever imagine my PSI above 28.
    So, now I will wait for the hookless version of the NOX rim : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    Right on Banana, with modern tires, the beads are so strong that they don't stretch much at all. The hook isn't used to "hold on" the tire, especially when we are talking about relatively low-pressure applications like mountain biking with large volume tires. For example, car/motorcycle/lawnmower/etc rims have been hookless for a long time.

    Many CF rim manufactures have always know that creating a hook in a carbon rim creates a weak spot. I can't speak for other manufacturers, but the changes in layup that we've made by going hookless leads to a DRAMATIC improvement in bead strength and delamination resistance. It's more than just getting rid of the upside down "J" shape (that is sometimes machined out), it's a whole change in the composite layup and how the rim is constructed. Fiber is strongest when it's continuous and a hookless bead allows us to do a seamless layup in the bead area. The benefits regarding durability are pretty great, which is why you are seeing it spread like wildfire as more and more manufacturers realize the benefits.

    With that said, we do feel like you shouldn't go over 45psi as it's possible with some weaker bead tires out there you could get a bit of stretching at higher psi. That's why we are keeping a small hook on our XCR rims, to allow you to run higher pressures for certain types of riding with no fear of blowing off a tire. We also have had no issues with the XCR bead strength so don't see a specific need to change it at this time. But for the AM rims and the kind borderline downhill stuff people are calling AM these days, they need all the strength they can get, and guys on 35mm wide rims will probably never run more than 45psi, so it just makes sense to go hookless in these applications.
    So...when I ordered my "hooked" wheels from you guys a month ago, they were the cat's a$$, but now the machining of the bead hook compromises the integrity of the layup and introduces a possible delamination site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    So...when I ordered my "hooked" wheels from you guys a month ago, they were the cat's a$$, but now the machining of the bead hook compromises the integrity of the layup and introduces a possible delamination site?
    uh... learn how to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    uh... learn how to read.
    Touché...reading this thread on my phone and didn't see the last paragraph. My bad.

    Edit: that was supposed to say "touche" with an accent on the e

    Edit 2: now it appears correctly, dumb phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    Touché...reading this thread on my phone and didn't see the last paragraph. My bad.

    Edit: that was supposed to say "touche" with an accent on the e

    Edit 2: now it appears correctly, dumb phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    So...when I ordered my "hooked" wheels from you guys a month ago, they were the cat's a$$, but now the machining of the bead hook compromises the integrity of the layup and introduces a possible delamination site?
    I think this was already said, but XCR is remaining hooked due to reasoning above.

    We don't machine the bead hook, but yes, the hookless design is less likely to delaminate from a rock strike. We would have never sold the AM-275 with a hook if we didn't feel it was strong enough, this is just an evolution to improve the product for the specific application.

    If anyone has problems with a hooked AM-275 (aka the cat a$$ version) then we'll be more than happy to replace it with an AM-275 hookless (aka super cat a$$ version).

    All AM-29s on the market will be SCA versions.
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    Can you clarify if the rims offered by Kappius Components are NOX rims? Design looks kinda familar

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzoo View Post
    Can you clarify if the rims offered by Kappius Components are NOX rims? Design looks kinda familar
    Different internal width, different ERD, bead hook looks different... I'd say no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    Different internal width, different ERD, bead hook looks different... I'd say no.
    Exactly. Only similarities are the asymetrical design and the fact that they're carbon.

    The Kappius are wider (than the XCR), lighter, and more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoxComposites View Post
    All AM-29s on the market will be SCA versions.
    Y'all should really trademark that before someone else does!

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