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    Maxxis Minions DHR II 2.3 true to size?

    I'm looking to run this on the back of my bike:Universal Cycles -- Maxxis Minion DHR II EXO Tubeless Ready Tire

    It's their "all-mountain/enduro" version of the DH model. Historically, Maxxis tire sizes have been all wonky. Does anyone know if this is a true 2.3 or closer to a 2.1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by merijn101 View Post
    2.1
    Dammit...

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    Maxxis tires always run small.

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    Not anymore, advantage, DHR II, HR II are pretty up to size. Look at the ETRTO sizing, it gives good hints:

    DHR 2.35: 52mm (2.05 in.)
    DHR II 2.3: 58mm (2.28 in. -> 25% volume increase).

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    Quote Originally Posted by merijn101 View Post
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    You really shouldn't talk about things you have no idea of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Maxxis tires always run small.
    No, they don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Chop! View Post
    I'm looking to run this on the back of my bike:Universal Cycles -- Maxxis Minion DHR II EXO Tubeless Ready Tire

    It's their "all-mountain/enduro" version of the DH model. Historically, Maxxis tire sizes have been all wonky. Does anyone know if this is a true 2.3 or closer to a 2.1?
    Thanks.
    I designed and developed nearly every Maxxis bicycle tire over the last 5 years. Every one is 'true to size'. Of course, there will be some variation due to rim width, inflation pressure, etc. And be sure to let the casing grow for a few days before measuring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    I designed and developed nearly every Maxxis bicycle tire over the last 5 years. Every one is 'true to size'. Of course, there will be some variation due to rim width, inflation pressure, etc. And be sure to let the casing grow for a few days before measuring.
    You've done a great job and the MTB community thanks you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    No, they don't.
    Theres a ton of treads here, with a ton of people who run maxxis tires claiming they run small. If you dont want them to be comparatively small and you design them, why dont you make them larger?

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    How about doing some research and refraining from taking for gospel everything you read on these forums?

    The old Maxxis tires are undersized. The newer stuff is 'true to size'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    You've done a great job and the MTB community thanks you!
    Thanks, man!
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    Maxxis Minions DHR II 2.3 true to size?

    Thanks bhobwell for your well thought of advice...... My maxxis minion 2.3 that i have in my shed and that has been on my bike for 6 month is the exact same size as the numerous 2.1 schwalbe tires that are the same shed.... It might be that i do know something about maxxis minion tires.....

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    Maxxis Minions DHR II 2.3 true to size?

    Thanks for cranking up the size though. I bought the 2.3's as an enduro tire because i love the 2.5 so much. I was just highly disappointed with the size.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by merijn101 View Post
    Thanks bhobwell for your well thought of advice...... My maxxis minion 2.3 that i have in my shed and that has been on my bike for 6 month is the exact same size as the numerous 2.1 schwalbe tires that are the same shed.... It might be that i do know something about maxxis minion tires.....
    What tire are you referring to, exactly? And you measured it using calipers on what rim at what inflation pressure?
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    bholwell, please don't bad rep for stuff like this... makes you a bit uncool.... Although you should be cool as the Minion designer.

    I must admit my mistake: I missed the II in the minion description of the OP. I had the "old" 2.35 minion on a DT Swiss EX500 rim at 1.9 bar (EU setting) with tube. It looked very skinny to me. Took some calipers out and matched it to some Schwalbe 2.1 I had on my xc bike.

    If you designed the new Minions to be true to size, I might give them an other try. Just be a bit more positive in your reply's next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merijn101 View Post
    bholwell, please don't bad rep for stuff like this... makes you a bit uncool.... Although you should be cool as the Minion designer.

    I must admit my mistake: I missed the II in the minion description of the OP. I had the "old" 2.35 minion on a DT Swiss EX500 rim at 1.9 bar (EU setting) with tube. It looked very skinny to me. Took some calipers out and matched it to some Schwalbe 2.1 I had on my xc bike.

