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    New BWW Scandium wheelset. (Sob/Cry)

    A new Bicycle Wheel Warehouse wheelset arrived this morning and I'm quite upset. (sob/sniff) Why? you ask. These wheels are not for me; they're for The Woman I Mechanic For. I'll never (bawl) get to (sob) ride them.

    Andrea's a vet women racer, as light as a bird and she wins most of her races. She really needed a super light set of wheels to do her light body and bike weight justice. Her current wheels - Mavic 819/DT 240/DT Comp - weighed a whopping 2030 grams.

    BWW's Chris suggested this build -

    • BWW Pure XCR hubs - blue.
    • Alex Scandium rims (a feathery 315g each )
    • Sapim CX-Ray spokes - black.
    • Aluminum nipples - blue


    I weighed them -
    Wheelset - 1391g
    BWW skewers - 118g
    BWW rim tapes - 28g

    So the difference between Andrea's old wheels and the new ones is -
    Old 2030g
    New 1391g
    Difference - 639g or 22.5oz or 1lb 6.5oz.
    That is a whopping difference and she will feel this.

    Here's the linky to BWW's Scandium rim wheelsets with a plethora of custom options. This set prices out at $703.50.

    What can I say about the BWW wheels that hasn't been said many times? They are well built, high tension, tensions equal (ping = ping), spoke heads seated and threads lubed. This is the fifth set of their wheels that has passed through my hands and they're all well built and standing up fine to their intended use.

    Now I have the task of e-mailing her to tell her that her wheels are in. I wonder if I could sneak a ride on them? Naww, knowing my luck I'd dent a rim. I'll just have to ride vicariously through her. That way I'll get to win a race too.

    Many thanks to Chris & Pat at BWW.
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    Nice wheels! She is going to love those. That is the same set that I wanted to build but eventually decided that the scandium rims might not hold up over the long term for everyday riding.

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    Dee-Ang!

    Nice. Have you picked the tires yet?
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    Interesting that the rear wheel is laced the "King" way and not the "Shimano" way. I don't think it makes much difference, but I wonder if that is by chance or they specifically lace that way for a reason (other than its easier to lace up symmetrically IME).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Nice. Have you picked the tires yet?
    I'd forgotten she had some Continental Twisters at 425g each. So they will be going on.
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    They're done the way I like to do 'em - heads-out pullers that leave the drive side puller spoke on the outside of the final cross - which of course pulls the final cross away from the derailer cage. Plus the non-pullers are heads-in which places the elbow on the outside of the flange and IF** the chain derails over the top of the cassette the less stressed non-pullers would take the trauma. I like that BWW spokes them that way.

    **I mechanic the bike so the chances of the chain going over the top of the cassette are like NIL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T.
    They're done the way I like to do 'em - heads-out pullers that leave the drive side puller spoke on the outside of the final cross - which of course pulls the final cross away from the derailer cage. Plus the non-pullers are heads-in which places the elbow on the outside of the flange and IF** the chain derails over the top of the cassette the less stressed non-pullers would take the trauma. I like that BWW spokes them that way.

    **I mechanic the bike so the chances of the chain going over the top of the cassette are like NIL!
    I use to insist on lacing my driveside spokes the other way. Now I do not care as long as the valve hole in the right place.
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    They're laced the way I have always built wheels but I've seen others built the Shimano way...I was just currious if BWW laces them that way for a reason besides it being easier.

    I did build up one set the Shimano way and it was a PIA...probably because I wasn't used to it

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    That's an awesome Electric Blue!!! Should make a very nice blur when whizzing by

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one
    That's an awesome Electric Blue!!! Should make a very nice blur when whizzing by
    They have a new color - turquoise - that's really close to availability. We were offered those if we wanted a short wait. I see they're offering turquoise nipples already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T.
    A new Bicycle Wheel Warehouse wheelset arrived this morning and I'm quite upset. (sob/sniff) Why? you ask. These wheels are not for me; they're for The Woman I Mechanic For. I'll never (bawl) get to (sob) ride them.
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    I know your pain, holding them and knowing they are not for you is a lot like seeing a big box full of puppies and being allergic to dander, just not fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsaysjack
    I know your pain, holding them and knowing they are not for you is a lot like seeing a big box full of puppies and being allergic to dander, just not fairl.
    For me it's like seeing a 1/2 gallon of double chocolate ice cream and knowing there is no-way I wanna put back any of the 25lbs I've just lost.

