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    Forte Pisgah from performance?

    I'm looking for another high volume trail bike tire for use in well, Pisgah actually. I came across these
    Looks like the tread borrows lug designs from the panaracer fire and the nevegal among others. Maybe a rebadged CST product? The volume and weight look ok too. I doubt the compound is anything special but can't complain for the price.

    I've only found one person using these on the forums and they seem to like them (hope he doesn't mind me using his pic). Does anyone else know anything about these? I'd love to run a tire named after my favorite place to ride!

    By the way, I am currently running Minion 2.35's which I like but are way to small. (more like a smaller 2.1). I think the 2.5's might be a bit much for extended climbing. Other ties on my list include...
    1.Panaracer Rampage 2.35
    2. WTB Bronson 2.3
    3. Tioga Psycho Genius
    4. Maxxis Ardent

    I've gone the Nevegal route, looking for something different.

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    Here's a pic from the AM picture thread: http://www.fototime.com/B5E8A54D026CDF0/orig.jpg

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    I only have two rides on them in dry hardpack conditions, but so far I have no complaints especially at $19. I'm running it up front with a wtb wolverine in the back.

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    I was wondering about these too. I saw them in the roswell, ga store and I could have sworn that they were folded up. However website says wire bead only.... Maybe they were folded up wire beads?

    I love nevegals and these look very close. Are they available in 2.3? Website only offers 2.1... The pic in the AM thread shows 2.3.

    I bet there are more options on this tire than the website is showing at this time.

    If anyone posts reviews, breifly mention what type terrain and where your located. I would really be interested if anyone is running them as ghetto tubeless (GT). Can you even run wired beads as GT setup?

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    I saw them too

    I saw them folded in the Indianapolis store and there were multiple size options. I would agree that the website is not up to date. I would like to hear how they are doing for people riding the midwest terrain.

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    They do have 2.3's on the site and I know for certain those are folding.

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    I'm seriously contemplating these out of sheer curiosity. They're down to $19.99 ea. which means they're less than half of what I usually spend on tires.

    They look like they'd be decent in intermediated conditions. The volume looks good and the weight is on par with the competition. The tread pattern looks fine, they're probably made from a cheap 60a compound but it can't be too bad.

    If I end up getting them, I'll make a full report.

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    I have one on the rear of my One, it's a 2.3 folding, got it at a store in DC. Like everyone else I was curious, and for $20 figured it was worth a shot. There definately are folding and 2.3 versions; that's all I saw in fact.

    I think they listed the weight at 750g, and... I don't remember the exact number, but I weighed mine pretty close. On a Charger Pro rim, the width of the knobs is 2.35, casing is 2.23, according to my calipers. They claim to be 60a... I actually have access to a durometer at work, but never measured... maybe I should.

    I don't have that many rides on it yet, but initial impressions, as a rear tire: traction is pretty good, I never broke it free from torque on loose climbing, cornering, I have no complaints, and it held surprisingly well on diagonal logs (where the rear wants to slide rather than roll over).
    There is a lot of rolling resistance though. You know that nevegal "are my brakes dragging?" feeling when climbing or going kind of slow? That's this tire. I guess that's kind of the price you pay for a traction sometimes.

    I haven't gotten them particularly wet yet, so can't comment on mud-clearing. That's one major beef I have with Nevegals and Rampages, is if you get them wet, at all, they become basically a really heavy slick tire.
    Anyway, I'm sure Performance didn't design their own tire, so these probably are a re-badged something else. For $20 I'm happy with it, but I don't think I'd pay much more than that.

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    I converted my trek SU200 that had "city tires" on it to these monsters. Was at performance looking for something meaty and decent in price. Plus they were call Pisgah. hey an added plus. Anyway, they have extremely high rolling resistance on pavement, but pretty much will grip anything loose or slippery on the trail.

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    My good friend that ride with me just got them at performance in 2.3 and replace them with the navegal that he use to ride for a very long time he claim they have a good Traction and they rolling resistance is good. my brother got them as well he ride the tire in the front and loves it. And I just got the a new tioga Psyco as a rear tire and I love it excellent tire very fast,low rr and great grip a way better then the Nubby nic I just had And the navagal as well. I don't need to look for a rear tire any more this tire make the challenge trails much more fun to do.