    If you designed the new Minions to be true to size, I might give them an other try. Just be a bit more positive in your reply's next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Chop! View Post
    I'm looking to run this on the back of my bike:Universal Cycles -- Maxxis Minion DHR II EXO Tubeless Ready Tire

    It's their "all-mountain/enduro" version of the DH model. Historically, Maxxis tire sizes have been all wonky. Does anyone know if this is a true 2.3 or closer to a 2.1?
    Thanks.
    True to size and mates with a Minion DHF 2.5 nicely when used as a rear tire or front to back. I really dig this tire, especially since it is tubeless ready and seals and holds much better than standard Maxxis single-ply (EXO, wire, etc) and the tire has excellent cornering/stability and braking control. The only quiver is that it begs for conditions to dig and bite into (loam and loose) as it rolls fairly slow on anything else despite it's really modest weight.
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    I disagree, he was not correcting misinfo. He was just slapping my wrist. Uncool, but mostly not useful to the OP.

    Correcting in an efficient way:
    Old were 2.1, new and improved is now truly 2.35. Go out and buy them.

    But whateverrrrrrrr It's weekend up here! Wife is out riding, kids are in bed. Time for a beer. Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by merijn101 View Post
    I disagree, he was not correcting misinfo. He was just slapping my wrist. Uncool, but mostly not useful to the OP.

    Correcting in an efficient way:
    Old were 2.1, new and improved is now truly 2.35. Go out and buy them.

    But whateverrrrrrrr It's weekend up here! Wife is out riding, kids are in bed. Time for a beer. Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by merijn101 View Post
    I disagree, he was not correcting misinfo. He was just slapping my wrist. Uncool, but mostly not useful to the OP
    Hey man, I'm sorry I publicly slapped your wrist. Perhaps you're right; probably pretty uncool of me.

    It's a pet peeve of mine when people post misinformation, particularly when it's regarding a product I designed and developed. But yours was an honest mistake, and that's forgivable. One Pivot, however, was simply spreading false info blindly, and that's much worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    Hey man, I'm sorry I publicly slapped your wrist. Perhaps you're right; probably pretty uncool of me.

    It's a pet peeve of mine when people post misinformation, particularly when it's regarding a product I designed and developed. But yours was an honest mistake, and that's forgivable. One Pivot, however, was simply spreading false info blindly, and that's much worse.
    The problem is that people may not know when a tire was designed. Old, smaller tires are still in production so you can't blame people for having the wrong impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    True to size and mates with a Minion DHF 2.5 nicely when used as a rear tire or front to back. I really dig this tire, especially since it is tubeless ready and seals and holds much better than standard Maxxis single-ply (EXO, wire, etc) and the tire has excellent cornering/stability and braking control. The only quiver is that it begs for conditions to dig and bite into (loam and loose) as it rolls fairly slow on anything else despite it's really modest weight.
    Ok. Good to hear. I will have it here by Tuesday and will reply here for reference. Running it the rear with a Specialized Butcher SX 2.3 up front. I wish they would release a tubeless ready Minion DHF 2.5 so I could run that up front but right now I'm liking the butcher. Right now, here in Utah, we have mostly loose soil so I'm not too concerned with a bit of drag as long as I can get it to bite in on the downs. Thnaks for the input!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Chop! View Post
    I wish they would release a tubeless ready Minion DHF 2.5 so I could run that up front but right now I'm liking the butcher.
    Just saw that they available on their e-store. Good news. I will have to wait until the Butcher wears out to switch back over. Probably not until next season.

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    So while we are on the subject of tires sizes, my DH rig needs some new 2 plys. I want to try out a Highroller II 2.4 in the back, mated with a DHF up front. So I'm just going to ask a blatant and maybe redundant question since the expert is reading this thread.

    Are the new DHF's with the newer logos more true to size? So if I got a 2.5 DHF, I'd be good to go? Obviously just don't want the DHF to be smaller than the HR II in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    So while we are on the subject of tires sizes, my DH rig needs some new 2 plys. I want to try out a Highroller II 2.4 in the back, mated with a DHF up front. So I'm just going to ask a blatant and maybe redundant question since the expert is reading this thread.

    Are the new DHF's with the newer logos more true to size? So if I got a 2.5 DHF, I'd be good to go? Obviously just don't want the DHF to be smaller than the HR II in the back.

    Thanks for the help!
    The High Roller 26x2.4 is nearly the same size as the DHF 26x2.5; maybe a hair wider. It'll pair nicely with the DHF on the front as the DHF has a bit more ultimate cornering traction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    The High Roller 26x2.4 is nearly the same size as the DHF 26x2.5; maybe a hair wider. It'll pair nicely with the DHF on the front as the DHF has a bit more ultimate cornering traction.
    Awesome, thanks for the help!
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    Received the DHR II's yesterday and they are indeed true to their 2.3 stated size. Just a little wider than the Conti Trail King 2.2 they will be replacing. Stoked!

