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    Easton Havoc AM...any way to convert rear hub to 10mm thru axle?

    I am really wanting to stiffen up the rear end on my bike, and I would love to get a nice thru axle on the hind end of my Heckler. Unfortunately the rear wheel is not as cool/adjustable as the front wheel (which can run QR, 20mm, or 15mm), so I am stuck looking for a better/stiffer quick release, which frankly doesn't really exist.

    The DT hubs with 10mm options are sweet, and I was thinking I could pull something similar off. Has anyone drilled or done anything crazy to their rear hubs to fit a 10mm axle? Is this completely insane or even possible?

    Just putting thoughts down, as foolish as they may sound.
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    After doing some serious searching I found a few posts talking about Easton offering a conversion kit. I have found no info on the website, but I shot them an email to see what they say.

    Hopefully they offer the kit, because I really don't feel like drilling things. I will keep everyone updated with the availability of this kit (I think it also comes with new bearings, which is sweet since mine are getting close to being shot).
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    Easton offers a bolt on 10 mm conversion with a new axle and bearings, I think more than $80. Call them, good luck if you leave a message:

    800-347-3901 Wheel Division

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack'sDad
    Easton offers a bolt on 10 mm conversion with a new axle and bearings, I think more than $80. Call them, good luck if you leave a message:

    800-347-3901 Wheel Division
    $80! That seams insanely high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0bailey
    $80! That seams insanely high.
    haha I wish it was $80. Here what they told me when I asked them the price
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    Yes, a 10mm bolt on kit will run you about $110, which you can purchase
    from us directly at
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    $110!!! that's 25% of the total wheelset price!

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    The kit does come with a new bearing set, and a set of bearing drift tools. And it makes a huge difference in swingarm sturdiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    The kit does come with a new bearing set, and a set of bearing drift tools. And it makes a huge difference in swingarm sturdiness.
    it doesn't work with old bearings?

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    The new axle is huge, it may be that it is stepped differently, I don't recall now. They might have just included new bearings to make sure that you don't have to worry about damaging a bearing while you're driving out the old axle and bearings. I have the bolt on axle conversion on my Havocs and it made a huge difference.

    Although it's not a 10mm thru axle, it's a bolt on axle kit that happens to use 10mm bolts.
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    Thanks, rockyuphill, very helpful. However, $110 is so steep, I try asking easton if getting only the axle and bolts is possible.

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    They do sell a kit for $74 that doesn't include the tool.

    To those of you who performed this conversion, did you use the tool or need the tool, or did you just slowly tap them in using a socket or something similar? I am wondering if it is worth it to grab the tool?
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    Here's a shot of the bearing drifts they include.
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    Just to ask, is it possible to use a dt swiss thru bolt with this set up? Also did anyone try going it without the tools? how difficult did you find it if you did?

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    Slightly off topic.... how many engagement points does the havoc hub have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalrider46
    Just to ask, is it possible to use a dt swiss thru bolt with this set up? Also did anyone try going it without the tools? how difficult did you find it if you did?
    Looking at the pics no. The axle is threaded and two bolts attach either end.
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    will someone sell, rent or loan these tools to me

    Hi Folks,
    I picked up a set of havocs and want to do the bolt on axle thing
    If someone is no longer using these tools and wants to get back some of the cost, i'd be willing to buy, rent or loan them from you
    I can paypal in a hearbeat
    I'm going to order the axle parts soon
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    just ordered the parts from Easton

    I'm downgrading from mavic 729 on rear bolt thru 135m Hadley rear on a blindside
    Hope the hub is still enough and rim is wide enough as the single ply irc kevlar 2.5 trailbears have a tendency for the bead to slip off narrower rims even at high pressure (d521)

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    Hi all,

    Yes all of the parts; axle assembly, drifts, and bearings are available separately. We offer them in a kit at a discount because hammering the bearings out of the hub dents the races and will make them feel rough and create drag when the hub is reassembled with the used bearings and new axle.
    Bearing drift tools are necessary l for this hub because the driveside bearing is a press fit into the hubshell and a press fit on to the axle.
    In order to install this bearing and preload the hub properly these press fits must be done simultaneously. This means that both races of the driveside bearing and both races of the non-drive bearing need to be supported all at the same time.

