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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappoix
    it rolled well, maybe a bit more resistance than my old worn down Geax Barro Marathon, but the treads are new and bigger. I have it mounted backwards so the ramp on the the center knobs faced backwards, and traction was good. Much better carving traction than the worn down Barro I was running.

    I will say that pre-ride, it had lost some air since yesterdays inflation, but a few quick pumps before I left my car and it was good to go. I started with 37 psi (tire says 35-55 psi) and that seemed a bit low. Maybe a bit sluggish and during the ride it burped once, causing it to get a bit too soft and roll over in the corners. I raised the psi to around 40 and it rolled much better. I think that it will need higher psi to stay on the rim and roll correctly.

    very happy with it so far. another ride tomorrow.

    Thanx, your rolling these on the front or back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    BTI shows them out of stock too... But then, I have no access to the "Dealer" Area.
    BTI has them in now, I have some on the way from them. FYI, dealer section of their site is exactly the same except it shows pricing if you have a dealer login, so what you see accessing it as a consumer is accurate in terms of stock.

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    Still not in at Jensen. Anybody have any other leads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappoix
    I started with 37 psi (tire says 35-55 psi) and that seemed a bit low. Maybe a bit sluggish and during the ride it burped once, causing it to get a bit too soft and roll over in the corners. I raised the psi to around 40 and it rolled much better. I think that it will need higher psi to stay on the rim and roll correctly.
    I can run my UST tires at 30psi. without any problem. I've never tried them lower. Low pressure is supposed to be one of the big advantages of tubeless. Thanks for the heads up. I have always been against DIY tubeless but I was toying with the idea of trying it. At least it crossed my mind. My Mavic XM819 are basically the same rims as yours and you're telling me that the tire burps at 37psi. No thank you! Put some tubes in man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    I can run my UST tires at 30psi. without any problem. I've never tried them lower. Low pressure is supposed to be one of the big advantages of tubeless. Thanks for the heads up. I have always been against DIY tubeless but I was toying with the idea of trying it. At least it crossed my mind. My Mavic XM819 are basically the same rims as yours and you're telling me that the tire burps at 37psi. No thank you! Put some tubes in man!

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    That does seem a little high in terms of PSI... maybe you need to let the stans set in a little longer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    BTI has them in now, I have some on the way from them.
    You really know how to put people into temptation, Larry!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    FYI, dealer section of their site is exactly the same except it shows pricing if you have a dealer login, so what you see accessing it as a consumer is accurate in terms of stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    Thanx, your rolling these on the front or back?
    running it in back

    this morning the tire seems to have lost a bit of air, i didn't put a gauge on it, but it feels softer

    will confirm when i ride this afternoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    That does seem a little high in terms of PSI... maybe you need to let the stans set in a little longer?
    Tap is not a small boy. Many riders report they need fairly high pressures with DIY tubeless to maintain sidewall stability.

    With tubes and on narrower rims I have been running the Rampage at 22-28psi with good results. This is with both the 26 and 29 inch versions (I am ~180lbs).
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    Shiggy, if you only had 1 rampage would you run it front or back?

    or, it's so good so you buy 2 rampage's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Shiggy, if you only had 1 rampage would you run it front or back?

    or, it's so good so you buy 2 rampage's?
    If you had 1, front. Recommend 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    If you had 1, front. Recommend 2.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Tap is not a small boy.
    'tis true. I'm 230 with gear. I like to think of it as "husky".

    again, this is a Rampage 2.35 on a Mavic 819 tubeless.

    update-

    tire again lost pressure during the night.
    tire pinch flatted with 40 psi in it as I hammered through a rock garden.
    tire pinch flatted again with a tube in it (just as I said, "Hey, this tube in here doesn't feel that bad! ). probably wasn'tpump it up enough.

    still, it runs well with a tube, but I don't ahve a pressure measurement right now.

    I'd just avoid running the 2.35 tubeless, even with Stans. I probably should have gotten the 2.1. (What is the difference in true size b/t the 2.1 and the 2.35?)

    oh well. i'll just run it with tubes for now. i think i'll replace the regular tube with a light one to save weight. maybe I should just stop drinking Black Butte Porter

    (anyone know how solidly a regular Motoraptor 2.4 would sit on an tubeless 819?)

