• 12-19-2012
    rugbyred
    Hope Pro Evo with Flow EX- spoke length
    Hello,
    I would like to build a set of wheels over the winter for myself.
    The hubs I will be using are the Hope Pro II Evo (20mm & 150mm) and the rims will be the new Flow EX.
    I have used a spoke calculator which suggested the following spoke length for a 3x pattern.

    Front
    Drive Side- 260.6
    Non-Drive Side- 258.9

    Rear
    Drive Side- 259.9
    Non-Drive Side- 259.2

    Unfortunately, the spoke calculator only had the hub information for the Hope Pro II and not the newer Pro II Evo. I have not been able to find out if the two hubs have the same measurements.

    Are the spoke lengths correct and can I use 260mm length spokes for the whole wheel?
    Thank you,
    Eric
  • 12-19-2012
    Bike Whisperer
    Are you using your ERD measurement or Stans? IME using Stans the spokes came up a hair short. However your measurements are longer than what Stans lists so you might be OK
    http://www.notubes.com/literature/St...chart_2012.pdf
  • 12-19-2012
    rugbyred
    BW,
    Thank you for your response.
    The measurement that I used was Stan's ERD (538) as I do not have any of the parts at this point in time.
    I would like to order all the parts at once.
    Not looking forward to the headache I get from building the wheels if it is worse than trying to find all the proper information that I need to order everything!

    Eric
  • 12-19-2012
    dnlwthrn
    From what I found earlier this year, the measurements for the ProII Evo are the same as the ProII. The differences are internal.

    FWIW, Stan's (in the chart referenced above) calls for 258 and 260mm spokes for both front and rear ProII hubs.
  • 12-19-2012
    meltingfeather
    Be very careful using hub and/or rim measurements out of databases.
    The Pro 2 EVO and Pro 2 have the same dimensions. It's the same shell with slightly modified internals.
    Given the popularity of your selected combo, though, I'd say you're pretty safe. 260mm all around will work, but you're going to have to work a little harder to get dish right off the bat.
  • 12-19-2012
    rugbyred
    Hello all,
    Thank you once again for your responses, they are really helpful.
    I spoke with a shop via email and was told to use:

    Front:
    260mm Drive side
    261mm Disc Side

    Rear:
    260mm Both sides

    I am guessing the 261mm would make life a little easier when attempting my first wheel build?

    Eric
  • 12-19-2012
    meltingfeather
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rugbyred View Post
    Hello all,
    Thank you once again for your responses, they are really helpful.
    I spoke with a shop via email and was told to use:

    Front:
    260mm Drive side
    261mm Disc Side

    Rear:
    260mm Both sides

    I am guessing the 261mm would make life a little easier when attempting my first wheel build?

    Eric

    The longer spokes go on the drive side of a front wheel.
  • 12-19-2012
    lanceuppercut
    I just built up the same wheelset and used 260mm all around with no issues.
  • 12-19-2012
    rugbyred
    Ianceuppercut,
    Thank you for the info.
    Now to find the best prices and order.

    Eric
  • 12-19-2012
    lanceuppercut
    I got the hubs from CRC and Sapim Race spokes from Dan's Comp. Best prices I could find.
  • 12-19-2012
    rugbyred
    I think you would be correct about CRC prices. I don't see to be able to find the spokes on Dan's Comp. I only find BMX ones. I have also seen the Sapim spokes for $0.90/spoke from BikeHubStore.com.
    The Sapin Race spokes are about the same as the DT Swiss Champion? The Champion spokes are $12.73/18 at CRC.
    Sometimes bike part shopping gives me a headache but I do love it.
    Thanks everyone for their help.

    Eric
  • 12-19-2012
    lanceuppercut
    They just list them as double butted on the website. You have to order by phone and give them the length you want. Apparently you can find coupons for free shipping too.
    Sapim Double Butted Spoke (Black) at Danscomp
  • 12-20-2012
    rugbyred
    lanceuppercut,

    That is an amazing price, thank you.
    On another note, can someone explain the difference between 12 gauge and 14 gauge spokes. I am assuming there is a size difference, but is there another difference that would change how a wheel would be built?
    Eric
  • 12-21-2012
    mrgto
    Just received an order of 70 sapim double butted (race) spokes with nipples from Dans Comp for $32 shipped, next day! Plus they threw in a pretty cool BMX calender for my shop!

    The smaller the gauge number the bigger the diameter. 14 gauge is 2.0mm and 12 gauge is 2.6mm

    Typically straight guage spokes are easier to build with for first time wheel builders, but I havenet had any problems building with double butted spokes, but i take my time and make sure i am watching for wind up.
  • 12-21-2012
    rugbyred
    Mrgto,
    Thanks for the info.
    Did you use a coupon to get the deal?

    Eric
  • 12-21-2012
    meltingfeather
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rugbyred View Post
    Mrgto,
    Thanks for the info.
    Did you use a coupon to get the deal?

    Eric

    no he didn't.
    go to the website.
    they are $0.40 all the time, silver brass nipple included.
    (link)
  • 12-21-2012
    rugbyred
    You would be correct, I was assuming his tastes were as good as mine and he had chosen black spokes with black nipples.
    Sometimes I really amaze myself with my dumbness!

    Eric
  • 12-21-2012
    mrgto
    Went with the silver spokes. if i could have found gold brass nipples i would have bought the black spokes. i am lacing a ud matte carbon rim to gold pro 2 evos.

    Great guys to deal with at Dans Comp super friendly on the phone and great price including nipples (even tho im not using them) on some very good spokes that typically go for double the cost. shipping is a flat 8 bucks and some change if you stay under x amoount of money.

    just on a side note i found 100 count box of dt swiss hexagon brass nipples on amazon for like 10 bucks.
  • 03-30-2014
    happyriding
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bike Whisperer View Post
    Are you using your ERD measurement or Stans? IME using Stans the spokes came up a hair short. However your measurements are longer than what Stans lists so you might be OK
    http://www.notubes.com/literature/St...chart_2012.pdf

    There's a new chart here:

    http://www.notubes.com/help/a/litera...01-15-2014.pdf

    The ERD Stan's uses seems to have declined from 538 to 537.