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    I am running these bad boys on a single speed rigid 26" and they have a decent amount of volume for chatter absorption and grip nicely on the eastern woods single track I ride.

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    yep 60A compound, wife just gave me a set of these for christmas. I rode them today. Mud shed is pretty good, grip is wonderful on the leaf covered private twisty steep singletrack trail here at the farm. The biggest thing I noticed is that the overall diameter of the 26" wheel expanded about a 1/4 + inches. Usually when I ride a 2.3, the tire width is wider not the actual height of the tire. This sorta fits with the bigger wheel trend that has come up in the past 5 years. My Giant Trance really fit well with this folding tire. I'm surprised.
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    Good Tires

    A friend turned me onto the Pisgah Forte tires and they perform well. I run a Pisgah 2.3 in the front and a Panaracer 2.1 in the rear. I ride 3 times a week on a variety of single track, fire road and rock gardens. No complaints. When I can get them for $20, I stock up! They are similar in tread pattern to the Kenda Nevegal.

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    I bought one a couple weeks ago for the rear of a bike I am now giving away but not a bad tire for $15 bucks.

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    Bringing this thread back to life...

    I ride a Pisgah up front and the Dartmoor in back, the Dartmoor being the Schwalbe Furious Fred copy with a slick center and knobbed sides.

    I am so thoroughly impressed with these "budget" tires, I am going to race this set-up at Sea Otter. I use the 2.3 Pisgah up front and the 2.0 Dartmoor, and I have not found a trail condition (except for wet clay) where this tire combo didn't work.

    I figured that a major company (I suspect Kenda) is manufacturing these and Performance is just slapping their name on them. I never was a fan of the wire bead Forte' MTB tires (their city tires are good), but these folding tires are up to par with any of the high end tires available for twice the cost.

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    Performance developed those tires themselves. They work pretty well for what it's worth, especially for the price.

    That said, I run Bronsons. I've ridden all over Pisgah on these tires and they handled it like a champ. Solid grip and they're durable enough to handle all those rocks.
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    great thread, more experiences?

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    I picked one up to replace a blown out rampage sc.

    Its big, its got good volume, but its pretty stiff. On dirt its pretty good! Really predictable, corners well, doesnt slip or do anything sketchy. You kinda forget its there and just ride, which is nice. It also sheds mud pretty well. It feels like a low volume tire though.

    On rocks, again its pretty stiff. It doesnt conform to the rocks well at all, and sort of bounces off them. I had to run it really low on pressure to get acceptable grip. I tried 23-28psi, but they just dont feel at home on rocks. My trails only have a few patches of really rocky area, so it was tolerable.

    All in all, the rampage sc did everything better (its really a great underrated tire). The pishgah isnt bad, and it'll stay on the bike since it does work so well on dirt... but I probably wont be rushing out to buy another one.

    As a 19 buck tire, you really couldnt ask for more. Compared to everything else out there, it falls about in the middle.

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    Oh, I do want to add that I ride a rigid fork up front, aluminum that is, on rocks.

    I will give an update after laying down a few rides with a 100mm XC suspension fork.

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    The tire comes in both wire bead and folding.
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    Another update.. the trails were dry this time, and the tire was just great. Did well in the rocks and roots too. It does roll quite slow, but its very well behaved when its dry.

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    Forte' Pisgah

    These tires are great! I find they work best as a front tire, but I just recently bought another for the back and the rolling resistance is still very good. 2.3" on the front and back. An employee at PerformanceBike was telling me that these are made by Panaracer using Performance Bike's specifications. You can buy these as a 2.1" Wire Bead or a 2.3" folding tire and the 2.3" as a softer rubber. I definitely recommend these tires if you're looking for an effective and cheap.

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    I was able to set up both versions tubeless on Mavic 819 rims. Sealed up in a couple of minutes with Stan's sealant. I used a compressor on both ... the Kevlar-beaded one probably would have seated with a pump, the wire-bead one needed soapy water on the beads and some fiddling to seat.

    Think I'll go ride in Pisgah tomorrow ...