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    Yikes!

    You've got 95 pounds of "huskiness" that I don't have to climb with.

    (This is the only forum I know where being 135 pounds is considered desireable.)

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    Shiggy-Panaracer Rampage

    Is the Rampage a single or dual ply or both? What dual ply tires are good for hard pack and loose rock but are not overly heavy. Size at least a 2.3 on up. I currently have Nevs 2.35 nonust and the Goatheads are killing me with the flats constantly. Any cure? I live in Ausitn, Tx. where it is dry 75 to 85 percent of the time, yeh and HOT too. Lots of shale rock and hard pack. Lite Freeride but mostly hard trail riding type of riding I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappoix
    anyone know how solidly a regular Motoraptor 2.4 would sit on an tubeless 819?
    The Motoraptor 2.4 wire bead (cheapo, not Race version) has nice thick sidewalls and works good on a Mavic 221 I have, but with tubes. Mine measures a true 2.3" real.

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    Tap, 40psi and you pinch flatted the Rampage? I am 210 with gear and run my Cinder between 36 and 40psi. I tried it at ~25psi once and had lots of issues but not a single pinch flat.

    My current Cinder (rear only) is showing wear but I have a brand new backup waiting to go on. If the Rampage won't work for me, what other options are out there for a rear tire?

    BTW, I have been running tubes and have to add air every 3 weeks or so. With all the problems DIY and true tubeless have, I won't be switching anytime soon.

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    I have had a conti vertical 2.3 UST on the rear and a Maxxis Ignitor Lust 2.35 UST on the front (mavic 819 rims) all season with no problems -- not even a flat or air loss.

    I hit a sharded piece of New England granite off cambered on my rear wheel the other day. It scraped the the down the side of the tire so badly it left a mark and shredded little pices of tire and I didn't flat or loose any air. That being said, Ive never run non UST tires on my UST rims. I was thinking of doing so with a 2.35 rampage... I wiegh significanlty less than tap at 175 lbs but he has me second guessing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumbee1
    Tap, 40psi and you pinch flatted the Rampage? I am 210 with gear and run my Cinder between 36 and 40psi. I tried it at ~25psi once and had lots of issues but not a single pinch flat.

    My current Cinder (rear only) is showing wear but I have a brand new backup waiting to go on. If the Rampage won't work for me, what other options are out there for a rear tire?

    BTW, I have been running tubes and have to add air every 3 weeks or so. With all the problems DIY and true tubeless have, I won't be switching anytime soon.
    I do not think Tap has found a rear tire that really works for him. Seems to go through all of them quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumbee1
    With all the problems DIY and true tubeless have, I won't be switching anytime soon.
    I concur with Jwind. There are no problems with true UST tubeless. I've been running Continental Vertical USTs on Mavic XM819 rims since February 2004 when I got my 5.5. I have never had a flat and I weigh about 220lbs. in my shorts. I inflate to about 30psi in the front and about 33psi in the back.

    I've been thinking of getting a set of Maxxis Ignitor as I've seen a few good reviews. They look very similar to the Vertical but perhaps a bit bigger.

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    Nah, Ignitors are almost exactly the same in every way -- possibly a little softer compound but that about all I can surmise. I'd like to hear others experince as i too really like the Conti's. Both are qute light as well, the conti claims to be lighter but the ignitor sure seems/feels/looks lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwind
    Nah, Ignitors are almost exactly the same in every way -- possibly a little softer compound but that about all I can surmise. I'd like to hear others experince as i too really like the Conti's. Both are qute light as well, the conti claims to be lighter but the ignitor sure seems/feels/looks lighter.
    Have you only ridden them in combination? As I said I've only used the Continentals. Have you ever tried Maxxis front and back? I'd sure like to know how they compare.

    The Contis may well be lighter as they are claimed to be 2.3" and the Ignitor is supposed to be 2.35".

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    I do not think Tap has found a rear tire that really works for him. Seems to go through all of them quickly.
    this is true. Geax UST seem to hold up really well.

