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    The new ENVE nipples as OZZy has stated are not your typical brass. They are void of any sort of coating and are trimmed down quite a bit. When it comes to weight I have not weight them next to a traditional alloy but do know that 10 of the brass vs the same quantity of the old Al hex and the brass are heavier.

    I have also contacted ENVE to rule the question out "can i just use a DT hidden?" They did not give a straight yes or no. They did say that the new brass were designed to be used in ENVE nipple beds, old and new.
    Then went ahead and measured head size of DT hidden vs ENVE brass and the enve nipple head is roughly 1mm smaller in circumference.

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Size:  32.6 KBI found this thread after starting to true a rear wheel and discovering corroded nipples in my 5 month old XC wheel. They were not as bad as those pictured in this thread, but definitely producing lots of oxide. The most corroded nipples were near the tape overlap (stans?), and the wheelset has been in the NW east side of the cascades....I called Enve and they said, send em back for R&R. I then opened the front and found brass nipples. So these were built during the crossover. The front nipples look pristene. What this says to me is Enve recognized and will work the problem, Stans is suspect with the Al nipples, and the brass nipples from the same period exposure look great.
    One happy camper (after the fix)! Great wheels as those who have ridden them know, and Enve is so good to work with.

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    My new Enve rims just arrived today, and here's what I found inside the box:

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    Looks like Enve has swapped over to brass nipples.

    I have a set of Enve carbon road wheels, and I have ridden them for almost 2 years now. A few months back I busted a spoke (it broke near the J bend). When I pulled out the broken spoke, the Pillar aluminum nipple was in perfect shape. This leads me to think that the tire sealant may be one of the catalysts to the aluminum nipples corroding.

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    Same nipples that I have now fitted.

    If you read back... I have suspected sealant all along as being part of the issue, it also doesnt help that those Pillar nipples are just sh1t from the start.
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    56 of the new ENVE brass nipples weighed 33 grams on my scale. 56 of the old Pillar aluminum nipples they used weighed 22 grams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frannek View Post
    56 of the new ENVE brass nipples weighed 33 grams on my scale. 56 of the old Pillar aluminum nipples they used weighed 22 grams.
    5g per wheel !

    Nearly a year since i started this thread, the new nipples are 100%.
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    I just got my new spokes, now I can build up my carbon rims (no rim bed holes, so sealant shouldn't be anywhere near the nipples) with brass nipples. Gonna be ridding them in the winter too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I just got my new spokes, now I can build up my carbon rims (no rim bed holes, so sealant shouldn't be anywhere near the nipples) with brass nipples. Gonna be ridding them in the winter too.
    what rims are those?
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    Has anyone used something besides Gorilla tape to seal their Enve rims? Bontrager rim strips or something else?
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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    what rims are those?
    Oh, the LB 26" 30mm wide DH ones. Sorry I should have mentioned.
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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    Oh, the LB 26" 30mm wide DH ones. Sorry I should have mentioned.
    How are you building them with no rim bed holes?
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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    By inserting nipples trough the valve hole and fishing them out using a derailleur cable. Slow and miserable, but kinda cool not to have to worry with rim strip and sealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Has anyone used something besides Gorilla tape to seal their Enve rims? Bontrager rim strips or something else?
    I used Stan's yellow tape - 25mm. Installed a tire and tube after taping for a day to set the tape glue. Been good so far after 1 1/2 years, however the Aluminum Pillar nipples I received were red anodized which appears to be different from Ozzy's and others silver non anodized nipples?

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    By inserting nipples trough the valve hole and fishing them out using a derailleur cable. Slow and miserable, but kinda cool not to have to worry with rim strip and sealing.
    Interesting idea… Post up how it goes. The holes on my rims have been were very small and thick.
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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Interesting idea… Post up how it goes. The holes on my rims have been were very small and thick.
    I plan on running diy 2.1" studded tires not ust, and using the WSS homebrew sealant formula (Slime+latex+anti-freeze) to seal the tire and bead. So if I don't have to mess up with sealing the rim on top of all the other things that can go wrong, it's worth the extra pain for the nipples install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I plan on running diy 2.1" studded tires not ust, and using the WSS homebrew sealant formula (Slime+latex+anti-freeze) to seal the tire and bead. So if I don't have to mess up with sealing the rim on top of all the other things that can go wrong, it's worth the extra pain for the nipples install.
    Brilliant idea for the environment.

    Using antifreeze (which has fairly strict recycling requirements) in a tubeless system which when (not if, but when) it lets go will pi$$ the stuff all over the trails.

