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    New Panaracer Rampage 2.35

    I received a set of the brand new Panaracer Rampage 26x2.35 tires a couple of weeks ago. I am very impressed!

    This is the best Panaracer I have used since the Dart 2.2 SC and one of the best tires I have ever used.

    Big, grippy, fairly light, grippy, very controllable and did I mention grippy?

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    The cornering is fabulous. I have yet to find its limits and I have been trying. I have only had it slip out on a fast gravel descent and even that was easy to recover. The transition from center to edge is very smooth with no traction loss getting there. It there is any downside to that it is you do not have much feedback as to what is happening but you do not get that from a slick on pavement either.

    A 29x2.35 version is due soon, too. I can hardly wait

    Full specs are now up on my tire site.
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    Where can you get them? I don't seem them on Panaracer's site. Do you think they will work on a smallish rim like the 4.1d?

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    Hey, Kenda called they want their knob pattern back. (it is quite similiar)


    On a more serious not, those look schweet. Do they actually measure 2.35?? Whats the compound their using ZDG, ZDG Ultima???

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    Not on their site yet. The Rampage is just getting in the distribution channels.

    I have been using them on rims the same width as the 4.1 and with pressures as low as 20psi on fairly rough and fast terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red5
    Hey, Kenda called they want their knob pattern back. (it is quite similiar)


    On a more serious not, those look schweet. Do they actually measure 2.35?? Whats the compound their using ZDG, ZDG Ultima???
    But it works MUCH better. More stagger of the knobs and more aggressive edge blocks.

    Size specs are on my site. Compare them with the Neve 2.35.

    Do not know which compound they used.
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    Shiggy,

    How would you compare them to Cinders? I know you've raved about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    But it works MUCH better. More stagger of the knobs and more aggressive edge blocks.

    Size specs are on my site. Compare them with the Neve 2.35.

    Do not know which compound they used.
    Just did the comparison, sorry about the stupid question didn't think you'd have it up so fast, pretty similiar, except for the slight weight difference.

    So far, I'm impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timehoc
    Shiggy,

    How would you compare them to Cinders? I know you've raved about them.

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    Comparable and better than the Cinder. The Cinder has a strange lag feel on turn-in entering corners. The Rampage has none. The Rampage feels more stable when really leaned over and railing a turn though I really had no complaint with the Cinder.

    The Rampage 2.35 is higher volume and lighter than the Cinder 2.25.

    The Cinder 2.25 feels a bit more firm-cushy, probably a function of the size/location of the tread blocks - tighter spacing. The Rampage is still plenty cushy, just different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red5
    ...sorry about the stupid question didn't think you'd have it up so fast...
    I do not post "Full specs are now up on my tire site" until the specs are posted on the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduddy
    Where can you get them?
    The word from Panaracer:
    Rampage will be available in August from our distributors. Shops could have them in August including mail order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red5
    Whats the compound their using ZDG, ZDG Ultima???
    The word from Panaracer:
    The compound is a tweaked version of ZSG that's 20% more durable than the ZSG we use on Cinder and still gives a nice, plush feel of a sticky compound standard rubber tire from Maxxis or Kenda.
    We do adjust the compound depending on the use of the tire, etc.
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    What's the rolling resistance like? I have to go over some paved roads to hit the trail....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduddy
    What's the rolling resistance like? I have to go over some paved roads to hit the trail....
    Reasonable. They do not feel slow. It is a full knobby. I never worry about rolling resistance of a knobby tire on pavement. Traction on dirt is more important than being a bit slower on the asphalt.
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    I currently have Bontrager Jones XR tires on my hardtail. Its good for when I commute, but seems to really get loose on the Norcal dirt and gravel.

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    If it weren't you Shiggy, I would doubt a lot just by looking at the tread. Those center knobs are seriously ramped, even more than a High Roller, good for rolling resistance but, don't they slip easily when climbing or is it a front specific tire?

    Also: any UST version to come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    If it weren't you Shiggy, I would doubt a lot just by looking at the tread. Those center knobs are seriously ramped, even more than a High Roller, good for rolling resistance but, don't they slip easily when climbing or is it a front specific tire?