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    How does the DHR II compare to the Hans Dampf in width? The reason I ask is before the HD I had a 2.3 Geax (forget the model name) which was much wider. Running the HD on the front so thinking I'd like to try the DHR II as a replacement soon- Maxxis says it's for front or back so how is it on hardpack that turns to powder & loose rock sections? Price is good & I liked the EXO Ardent in the back (currently using the Wild Grip'r 2.25).

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitewerks View Post
    How does the DHR II compare to the Hans Dampf in width? The reason I ask is before the HD I had a 2.3 Geax (forget the model name) which was much wider. Running the HD on the front so thinking I'd like to try the DHR II as a replacement soon- Maxxis says it's for front or back so how is it on hardpack that turns to powder & loose rock sections? Price is good & I liked the EXO Ardent in the back (currently using the Wild Grip'r 2.25).

    Thanks!
    I haven't used a HD yet and I don't have any buddies using it other than one I don't ride with often. I would say the DHR 2 is slightly more narrow and definitely less volume that the HDs. It is true to size though for sure, unlike the older Maxxis tires. It's just a tad wider than the Conti Trail King 2.2 it replaced. I've had about 4 rides with this on the back and my Specialized Butcher SX 2.3 up front and they have been great. Right now, the best rear tire I've used. I don't like using a glorified, fast rolling xc tire in the rear because I never had the confidence when turning or stopping. This tire corners like it's on rails but I can still get the back end to break away if I want and it has good rolling speed. Doesn't feel draggy to me. I read a review where someone said it was Maxxis' greatest hits tire and I'd agree. Not sure if I'd run it up front, unless making mod cuts like the guy did at Blister Gear Review, I'd rather run a Minion DHF.

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    The new family of TR EXO Maxxis tires is truly impressive. Big, big fan of the HR2 2.3, DHR2 2.3, and Ikon 2.2

    Are they "true to size?" I guess so... whatever that means. I mean, yeah, they're wider than the older designs. But I've also sure spent a ton of time on 2.35 DHF's and 2.35 original High Rollers and thought they were fantastic tires too.

    Also, remember when the DHF and OG HR were designed most people weren't running 25mm internal width rims (unless you were using 24" Sun Double Tracks.) I have to question the riding style/ability of anyone who throws a 2.35 Hans Dampf or 2.4 Trail King on a 17 or 19mm internal width rim and then comes on MTBR and raves about it's performance.

    As with all bike parts, remember it's the Indian, not the arrow.

    And for the record, Colin Bailey designed the masterpiece that is the DHF (and also the monstrosity that is the OG DHR.) Bholwell and the rest of the Maxxis crew have done an outstanding job with the newest offerings.

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    Has anyone used the TR DHR II on the front? Curious as to how it handles for a front tire. I'm going to have to order a new front tire soon to replace my Hans Dampf. I'm looking at this tire or the Michelin Wild Grip'r 2.35.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitewerks View Post
    Has anyone used the TR DHR II on the front? Curious as to how it handles for a front tire. I'm going to have to order a new front tire soon to replace my Hans Dampf. I'm looking at this tire or the Michelin Wild Grip'r 2.35.

    Thanks!
    Read this review: Maxxis Minion DHR2 | Blister Gear Review ? Skis, Snowboards, Mountain Bikes, Climbing - The most honest, and in-depth reviews of ski, board, bike, and climbing equipment on the planet.

    He loved it after he did cut mod on it. Before the cut mod the DHF still had a cornering advantage. Main advantage of the DHR 2 on the front is braking. I can tell you on the rear it is fast becoming one of my favorite tires. In front the Butcher/minion-style is it for me...

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    Maxxis Minions DHR II 2.3 true to size?

    Just fitted a DHR II 2.3 tubeless ready 3C (my rim has a 21mm internal width), actual measurements (using calipers) are:
    Casing: 57mm
    Tread: 58.5mm

    Haven't ridden it yet so it may swell a mm or so (like most of my other tyres have).