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    FWIW, I've had a couple of these set up tubeless, and they didn't work well. Not a very tight fit, and on more than one occasion they lost all pressure overnight. Also found them tough to seal up and that they weeped through the sidewalls quite a bit.
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    I love em and were super easy to set up ghetto tubeless. 2.35's, folding, with the 60A durometer stamp on the side wall, mounted on a 24mm rim. They sealed right away and hold air well. Oh yeah, good tire on the trail even though it might roll a lil bit slow.

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    Just bought a folding 2.3 Pisgah to replace the 2.35 Nevegal that was too big for the backend of my bike. ('98 Joshua XO) Will post again when I get some miles on it.

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    Other than a good looking tire, the Pisgah hooks up very well in turns, better than any name brand tire I've had and I've had a bunch. Aired up tubelss 1st shot and has not leaked. It's a nice size tire also, a true 2.3. Hate it when you air one up out of the box to find it's a dwarf to which usually cannot be returned because It's been "opened". This tire paired with a Forte Tsali 2.2 on the back is the best setup I've had so far. At this price point of $20 or less each and the overall performance, these are definetely my go to tires from now on. Hopefully they don't stop making them anytime soon. Should stock up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMC FS View Post
    Other than a good looking tire, the Pisgah hooks up very well in turns, better than any name brand tire I've had and I've had a bunch. Aired up tubelss 1st shot and has not leaked. It's a nice size tire also, a true 2.3. Hate it when you air one up out of the box to find it's a dwarf to which usually cannot be returned because It's been "opened". This tire paired with a Forte Tsali 2.2 on the back is the best setup I've had so far. At this price point of $20 or less each and the overall performance, these are definetely my go to tires from now on. Hopefully they don't stop making them anytime soon. Should stock up.
    What are you comparing these to?

    Also, not sure about stocking up on rubber - over time the tires will dry out and perform worse. You're already starting with a harder rubber compound, dont really want to get much harder unless you're sticking to pavement or never ride in wet conditions.

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    Forte Pisgah from performance?-pisgah.jpgGTscoob:
    Not really comparing these to another tire. They seem to be a breed of their own and have out performed what I've used so far. Prior to the Pisgah I had a Bonti XR4 which was a good tire but I dont believe it hooked up as well as the Pisgah (IMO). If I were to compare, I would say they are a crossbreed between Pana Fire XC (center nobs) and Schwalbe NN (outer nobs) but with a larger OD.
    Good point about stocking rubber.
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    I have them 2.3 front and rear and love em. I can't compare them to much but love the volume they have and they have a good squishy feel to them over rocks. They grip awesome in lots of stuff just finally starting to dry up around here and they are even better, they shed mud good too although I try to stay out of mud as much as I can. They seem thin and I've really been on some jagged stuff with them and running tubes still and so far so good. Half the price of a lot of tires and they are light weight . I have a 26" fs bike and I'm thinking about another 29" set for my salsa fargo maybe. Another forte tire to check out is the tsali ... I use one on the rear sometimes on good solid dry stuff ... Awesome for a faster tire or if you end up riding on the the road for a little bit. Forte Pisgah from performance?-image.jpgForte Pisgah from performance?-image.jpg

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    Thought I would add my two cents to the Pisgah 29X 2.2 on a the front of a rigid Raleigh XXIX+G . They were on sale for $20.00 , weighed 660 grams . After being dumped on my ass twice with a Rocket Ron on loose moondust over hard I went looking for something with more bite through the loose. Very happy , not one slip today and good rolling resistance. They will stay until the rain hits where anything will work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eedavis View Post
    I was able to set up both versions tubeless on Mavic 819 rims. Sealed up in a couple of minutes with Stan's sealant. I used a compressor on both ... the Kevlar-beaded one probably would have seated with a pump, the wire-bead one needed soapy water on the beads and some fiddling to seat.

    Think I'll go ride in Pisgah tomorrow ...
    Yeah I couldn't for the life of me set up the wire bead tubeless even with the split tube (ghetto). Problem for me is the two wires would set and want to go together too narrow not allowing any air to trap and form a seal (even with a compressor and soapy water).

    Perhaps the folding would be better...

    Edit: Forgot to add I ended up using a tube to just use it and rode it on back in reverse direction. Great rolling and amazing tractor pull performance. Super impressed with traction for back.