    Brilliant.

    Did I mention it is a great plan?



    *and this isnt an attack at you David - just shocked (and slightly disappointed) that this is a commonly used solution.

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    Re: ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Brilliant idea for the environment.

    Using antifreeze (which has fairly strict recycling requirements) in a tubeless system which when (not if, but when) it lets go will pi$$ the stuff all over the trails.

    Brilliant.

    Did I mention it is a great plan?



    *and this isnt an attack at you David - just shocked (and slightly disappointed) that this is a commonly used solution.
    They are using a different kind of antifreeze than what you are thinking of. It's not the antifreeze that goes in the engine. It is RV antifreeze that is used to flush and winterize RV water/plumbing/fridge lines in the winter. It is propylene glycol, not ethylene glycol. Not poisonous (will just give you the runs if you ingest too much of it).

    :thumbup:

    Edit: just to add, PG is the same ingredient already in slime and/or Stan's, btw, which is how it has come to use in the homebrew sealant world as well..

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    ^^yup.



    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Brilliant idea for the environment.

    Using antifreeze (which has fairly strict recycling requirements) in a tubeless system which when (not if, but when) it lets go will pi$$ the stuff all over the trails.

    Brilliant.

    Did I mention it is a great plan?



    *and this isnt an attack at you David - just shocked (and slightly disappointed) that this is a commonly used solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post





    At least I ride a bike ?

    At least I live in a part of Canada that doesnt need antifreeze to work ;-)

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    At least I live in a part of Canada that doesnt need antifreeze to work ;-)
    At least we have maple sirup ?
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    At least we have maple sirup ?
    mmmmm pancakes

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Damn, and all these years I was watering my plants with antifreeze in the winter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Interesting idea… Post up how it goes. The holes on my rims have been were very small and thick.
    I was the first to build up LB DH rims and I did it without rim bed holes using the method described above. Times consuming but not hard and it's nice to not need tape. They've been working fine on my V10 since August. 1600g for the wheelset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    By inserting nipples trough the valve hole and fishing them out using a derailleur cable. Slow and miserable, but kinda cool not to have to worry with rim strip and sealing.
    Now THAT is hardcore.
    Kinda like the gynaecologist who got 120% when he attended a course on how to service your own car. He serviced it through the exhaust.

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Lol ^^
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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Anyway, 006_007 you'll be pleased to learn that I just finished installing all the 32 nipples on the front rim after 1.5 hours. All 12mm brass in electroplated black and gold, with lube on the nipples head.

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    Then later I was up till midnight lacing the wheel. Now I have to do the rear one.

    Oh, and that I had pancakes for breakfast.
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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Well rear wheel is done too.

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    These are hookless, right?

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Only took an hour and a half per wheel? That is pretty cool. Any pics of how you actually did it?

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by AKamp View Post
    Only took an hour and a half per wheel? That is pretty cool. Any pics of how you actually did it?
    Well to be honest it was more like 6 hours total for both wheels to install the nipples, then lace them up.

    You can't really take pictures of how-to, but it's easy to explain. Just take a long derailleur cable with both ends cut clean, then solder the tips so they don't fray. Next you need cable crimps that you will cut open so you can slide them onto the cable and crimp them on and off later. Then you insert the cable trough the farthest spoke hole and push it in till you can see it by the valve hole. Proceed to grab the tip of the cable with needle nose pliers and pull it out off the rim by the valve hole. Pull enough cable so you can slide in a nipple and a crimp and pull everything back to seat the nipple in the hole, making sure the cable will be long enough not to be pulled back into the rim. Next tie a rubber-band around the nipple to prevent it from falling back into the rim. Then pull back the cable till the crimp comes out and remove the crimp by pinching it the opposite way you first pinched it. Then pull the cable back out from the nipple and start over again with the following farthest hole, etc. Also I put some lube on the nipple head before pulling it into the rim so it would lube the nipple seat on the rim. Use silicone or teflon lube on the cable if it doesn't slide easily.

    It's just painful when you're doing it all over again for the third time because of bad spoke lenghts and other planning issues. But this time it's for good. Tires, rotors and cassette are mounted, nect step is to ride to the bike coop where I'll have the pro Park trying stand and the tension meter so I can bring them up to high tension and perfectly round and straight.

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    These are hookless, right?
    Nope, they are the 30mm wide by 33mm deep 26" DH rims from LB. They are UST compatible and have a nice profile, but aren't hookless. They were originally intended to be hookless, but many people told LB they wanted clincher rims afterward. I wish they would have kept going with the hookless design though.
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    David, thank you for clarification. But why did you want them hookless? What are the advantages vs hooked besides easier manufacturing?

