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    DHR II WT 2.4 And Magic Mary 2.35

    I can get a good deal on these 2 tires and was thinking of DHR II 2.4 Maxx Terra rear, and Magic Mary 2.35 Trailstar front for PNW riding. My usual source has no DHF 2.5s. Thoughts.
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    Good combo I want it all spring. I am currently running the specialized version of that hillbilly front and 2018 butcher rear. You will have to adjust your braking points because that combo is like dropping a anchor when hitting the binders. Over all one of the best combos I have run in the winter/spring

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    From what I've been reading lately, the new addix soft MM rolls very well. It;s lighter than the the 2.4 DHRII at ~900g in Snakeskin. Worth trying MM on both ends which is my next move.

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    DHRII WT 2.4 in DC is great on the rear. 3C will be more grippy but will roll worse. 3C is great for wet riding though. I recently swapped a DHRII 2.4 for a Nobby Nic 2.6 Speedgrip. I want my DHRII back. If the Magic Mary is as flimsy as this NN I wouldnt put it on the rear.

    I have the e13 TRS Race up front. Paired with the DHRII it's a killer combo. The MM in ultra soft or Trailstar should be similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    I recently swapped a DHRII 2.4 for a Nobby Nic 2.6 Speedgrip. I want my DHRII back. If the Magic Mary is as flimsy as this NN I wouldnt put it on the rear.
    Don't blame you... 2.6 nic is a light plus tire.

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    The MM is a step up, grip-wise, even from the legendary DHF.

    I've run the MM on both trail hikes and the DH rigs. Overkill on the trail hike for sure. On the DH bike, for the truely nasty trails, the Mary is unbeatable. But on the DH bike they die a quick death.

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    I'm just going to echo JCWages, since I can't give him rep without spreading it around and he pretty said everything I wanted to.

    I was initially worried about the lack of synergy in that combo too. The DHR2 is virtually unrivaled in the dry as a high grip fast rolling tire with very likable cornering traits, but Schwalbe tires have sort of a different personality. After thinking about it, I think I'd try that combo too if I were riding in mixed conditions, since I'm not a fan of Schwalbe tires in the rear (at least for dry loose-over-hard). When I tried the new Nobby Nic in the rear, I also found that it had a flimsy casing that held me back. It had the DD casing too...

    JCWages' e13 TRS Race is a grip monster, rolling speed be damned. It seemingly is worth it though, especially if you have bad braking habits. It'd give you the confidence to fix your braking technique, not feeling a need to drag brakes for security.

    Over in dry desert SoCal, I feel absolutely no urge to switch to any other tire, riding 2.3 DHR2 F&R, modded with the square profile cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    e13 TRS Race is a grip monster, rolling speed be damned. It seemingly is worth it though, especially if you have bad braking habits. It'd give you the confidence to fix your braking technique, not feeling a need to drag brakes for security.
    It works well on a sub 27mm iw rim to give it some profile, otherwise it's too square and cornering suffers.

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    I like the cornering of square profile tires. Its their rolling resistance that's the big trade-off.

    Edit: oh wait, you mean the other kind of square profile, where the shoulder knobs are almost engaging while rolling upright... xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    The MM is a step up, grip-wise, even from the legendary DHF.

    I've run the MM on both trail hikes and the DH rigs. Overkill on the trail hike for sure. On the DH bike, for the truely nasty trails, the Mary is unbeatable. But on the DH bike they die a quick death.
    Where do you find it be be better compared to the DHF?
    You think it is a better all rounder than Dhf?

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    Braking for sure, and somewhat better at cornering. Grippier in general. But rolled slower. A trade off.

    On my trail bike I used the Trailstar up front. It was just more tire than I needed. For most riders and trail conditions, the DHF in a 3c up front is likely more than enough. It is extremely rare that I can out ride that tire. So more tire is just lugging around extra grip and drag I don't need.

    Overall, DHF in a 3c up front is the way to go for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    I'm just going to echo JCWages, since I can't give him rep without spreading it around and he pretty said everything I wanted to.
    It's the thought that count. Thanks budy.

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    I have ordered a MM Addix soft for the front. I can't possibly have to much grip in the winter, thanks everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundace View Post
    Where do you find it be be better compared to the DHF?
    You think it is a better all rounder than Dhf?
    From all that I've read, and I read every knobby tire review, the DHF gets the leg up on the MM in most situations except in mud and wet conditions. On hardpack most reviews fault the MM because of knob deformation. That being said I have not tried the MM so I can't say for sure.

