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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    I didn't see any reviews online
    got this hub off ebay for $57 shipped
    Koozer HA04N
    72 points of engagement, 6 pawl hub
    took off the hub body, not much grease on the pawls so i added some which did quiet down the angry bees a bit
    laced the hub to a stans flow rim
    the pawls did drag a bit, rode around town for 20 min, and it is much better. should break in after some more miles
    I gotta say, i'm impressed with the quality
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    Looks nice but seems like every other Taiwanese hub out there. Quality on them is usually pretty good though, I know my brother has been riding a pair of Circus Monkey hubs for a number of years not without a single issue.

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    As far as I know this has the highest number of engagement points of any of the Taiwanese hubs

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    If my hubs ever explode, I will take a chance and buy these . Are they convertible to different axle sizes?

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    Interesting. Ever since I broke an axle on a Novatec and couldnt reach the warranty dept easily, I have decided to stick with name brands.

    I was able to get an axle eventually. Just took a lot of time.
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    Yeah I think that warranty issues will be hit or miss depending on the company that you are working with. And from what I can tell they definitely are the highest engagement hubs out of the Taiwanese brands I have seen.

    Mind taking some pics of the hub body off (pawls) and then inside of the hub.

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    Re: Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    I didn't see any reviews online
    got this hub off ebay for $57 shipped
    Koozer HA04N
    72 points of engagement, 6 pawl hub
    took off the hub body, not much grease on the pawls so i added some which did quiet down the angry bees a bit
    laced the hub to a stans flow rim
    the pawls did drag a bit, rode around town for 20 min, and it is much better. should break in after some more miles
    I gotta say, i'm impressed with the quality
    FWIW grease in the pawls can cause engagement failure when it fills the ratchet ramps and the pawls skip.

    I have had to clean the thick factory grease out of a few hubs because they skipped, and replaced it with thick oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    FWIW grease in the pawls can cause engagement failure when it fills the ratchet ramps and the pawls skip.

    I have had to clean the thick factory grease out of a few hubs because they skipped, and replaced it with thick oil.
    Shiggy, what do you mean by "thick oil" for the replacement? Is there specific stuff made for this type of application that you can readily buy somewhere?

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    Re: Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Shiggy, what do you mean by "thick oil" for the replacement? Is there specific stuff made for this type of application that you can readily buy somewhere?
    Just that. Thick oil, such as Phil's Tenacious Oil or similar (think gear oil). Needs to be viscous enough to not run out of the hub.

    Using grease to quiet a hub is little better than oiling your brake pads to stop squealing.
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    How them Koozer hubs holding up??? I've had people asking me,figured I'd go to the source..Tanks

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    Loving it
    I want to sell these and get red ones. My new frame had red accents

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    Looks kinda like a knock of King hub

    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under -%24-kgrhqj-ngfbh-8-0yzbrswztspiq%7E%7E60_57.jpg
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Those are the old version with 3 pawls. I think.

    New ones look like this
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    The hubs you can get them booth for $93 free shipping.

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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    This was asked previously, but are the hubs convertible?
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    What do they weigh?

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    Thanks for the reply Dan GSR they are nice looking hubs....The hubs that are coming out of Taiwan the last couple of years are good and if doesn't say Hadley,Hope,King,Shimano etc. on them,there more than likely made in Taiwan...most OEM hubs are manufactured in Taiwan...I've built wheels using cycletrack,dati,circus monkey,BHS.com hubs and I tell the guys the same thing,take them apart and clean them,put some oil on the pawls and teeth and they should last...

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    Are the pawls offset? Did you actually count how clicks/points of engagement there are? I know some companies will claim X number of engagement points, but they simply multiplied the # of pawls times the # of teeth, so it's a bit misleading.

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    Yes they are offset, and yes I did confirm 72 poe

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    Hmmm. Im liking the sound of these.

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    Anyone want some gold hubs?

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    I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machine4321 View Post
    Hmmm. Im liking the sound of these.
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    less than $100 for pair here in the Philippines I might get em on Monday, will install them on alexrims xd-lite or wtb frequency i23 with pillar spokes..

    I'd like to give koozer a chance, I saw one former who changed the sealed bearing into a ceramic sealed bearing additional $30 for 6pcs of ceramic bearings...

    I'm using shimano MT-15 no complaints except I just want to upgrade, will weigh in MT-15 first before buying the koozer, i23 and pillar spokes.. I heard that mt-15 is at 1.9kgs

    and with koozer hubs 588grams with skewers pair, 200grams pillar spokes and nipples, wtb i23 820grams pair - total weight should be at 1608kgs

    please correct me if I'm wrong with my computation

    the custom wheelset will cost me $250 USD

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    got em for $91USd but noy yet installed, will post pics next time, still looking for pillar spokes and wtb frequency i19 size 26

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    This home come with 15mm thru axle caps and 12 x 142mm rear axle ?
    I found this in ebay but only see 9mm QR front and 135mm QR rear

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    Yeah I havent seen a thru-axle (front or rear) version of the Koozer yet, which is why I havent purchased them.