    For comparison, my Minion DHF 2.5 exo ST (ridden for a month or so, no wear yet) measures:
    Casing: 56.5mm
    Tread: 61mm

    I must say, fitting the DHR II tubeless ready was the easiest tyre I've ever fitted. It was early in the morning so I didn't want to use my air compressor (would wake the neighbours) so I thought I'd try using my floor pump. It beaded soooo easy, I didn't even have to pump fast. And I could mount the tyre using my hands (no levers required) so the fit was loose enough to use fingers but tight enough to air up with a floor pump. My rim is a tubeless Fulcrum Red Zone XLR.

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    Good info guys. So the newest DHFs are still a smidge narrower the competition? Im looking at the 27.5 dhf and l want to make sure there are no fitment issues. Totally looking into the dhr2 as a front tire

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    panzer103, I just received a set of the 2.3 27.5 DHF and DHR-II's. They are going on a set of Flow EX's tomorrow. I'll post up measurement and fitment results after I have them mounted.

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    Results after mounting up a 2.3 DHF & DHR II in 27.5 on Flow EX's are:
    DHF was 2.23 at the casing and 2.2 at the knobs (tire weight 820g)
    DHR-II was 2.21 at the casing and 2.2 at the knobs (tire weight 750g)

    I'll take measurements again in a few days after I've ridden them a bit since I know tires can swell/stretch some after a bit. For reference the 2.35 Han Dampfs were 2.4 at the casing and 2.45 at the knob before I removed them.

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    Minion DHF ETRTO

    26X2.30 58-559
    26X2.30 58-559
    26X2.35 52-559
    26X2.35 52-559
    26X2.35 52-559
    26X2.50 55-559
    26X2.50 55-559
    26X2.50 55/59-560

    From here
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    Is the 2.3 wider than the 2.5?
    I have the High Roller 26 2.35 in front and a CrossMark 26 2.25 and the CrossMark is visibly wider which wasn't supposed to be the plan.
    I'm trying to figure out my next set of tires and was thinking about running the Minion DHF in front and currently taking recommendations for the rear

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    Is the 2.3 wider than the 2.5?
    I have the High Roller 26 2.35 in front and a CrossMark 26 2.25 and the CrossMark is visibly wider which wasn't supposed to be the plan.
    I'm trying to figure out my next set of tires and was thinking about running the Minion DHF in front and currently taking recommendations for the rear [/QUOTE]

    The new 2.3 is still not wider than the old 2.5. The new 2.4 is close and over or under depending on the model and how far out the side knobs hang.
    The new 2.3 is wider than the old Maxxis 2.35.

    One 2.4 that is large, in fact taller than most other Maxxis 2.4 or 2.5 is the Advantage 26 X 2.4. Considered "High Volume". I think some of the new 2.25 might also be "high Volume". Perhaps BH can shed some light on that.

    What nobody mentioned here (I think) is comparing knob height from 2.3 and 2.25 to 2.4 on the same models. For the Ardent and DHRII the narrower tire has shorter knobs.
    I ran most of last season with DHRII's on both ends, 2.4 Wire in front and 2.3 TR in rear both set up tubeless with no issues. The shorter knobed tire in the back felt like it rolled faster. The fun part is the shorter knobs in the rear would brake away slightly sooner that the front when cornering. A blast!
    By far the DHRII is my top pick for a front tire. Opinion? Yes it is. I like it better that the DHF , Ardent and High Roller II.
    Right now I have a Folding DHF (tubed) in the back for the wetter weather. I do plan on purchasing a fresh DHRII 2.3 for the season.

    Cheers!

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    ....and still no DHRII 26 or 27.5 X 2.4 in tubeless ready....sigh.....

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    Thanks I'll probably go that route with the DHRII front and rear.

    What's confusing me is the ETRTO numbers, I thought that was supposed to be the width and diameter of the tire? 58 for the 2.3 then 55 for the 2.5? Was it supposed to read 48 for the 2.3 instead of 58?

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    Quote Originally Posted by macr88 View Post
    Thanks I'll probably go that route with the DHRII front and rear.

