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    Crossmax SLR, I-9 XC, or Chris King/Mavic 717 build?

    I have a 2008 Stumpjumper FSR and looking to upgrade the wheelset for endurance races. I'm 165 pounds and ride XC with few drops and not much over 2 feet.

    Crossmax SLR at $1000, I-9 XC at $1000 or the Chris King hubs with Mavic 717/DT Swiss spokes at $770.

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    If it were my money, I'd have the Kings/717s.

    It's probably slightly heavier, but you would be using standard parts which willmake life a lot easier should you ever bust a spoke or rim in the future.
    Then again, the other two are quite nice.

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    For that money and your weight, I'd be looking at Stans ZTR Crest rims with CK hubs. Plenty strong for XC riding (esp at your weight) and a much more versatile rim. Also wider than the 717.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbal
    For that money and your weight, I'd be looking at Stans ZTR Crest rims with CK hubs. Plenty strong for XC riding (esp at your weight) and a much more versatile rim. Also wider than the 717.
    Me too.

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    I had a set of crossmax slr's and they were bomb proff for me and i rode them hard in rough terrain at 190 lbs however if you wreck something on them you are stuck getting it from mavic which is not bad but pricey. At least with the king/ what ever rim you can switch out anything for what ever floats you boat.

    If you are looking at the king hubs you should check out the Dt Swiss 240's they are lighter then the kings by a fair amount and last a long time. I am guessing you say they engagement is not as good or at least someone will. you can upgrade the star ratchet to now to double the engagement points so it is not as big of deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbal
    For that money and your weight, I'd be looking at Stans ZTR Crest rims with CK hubs. Plenty strong for XC riding (esp at your weight) and a much more versatile rim. Also wider than the 717.
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    i have king/crest, my buddy had slrs, now has I9's, and i like mine the best. the crest rims are the best for tubeless.

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    I recently ordered a new set of wheels. I was looking at similar wheels as you, but ended up with Stan's Crest ZTR build. Very light set of wheels at less then half the price of your budget.

    My thought is that this lightweight wheelset probably won't last longer then a season or so. So in that time you will find yourself re-lacing your hubs with a new set of rims. In the mean time, I will be ordering another set of Stan's Crest with ZTR hubs wheelset and still will have spent less.
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    Agreed on looking into Stan's rims.

    For reliability, you can't beat the King ring-drive system.

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    Whatever you do don't get Mavics. Their hubs suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh8
    Whatever you do don't get Mavics. Their hubs suck.

    Perhaps on the lower-end models, like the CrossRides, but I've been riding Mavic Crossmax UST wheels since 2001. I also have a new pair of SLRs that I think are great wheels.


    If I were to get a new set of wheels, however, I'd buy CK in the color of my choice and lace them to some Stan's rims. I would stay away from the 717 as it's a narrow rim and not as versatile as the ZTRs. I had DT swiss 340s laced to Mavic 717s on my Anthem and found difficulty converting to tubeless and running 2.25s.

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    I am running the Stans Flow with Chris Kings...I dig them alot

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXTony
    I am running the Stans Flow with Chris Kings...I dig them alot
    What is the weight on this wheelset? I have been looking at these as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    Perhaps on the lower-end models, like the CrossRides, but I've been riding Mavic Crossmax UST wheels since 2001. I also have a new pair of SLRs that I think are great wheels.


    If I were to get a new set of wheels, however, I'd buy CK in the color of my choice and lace them to some Stan's rims. I would stay away from the 717 as it's a narrow rim and not as versatile as the ZTRs. I had DT swiss 340s laced to Mavic 717s on my Anthem and found difficulty converting to tubeless and running 2.25s.
    I have fixed more high end Mavic hubs than I can count. They are junk.

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    Where should I order a set of stans with Chris kings?

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    http://speeddream.com/

    website isn't great, so just call him and leave a message. It actually took me two calls but I had my wheels in a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh8
    I have fixed more high end Mavic hubs than I can count. They are junk.

    Care to elaborate? It's hard to take your word for it when you don't explain anything, like your experience as a mechanic and exactly what was wrong with the hubs that you "fixed."

    I've repaired and rebuilt numerous hubs, and the only ones I've had serious issues with were Nuke Proofs. On top of that, Mavic uses cartridge bearings, whereas all of the Shimano hubs I've had (XT, XTR) have used ball bearings.

    Edit: and I had to replace the worn nylon bushing in my Crossmax wheels, but there are plenty of cheap replacements one eBay.