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    there are 2 versions of koozer 1 with 3 pawls and the other with 6 pawls, you can't go wrong with them as it is labeled on the hubs.. I'm still hunting for wtb frequency i19 rim 26 and pillar spokes maybe after 2 weeks it will all be complete

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    check this out I saw a novatec with 6 pawls 72POE but looks like koozer, exactly the same, maybe it is a rebadge?

    mars kingdom bikes - Binondo, Manila - Bike Shop, Outlet Store | Facebook

    just keep on scrolling down the page and you will see the video

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    190 bucks....the koozer is more than likely a Novatec knock off

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    unfortunately my hunt for wtb frequency i19 was a failure, all shops out of stocks! so I just bought alexrims xd-lite will use the alex for a couple of months til i19 arrives, slapped on some pillar spokes psr2015, was looking for megalite SS not available here in P.I.

    koozer hubs now installed here is the video sorry about the quality

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J3G...ature=youtu.be

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    I think the trick is to not use a thick grease.

    I've been using Pedros synthetic (medium - light weight) in my Hope hubs for years now, summer, winter, zero issues.
    It quiets them down very nicely.

    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    FWIW grease in the pawls can cause engagement failure when it fills the ratchet ramps and the pawls skip.

    I have had to clean the thick factory grease out of a few hubs because they skipped, and replaced it with thick oil.

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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    Just bought a rear hub myself. My old hubs barely spin. Always down to give something new a go.

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    is it also a koozer hub? can you post pic and video?

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    Dan have you taken the hub apart yet to take a look at the internals seeing as you've put some miles on them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyrayeast View Post
    Dan have you taken the hub apart yet to take a look at the internals seeing as you've put some miles on them?
    no time and tools to open up the hubs, I took em for a quick rainy ride last night, it was only at 18kms.. my build will only be for road use.. will hunt for 26x1.5 slick tires.. maxxis detonator or maybe something else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    I didn't see any reviews online
    got this hub off ebay for $57 shipped
    Koozer HA04N
    72 points of engagement, 6 pawl hub
    took off the hub body, not much grease on the pawls so i added some which did quiet down the angry bees a bit
    laced the hub to a stans flow rim
    the pawls did drag a bit, rode around town for 20 min, and it is much better. should break in after some more miles
    I gotta say, i'm impressed with the quality
    Dan,

    do you have a link or guide to open up koozer hubs? I would like to see the internals and post some pics... Hope to hear from you

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    try a 5mm allen and a 17/18mm cone wrench...5mm opposite the cassettte and the 17mm on the cassette side

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    All you need is 2 5mm allen keys to open up the hub.

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    Yup two 5mm alen keys

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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    I'm looking to replace the hub on my stock giant pxc2 rear wheel. The 27.5 version has an awfully ow engagement. Horrible for slow techy sections.

    Would this rear hub be better at 72 POE. The giant hub is 12POE but I don't know if that literally means the koozer is faster?

    I plan to use the same rims and buying whatever spokes are needed.

    I have no experience with wheel building but could someone enlighten me with what kind of spokes would be needed for this build?

    I plan to have a friend build it up for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    I'm looking to replace the hub on my stock giant pxc2 rear wheel. The 27.5 version has an awfully ow engagement. Horrible for slow techy sections.

    Would this rear hub be better at 72 POE. The giant hub is 12POE but I don't know if that literally means the koozer is faster?

    I plan to use the same rims and buying whatever spokes are needed.

    I have no experience with wheel building but could someone enlighten me with what kind of spokes would be needed for this build?

    I plan to have a friend build it up for me.

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    are you gonna use it for road and light trails, what I know is the koozer hubs is for light trails and road use only, not for downhill, all mountain and rocky roads

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    Hi all,

    I was able to open up the side cap of the koozer hubs, but still no idea on how to remove the 4 bearings inside and remove the free hub body, I would like to replace the bearings into ceramic or japan made bearings

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    If its anything like the majority of these Chinese hubs, you remove the end caps using a 5mm allen key in either end to get one of the caps off. You then use a 10mm allen key in the axle end for the end cap you removed to get the other end cap off. Once the end cap from the freehub side is off, just grab the freehub and pull it off.

    Take a look at my disassembly instructions for the bikehubstore MTB252 - chances are its similar or identical to what you need to do.

    By the way, what are the bearing sizes in the Koozer hub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigWorld View Post
    If its anything like the majority of these Chinese hubs, you remove the end caps using a 5mm allen key in either end to get one of the caps off. You then use a 10mm allen key in the axle end for the end cap you removed to get the other end cap off. Once the end cap from the freehub side is off, just grab the freehub and pull it off.