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

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    David, thank you for clarification. But why did you want them hookless? What are the advantages vs hooked besides easier manufacturing?
    2 main advantages, first is stronger sidewalls and easier/cheaper to manufacture (big deal in carbon tech) and second is the possibility of higher sidewalls to prevent burping even more and easier to seat the tire tubeless.

    But stronger rims are the real deal with hookless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    Anyway, 006_007 you'll be pleased to learn that I just finished installing all the 32 nipples on the front rim after 1.5 hours. All 12mm brass in electroplated black and gold, with lube on the nipples head.

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    Then later I was up till midnight lacing the wheel. Now I have to do the rear one.

    Oh, and that I had pancakes for breakfast.

    Ok, but I was never concerned about how you installed your nipples (nor did I learn anything from it)

    Looks good - hope you have the right size spokes this time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Ok, but I was never concerned about how you installed your nipples (nor did I learn anything from it)

    Looks good - hope you have the right size spokes this time!
    Thanks. While we're at it, let's keep it on the corrosion topic. I also switched all my bolts and nuts to stainless, as well as my cables and spokes are stainless too. I'm gonna hit the snow trails with this bike in a few weeks once it's packed down.
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    agreed.

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    FYI, just weighted the difference between 32 pillar internal brass nipples and 32 DT external aluminium nipples and it is 8.1g...

    I can live with the extra weight

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    Is that the rattle sound?

    This is my bike... a 2013 F29 Ultimate. The noise is getting louder and louder...

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    Already checked... and thetre's nothing to do with the tire or sealant.
    The sound comes from inside the rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduluke View Post
    Is that the rattle sound?

    This is my bike... a 2013 F29 Ultimate. The noise is getting louder and louder...

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    Already checked... and thetre's nothing to do with the tire or sealant.
    The sound comes from inside the rim.
    That's what mine sounded like with the nipple corrosion issue, however, when I removed the rim strip in addition to corroded nipples I also found little balls / clumps of hardened spoke prep compound rolling around inside which I believe was also causing some of the noise (like ball bearings rolling around inside the rim). Easy enough to check. Pull up the rim strip and look at each nipple with a bright flashlight. It will be quite apparent if you have a nipple corrosion issue.

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    I have the same problem.

    (sorry about my english)

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    ENVE solves the problem under warranty???

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    Sadly my Enve's suffered the same corrosion. Thankfully my LBS is awesome and taking care of it for me. I believe this is covered under Enve warranty.
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    Enve was high on my carbon wheel list. But when I found out about their internal nipple design - the made in USA and "bulletproof" moniker soon became insignificant....having imagined a ride-defeating, trailside wheel straightening session, with tape, tire, tools and sealant all on the side of the trail. No bueno....
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    dang i just snapped a nipple.
    there goes todays ride...bummer
    probably better i catch it now i guess?
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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    trailside wheel straightening session
    How many times have you or anyone you know done this?

    It's not unusual to break a spoke in a wheel like an ENVE and not even know it or wrap up the spoke and ride out without issue.

    A spoke wrench isn't going to get you what you need on a disc wheel that is so out of true it is unrideable.
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    The issue with the corrosion problem is that all the nipples are damaged badly, the stump of nipple that's left is severely compromised. The nipple giving way is because there is nothing left of it and it pulls through the spoke hole, at this stage there is probably half a dozen others with 10% left holding.

    I had a rim fracture when un-sewing one of my wheels, took off the first few nipples and there was too much tension on the next few compromised nipples, they pulled through and fractured the rim.

    I have had zero issues since ENVE fixed me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post
    The issue with the corrosion problem is that all the nipples are damaged badly, the stump of nipple that's left is severely compromised. The nipple giving way is because there is nothing left of it and it pulls through the spoke hole, at this stage there is probably half a dozen others with 10% left holding.

    I had a rim fracture when un-sewing one of my wheels, took off the first few nipples and there was too much tension on the next few compromised nipples, they pulled through and fractured the rim.

    I have had zero issues since ENVE fixed me up.
    Each spoke should be detensioned little by little.

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    All well and good when you can actually get the nipples off, mine were so badly corroded that the spokes needed to be cut or the nipples needed to be taken right off to de-tension the other side to allow the nipples to be removed using pointy nosed pliers.