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    I put these on my new 29er before ever taking it out because I knew the racing tires on it would not work on my usual trail. They are very similar to the Panaracer Fire on my old bike. They provided flawless traction on sandy areas, hardback, rock gardens, roots and loose gravel over hard pack. I even forded a small stream. Not much mud, but the tires shed what mud I did hit quickly. I have never tried any other tires on this bike, but I always ended up having to get Panaracer Fire tires on my previous bikes, nothing else worked as well on all of the above terrain.

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    I was using Maxxis Aspen that comes with my 29er. For the front, the traction on hardpack and loose gravel is not so good for me. I went out of trail a few times when cornering. With almost no budget, I picked up the Forte Pisgah at $19.99 + tax for my front wheel. I m impressed after riding the same trail. The Pisgah holds my Maxxis Aspen cannot hold. Good value for money.
    I don't really feel the rolling resistance as I am using it for the front only.

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    they come in both wire, and foldable formats

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    I've run this tire on two rims. First Sun Ringle Charger expert (has a stans bead) - set up tubeless. Needed a little help with a tube to get one side seated - then floor pump the rest. No issues. Rear wheel only.

    Second wheelset tubeless on Specialized Roval Trails (stock wheels 12 stumpy fsr 29). Ran well for a while then they blew off the bead at the end of a fast flowy run. For this wheel I now run it with a tube for safety reasons.

    They're a little more sensitive to pressure than say a Spec Control or Purgatory - and can feel harsh instead of supple. But very impressed with the tire for the price point.

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    I've been running a Pisgah up front and Tsali on the back of a hardtail 29 for a couple months now. No real complaints, and the tires seem to hook up well while still being fairly easy rollers. Agree with there being a fairly narrow sweet spot wrt tire pressure. A couple of pounds makes the difference between harsh and squirrelly.
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    I was looking for new tires for my 29er and this was one of my choices. My other was the Maxxis Ardent which is a favorite around here for the conditions (WNC / Pisgah). I went with the Forte Pisgah because it was cheaper and lighter than the Ardent.

    I had a hard time getting it to seal tubeless at first, but added extra rim tape (tire was a little loose) and then had no problems. I was running Cont XKings and this tire does everything the Mountain King does.

    So far it has tackled everything; snow, roots, rocks, logs - both in Pisgah and Dupont trails including pretty tech climbs in wet conditions. I have noticed some increased rolling resistance over the Cont XKings, I felt the "brake drag" affect. It was only noticeable in sandy and mud conditions though, not normal trail conditions. But it there was definitely increased drag over my old tire set up.

    Mud shedding was the same (I still have an XKing in the front so it was easy to compare). IMO neither XKing or Forte Pisgah shed mud very well, but they aren't horrible either.

    I would recommend the FP. You can't beat the price and the performance is just as good to other all mountain tires.

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    +1 for the pisgah. just bought me the 2.2 version for my front end duties. the tire seems ok. i will try it out in a couple of days ( mt tabor or allatoona creek). the tire looks good AND it was on sale for 30 bucks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohkeepah View Post
    I was looking for new tires for my 29er and this was one of my choices. My other was the Maxxis Ardent which is a favorite around here for the conditions (WNC / Pisgah). I went with the Forte Pisgah because it was cheaper and lighter than the Ardent.

    I had a hard time getting it to seal tubeless at first, but added extra rim tape (tire was a little loose) and then had no problems. I was running Cont XKings and this tire does everything the Mountain King does.

    So far it has tackled everything; snow, roots, rocks, logs - both in Pisgah and Dupont trails including pretty tech climbs in wet conditions. I have noticed some increased rolling resistance over the Cont XKings, I felt the "brake drag" affect. It was only noticeable in sandy and mud conditions though, not normal trail conditions. But it there was definitely increased drag over my old tire set up.

    Mud shedding was the same (I still have an XKing in the front so it was easy to compare). IMO neither XKing or Forte Pisgah shed mud very well, but they aren't horrible either.