    Also: any UST version to come?
    Generally I am not a fan of ramped knobs. My "grippy" description is more about the directional stability and cornering traction than the drive/braking traction.

    When run in the "front" direction the rear tire can spin out when climbing though not as badly as I expected (and this was with a singlespeed on a gravel road). I think the notches in the ramps and the short bar between the center blocks increases the grip.

    When run in the "rear" direction the drive traction is no worse than any other tire. The braking traction is slightly reduced though, once again, not as much as I expected. Worse on loose/soft surfaces than firmer and hardpack.

    Still acts like a full knobby.

    UST? Jeff, care to comment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Generally I am not a fan of ramped knobs. My "grippy" description is more about the directional stability and cornering traction than the drive/braking traction.

    When run in the "front" direction the rear tire can spin out when climbing though not as badly as I expected (and this was with a singlespeed on a gravel road). I think the notches in the ramps and the short bar between the center blocks increases the grip.

    When run in the "rear" direction the drive traction is no worse than any other tire. The braking traction is slightly reduced though, once again, not as much as I expected. Worse on loose/soft surfaces than firmer and hardpack.

    Still acts like a full knobby.

    UST? Jeff, care to comment?
    Well, that tread, in UST form and the lower pressure I love, could grip well. As the tire compress, the intermediate knobs are not ramped and should help drive/brake traction... Damn, I hope there are no UST version for now, I haven't even used my Hutchinson Barracudas 2.3 UST yet!

    But Jeff, please tell me a UST version is in the works... I'm only using tubes in road tires now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    But it works MUCH better. More stagger of the knobs and more aggressive edge blocks.

    Size specs are on my site. Compare them with the Neve 2.35.

    Do not know which compound they used.
    I like the way they look. I like a tire with a nice gap between the main and edge knobs. The edge knobs look well supported also.

    I can't wait for the 29" version. I think it'll be an unreal front tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Well, that tread, in UST form and the lower pressure I love, could grip well. As the tire compress, the intermediate knobs are not ramped and should help drive/brake traction... Damn, I hope there are no UST version for now, I haven't even used my Hutchinson Barracudas 2.3 UST yet!

    But Jeff, please tell me a UST version is in the works... I'm only using tubes in road tires now.
    Yes, at lower pressures the intermediate knobs definately help with drive/braking traction.

    I seem to remember reading an article by Continental years ago, that said at certain pressures, the intermediate knobs actually exerted more force on the ground than the center knobs. I found that odd but interesting.
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    ...wow, those look fantastic! I can't imagine those not being available in UST. A 2.1 or 2.2 version would be nice as well....


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    How do they compare the the 2.25 Mibro?

    There's a slight similarity between the center knobs of the Rampge and Mibro, although there's definitely differences between the side knobs.

    How does the ride compare with the Mibro? I've liked the 2.25 version as a front tire for dry/loose/rocky conditions thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Que?
    There's a slight similarity between the center knobs of the Rampge and Mibro, although there's definitely differences between the side knobs.

    How does the ride compare with the Mibro? I've liked the 2.25 version as a front tire for dry/loose/rocky conditions thus far.

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    Totally different design than the Mibro. The Mibro tread is small and delicate compared to the Rampage. The IRC does corner very well.

    Another rider using nearly new Mibro 2.1s has been on most of the same rides I used the Rampage. His tires show wear, especially the the rear. The Rampages still look nearly new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...wow, those look fantastic! I can't imagine those not being available in UST. A 2.1 or 2.2 version would be nice as well....
    But Panaracer has a very limited UST tire range... Jeff? I want a pair of the 2.35 in UST... please.

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    Those look great, hoping for a light UST version...

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    Excellent. Thanks. I've too noticed that the Mibros tend to wear quicker than I expected. I'll have to try the Rampage once my current stock of Mibros is depleted.

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    the old dart 2.2 SC was my front tire of choice in the early 90s
    hated the 2.1, LOVED the 2.2 SC

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    the old dart 2.2 SC was my front tire of choice in the early 90s
    hated the 2.1, LOVED the 2.2 SC
    Me, too. Not sure what it was about the 2.1 but it was just not as good.

    I scored a NOS Dart 2.2 SC a couple of months ago!
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    that's funny
    when I hear or see "NOS" I think of 12AX7 preamp tubes..
    old telefunkens, mullards, etc..