    I should mention that the drift kit also includes the tools necessary to press new bearings into the front hub.

    Our testing shows that the bolt-on axle kit is roughly 40% stiffer than the quick release version but I am very interested to hear your experiences with this upgrade.

    Also the 800 number has been inactive for some time now, our phone number is 877-835-6629.

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    Easton Wheel service...question: the bearings in my Havoc freehub are shot. Do i have to buy a new freehub or can the bearings be replaced alone? I replaced the other two bearings in the rear hub but the freehub should be done also. Is there a kit for that too?

    Thanks (sorry fro jacking this thread)

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    pretty sure the freehub bearings can be replaced as well. There is a pictorial guide somewhere on MTBR that I found through a google search.

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    Awesome..found it...thanks thorhild.

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    Easton Havoc 135 x 10mm

    I am currently running the Havocs as my XC wheelset and running a set of Hopes (135 x 10) with the DT Swiss 10mm RWS, as my AM wheelset.

    The only problem is that my Hope wheelset is on 25mm rims that when using a 2.35 or 2.4 front tire seems to squirm around a little. So I was thinking the Havocs with the 28mm wied rims might be better for running the wider tires, but I am not too fond of running the little QR and bombing down some of the trails.

    I saw the comversion earlier in the thread to a 10mm bolt on, but is there a 10mm thru axle version as well?

    thx

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    Anybody have a link to the service guide that Easton for some reason removed? Here's the link to SBA's blog on the freehub service Gunnar-man found for those looking: http://forums.mtbr.com/blog.php?do=s...&e=2738&enum=2
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    good wheels ,esp when the bolt on is rockin
    but I just flatspotted a rear on a jump case w high pressure (like 60) and didn't even blow the single wall 2.5 tire and thin tube
    may have smashed anything but a mavic 729, but big difference

    also have to grab and mar the straight pull spokes with pliers when tensioning sometimes, esp if loose

    I'd like to swap the rim out, bmx style, just swapping over the spokes with the rim ziptied next to it
    need to look into how much replacement rims are, unless the easton peeps can answer first

    i also pull the kevlar bead of irc trailbears off on this or other "narrow" rimes like d521

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    Anybody know what bearings the 10mm conversion uses? Anybody do the conversion without the drift set? $110 is absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble
    Anybody know what bearings the 10mm conversion uses? Anybody do the conversion without the drift set? $110 is absurd.
    I did it with a couple screwdrivers, a few hammers, and a socket set. No special tools needed.

    It was super sketchy but everything is running perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by y0bailey
    I did it with a couple screwdrivers, a few hammers, and a socket set. No special tools needed.

    It was super sketchy but everything is running perfectly.
    Sounds Good Now to just figure out what bearings they are, then I could just get the axle from Easton and save a s#!t ton of money. Also, did Easton provide written instructions? Everything was pulled from the website.
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    Bearings are size 6902 and 6804 in the Havoc rear hub, this is the same size for both 10x135 QR and 10x135 Bolt on.
    We recommend replacing the bearings when doing this axle conversion because hammering the original bearing out of the hub dents the balls and races. The original bearings could be re-used but they will be very rough.

    At roughly $4 each bearings are not the expensive part and they deserve to be replaced when upgrading the axle.

    Written instructions will ship with the axle, but we can also email them if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easton Wheel Service
    Bearings are size 6902 and 6804 in the Havoc rear hub, this is the same size for both 10x135 QR and 10x135 Bolt on ...

    Regards,
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    Scott, are the only options for the Havoc AM (not the new design) the 10 x 135 QR and 10 x 35 bolt on? Is there anyway to run a 10MM thru axle like the DT Swiss RWS.

    I swap my XC to AM wheels out on my bike quite often and don't want to be constantly messing with bolts.

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    Jeff,

    Yes those are the only two axle compatibility options for the Havoc AM (2008-2010)

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    My wheel is 06 or 07. First generation I believe. Will this kit fit?

    Also I starting to see 15mm thru axle conversion kit for front wheel. Does that kit wotk on 1st generation Havoc front wheel?