    Take a look at my disassembly instructions for the bikehubstore MTB252 - chances are its similar or identical to what you need to do.

    By the way, what are the bearing sizes in the Koozer hub?
    thanks for the reply Tigworld,.. I tried pulling off the freehub but it doesn't want to go out..

    not really sure about the size of the bearings.. will give it a shot next time..

    by the way do I have to apply some oil to on the freehub body to act as lubricant? or just leave it as is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by caRpetbomBer View Post
    Those are the old version with 3 pawls. I think.

    New ones look like this
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    this what I'm trying to do, still can't remove the bearings and free hub body, I think I may need to use a rubber hammer?

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    Both end caps are off Force? the body should come right off

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyrayeast View Post
    Both end caps are off Force? the body should come right off
    yup.. both end caps removed, I tried using 10mm allen and some tool to hammer it off, but no luck... I just wanna check if it is properly lubricated and also try and replace the bearings.. to Japanese made bearings

    the bearings are working fine, but would love to have peace of mind with Japanese made bearings

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    Quote Originally Posted by caRpetbomBer View Post
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    thanks a lot for the video, that is indeed a koozer hub, will try open up my hubs using the same method on the video. will also even try to post a video...

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    Good Job Force...How did everything look on the inside? any scoring on the body,that type of stuff? Thanks

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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under -cycletrack4.jpg


    See that little nick to the left of the pawl,any of that on the inside?

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    it is raining hard here in Philippines, I'll check if I can open the hubs later, I'm still at the office now, and about to go home.. freakin rainy season.. no choice but to ride on Monday even if it is raining hard

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    finally..! free hub body is out! i followed the steps on the video and was indeed surprised

    it was my 4th time to yank em out... light grease on the pawls and no nicks.. no dirt..

    i didn't bother putting on some grease since it looks ok to me.. will let those bearings wear out see how long they will last..

    thank you everyone.. for the help... great forum... great riders!

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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    @force what shop did you get those? Im from the philippines too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmeuvdast8 View Post
    @force what shop did you get those? Im from the philippines too.
    it is only available at bike hub in san fernando pampanga, I'm from manila, or they say it is now available in quiapo but at $100 plus for the price P4,800

    so why not try this one from novatec same technology 6 pawls with 72 POE
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1455177&type=3

    I already bought the koozer before I saw the novatec 6 pawls same price P3800

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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    Thanks. Might get one if my plan of building a 650B pushes through.

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    Ok got my hub, took apart my rim and visually I thought I could reuse my spokes, hehe after lacing up the drive side it appears they aren't the same length. Has anyone laced these hubs to 29er flow rims non EX if that matters they are 3 yrs old. Im on a budget hence the hub but I have no idea how to calculate spoke length. If i brought the rim and hub to a store do you think they could figure it out for me?

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    For the rear
    259 left, 261 right if using 3x

    Edit nevermind, that is for 26

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    Sorry I can't be of any help right now.. since I'm using 26 rims, no idea with 29 rims what kind of koozer you have right now? the 3 pawls or 6 pawls?

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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    I'm using the 6pawl newer hubs. Dan stupid question. Why would drive and non drive be diff if the hub itself looks like both sides are the same diameter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forcemajeure View Post
    it is only available at bike hub in san fernando pampanga, I'm from manila, or they say it is now available in quiapo but at $100 plus for the price P4,800

    so why not try this one from novatec same technology 6 pawls with 72 POE
    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1455177&type=3

    I already bought the koozer before I saw the novatec 6 pawls same price P3800
    Can you tell me what model hub that NovaTec is? It is also a lot heavier than the Koozer hub - you think Novatec is making the Koozer hub?

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    DanGSR.....what's that hub look like?

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    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatcap View Post
    Can you tell me what model hub that NovaTec is? It is also a lot heavier than the Koozer hub - you think Novatec is making the Koozer hub?
    i really don't have any idea what is the exact model of the Novatec, but it shows the old logo of novatec and they are not the same, it is a little bit heavier than koozer, about 40grams heavier
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forcemajeure View Post
    not really what is the exact model of the Novatec, but it shows the old logo of novatec and they are not the same, it is a little bit heavier than koozer, about 40grams heavier
    I'm Desperately trying to figure out who's manufacturing the Koozer Hub. It's a great hub but without Thru-axle capability front and rear it's pretty much useless!!