    BTW Pat - have the turquoise hubs arrived yet?
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    Those are VERY sweet Mike! Make sure to get some pics with them mounted on her bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T.
    For me it's like seeing a 1/2 gallon of double chocolate ice cream and knowing there is no-way I wanna put back any of the 25lbs I've just lost.
    Don't worry 1/2 gallon of ice cream will never make 25lbs. Go ahead and dig in

    Good job on loosing 25lbs, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apaju
    Don't worry 1/2 gallon of ice cream will never make 25lbs. Go ahead and dig in
    Apaju, a tiny bowl of the &^%$# stuff will put 25lbs on. That's how it works.

    Actually my post was carefully worded - "put back any.......". I can't let it get even a toe-hold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T.
    Actually my post was carefully worded - "put back any.......". I can't let it get even a toe-hold.
    I have to admit, I missed that eloquence. Good luck with keeping your weight!

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    Why didn't she just use her existing 240s hubs for the build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T.
    They have a new color - turquoise - that's really close to availability. We were offered those if we wanted a short wait. I see they're offering turquoise nipples already.
    My girlfriend is going to want a set of these. The rim will be the tough choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcgoy
    Why didn't she just use her existing 240s hubs for the build?
    I think it's a very good idea that she has a spare set of wheels and possibly use the heavy ones for everyday training.
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    that blue is awesome, wish i had a somewhat blue bike
    Honk your horn if im paying for your mortgage!

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    that blue is awesome, wish i had a somewhat blue bike.

    how long was the wait. i ordered a set from this last friday the 22nd. should i expect them this week even with memorial day?
    Honk your horn if im paying for your mortgage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by russelr
    how long was the wait. i ordered a set from this last friday the 22nd. should i expect them this week even with memorial day?
    These were on order for quite a while. We were waiting for the turquoise to arrive at BWW. Then they found the blue had been shipped from their supplier and not the turquoise. So, rather than wait, Andrea decided to go with the blue. Then shipping up to Canada takes longer. Plus BWW is busier than a one-armed wallpaperer right now. And so it goes. They took a while but it wasn't a problem at this end.
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    I'm interested in having a new wheelset built, but they don't carry any really lightweight hubs that are 6 bolt disc specific and they don't accept customer supplied parts. Getting the very expensive DT 190 CL hubs to use them with 30g adapters would make no sense. Tune hubs are hard to get in the US. They could offer American Classic 130 and 225 disc hubs though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfer1
    I'm interested in having a new wheelset built, but they don't carry any really lightweight hubs that are 6 bolt disc specific
    What about DT-Swiss 240? I had a weight for their BWW Pure hubs and it wasn't a great deal more than the 240 but I now forget what it was. For the difference in cost between the Pure and the 240 it didn't seem worth it for a few grams. Their web page weights are very accurate so maybe it can be figured from their site.
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    The DT 240 hubs are 72g heavier and considerably more expensive than the AC hubs.

    Plus I like the AC rear hub better, because the freehub body is equipped with 3 steel faced splines so the cassette will not damage the aluminum (the cassette eating into the aluminium freehub body is a common problem with other hubs).



    American Classic
    Disc 130 Front Hub: 130g, $140
    Disc 225 Rear Hub: 225g, $240
    Total: 355g, $380

    DT 240 6-bolt Disc
    Front Hub: 154g, $205
    Rear Hub: 273g, $305
    Total: 427g, $510

    DT 190 Centerlock
    Front Hub: 105g + 30g (adapter), $385
    Rear Hub: 210g + 30g (adapter), $575
    Total: 375g, $960

    BWW Pure XCR
    Front Hub: ???, $140-150
    Rear Hub: ???, $185-195
    Total: 462g (*), $325-345

    (*) According to the BWW website, the Pure XCR hubs are 35g heavier than the DT 240's.
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