    After having my arse saved a few times by the large side knobs of the e13 during a front wheel washout I'm not going back to lesser tires. The feeling of impending doom as your front wheel starts to slide out from under you then suddendly you're back upright as the side knobs grab with a jolt is hard to describe and I dig it. That pretty much leaves the e13, DHF/DHR2 and MM on my short list for killer front tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have ordered a MM Addix soft for the front. I can't possibly have to much grip in the winter, thanks everyone.
    Awesome! Please give us an update when you have some miles on it. Im not in love with this NN but I'd still give the MM a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    Awesome! Please give us an update when you have some miles on it. Im not in love with this NN but I'd still give the MM a go.
    Nics are not a bad tire - in the rear though.
    I put some of the new tread pattern NN in PS rear and TS front on the trailbike.
    First ride out, in one of the first real corners and I ended up on my ass. This is a corner I ride all the time and have never gone down with a MM in front. Long story short, they are not bad, but not in the same league as a MM. I found them to be a bit drifty due to side knob placement, they just don't lock in as easily or reliably as a MM. As well, I thought the casing felt a bit squirmy. I weigh in at 225 on bike and tend to ride the trail bike like I do the downhill bike. I ended up putting the NN's on my 13 year olds RM Slayer and he loves them. On my bike, I replaced them with a TS MM front and a PS Rock Razor in back in SS. Love that combo.

    On the DH bike, I was running MM's in Vert and Trail, but kept ripping them up. Now on Michi WildRockR2 and really like them, but wish they came in a full depth or a DH version. Have been seriously considering some DHR2 and doing the front cut, but I need them in 27.5F/26R, so the DD casing is out which is what I would prefer. (Really like the SuperGravity casing) Otherwise it will be back to MM in Purple front and Orange rear probably in SG.
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    Magic Mary is just that... Magic!

    Got the older version Evo SS Tsc 2.35 up front in my 160mm AM rig.

    Tyre is a beast!

    When you're pushing the envelope, you can hear/feel it fighting for grip/traction.

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    Just 2 rides and 35+ miles on a MM Soft with a 2.35" NN Speedgrip rear. Terrain here is ideal for the MM, mostly soft and loose. I normally use XR3r/XR4f, but needed something that'd dig in more, as the trails are covered in leaves(over the usual pine straw and soft to moderately firm dirt), lately.
    It does everything I expected from reviews, with the only surprise being just how well it rolls. I've "rode it like a singlespeed" without using a cog bigger than 19T on either ride, and really only notice the weight on climbs.
    Considering it came in overweight at 937g(the NN even more so at 839g), and my total tire weight increased by almost 300g, I'm pretty happy about that-'cause I sure wasn't happy when I weighed them.

    One of the reviews commented on the MM feeding you whatever you were riding through, and I did get sprayed with forest duff once, but the WTH? moment was a patch of pea-sized gravel in a clear spot going through a turn. It took a minute to figure out that what I'd heard was little rocks pinging off tree trunks and my downtube.

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    I mounted up a 2.35 MM and a 2.4 WT DHR II, and the DHR is slightly bigger. 2.5 DHF is quite a bit bigger.
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    Yeah, my MM is 2.35" at the tread, and 2.38" at the casing, with the NN being a fuzz smaller at 2.325" and 2.37", respectively. Both within a few hundredths of my older model 2.3" XR4, and a little smaller than the new version 2.4". Nothing noteworthy about any of them in that respect, they're all "true to size".

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    MM 2.35 Soft is good so far but they don't offer ultra soft in 29"!

    I'm used to MM VertStar (ultra soft) or DHF 2.5 3C MaxGrip 27.5" tires up front. Is there nothing close to the same in 29" without going with a DH casing or something well over 1000g?

    IMO, MM and DHF are close to equals with some give and take. WT version of DHF feels closer to MM. I just want a soft compound tire on my new 9er!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    MM 2.35 Soft is good so far but they don't offer ultra soft in 29"!

    I'm used to MM VertStar (ultra soft) or DHF 2.5 3C MaxGrip 27.5" tires up front. Is there nothing close to the same in 29" without going with a DH casing or something well over 1000g?

    IMO, MM and DHF are close to equals with some give and take. WT version of DHF feels closer to MM. I just want a soft compound tire on my new 9er!
    I was in the same boat and just ended up buying the DH 1300 gram 29er maxx grip for my 29er. It is a heavy bitch but man so much traction it is scary.