    I would recommend the FP. You can't beat the price and the performance is just as good to other all mountain tires.
    So, how did this work out for you? I'm in the same boat as you were, except I hate my Ardents - just don't seem to grab in Pisgah, stopping or going. Is the Forte Pisgah sidewall sturdy enough? Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swoodbrn View Post
    So, how did this work out for you? I'm in the same boat as you were, except I hate my Ardents - just don't seem to grab in Pisgah, stopping or going. Is the Forte Pisgah sidewall sturdy enough? Thx.
    Hey swoodbrn, I wrote that review after having the tire a month. After riding the crap out of it, I can provide an updated opinion. The tire was great at first. However after a little wear, the performance dropped quite a bit. I attribute this to the ramped knobs. There is an edge where the ramp meets the flat part of the knob which provides a lot of the bite for the tire. It does not take much for the edge to wear down and disappear which greatly reduces traction when climbing. I really noticed it on roots, the tire would spin out so easy. I really had to focus on keeping my weight on the front of my seat when I wanted to stand and mash. I will say the side knobs were great. They really hook when cornering and leaning the bike over.

    The overall wear was great though. I ride around twice a week in Pisgah and Bent Creek and I got a year out of it. I ride fairly aggressively and have a full suspension. I was worried about the sidewalls. They showed a lot of wear fairly quickly. There was always concern it would start leaking air or form a hole where the threads were showing. But I have to say, they held up. Never went flat despite the spiral wear pattern on the sidwall. I definitely got my $35 bucks worth.

    I used this tire in the rear with an Ardent up front. The ardent is working great for me. I am using a 29er 2.25 EXO. Sounds like you are using ardents in front and back? I just put a nobby nic peformance (not the evolution) on the back and have been liking it so far. I need more time on it for a solid opinion though, we'll see how the sidewalls hold up. Tire mounted effortlessly on my I9 despite not being tubeless ready. Tire was $45.

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    Forte Pisgah from performance?

    Thx for the report ohkeepah. I've been running a high roller in front, since taking off the Ardent - I don't really like those for front or back, though I've been running it backwards in the back, with some success. I always liked the Pisgah on my Trance26, for Raleigh and especially Pisgah trails.

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    Yeah, I've been wanting to try a high roller. They're really heavy though. Maybe I'll give one a shot.

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    I chewed through the pisgah/tsali sidwalls in short order- 6 rides or so. I liked them when they were new, but i have no idea how they behave as they wear since they wouldn't keep their tubes on the insides. I have never seen a tire wear through the sidewalls so quickly by an order of magnitude. Stay away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg View Post
    I chewed through the pisgah/tsali sidwalls in short order- 6 rides or so. I liked them when they were new, but i have no idea how they behave as they wear since they wouldn't keep their tubes on the insides. I have never seen a tire wear through the sidewalls so quickly by an order of magnitude. Stay away.
    I had the same problem of chewing through the sidewalls when running tubeless. The problem was that I was running them at about 25 lbs and they are rated to run a lot higher. at 25 lbs the sidewalls just flex too much and wear out. However, at 19.00 on sale I can live with it. They are light, cheap, and lock up real well on the AZ trails I ride.

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    Anybody try the updated version? Seems to be a dual compound affair and it looks like an aggressive beast as well. 945g is pretty damn heavy but it still is fairly cheap.

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    why in the world would they not make a 27.5 option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boardjnky4 View Post
    why in the world would they not make a 27.5 option?
    The euro trekking bike size? Kind of a niche market, don't you think?
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    Euro trekking? Have you looked at manufacturer's 2016 lineups? It's filled with 27.5/650b!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwarz View Post
    Euro trekking? Have you looked at manufacturer's 2016 lineups? It's filled with 27.5/650b!
    interesting. performance probably just wants to see if the size gains traction (get it) before committing to making the tire mold.
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    Forte Pisgah from performance?

    My guess... And it's only a guess... Is that a company like Cheng Shin Tire (CST) makes private label tires for them and Performance doesn't have an agreement for the 27.5/650b yet.

    It's highly improbable that Performance Bicycle has a tire manufacturing plant.
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    Side note: Did you know that Giant got rid of all but one bike with 26" wheels? It's an entry level ($350ish) bicycle. All the other mountain bikes are 27.5 or 29ers.
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    I was trying to wait it out until june for the new Bontrager XR4 but I'm doing a ride in Wilson's Creek tomorrow (Pisgah) and I needed a burly front tire. Local performance shop had the 29x2.35 Pisgah tubeless ready version in stock so I figured I'd give it a try. Tire was marked at $49.99 so I had to ask for the $35.99 online price.