    I am a guitarist and an tube junkie

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    so what kind of weights are we talking here for these new tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrekFan
    so what kind of weights are we talking here for these new tires?
    The specs are in Shiggy's site... They are around 700grams for a 2.35 tube version.

    Shiggy: slightly off-topic but your pictures are interesting, I think it would be nice if there were pictures of the tires along with the specs on your site. It would be THE reference for real world tire specs and pictures.

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    better as front or rear tire?

    UST?

    tanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappoix
    better as front or rear tire?

    UST?

    tanks...
    Both.

    No.
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    FWIW, I contacted Panaracer back toward the beginning of the year as I was searching for a larger UST tire asking if they had plans for the Fire FR in UST. I commented on how much I like the Fire XC UST and would like the same just bigger. They commented that something new was coming later in the year.

    I'm guessing that since this new tire is very similar to the Fire and they hinted that a new larger volume UST was coming, this may be it.
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    Shiggy, will they come in other widths, such as a 2.1 or 2.5 even?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    The word from Panaracer:
    Rampage will be available in August from our distributors. Shops could have them in August including mail order.
    [Sniff] Thanks for getting me all excited about something to mate up with my Cinder. Look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    that's funny
    when I hear or see "NOS" I think of 12AX7 preamp tubes..
    old telefunkens, mullards, etc..

    I am a guitarist and an tube junkie
    Hehe that's true... a NOS Dart will run slightly cheaper than a NOS Mullard I guess... we're lucky here in the bike world! NOS tubes score insane prices... btw... NOS Sylvania 6CA7 would be tasty!

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    The Rampage 29x2.35 arrived today!
    Posing with the competition (in the top pic, l-r: Specialized Fast Trak 2.00, Bontrager Jones XR front 2.25, Panaracer Rampage 2.35, WTB Exiwolf 2.3, Maxxis Ignitor 2.10 - all 29")

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    Shiggy, care to share what each of those tires are? Or are we suppose test our knowledge and guess? heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destroy
    Shiggy, care to share what each of those tires are? Or are we suppose test our knowledge and guess? heh.
    Everybody on the 29er board knows what they are!
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    How does the new rampage compare to the Fire XC's that everyone raves about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbum
    How does the new rampage compare to the Fire XC's that everyone raves about?
    I never cared much for the Fire XC so there is no comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trialsrookie
    Hehe that's true... a NOS Dart will run slightly cheaper than a NOS Mullard I guess... we're lucky here in the bike world! NOS tubes score insane prices... btw... NOS Sylvania 6CA7 would be tasty!
    I like STR's on 12AX7's... Less headroom but more crunch. It's sweetly dirty as the volume goes up.

    Any good humbuckers nowadays? Or still are the Duncan's 59's the pickup to have?

    Sorry for the off track.

    BTW... Those Rampages look sweet... seems like the "tyre du jour"
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    how do these perform in muddy conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkr0101
    how do these perform in muddy conditions?
    Has not been muddy so I do not know. Have had a few very short wet/muddy spots and they worked fine though they were not enough to make any judgement one way or the other.

    I likely will not use in in the mud simply because I prefer narrower tires for mud and the Panaracer TrailRaker (1.95/2.1) is one of the best mudders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Has not been muddy so I do not know. Have had a few very short wet/muddy spots and they worked fine though they were not enough to make any judgement one way or the other.

    I likely will not use in in the mud simply because I prefer narrower tires for mud and the Panaracer TrailRaker (1.95/2.1) is one of the best mudders.
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    Those are some sweet looking tires. Nice to see panaracer coming out with something in the 2.35 range. I was amped on the FR2.4 until I mounted it up and found it to be more like a FR2.6. I also like the cinder 2.2, but find that I pinch flat it. This looks like an excellent tire smack in the middle and lighter to boot. Whoo hoo

    If it rolls like the nevegal, but grips better than this will be my new favorite AM tire. Off to QBP to see about getting me some of these

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    Quote Originally Posted by dscot420
    If it rolls like the nevegal, but grips better than this will be my new favorite AM tire. Off to QBP to see about getting me some of these
    From Panaracer a few weeks ago. As we are approaching Sept, don't know exact relaese date.