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    Running MM front and rear. Addix "orange" on the front and a Trailstar in back. Perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tungsten View Post
    Running MM front and rear. Addix "orange" on the front and a Trailstar in back. Perfect.
    Trailstar is the old soft (orange).

    Addix soft is ok but it's not ultra soft or Vertstar.

    MM on the back is a bit of a boat anchor, ok for dh but pretty slow for trail riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    I was in the same boat and just ended up buying the DH 1300 gram 29er maxx grip for my 29er. It is a heavy bitch but man so much traction it is scary.
    I ran that in 27.5 EXO (non-dh) casing, WT version on 38mm rims. Excellent tire. Fast wearing of course but that grip is awesome.

    I can't f'in believe neither MM or DHF is available in the softest compound with trail casing! This is, so far, the largest issue with 9ers I have.

    I'm considering:

    - E13 TRS Enduro 2.35 Race 1100g

    - Michelin Wild Rock'R2 2.35 Magi-X 1150g

    - DHF 2.5 3C MaxxGrip DH 1300g

    I'm not sure I can add a full lb to my bike with the DHF. E13 is looking good though, and it's still 1/2 lb more than the 2.35 MM...

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    yeah it is a ton of weight! I did however not notice it as much on the front wheel as when I put it on the back. Have not tried a E13, might have to give it a go after I wear out this stack of maxxis rubber I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    I ran that in 27.5 EXO (non-dh) casing, WT version on 38mm rims. Excellent tire. Fast wearing of course but that grip is awesome.

    I can't f'in believe neither MM or DHF is available in the softest compound with trail casing! This is, so far, the largest issue with 9ers I have.

    I'm considering:

    - E13 TRS Enduro 2.35 Race 1100g

    - Michelin Wild Rock'R2 2.35 Magi-X 1150g

    - DHF 2.5 3C MaxxGrip DH 1300g

    I'm not sure I can add a full lb to my bike with the DHF. E13 is looking good though, and it's still 1/2 lb more than the 2.35 MM...
    Have you looked at the new Michelin Wild AM? Trail Sheild casing instead of Reinforced, so it's 800-ish grams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Over in dry desert SoCal, I feel absolutely no urge to switch to any other tire, riding 2.3 DHR2 F&R, modded with the square profile cut.
    Did you do the cut for the rear too? Any rolling difference if so? I've been thinking about that combo myself... the 2.5 DHF WT is just too slow and the 2.35 not grippy enough but cut DHR2's would seem like the perfect compromise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsrxc View Post
    Have you looked at the new Michelin Wild AM? Trail Sheild casing instead of Reinforced, so it's 800-ish grams.
    Looks good overall but seems more like a MaxTerra/Addix soft type compound instead of ultra soft/MaxxGrip. They're maybe a little small from reports I've read too. I'm looking for something with more dh type compound, like the Magi-X. The MM soft I have now is really pretty good, but not quite as grippy as the VertStar or MaxxGrip DHFs I used on my 27.5.

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    Like JC Wages, I run the E13 TRS Race up front inbox 29 and 27.5 flavors and it's the best front tire I've ever used and it lasts and lasts and lasts. Every ride, I constantly remind my riding buddies how great of a tire it is. For 2018 they re-did it somehow and now it's up to 995 grams. I may come right back to the E13 but I also have a Magic Mary waiting to mount up when needed.
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    DHR II (not wt) > MM

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    DHF and MM are my favorite front tyres, they are different though.

    I'll sum up my experience with each by saying that the DHF is the ultimate for cornering precision on familiar trails, while the MM will probably save your ass when you ride new trails or when you're are slightly hesitant/tired and make some bad line choices.

    Heavy duty downtube protection is recommended with the MM mounted on the front, it will grab and throw anything that can be picked up from the trail. My dt is dented despite using thick shelter tape, now added a second layer close to the bb.

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    I tried all the tires discussed as fronts and some as rears, and several others. The Magic Mary soft addix does roll great, but it's no DHF. The one place it's better is it rolls slightly better than a DHF. But the DHF is superior in every other metric. At least in our dry Rocky terrain it is.
    And the snakeskin carcass cannot be used as a rear tire it won't even stay on the rim hardly and the gravity tires are insanely heavy and stiff. So from my viewpoint Schwalbe doesn't even offer a hard Trail rear tire anymore.

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