    Thanks.
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    Single TrackHound,
    Yes this kit will work with any non-UST Havoc hub with 135mm OLD spacing (this includes your hub.)
    Yes the 15mm QR adapters will work with any non-UST front Havoc AM or Havoc Disc hub.

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    No good 30poe. Just had my rear rim fail at the weld.

    Quote Originally Posted by joehspicer@msn.com
    Slightly off topic.... how many engagement points does the havoc hub have?
    30

    Yes. Three zero. Not 36. It's ok. Better than a stock DT. Not as good as a DT w star ratchet upgrade (to 36pt).

    I would like more pts. I think 48 would be nice. Above that and I see diminishing returns. But 30 is ok. 36 is good but still not quite perfect. Add 33% to that... Yes 48 pt would do it IMO!

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    i'll be selling a set already converted to bolt on rear soon

    very good shape
    they are not jumper wheels, but good for all mtn/xc and light and stronger than most xc wheels imo ( i have a 2nd set on on my pivot)
    the rear bolts on solid
    pm w email and phone me if ur interested (have 20mm and 9mmqr front pcs and 10/135boltrear, no price or pics yet, will be throwing on fleabay once im there
    G

    PS you can call easton or buy replace rims for about $80 at lbs and just swap over the spokes

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    We the people ...

    Quote Originally Posted by gideon
    very good shape
    they are not jumper wheels, but good for all mtn/xc and light and stronger than most xc wheels imo ( i have a 2nd set on on my pivot)
    the rear bolts on solid
    pm w email and phone me if ur interested (have 20mm and 9mmqr front pcs and 10/135boltrear, no price or pics yet, will be throwing on fleabay once im there
    G

    PS you can call easton or buy replace rims for about $80 at lbs and just swap over the spokes
    Thanks for offer and info. I'll see if I can get something from Easton first. That's what I'm hoping for. LBS will rip me off. Truth hurts! Lol.
    Just so as I don't waste your time after such a prompt and kind offer; as this rim cracked, even tho it was prob partly just a one-off bad weld, I've lost confidence in 24h for more than XC. Even then, probably only for flyweights/ladies.

    If I felt the Havoc rim had taken a beating somehow, it all wouldn't bother me. But I have never even had a flat on that rim and I run Panaracer Greenlite tubes. THIN!

    If Easton help me out, I'll post back.

    But if I can't get a new rim from Easton - or if they want me to pay, I can buy better rims for less and rebuild these as 'super-XC' thrashers/beaters. They would look cooler and be lighter, probably stronger w the rims I have in mind.
    Not sure they would get much use though, They might. I as set of DTX1800 as beaters. I could rebuild the Havocs to be about that weight and look pretty cool. But, the DTs are 28h! So if I am rebuilding, I could rebuild THEM and end up with stronger wheels.
    Options. Options.

    Best is if Easton give me a rim. Hopefully they will.
    Def a bad weld. Pos combined with the higher spoke tension on a 24 spoke wheel. I have two sets of 28 spoke DTs (XR posh 1500g XC set and X1800 beaters) that I have ridden much farther and harder w no probs. I'm only 170lb so my fat ass is not an issue either. Lol.

    Can't pass up an op to dis the fat. Why do so many call themselves Clydesdales? A clydesdale is tall, wide and solid muscle. Most people who call themselves Clydesdales are more like Saddlebacks! Lol.
    That is what I am calling them from now on. New category. Saddleback. Tall, wide, lean guys can still be clydes. The rest, saddlebacks.
    Clydesdale is a sterotype anyway. So if we are deliberately stereotyping people, then let's do it right and make it accurate.
    And if we are not going to make it accurate, then why not refer to every fat person as 'international playboy tycoon'? Then instead of them saying "I weigh 350 so I am a Clyde, ...' They can say "I weigh 350 so I am a an international playboy tycoon" then they can really feel good deluding themselves and lying to others! Lol.
    Saddlebacks. Greedy. Greedy at the trough. Greedy at the use of excessively +ve self-stereotypes.
    Aaah. That made me feel better about that rim. Take it out on fat people. Nothing like some scapegoating to go with a nice stereotype. Lol.
    IfI were a saddleback, I would have cracked that rim right away, and got a new one on warranty. But because I ain't fat enough, it only broke the month after the warranty expired! A fat person stole my rim! Rofl.
    Sorry, did I say FAT? I mean a clyde. I mean a SADDLEBACK.
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    And whilst I am ranting complete nonsense, I may as well end on a low. Anyone calling themselves a Clyde should have to wear white shaggy leg-warmers! Or have ribbons in their hair and a 3' dong. I would only qualify on one level. No, not the ribbons.
    Yes, the legwarmers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecogeek
    Thanks for offer and info. I'll see if I can get something from Easton first. That's what I'm hoping for. LBS will rip me off. Truth hurts! Lol.
    Just so as I don't waste your time after such a prompt and kind offer; as this rim cracked, even tho it was prob partly just a one-off bad weld, I've lost confidence in 24h for more than XC. Even then, probably only for flyweights/ladies.