    Both wheels were a big mess.
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    I'm rebuilding a wheel set that has carbon rims (Reynolds) and internal alloy nipples (Pillar). The rear wheel nipples were corroded to nearly nothing, and I needed to use needle nose pliers to remove the nipples. The front wheel nipples are in fine condition, with no corrosion evident.
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    Brass muddafukkas, brass! I have chrome plated brass nipples on my powder coated alu rims even. Brass is the answer. And 3al2,5v corrosion enhanced titanium is the second answer, and cobalt/chromium based superalloys is the final and ultimate answer to this. Costing about 1000-5000 times as much.
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    I now own 6 sets of carbon wheels (only 1 set of ENVE, the rest are Chinese Carbon) ... 2 mtb, 1 CX and 3 fatbike sets. All of them built with brass nipples, would never build another set of carbon wheels with alloy nips.

    Galvanic corrosion accelerated by stans leaking in or water getting into the nipple chamber... or whatever causes this issue, not worth the weight weenie 20-30g going alloy over brass. Far stronger wheels and will give you some piece of mind that you are not riding a set of ticking time bombs.
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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    The set I build a year ago and rode several times this winter deep in snow is holding great ! No problem with the brass nipples nor with the undrilled rim bed, if it's only that the plug they glued to patch the hole from the bladder when molding the rim got pushed in the rim cavity on both rims when I installed tubes at 50psi to do a city bike event this June. Looks like the tube pushed the plugs hard enough to fail (no rim tape), but I never had a problem before because I ran tubeless from the beginning when I built them. I'm glad that I used brass and have total peace of mind for ridding year long
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    I have enve 26DH rims. Had no issues 1st season with the rim, but started having corrosion issues 2nd season. Switched to Pillar brass internal nipples.

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.-image.jpg
    Can anyone tell me what this is? I only just noticed it today on my M60's. The wheels are only a week old. They are true. And the surface is smooth not scratched at all.

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    Nothing to worry about, its mould(UK)/mold(US) marks from the lay up or something. There's a few threads on here about the white looking mark up the spline of ENVE wheels, mine are like that from 3 1/2 years ago and still going strong.

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    anyone know how to date my enve all mountain rims?
    besides flowers and chocolates?
    they have serial #s in rims but i cant make sense of them.
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    Got my Enve AM wheels back today. They changed the nipples under warranty thanks to my LBS. Question is, what have they put on them now? The wheels came back already taped up so I couldn't see, but I'm guessing (hoping) they haven't put alloy nipples back in.
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    Lightweight brass nipples... google "enve brass nipples" or look back through this thread.
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    This is a very common problem I've certainly had it confirmed by a few bike shops and I have friends riding the wheels and all have experienced corrosion. As mentioned in the responses the wheels need to be inspected every 6 months and most probably a few nipples will need replacing. I think there might be a reaction with the Stans and the nipple. Wonder if Enve has an official statement?

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    Had 1 spoke pull thru nipple. Found this thread. Enve rebuilt my wheels under warranty with brass nipples. Going to use Orange Seal instead of Stans. Suppose to be less corrosive and made in Tx.

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    Wonder if Enve has an official statement?
    My guess is they want to take care of everyone as quietly as possible. The incredible premiums paid for their wheels don't allow for much risk in the mind of the consumer.
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    First rule of Enve nipple corrosion: you do not talk about Enve nipple corrosion.
    Second rule of Enve nipple corrosion: you do not talk about Enve nipple corrosion.
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    Can anyone tell me what this is? I only just noticed it today on my M60's. The wheels are only a week old. They are true. And the surface is smooth not scratched at all.
    I have exactly the same thing on the same location on my Enve M50's - one ride, followed by a hand wash. Same thing happened with my Reynolds 29'er carbons : when contacting Reynolds, they told me they didn't apply clearcoat on their rims. The surface is porous, which means dirt can enter - resulting in this 'haze'. It won't affect performance though, but sucks big time when you sell a kidney to get Enve's.

    Perhaps we should send Enve a mail ?

    After riding Specialized Roval SL's 2014 since spring this year, I found the M50's harsh, less dynamic, less comfortable (filtering trail shatter), and way stiffer (perhaps a little too stiff). They 'higher' rims have a lot to do with that. Weight wise, without rim tape and valves : Roval SL's are 1344g, Enve M50 1512g (with DT Swiss 240S RS-1 28H straight pull front hub and 240S 28H straigh pull rear, Sapim Race / Laser spokes and alu Pillar nipples).
    They Rovals are so amazing that I don't know if I would get the Enve M50's again.