    I should have tried the 2.1 UST Rampage. We did Flagline today and the 2.35 rocked, albeit with a tube.

    what can I say...I hammer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    Have you only ridden them in combination? As I said I've only used the Continentals. Have you ever tried Maxxis front and back? I'd sure like to know how they compare.

    The Contis may well be lighter as they are claimed to be 2.3" and the Ignitor is supposed to be 2.35".

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    If by combination you mean one of each then, yes, I currently have the Conti on the rear and the maxxis on the front. I might add that this is the ONLY way i've had these tires on my bike so I can't offer any contrasting opinions. I can say that a difference in size is indistinguishable with the naked eye and I haven't measure them -- i'd be very interested to see such measurements.

    I think the Maxxis may be a bit softy/stickier. I find the conti to not quite soft enough to stick to wet (smooth) rocks as well as some other tires???? I'd like to try the maxxis in the back. all in all I really like these tires, the 'spikey' tread pattern grips and corners really well here in NE.

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    I wonder when Panaracer will make the new tire visible on their website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    If you had 1, front. Recommend 2.
    How would you compare this to a Fat Albert 2.35 as a rear tire? My Kenda BG 2.35 still has life upfront so I'm looking for something to replace my Nevegal 2.35 on the back. The Nev worked well for me but the sidewalls were a bit too weak for my taste.

    I ride an all mountain rig in the New England gnarl and I weigh 150.

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    There has been a test done with it at Interbike and was told to be "nothing special".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    There has been a test done with it at Interbike and was told to be "nothing special".
    What are you talking about? Which tire was "nothing special"? Give us a reference or a link.

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    I think that Panaracer Rampage is very similar to Kenda Nevegal, the only difference I see is the little mark on every knob an the profile; the rest is almost the same.

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    I agree it looks that way in the pics. I have never seen them in person. I am interested in trying to run them DIY Tubeless. I currently run Kenda's Tubleless even though it is a big no no. In theory the Rampage will NOT have those same "Tire Falling Apart" issues that the Kenda's reportedly have had.

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    I've bought 2 pairs of Kenda Navegals this year and have quickly torn side nobs off three of those tires. I want tires to wear down after 600 miles, not fall apart after 50 miles.

    Based on the recommendation in this thread, I had a shop order a pair from BTI. Got them on Monday and have now done two 12ish mile rides on them. Typical central NY single track: some mud, lots of roots and a few rocks. I set the Rampage up just like my Kendas, with a high 48-50psi. Yeah, I hate pinch flats. And since I choose lines like I'm blind-folded, I get pinch flats when I try to run lower pressure.

    Taking that into consideration, I found the following: They spin out on muddy climbs a little more than the Kendas and they don't velcro to roots like the Kendas. But, they seem to corner a lot better. No matter how hard or how low I corner'd with them, I couldn't get them to wash out. The Kendas did have a limit, I'm not sure I'm brave enough to find the limit on the Rampages.

    I'll try running the pressure down to 42 or so and see if that's any better on the roots and muddy climbs. And so far I've only run the rear tire in the rear-forward position. That is, "Rear ------->," so tha the flat end of the middle knobs are diging into the ground and not the ramp ends. I'll try it the other way next time I pull the tire off for any reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murphie
    I am interested in trying to run them DIY Tubeless. .

    An earlier poster tried them and his results were discouraging to say the least -- albeit, he is a clyde.

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    Anybody with muddy condition update for the Rampage? I need a front tire to replace my WW 2.5LT.
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    I found in really wet conditions they did not grip well on logs and roots. They did great in dry loose stuff though.

    Put my Nevegal 2.2 back on the rear and Blue Groove 2.35 up front and that setup worked much better in the traction area on the wet stuff.