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    It says designed by Reeborn, I couldn't find more info

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatcap View Post
    I'm Desperately trying to figure out who's manufacturing the Koozer Hub. It's a great hub but without Thru-axle capability front and rear it's pretty much useless!!
    You might be able to find caps to convert them into thru axles. Im pretty sure some hubs use the same caps for conversion kits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitness24 View Post
    Ok got my hub, took apart my rim and visually I thought I could reuse my spokes, hehe after lacing up the drive side it appears they aren't the same length. Has anyone laced these hubs to 29er flow rims non EX if that matters they are 3 yrs old. Im on a budget hence the hub but I have no idea how to calculate spoke length. If i brought the rim and hub to a store do you think they could figure it out for me?
    i'd say rather than asking/paying a shop spend the money on Roger Musson's Wheelbuilding book. $15 very well spent. There is a section on hub, rim & spoke measurement. Bicycle wheels, wheelbuilding book and courses Best wheelbuilding resource I've seen.

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    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under $60

    Got it all sorted out amazingly I had spokes that worked out,laced it up and had it trued for 30 bucks. I gotta admit I'm a little bummed that it's not loud. I'm a fan of those loud hubs.

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    try visiting this website for more infos on koozer hubs RBN ????????? you need to click on translate to english

    here is another video about my koozer, if I saw the novatec first, I will go with the novatec hubs even thous it is an old model...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtavTmuqAoc

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyrayeast View Post
    DanGSR.....what's that hub look like?
    Dan Gsr,

    try viewing it over this link you can click previous and next buttons to view other pics
    https://www.facebook.com/MARSKINGDOM...e=1&permPage=1

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    That is not the koozer hub

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    I just picked up a set. I'd like to order my spokes and have them ready to build when they get here. Anyone know the dimensions so I can do a spoke calculation?

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    hey guys...i recently puchased a koozer rear hub...i just built it up this weekend, i like the sound, it's not too bad... it will probably be equivalent to an azonic outlaw hub....anyway, i laced it up to a what i think was a supra d rim...the measurements i used in the prowheel builder were ERD 540; axle 135; flng 57; left lck to flng 35; right lck to flng 50; 32H; 3X....i used 260 mm for drive side and 262 for brake side
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    so far I havn't tried my koozer hubs on trails, on their website it is only recommended for road use

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    now how do we remove and replace the old bearings on koozer? I wanna try full ceramic bearings on them

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    IN THE WEBSITE SAID IS A MOUNTAIN BIKE HUB

    HA04N | REBORN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT LIMITED

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    I FOUND IN EBAY, KOOZER HUB WITH 15MM FRONT AND 12X142 REAR. FRONT AND BACK FOR $92.99 FREE SHIPPING.

    New Koozer HA02N HA04N 72HD Hub CNC Aluminum 2 4 Bearing 32h Front Rear MTB Road | eBay

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    Here
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under -12x142.jpg  

    Koozer hubs, 72 POE @ under -15f2.jpg  


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    Just bought a set (in QR) because why not. Do they sell the endcaps anywhere if I want to change to 15mm later?

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    holy smucks..! this is crazy..!

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    so far my koozer hubs still doing great... i only use them on roads ang light trails... so satisfied with them... been using them for 4 months now

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    cerebroside you have to ask the vendor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    Just bought a set (in QR) because why not. Do they sell the endcaps anywhere if I want to change to 15mm later?
    Do you have caps now for qr size...if not, they can't make the hole bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brmeyer135 View Post
    Do you have caps now for qr size...if not, they can't make the hole bigger.
    Won't receive them for a while, but it looks like they do in the pictures.

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    I'am now using koozer HAO4N and circus monkey hdw3

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyhfjW7VHhA

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    Hi, I want to buy a koozer hubs but I care about spare parts, Do you think the cassette body other brand works?

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    bring your bike to the shop and let them check out your bike

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    I'm between koozer or novatec , I dont now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cronoscr View Post
    I'm between koozer or novatec , I dont now...
    Which Novatec are you looking at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    Which Novatec are you looking at?
    Novatec D711SB D712SB but the Koozer look and listen better and are cheaper than novatec XD

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    Ive had my koozer for a bout 3 months of weekly trail riding. Im a clyde at 270 and using it on my SS. So far so good, not too loud fast engagement Im happy.

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    thanks for your review (Y)

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    Finally got mine. I have to say the packaging was way better than most stuff I buy from China. Custom printed box with folded cardboard inserts for the hubs to fit into, nice.

    Hubs look great considering the price. Weights are more or less spot on claimed. Measured F 201 g / R 304 g.
    The fronts are not convertible QR to 15mm, but I'm OK with buying another hub when I change forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    Finally got mine. I have to say the packaging was way better than most stuff I buy from China. Custom printed box with folded cardboard inserts for the hubs to fit into, nice.

    Hubs look great considering the price. Weights are more or less spot on claimed. Measured F 201 g / R 304 g.
    The fronts are not convertible QR to 15mm, but I'm OK with buying another hub when I change forks.
    are you gonna use the koozer on trails? I'm using the koozer on light trails now.. hope it will last long

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    The current 12x142 rear is 3 pawl so 1/2 the engagement. They are working on a 6 pawl version.

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