    Here's what I observed

    Casing: Marked as "tubeless ready" and the sidewall feels quite thick. Definitely thicker than the Maxxis Exo, Schwalbe Snakeskin, and Bontrager Team issue casings I had on hand. I aired it up on my LB 31.8mm (internal) rims and it ballooned out nicely. I lost my calipers in my last move but my Ikon 2.35" measure 2.47" on the same rim. These look to be almost precisely as voluminous at the casing and the edge knobs stick out even farther. This is a very large tire, easily a true 2.35" and it probably still has a bit of stretching to do.

    Mounting: It took some wrestling to mount this tire up, I eventually resorted to some soapy water to slide the bead onto the rim. They aired up easily with my little compressor and took about 40psi to fully seat.

    Tread Tread is big and blocky, center knobs are generously ramped but I imagine the double rows of center knobs should give decent braking performance. Neither the edge or center knobs look as tall as a minion but they are a bit taller than my XR4. Edge knob feel sturdy and you can tell the difference between the stickier compound vs the center knobs.

    Weight This thing is pretty hefty, on the package it says 945g, my scale said 10g heavier at 955g. However, the sidewall seems sturdy and I don't think it will need to be bogged down with a gallon of sealant. I put 2oz of orange seal in and it's held air well for the past couple hours with zero seepage.

    Overall for $35 I'm pretty impressed with the quality of the Pisgah. I'm not looking forward to pedaling it up the highway tomorrow but it looks like it will be pretty fun on the way down. The Wilson's Creek trails I'm riding tomorrow should be a good test with rocks, soft soil, and wet roots so I'll try to provide a ride report in a bit.Forte Pisgah from performance?-img_1829.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    I was trying to wait it out until june for the new Bontrager XR4 but I'm doing a ride in Wilson's Creek tomorrow (Pisgah) and I needed a burly front tire. Local performance shop had the 29x2.35 Pisgah tubeless ready version in stock so I figured I'd give it a try. Tire was marked at $49.99 so I had to ask for the $35.99 online price.

    Here's what I observed

    Casing: Marked as "tubeless ready" and the sidewall feels quite thick. Definitely thicker than the Maxxis Exo, Schwalbe Snakeskin, and Bontrager Team issue casings I had on hand. I aired it up on my LB 31.8mm (internal) rims and it ballooned out nicely. I lost my calipers in my last move but my Ikon 2.35" measure 2.47" on the same rim. These look to be almost precisely as voluminous at the casing and the edge knobs stick out even farther. This is a very large tire, easily a true 2.35" and it probably still has a bit of stretching to do.

    Mounting: It took some wrestling to mount this tire up, I eventually resorted to some soapy water to slide the bead onto the rim. They aired up easily with my little compressor and took about 40psi to fully seat.

    Tread Tread is big and blocky, center knobs are generously ramped but I imagine the double rows of center knobs should give decent braking performance. Neither the edge or center knobs look as tall as a minion but they are a bit taller than my XR4. Edge knob feel sturdy and you can tell the difference between the stickier compound vs the center knobs.

    Weight This thing is pretty hefty, on the package it says 945g, my scale said 10g heavier at 955g. However, the sidewall seems sturdy and I don't think it will need to be bogged down with a gallon of sealant. I put 2oz of orange seal in and it's held air well for the past couple hours with zero seepage.

    Overall for $35 I'm pretty impressed with the quality of the Pisgah. I'm not looking forward to pedaling it up the highway tomorrow but it looks like it will be pretty fun on the way down. The Wilson's Creek trails I'm riding tomorrow should be a good test with rocks, soft soil, and wet roots so I'll try to provide a ride report in a bit.Click image for larger version. 

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    updates on the ride with the new pisgah 2

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    updates on the ride with the new pisgah 2
    Tested this tire with a few shuttle runs and then a decent length climb up sinkhole trail. I think I gave it a pretty good shakedown in all conditions, wet and dry roots, loose rock, damp and dry clay and soil.

    Honestly it pretty much performed as I expected. Lateral grip was predictable, definitely has a higher limit than the XR4 that I had previously, also seemingly higher than the Hans Dampf I had before that but to be honest it's been a while. Pretty predictable transition from center to edge knobs. Sidewall is fairly stiff and I was comfortable running a little over 20psi on some rough trail. No noticeable roll under hard cornering even at that pressure under my nearly 200lb weight.