    If I felt the Havoc rim had taken a beating somehow, it all wouldn't bother me. But I have never even had a flat on that rim and I run Panaracer Greenlite tubes. THIN!

    If Easton help me out, I'll post back.

    But if I can't get a new rim from Easton - or if they want me to pay, I can buy better rims for less and rebuild these as 'super-XC' thrashers/beaters. They would look cooler and be lighter, probably stronger w the rims I have in mind.
    Not sure they would get much use though, They might. I as set of DTX1800 as beaters. I could rebuild the Havocs to be about that weight and look pretty cool. But, the DTs are 28h! So if I am rebuilding, I could rebuild THEM and end up with stronger wheels.
    Options. Options.

    Best is if Easton give me a rim. Hopefully they will.
    Def a bad weld. Pos combined with the higher spoke tension on a 24 spoke wheel. I have two sets of 28 spoke DTs (XR posh 1500g XC set and X1800 beaters) that I have ridden much farther and harder w no probs. I'm only 170lb so my fat ass is not an issue either. Lol.

    Can't pass up an op to dis the fat. Why do so many call themselves Clydesdales? A clydesdale is tall, wide and solid muscle. Most people who call themselves Clydesdales are more like Saddlebacks! Lol.
    That is what I am calling them from now on. New category. Saddleback. Tall, wide, lean guys can still be clydes. The rest, saddlebacks.
    Clydesdale is a sterotype anyway. So if we are deliberately stereotyping people, then let's do it right and make it accurate.
    And if we are not going to make it accurate, then why not refer to every fat person as 'international playboy tycoon'? Then instead of them saying "I weigh 350 so I am a Clyde, ...' They can say "I weigh 350 so I am a an international playboy tycoon" then they can really feel good deluding themselves and lying to others! Lol.
    Saddlebacks. Greedy. Greedy at the trough. Greedy at the use of excessively +ve self-stereotypes.
    Aaah. That made me feel better about that rim. Take it out on fat people. Nothing like some scapegoating to go with a nice stereotype. Lol.
    IfI were a saddleback, I would have cracked that rim right away, and got a new one on warranty. But because I ain't fat enough, it only broke the month after the warranty expired! A fat person stole my rim! Rofl.
    Sorry, did I say FAT? I mean a clyde. I mean a SADDLEBACK.
    Clydesdale

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    And whilst I am ranting complete nonsense, I may as well end on a low. Anyone calling themselves a Clyde should have to wear white shaggy leg-warmers! Or have ribbons in their hair and a 3' dong. I would only qualify on one level. No, not the ribbons.
    Yes, the legwarmers.
    Just curious, my rear rim cracked at the weld too, had mine longer than you, but still wonder what Easton's reply was ?

    Easton showed no interest to me....
    "A crack in the rim is possible with long term stress and repeated impacts"

    Seems to me the high spoke tension and only 24 spokes is part of the problem, but main problem a "bad" weld....
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    So if I am right (my english is not so good) the only way to put a DT Swiss DWS thru bolt on my 2011 Havoc with 10mm to 5mmqr endcaps is drilling the endcaps?

    On easton website there is not any 10mm hole endcap to put a DT Swiss DWS or something like that.

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    Anybody knows something about?

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    weight penalty

    So is the 10mm kit much heavier? Anybody know if the Haven and Havoc hubs are the same? I want this setup for my Havens.....

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