• 12-09-2012
    EZuphill
    Mavic crossmax or Arch ex w/hope hub?
    Crossmax st for $600 or Arche EX with hope 2 hubs?

    I want to order next week.

    170lbs rock, roots, and small drops.
    2012 x-caliber...
    Thanks

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  • 12-09-2012
    meltingfeather
    arch/hope all day long.
    didn't this exact same question come up recently?
    pause...
    oh yeah... and it was you...
    WTF? :out:
  • 12-09-2012
    Scotty Slc
    I have both.... I like the arch ex/ hope combo best...
  • 12-09-2012
    Zen Cyclery
    It would be hard to beat the Hope/Arch combo. The Mavics would leave you stuck with proprietary parts and a freehub body that would need excessive lubrication.
  • 12-10-2012
    GhisalloWheels
    If your gonna have black or Silver hubs, look into the White Industries Hubs.
  • 12-10-2012
    Zen Cyclery
    I second Ghisallos comment. The silver on the White Industries has a beautiful finish that is hard to beat. Not to mention they are ridiculously durable.
  • 12-10-2012
    EZuphill
    Thanks for the positives for stans arches.
    I was looking pro wheel builder and putting together a set of wheels.

    Do you guys think hadley hubs would be worth the upgrade over the hopes? I think it would be an extra $120 or so.

    Who do you like for an online wheel builder? Did anyone use PWB before?

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  • 12-10-2012
    Zen Cyclery
    If you are considering something in the Hadley price range, you may as well go with some Chris Kings. They are consistently durable, and the 5 year warranty is hard to argue with.
  • 12-11-2012
    EZuphill
    Anyone use the WHITE INDUSTRIES IM6 hubs?

    They are no upcharge on pro wheel builder.

    Should i go with 14 spokes or 14/15/14?

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  • 12-11-2012
    One Pivot
    Always go double butted, no reason to use straight gauge spokes. The WI hubs arent too popular for MTB, but they've earned an excellent reputation on the road. They're very good hubs. Only real downside is the low POE, which you may or may not care about.

    If I was going to go high end, Id get a king. If I couldnt afford it, id snatch up a used king. The other hubs out there are very high quality too, but when it comes down to it its really hard to beat or come close to kings rear hubs.
  • 12-11-2012
    EZuphill
    I am sorry for my ignorance but what is POE?

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  • 12-11-2012
    One Pivot
    Points Of Engagement. In other words, how much play the hub has before it catches. Kings have 72 clicks in a circle, WI has 24, hope has 24, low end shimanos have 16 to 18, higher end has 32 to 36. Hadley is 72 also.
  • 12-11-2012
    EZuphill
    Sorry for ignorance but what is POE?

    IS DOUBLE BUTTED 14/15/14?

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  • 12-11-2012
    EZuphill
    I probably would notice an improvement with the whites since i have the low end shimano!

    Thanks

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  • 12-11-2012
    wyo_biker
    I had Arch EX built with DT Swiss 240s hubs last season. The builder was Dave's Wheels and they have been great following a full season of use. Other then the pit-falls of finding the proper tire for the Arch EX rims, I'd highly recommend this setup.
  • 12-11-2012
    Zen Cyclery
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by EZuphill View Post
    Sorry for ignorance but what is POE?

    IS DOUBLE BUTTED 14/15/14?

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    POE stands for points of engagement. POE can vary greatly and it is simply a measurement of how many different freehub engagement points there are in one revolution of the wheel.
    Some value POE over anything else. I'm not sure how big of a difference it makes in most situations though.
    And yes, 15/14/15 would be a double butted. Double butted is simply where there is less material in the middle than on the ends. These are a bit lighter than straight gauge and a bit more elastic.
  • 12-11-2012
    One Pivot
    More importantly, butted spokes are more durable and will go out of true less easily. They're so cheap these days that its just not worth using straight spokes.

    POE definitely isnt the end-all.. I think reliability is. Higher POE is nice though.