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    Avoid them in the wet. I sold mine after 2 rides because they were so bad in the wet. They were amazing in the dry stuff but as soon as I hit anything the least bit wet I slipped out. My previous tire was a Kenda Nevegal 2.35 DTC and even when it was almost bald it was twice as sticky as the Panny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    Anybody with muddy condition update for the Rampage? I need a front tire to replace my WW 2.5LT.
    Not great in the wet be almost anything will be better than a WW LT
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Not great in the wet be almost anything will be better than a WW LT
    No doubt! We don't have mud yet in the SF bay area. So far, I'm thinking a 2.2 Spe Resolution as a front tire for the hard tail or maybe the Enduro for this winter.
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    Feedback on Panaracer Rampage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tappoix
    ordered a 2.35 Rampage from Webcyclery

    went on a Mavic 3.1 UST rim with a bit of Stans and soapy water.

    we'll see how it goes today on a ride

    stoked!
    I just read all the old postings on the Panaracer Rampage. Because you mentioned "Flagline" trail in one of your post (2006), I am guessing you are from Bend (OR.). How do you like the rampage for climbing traction on rocky tearrain? I really like the Kwoll Butte ride, and want a tire with the Nevegal traction but less rolling resistance and more lifespan. Does the Rampage grip uphill, rocky climbs as well as a Nevegal?

    What other tires in a 2.1 or 2.35 do you like for Bends twisty, dry single track but which really excel on uphill, loose, rocky terrain? Have you used the Maxxis Ignitor or Continental Gravity? Thanks for your feedback!

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    2.1 ust

    I have a 2.1 ust panaracer from the Dirt Rag booth at Sea Otter. I still have not mounted it, but I will report my ride info when I get the chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    that's funny
    when I hear or see "NOS" I think of 12AX7 preamp tubes..
    old telefunkens, mullards, etc..

    I am a guitarist and an tube junkie

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgfthntr
    +1


    WOW!!!!!!


    You resurrected a 3 year old thread for that.....thanks for the contribution.







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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej
    WOW!!!!!!


    You resurrected a 3 year old thread for that.....thanks for the contribution.
    Ain't the internet great!? Just think, this thread might be read by people after we
    are long dead and gone.
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    So...I am thinking about the Rampage SC 2.3 tire for the front. How has it been going since everybody tried this tire a while ago? Still like them, still hate them, moved on?

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    I have them on two bikes 26 and 29. Still like em. ALl of them are near the end of thier life. Not sure where i'm going next. It may very well be the Rpages again. THis is the first of the SC compound i've heard about. Very interested in feedback.

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    Never liked Panaracers especially the Rampage of old, slow rolling, poor in any kind of mud and rotates on the rim under braking ripping off to many Valves unless you run them rock solid.

    Don't like there rubber, grip grip grip then totally fail and just slide out very unpredictable and the break out is very low.

    I doubt the mk2's will be any better sadly.


    didn't realise old thread, thought they looked unchanged, 29" version I tried on the front by the way, got 1 here still in the wrapper and 1 with maybe 100miles on it TOPS!!

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    I have two rides on this Rampage. It does well in semi loose to loose soil, but it appears to shed sticky mud poorly. My only comparison to it is my stock Exiwolf 2.3. I thought with the wider knob spacing it should shed of mud better especially on the side knobs.

    On hardpack it rolls quite well. I did notice some high frequency vibrations while on the pavement. Is this something to do with the wide knob spacing?

    IMHO, I am happy with it. Especially for the sub-$30 price I paid for it. I should have listened to Shiggy and opted for a different rear tire but I'm a cheapskate and a sucker for a bargain.

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    shiggy, noting that this is a four-plus-year-old thread, I was wondering if you were still as keen on the Rampage 2.35 for 26-inch wheels as you were then.

    Thanks in advance,

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    Quote Originally Posted by hdparrish
    shiggy, noting that this is a four-plus-year-old thread, I was wondering if you were still as keen on the Rampage 2.35 for 26-inch wheels as you were then.

    Thanks in advance,

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    Yes, still a very good tire. Plus there is now a SC, soft compound, version in 26". It does grip better on rock and roots, but also wears quicker.
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    being wondering what do the markings on the rampage knobs meant? are they marked for knob cutting? searched the net but couldnt get any info about it. thanks in advance..!!

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    Anyone running the Rampages on a HT 29er?
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    New Panaracer Rampage 2.35

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    Anyone running the Rampages on a HT 29er?
    Yes. Hardtail, rigid, fully. All good.
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