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    Shiggy, I have Nevegal 2.35 DTC's and one problem I've had is that at lower (but not too low) pressures, the tire deflects on hard corners, as well as upon landings. If I run the pressure just barely high enough to prevent this, I lose a significant amount of cornering traction.

    How would you compare the Rampage to the Nevegal in this respect? I'm running DT 5.1's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Shiggy, I have Nevegal 2.35 DTC's and one problem I've had is that at lower (but not too low) pressures, the tire deflects on hard corners, as well as upon landings. If I run the pressure just barely high enough to prevent this, I lose a significant amount of cornering traction.

    How would you compare the Rampage to the Nevegal in this respect? I'm running DT 5.1's.
    I do not have problems with either tire. I have been running the Rampage as low as 22-25psi on a 22mm wide (outside) rim. I corner hard, not much of a jumper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dscot420
    ...If it rolls like the nevegal...
    It does not, in a good way.
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    Dang those look sweet! If they bring out a slightly narrower one (I have some clearance issues for rear tires, so a 2.1 or 2.2 would be ideal for me) I will have to bypass the Cinders and go right to the Rampages. (Panaracers have a strong following up here where I live).
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    Shiggy you must tire of the comparison requests, but... how is the sidewall thickness compared to the Nevegal & Big Betty? I'm hoping for something closer to the Big Betty.

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    The Big Betty has a rubber insert in the sidewall. The Ram' and (folding) Neve' do not.
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    Run Tubeless?

    Hi Shiggy - appreciate your tire info!

    Have you tried to run the rampage tubeless? Are there any issues running these tires tubelesss? - either Stans or DT Tubeless?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by murphie
    Hi Shiggy - appreciate your tire info!

    Have you tried to run the rampage tubeless? Are there any issues running these tires tubelesss? - either Stans or DT Tubeless?

    Thanks!
    I will not do DIY tubeless but Panaracer endorses Stan's.
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    Wow, Stan's approved. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    It does not, in a good way.
    I guess this translates to less rolling resistance. Sweet.

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    According to Panaracer, they will now be in stores late September. I cannot wait!

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    I've been running the 2.1 Nev DTC in the back and the 2.1 Blue Groove Stick-E in the front. I have between 500 and 600 miles on the Nev, and have noticed a tremendous decrease in climbing and straight line braking traction. I took off the Nev and put back on a 2.00 Spec Fast Trak Pro I had laying around. HUGE increase in climbing traction. I'm wondering if the Rampage will last longer than the Nev.

    Still not on their site yet. I hope they offer it in 2.1. I only ride a Flux and don't need a 700 gram rear tire.

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    This thread was passed on to me and always looking for better tires. I had Single Track Cycles in North Bend ordered them in for me.

    They arrived on Saturday and I've put 14 miles on them on Sunday.

    I agree with everything being said on these tires so far. I took off a pair of Nevegals that were only a week old to give these tires a try.

    If they handle as well in wet conditions I'll be ordering another pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkens
    This thread was passed on to me and always looking for better tires. I had Single Track Cycles in North Bend ordered them in for me.

    They arrived on Saturday and I've put 14 miles on them on Sunday.

    I agree with everything being said on these tires so far. I took off a pair of Nevegals that were only a week old to give these tires a try.

    If they handle as well in wet conditions I'll be ordering another pair.
    Did Single Track Cycles order them through QBP?

    Anyone else seeing these available? If so, around what price?

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    They ordered them through a Distributor in Washington. I paid $37 each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkens
    They ordered them through a Distributor in Washington. I paid $37 each.
    That's a decent price!
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    Jenson USA has them on the web site

    But they're not in stock yet. Listed as $32

    http://jensonusa.com/store/product/T...+Mtb+Tire.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkens
    They ordered them through a Distributor in Washington. I paid $37 each.
    Mostly likely from Seattle Bike Supply.
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    BTI shows them out of stock too... But then, I have no access to the "Dealer" Area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkens
    This thread was passed on to me and always looking for better tires. I had Single Track Cycles in North Bend ordered them in for me.

    They arrived on Saturday and I've put 14 miles on them on Sunday.