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    guess not!
    had to take em to the shop and re-lace them.
    they looked purdy bad and started failing.
    350$ out of pocket..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow View Post
    I have exactly the same thing on the same location on my Enve M50's - one ride, followed by a hand wash. Same thing happened with my Reynolds 29'er carbons : when contacting Reynolds, they told me they didn't apply clearcoat on their rims. The surface is porous, which means dirt can enter - resulting in this 'haze'. It won't affect performance though, but sucks big time when you sell a kidney to get Enve's.

    Perhaps we should send Enve a mail ?

    After riding Specialized Roval SL's 2014 since spring this year, I found the M50's harsh, less dynamic, less comfortable (filtering trail shatter), and way stiffer (perhaps a little too stiff). They 'higher' rims have a lot to do with that. Weight wise, without rim tape and valves : Roval SL's are 1344g, Enve M50 1512g (with DT Swiss 240S RS-1 28H straight pull front hub and 240S 28H straigh pull rear, Sapim Race / Laser spokes and alu Pillar nipples).
    They Rovals are so amazing that I don't know if I would get the Enve M50's again.
    I don't see jack sh1t in that pic. I see a one way carbon layer and light reflecting on it creating a "white" band at the closest part of the radius.

    No need to clear coat carbon, its impregnated in epoxy or other hybrid plastic matrix from the start. The clear coat only protects the epoxy from yellowing but not all epoxys turns yellow or degrade from uv light exposure.

    The only haze I see in that pic is the carbon itself and the light reflecting on it. it seems to be very fine/thin filament carbon and thats why it doesn't look like a mirror like polished metal does, but that haze look is how its supposed to look imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    I see a one way carbon layer and light reflecting on it creating a "white" band at the closest part of the radius.
    That is not light reflecting, but dirt that entered the carbon surface, next to the spokes - resulting in a "white" band. Due to this, my Reynolds wheels looked after 5 rides like they were trashed for over a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow View Post
    That is not light reflecting, but dirt that entered the carbon surface, next to the spokes - resulting in a "white" band. Due to this, my Reynolds wheels looked after 5 rides like they were trashed for over a year.
    White dirt, eh? U live in southern New Mexico, I s'pose?
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    We have a smartass

    Can also be dried soap, tire sealant, etc.

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    Can also be dried soap, tire sealant, etc.
    You're all wrong. It's obviously jizz. Someone saw those desirable Enve rims and just got a little overexcited is all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    You're all wrong. It's obviously jizz. Someone saw those desirable Enve rims and just got a little overexcited is all...
    Now I must clean coffee off my screen.

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    Don't run jizz as sealant people!!
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    Imo the phenomenon looks optical/surface dependant. just look how it disappears around the spoke holes where the tension is high, the light gets reflected somewhere else. This is quite similar to how they test optical surfaces for curvature, flatness, surface qual, focal length, how sphericial (or parabolical/hyperbolical) they are, max realistic resolution and so on, These are often quoted in like 1/4 or 1/8 wavelength (thats nanometers) out of spec compared to the theoretically perfect ones. And all this is visible in pics or with your eyes.
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    As mentioned a squillion times in this thread. The nipples that fail are "pillar" branded alu nipples, these are non anodized or coated, so wide open to corrosion of any type.
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    While I didn't read all squillion posts, I was just pointing out possible problems, many of which had already been suggested, and possible solutions. Apparently you have it all figured out because the nipples aren't anodized. I'll retract my post since it obviously bothers you. Good luck with your wheels.

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    I'm not upset, its doesn't bother me at all. I took the time to answer your question and simply pointed out that if you had "bothered" to read the first few post of this topic it would have saved you asking the question in the first place.

    My issues was nearly 2 years ago going on the date when I started this topic, wheels have been 100% since going brass ENVE nipples.

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    I did read the first page and it was not mentioned there. But you're right, I didn't bother to read the next ten pages and skipped to the last.

    Regardless, I realize the nipples being aluminum is a problem. And not being anodized just makes it worse. But being aluminum is not the 'why', which is what I was attempting to discuss. And it looks like people are still having problems so it doesn't sound like it has been fixed or even addressed? Maybe this is wrong and it has been fixed on new wheels?

    Obviously the easiest solution is replacing with brass nipples which is what you did. But an expensive high end wheelset shouldn't need that and it's adding weight you didn't sign up for when dropping a bunch of coin.

    But it sounds like people have addressed the problem enough and my input isn't going to change anything when the change needs to come from the company. So I was beating a dead horse which doesn't help anything.