    Braking performance was excellent in the dry to damp Western Carolina soil and clay even with the aggressive ramping. Braking is probably the greatest strength of the tire. Tested it in steep and rocky conditions and overall the grip was really good. There wasn't a ton of mud but it didn't get gummed up at all. Large casing provided really good float.

    On the downside, you can definitely feel the mass of this thing, it's 955g and feels like it. Roling resistance doesn't seem all that bad but it definitely wouldn't be my first choice for a long fireroad climb, you can feel the "hum" on harder surfaces.

    Overall I think this tire is a good all rounder leaning toward the gravity side of things. Comparable in grip to a Hans Dampf and definitely grippier than the XR4. Slow roll is bearable but combined with the weight, this beast is a bit of a challenge to keep up to speed on long climbs. If it had modern lightweight casting tech like Exo or snakeskin and they could drop the weight down to 850g or so it'd be excellent but then again, it'd probably cost more than $34.99.

    If you want a bit grippy tire and don't mind the girth I think it's more than worth a shot at $35.

    Sorry for the rambling review, if anyone has specific questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

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    Im 185lb. Been 185-220 for quite some time. Ive never gone lower than 25psi on a front tire. I was about 200 when I got the original pisgah, and ended up having to run 19-20psi! Its still firmer riding than anything else ive used at 25psi. I think I could drop the pressure some more, but im sketched out seeing the gauge read 20psi as-is. I ran it tubeless too, and it snapped in place and sealed up better than my spec tubeless tires.

    If the new one is even thicker, id try running some weird low pressures. Mine felt pretty cheap at 25psi, but at 20psi its really pretty great. Kinda just disappears under you and you forget it there. Does everything well, but nothing amazing.

    Im reluctant to recommend it because there is better tires out there. Im reluctant to knock it either because it really is very good all around. Asking for much more almost seems picky. Im certainly guilty of changing parts because they might be just a tiny bit better though.

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    Me: 190 lbs, 210 with a pack. 6' 2".

    I'm fairly new to tubeless, being intimidated at first. But after a few false starts and having to run to the nearest LBS (Performance) for stuff I needed a couple times, I've finally gotten the hang of it. A while back I got a Niner RIP 9 through Jensen, and while it didn't have tubeless-ready rims, I knew I wanted tubeless. I also wanted the same tires I had on the old rims, Maxxis Ardents. I loved the way those things handled, so when I got a pair of tubeless Specialized Roval carbon rims, I opted to get a set of Ardents to go with them. All was fine, the Ardents booted up just fine and worked great with Stan's. But, I was to learn that my riding area (Hogan Lake, Calaveras County, NorCal) was too hard on tires. I soon slashed a sidewall, and after looking at both tires, I saw that even though there was plenty of tread left, the threads on the sidewalls were starting to show through. I'm guessing these tires had less than 150 miles on them, so as you may guess, I was pretty disappointed. Goodbye Ardents!

    I then grabbed a fairly new Spec Eskar 2 Bliss Control tire I had (29x2.3) and threw that on the front. At Performance, I had gotten a Kenda Nevegal Pro 2.2 and have been running that for the last couple of rides on the rear. Great performance. They're heavy, but the sidewalls seem sturdy, and I like the way they handle (I've had lots of them on previous bikes). Plus, Performance carries them and the price is reasonable. Yesterday on a ride at Hogan, I slashed the sidewall of the Eskar. Dammit! This is getting expensive!

    So today I go to Performance to see what tires they have that will work for the front. I eyed another Nevegal, but was unsure how this might work on the front. I looked around a little and saw they had their house-brand Forte Pisgah 2 29x2.35 on sale, with an additional 15% taken off, bringing the price down to $24. I hefted it, and it felt about as heavy as the Nevegal, plus the sidewalls seem to be fairly substantial. I'm not too concerned about the weight, as my current rides are rocky, with not a lot of high-speed sections. SOLD.

    Brought it home, it mounted up with a floor pump, no problem, and it's ready to ride. I got online, did a search, found this thread, and it seems that it a pretty damn good value. I can't wait to try it!

    Part II coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Part II coming soon.
    How is/was Part II? These tubeless ready 29x2.35 Pisgah's look great for the price.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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