    I agree with everything being said on these tires so far. I took off a pair of Nevegals that were only a week old to give these tires a try.

    If they handle as well in wet conditions I'll be ordering another pair.
    How do they compare to the Kenda's, considering that they look almost identicle...???
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    xjbebop, say it isn't so. Please don't tell me you didn't read shiggy's comments throughout this thread. You now must sell your Turner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royta
    xjbebop, say it isn't so. Please don't tell me you didn't read shiggy's comments throughout this thread. You now must sell your Turner.
    I just saw the pictures and saw a Nevegal with dressed-up knobs....why, you looking for a deal on a Spot???
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    The biggest difference I noticed right away and as mentioned by the originally reviewer is Rolling Resistance. There is a day and night difference between the two, you don't feel like your pushing around a big tractor tire. I've been running Kenda's for so long I had forgotten that they had that much resistance, I just liked the fact they did so well in the winter.

    I am riding in powder conditions right now, because of lack of rain all summer and on short steep climbs these tires are hooking up well in those conditions. The Kenda's were washing out in the corners, I haven't had that issue with these yet.

    It's suppose to rain all weekend, so I'll get some riding in wet conditions with these tires soon. If they don't grip the roots well like the Kenda's do in wet conditions then I'll go back to Kenda's. If they do then this will be my all season tire.

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    These tires too much for my Stumpy FSR?

    Hi Shiggy,

    In your opinion, would these tires be a good match for my Stumpy FSR? I do ride it All-Mountain style more than purely xc. And I'm on the East Coast here, so I'm dealing with quite a variety of terrain, from rocky babyhead territory to sandy and rooty to mud bogs after rain. Most places I ride tend to be smaller parks (compared to out West) that are pretty technical with lots of twisty turns and rolling land versus one big climb.

    Currently, I'm on the Specialized Resolutions/Adrenalines that came with my Stumpy, and they actually do pretty okay for the places I ride, with the exception of sand. But they're showing some wear, and I'm wondering whether to get the same tires or get something new. I'm shying away from the Nevegal's because of what everyone's said about rolling resistance.

    Anyway, any thoughts you may have would be appreciated.

    Best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by madgeronimo
    Hi Shiggy,

    In your opinion, would these tires be a good match for my Stumpy FSR? I do ride it All-Mountain style more than purely xc. And I'm on the East Coast here, so I'm dealing with quite a variety of terrain, from rocky babyhead territory to sandy and rooty to mud bogs after rain. Most places I ride tend to be smaller parks (compared to out West) that are pretty technical with lots of twisty turns and rolling land versus one big climb.

    Currently, I'm on the Specialized Resolutions/Adrenalines that came with my Stumpy, and they actually do pretty okay for the places I ride, with the exception of sand. But they're showing some wear, and I'm wondering whether to get the same tires or get something new. I'm shying away from the Nevegal's because of what everyone's said about rolling resistance.

    Anyway, any thoughts you may have would be appreciated.

    Best,
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    I live in NC and have a Stumpy FSR as well. I love the Adrenaline/Resolution as a front tire. I am running a Cinder in the rear. I absolutely love this combination and although the Cinder hooks up great, the rolling resistance makes it feel quite slow. I was looking for a replacement tire and the Rampage looks perfect.

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    Your stumpy

    Quote Originally Posted by Lumbee1
    I live in NC and have a Stumpy FSR as well. I love the Adrenaline/Resolution as a front tire. I am running a Cinder in the rear. I absolutely love this combination and although the Cinder hooks up great, the rolling resistance makes it feel quite slow. I was looking for a replacement tire and the Rampage looks perfect.
    That would be an interesting combo of tires. But wouldn't you have a fatter rear tire than front with the Rampage 2.35 in back and the 2.0 Resolution in front? The Resolution is a pretty chubby tire, however, for its stated width.

    I'm thinking I might order me a pair and try the Rampages front and back.

    I agree with you, though, that the Resolution is a better front tire than rear. I notice a bit of drag, especially on technical climbs. The tire does stick, but it doesn't have great roll back there.

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    As there have been several people, including myself who have expressed an interest in the Panaracer Rampage in a UST version, I thought that I'd post the following information from the UK based mountain bike forum "Bike Magic". It is from their report on Eurobike.