    No hard feelings and I hope your wheels are working great now that you have the bugs worked out.

    I will keep searching for the answer to one of my questions, of ammonia in home brew tire sealant attacking aluminum rims, elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaMtnBkr View Post
    And it looks like people are still having problems so it doesn't sound like it has been fixed or even addressed? Maybe this is wrong and it has been fixed on new wheels?

    Obviously the easiest solution is replacing with brass nipples which is what you did. But an expensive high end wheelset shouldn't need that
    My issues raised its head really quickly, my wheels were less than a year old and popping spokes. ENVE addressed the issue immediately and sent me replacement nipples (to me) as I build my own wheels and I trust my build better than anyone else I know (cost wise too), I rebuilt my wheels and they have been 100% ever since.

    BTW ENVE have now built all wheels with their lightweight brass nipples, any issues arising lately and in the future are old build wheels just starting to have issues.

    It's no rocket science, ENVE are at the pinnacle of wheel innovation , you have to push a new product... you can only do so much testing, who would have known they would have had immediate issues in dry climates and slowly shown issues in more damp environments.

    They have looked after anyone who has had a problem, so that's a definite win for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx View Post

    ENVE are at the pinnacle of wheel innovation ,
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
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    Bonz'e... 5 years ago there were only a few who made carbon MTB rims, ENVE were up there with Reynolds, Easton... ect there is no doubt they done their bit to get carbon MTB wheels on the map.
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    ENVE's fail with alloy nipples has made the choices with Chi carbon rims easier, once bitten, twice shy... ENVE's fail has paved the way.
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    I don't know what credibility reynolds and easton has, if any at all, regarding wheels. I buy my rims from Mavic and DT, they at least know what they're doing.

    These (enve) wheels are obviously **** wheels that will fail.
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    I don't know what credibility reynolds and easton has, if any at all, regarding wheels. I buy my rims from Mavic and DT, they at least know what they're doing.

    These (enve) wheels are obviously **** wheels that will fail.
    This is an obviously stupid post.
    That is all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    I don't know what credibility reynolds and easton has, if any at all, regarding wheels. I buy my rims from Mavic and DT, they at least know what they're doing.

    These (enve) wheels are obviously **** wheels that will fail.
    Not true. My nipples went bad and I break a spoke about every three months but they are by far the best wheels I've had. I have a set of LB wheels that were just built. So far, so good. I'm partial to the ENVEs because of my history with them.


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    Wow, that sure doesn't sound like a case FOR Enve wheels?! That sounds like a terrible track record. I don't remember a spoke breaking except on a junk high dollar wheelset that kept having issues (rim cracking was big problem) and that I eventually tossed and built a reliable set I still have.

    How are your wheels not "**** wheels that will fail"? Just curious cause they must make up for those downfalls in some way for you to still like them so much. Or did I completely miss sarcasm?

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    ENVE wheel nipple corrosion.

    I weigh 250lbs, built like a linebacker, ride a 29er, broken several frames, and I love east coast rock gardens. Yes, they are more durable than the Mikesee wheelset I had. No fault against him, it was the components. I break spokes on all my wheels with the ENVEs having less frequency of breakage.


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    IMO you got the wrong tool for the job!! get the strongest spokes you can get. Breaking spokes is totally unacceptable to me at least. I know DT has some really beefy ones. alpine or something. Don't fool yourself with this ww crap. But since you have been a member here since 2004 I'm sure you already know this.
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    IMO you got the wrong tool for the job!! get the strongest spokes you can get. Breaking spokes is totally unacceptable to me at least. I know DT has some really beefy ones. alpine or something. Don't fool yourself with this ww crap. But since you have been a member here since 2004 I'm sure you already know this.
    Preaching to the choir. Alpine IIIs on my rigid SS. I was so pissed. I may have to go to different drive side spokes on the ENVEs but the Aerolites are breaking at the nipple.


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    What spokes are you running now?? I would go alpine all over and be done with it. Or even titanium if it still wouldn't hold up. 6al4v that is. its a lot better than all stainless **** imo. not thinking of spokes specifically though. but yeah 6al4v is practically unbreakable in most conditions. and I pretty much break stuff for a living.
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    Alpine III/36h Flows/Phil Woods on my rigid SS. The spokes on the SS break mostly at the nipple and the occasionally the middle. The Aerolites break at the nipple and I was under the impression since the spoke is thick there (2.0 I believe) and the Aerolites are way strong, going slightly larger at the nipple with Alpine IIIs may not be of benefit. I could work on my skills.......

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