    What's confusing me is the ETRTO numbers, I thought that was supposed to be the width and diameter of the tire? 58 for the 2.3 then 55 for the 2.5? Was it supposed to read 48 for the 2.3 instead of 58?
    Maxxis' ETRTO sizing is pretty messed up. A long time ago, when the DHF was developed, the ETRTO size was the section width (which is the width of the inflated casing, minus any decorations) and the bead seat diameter. Then they went to a two number nomenclature for the width, where the first number is the section width and the second number is the overall width (usually the tread width at the widest point). Then they just went to overall width (widest width). So, in a nutshell this is a long winded way to say ignore Maxxis' ETRTO sizing because it's inconsistent.
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    Man that really sucks, I'm basically in the same boat as when I purchased my High Roller and Crossmark with my Crossmark being wider than my High Roller.
    Was hoping the ETRTO would be the actual width
    Right now I feel like the front starts to wash out before the rear but that could be rider induced?
    I'm definitely going to try DHRII's front and rear, any reason you chose wire for the front?

    Thanks a bunch for all the explaining much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macr88 View Post
    Man that really sucks, I'm basically in the same boat as when I purchased my High Roller and Crossmark with my Crossmark being wider than my High Roller.
    Was hoping the ETRTO would be the actual width
    Right now I feel like the front starts to wash out before the rear but that could be rider induced?
    I'm definitely going to try DHRII's front and rear, any reason you chose wire for the front?

    Thanks a bunch for all the explaining much appreciated.
    I must first say that I have littls concern for rolling resistance up front, perhaps because I am a trail rider and not cross country racer my weight is biased a bit to the rear. I think you might notice a bit more drag from the 2.3 DHRII than the crossmark in the rear. I would expect the front to roll about the same from a high roller to a DHRII.
    As for choosing the wire bead I am running WTB I23 tubeless rims. The non tubeless folding DHRII (and like DHF) fit very loose , hard to set the bead and don't inspire bead security confidence for me. The wire bead sets up easily and has had no issues with sealant. The smaller 2.3 comes with a tubeless (tubeless ready) bead and sets up very secure for the rear.
    That should explain my want for 2.4 tubeless ready Minions!
    Also in the front double wall seams to offer less bounce on small bumps than single wall. I have no data to back that up, just opinion.

    I use this set up for trail riding mostly in Western PA and some of Ohio. I might switch to a 2.4 or 2.5 for shuttle days on that rear to offer some more cushion for the rim.
    Cheers!

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    Not to hijack, but looking for the best all-around trail/am/enduro whatever tire. Not having seen a DHRII in person which tire between the DHRII and DHF (27.5X 2.3) roll the fastest? Not too worried about climbing traction, but do like the weight of DHRII, but would be willing to run a slightly heavier tire (DHF) if it rolls noticeable better. Currently run IKON 2.35 (big volume) on rear with Ardent 2.4 front. Works well on local W. TX trails but want something more aggressive for Moab etc. Runnin on a Bronson C BTW.

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    Good to know about the non tubeless ready wire deal.
    The recommendation for my current setup was from the local bike shop I got them from. I only go up so I can go down, if there's a shuttle I'll be on it
    I appreciate all the info and look forward to trying out that setup.
    They'll be mounted to some Easton Havocs.

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    Aaron: I am guessing coming from Ardent/Ikon combo that any of the tires you mentioned will feel slower. Even the DHRII 2.3. FOR THE REAR I can and did compare the DHR II 2.3, DHF2.5 and DHRII 2.4 and they are in that order slow, slower and slowest! Also in that order Grippy, Grippier and Grippiest!
    It's all about comprimise.
    I can only guess that if both are in 2.3 that the DHRII will feel slower that the DHF, but not by very much.

    Note that I have only run 26" too.

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    Macr: Damm heavy but I have seen little complaints about ghetto tubeless set up on Maxxis double wall wire beads. Not recomended by most mfgrs I am sure. Your life is in your hands!
    You do get a little sealant seapage on the firsr few rides but I have never had any kind of burp. ....and that at 22psi in front.
    Feel free to do some compatability research for your rims if you like.

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    Fermenter, thanks for the reply. I know any of the minion derivatives will be slower than my Ikon/Ardent combo, but I'm looking for a more aggressive setup when I get to opportunity to head for the mountains. I'm debating on running DHRII front and rear or going for then known DHF on the front. Too many choices!

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    I've got a 2.3 maxxterra 3c tr up front. Fantastic shore tire. Im going to replace my minion with a dhr2 I need more volume for here. Stoopid moon only measure 2.05,,25percent less volume than 2.3 dhr2
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