    "The Rampage is all-new. The square blocked tyre, designed as an all-rounder for all conditions and all terrains, comes in 2.1in (with UST option) or a proper 2.35in."

    Its a bit disappointing. It seems that some manufacturers shy away from making larger UST tires. The situation is the same with the Kenda Nevegal. They also only make it in a 2.1 UST version.

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    I'll take any UST I can get.

    As much as I would like a fatty, maybe the tread pattern makes up for it. Besides, the 2.1 weight is a plus.

    I'm just dying to get my hands of some of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    As there have been several people, including myself who have expressed an interest in the Panaracer Rampage in a UST version, I thought that I'd post the following information from the UK based mountain bike forum "Bike Magic". It is from their report on Eurobike.

    "The Rampage is all-new. The square blocked tyre, designed as an all-rounder for all conditions and all terrains, comes in 2.1in (with UST option) or a proper 2.35in."

    Its a bit disappointing. It seems that some manufacturers shy away from making larger UST tires. The situation is the same with the Kenda Nevegal. They also only make it in a 2.1 UST version.

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    FYI Panaracer offers some different models in the UK that are not available in the US. A UST version of the TrailRaker has been offered in Britain for at least a year. Not offered here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    As there have been several people, including myself who have expressed an interest in the Panaracer Rampage in a UST version, I thought that I'd post the following information from the UK based mountain bike forum "Bike Magic". It is from their report on Eurobike.

    "The Rampage is all-new. The square blocked tyre, designed as an all-rounder for all conditions and all terrains, comes in 2.1in (with UST option) or a proper 2.35in."

    Its a bit disappointing. It seems that some manufacturers shy away from making larger UST tires. The situation is the same with the Kenda Nevegal. They also only make it in a 2.1 UST version.

    Ronnie.
    well then... maybe I'll just have to grab the 2.35 and run it with stans on my mav 819's.
    seriously, is the bead on the rampage strong enough to withstand this?

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    Thanks for the update Shiggs; looks like something I would throw on the front of my bike. How does it compare to a Kenda Nevegal 2.1? How much does it weigh?
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    Well alright, a 2.1 non-UST will be offered. I just hope it get's offered in teh US soon. I hope it's tread life lasts longer than the 2.1 Nev non-UST. I've already lost significant climbing and braking traction in just 600 miles on mine. Maybe that's normal for the Nev, it doesn't seem like it should be though. Maybe I'm just riding more aggressively since switching from a hard tail to a squish bike.

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    What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? We already knew that from the very last sentence, HERE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    FYI Panaracer offers some different models in the UK that are not available in the US. A UST version of the TrailRaker has been offered in Britain for at least a year. Not offered here.
    Who cares, if only they made a 2.35 UST, I'd buy it online in the UK from someone like Chain Reaction Cycles.

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    I wasn't responding to you. Ice axe asked how much it weighed.

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    panaracer 'endorses' stans FWIW. I'm gonna give the 'regular' 2.35 a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    I wasn't responding to you. Ice axe asked how much it weighed.
    It does avoid confusion if you actually reply to the post in question
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    I DID. I happened to respond using an older mac operating system which will not quote other posters...

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    Is it so wrong to have a rubber (tyre) fetish..? Wife seems to understand, but then she does have two horses...

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    Sir Shiggy...

    Shiggy.

    In the process of building up a new frame and know that the rampage is wider than all previous 29er tires what is the width on this one to ensure that the frame will clear.

    Any info on the new wtb 2.55 29er? Width?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crux
    Shiggy.

    In the process of building up a new frame and know that the rampage is wider than all previous 29er tires what is the width on this one to ensure that the frame will clear.

    Any info on the new wtb 2.55 29er? Width?
    Nope. I will not quote any dimensions until I personally measure the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    I DID. I happened to respond using an older mac operating system which will not quote other posters...
    I guess you could copy the text you are responding to, and then physically type in the vB code yourself. It's not that difficult. See HERE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Nope. I will not quote any dimensions until I personally measure the tire.
    Thought that you had a few sets to test. Thanks for being honest I'll wait longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crux
    Thought that you had a few sets to test. Thanks for being honest I'll wait longer.
    WTB has not seen me as "worthy" to receive any sample tires. The ones I have measured have come through other channels.
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    ordered a 2.35 Rampage from Webcyclery

    went on a Mavic 3.1 UST rim with a bit of Stans and soapy water.

    we'll see how it goes today on a ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappoix
    ordered a 2.35 Rampage from Webcyclery

    went on a Mavic 3.1 UST rim with a bit of Stans and soapy water.

    we'll see how it goes today on a ride

    stoked!
    PLease report back, as I'm going to try the VERY same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappoix
    ordered a 2.35 Rampage from Webcyclery

    went on a Mavic 3.1 UST rim with a bit of Stans and soapy water.

    we'll see how it goes today on a ride

    stoked!
    They only have the Panaracer Fire Cross tire listed .o?

    edit: in 29er

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    The biggest difference i noticed when changing form 2.35 Nevegal on the front and single ply 2.35 Minion on the rear was the rolling resistance - or the lack of it. I pre-ordered some of these (in UK) and received them last week.

    I have only had three rides on them so far, but so far all the impressions aregood. Loads of grip on the turns and downhill and lack of rolling resistance going up. Even managed a stretch uphill in the big ring, not something I remember ever doing .
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    To dispel rumors and also hoping to encourage them to look at a larger UST tire, I sent the following mail to Panaracer:

    "It is with much interest that I have been reading reviews about your new Rampage 2.35 tire. I would like to enquire if this tire will be available as a UST variation in a 2.35 size? It is not just the weight weenie racing types that want tubeless tires. I have been riding a competitor's 2.3 UST tire on the rocky and rooty trails of New Jersey for two and a half years and never had a flat."

    I received the following reply:

    "We will introduce a 2.1 UST Rampage at Interbike. A 2.35 is still
    being worked on."

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    Quote Originally Posted by madgeronimo
    Hi Shiggy,

    In your opinion, would these tires be a good match for my Stumpy FSR? I do ride it All-Mountain style more than purely xc. And I'm on the East Coast here, so I'm dealing with quite a variety of terrain, from rocky babyhead territory to sandy and rooty to mud bogs after rain. Most places I ride tend to be smaller parks (compared to out West) that are pretty technical with lots of twisty turns and rolling land versus one big climb.

    Currently, I'm on the Specialized Resolutions/Adrenalines that came with my Stumpy, and they actually do pretty okay for the places I ride, with the exception of sand. But they're showing some wear, and I'm wondering whether to get the same tires or get something new. I'm shying away from the Nevegal's because of what everyone's said about rolling resistance.

    Anyway, any thoughts you may have would be appreciated.

    Best,
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    Patapsco Buddy, My favorite front tires are Adrenaline 2.0 and Mutanoraptor 2.4 for most places I ride. For baby heads in north NJ I like Adrenaline 2.2 - huge tire,a little slow rolling but you dont feel it while riding over big rocks. I prefer a light 2.0 tire for the rear like a Karma or Roll-x. A heavy, slow rolling big knob rear tire will spin out just as easy as a semi slick if you don't weight it properly or put too much air in it.

    Selecting tires is like buying a saddle. The only way to tell If you like it is to buy it and try it. Just because other people like it, does not mean that you'll like it. If Shiggy says the best tire is xxx brand and you go out and buy it and find it's a terrible, it's not his fault. After all, it is the best tire for Shiggy. So you must become a tire whore and buy and try as many tires as you can until you find what's best for you. Right Shiggy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    PLease report back, as I'm going to try the VERY same thing.
    it rolled well, maybe a bit more resistance than my old worn down Geax Barro Marathon, but the treads are new and bigger. I have it mounted backwards so the ramp on the the center knobs faced backwards, and traction was good. Much better carving traction than the worn down Barro I was running.

    I will say that pre-ride, it had lost some air since yesterdays inflation, but a few quick pumps before I left my car and it was good to go. I started with 37 psi (tire says 35-55 psi) and that seemed a bit low. Maybe a bit sluggish and during the ride it burped once, causing it to get a bit too soft and roll over in the corners. I raised the psi to around 40 and it rolled much better. I think that it will need higher psi to stay on the rim and roll correctly.

    very happy with it so far. another ride tomorrow.

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