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    Though I am not a big Mavic fan..I do have a set of Mavic Crossmaxes on my 2006 Enduro that have been on there since I bought the bike in 2006 and never had any issues with them..I got them on closeout when I bought the bike for 500 dollars and have hammered the crap out of them...nothing has failed yet

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    I have Mavic SLRs on a couple of bikes, and
    have not had one single problem. Also people
    talk about getting spokes for them, well just
    order a couple of spares when you get the wheels.
    I don't see what the big deal is.

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    if you're buying new, why would you spend more money for a wheelset that is heavier, has less engagement points (kings have 72), an inferior tubeless setup (UST vs. BST) and uses expensive proprietary spokes. Also King and Stans are both US manufactures and you can have a US wheel builder put it together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blantonator
    if you're buying new, why would you spend more money for a wheelset that is heavier, has less engagement points (kings have 72), an inferior tubeless setup (UST vs. BST) and uses expensive proprietary spokes. Also King and Stans are both US manufactures and you can have a US wheel builder put it together.
    Heavier? Post some specs so we know what you are talking about. Last time I checked, SLRs were lighter than almost anything with King hubs.

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    My king hubs, with crest rims, and a mix of cxrays and supercomps is well bellow 1500 grams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    Heavier? Post some specs so we know what you are talking about. Last time I checked, SLRs were lighter than almost anything with King hubs.
    SLRs are claimed at 1520g. link

    Chris King ISO q/r hubset = 447g (weighed)
    Pair of Alpines/Crests = 660g (claimed)
    Revos + alloy nips = 320g (weighed*)
    Total = 1427g

    * - this is actual weighed sample of 64 Revos at an average length of 292mm (29er), so it is conservative and the same set of spokes for a 26" wheel will weigh a bit less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    SLRs are claimed at 1520g. link

    Chris King ISO q/r hubset = 447g (weighed)
    Pair of Alpines/Crests = 660g (claimed)
    Revos + alloy nips = 320g (weighed*)
    Total = 1427g

    * - this is actual weighed sample of 64 Revos at an average length of 292mm (29er), so it is conservative and the same set of spokes for a 26" wheel will weigh a bit less.

    Crests weigh 340 each according to the Stans website.

    Thx for the info guys. Unfortunately I think I'm a bit heavy for those rims.

    How much would that setup run to be built?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    Crests weigh 340 each according to the Stans website.
    where? they're 330g on this page.
    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    Thx for the info guys. Unfortunately I think I'm a bit heavy for those rims.
    I'm starting to think riding style is a HUGE (much bigger than people think) determinant of what will work... probably the biggest. I weigh over 200 lbs and ride 355s with no problems. I've also put more than a few miles on my best friend's Crest wheelset that I built... no qualms about going that route either. I'm going to replace some VXCs on my dually with Crests when I get around to it to get better tubeless performance and a bit wider rim (VXCs are pretty narrow). Maybe I'm the exception, but that's my experience. I ride/race (Cat 2) very rocky Texas XC with some drops and never worry about my wheels... never had a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    How much would that setup run to be built?
    I could source the parts at online retail and do it for ~$700.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    where? they're 330g on this page.

    I'm starting to think riding style is a HUGE (much bigger than people think) determinant of what will work... probably the biggest. I weigh over 200 lbs and ride 355s with no problems. I've also put more than a few miles on my best friend's Crest wheelset that I built... no qualms about going that route either. I'm going to replace some VXCs on my dually with Crests when I get around to it to get better tubeless performance and a bit wider rim (VXCs are pretty narrow). Maybe I'm the exception, but that's my experience. I ride/race (Cat 2) very rocky Texas XC with some drops and never worry about my wheels... never had a problem.

    I could source the parts at online retail and do it for ~$700.

    Sorry, I thought we were talking about Crests still.

    http://www.notubes.com/product_info....roducts_id/492

    Yeah I'm no wheel builder, so either I'll have to learn or pay someone else to do it. It's good to know that they're about the same price as the SLRs though, assuming I pay to have someone build them.

    Thx for the info MF, time to go shopping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    Sorry, I thought we were talking about Crests still.

    http://www.notubes.com/product_info....roducts_id/492
    Well... I was confused, and we can blame stan's website. I don't mess with 26" wheels, and for some reason I was under the impression that the Alpine was the 26" version of the Crest... it even says Alpine/Crest on the rims page, and I didn't scroll down enough to get to the Crest. Anyway... so you're right... 340g, or 1447g total (conservative).
    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    Yeah I'm no wheel builder, so either I'll have to learn or pay someone else to do it. It's good to know that they're about the same price as the SLRs though, assuming I pay to have someone build them.

    Thx for the info MF, time to go shopping.
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    My crests weighed in at 320 and 325 fwiw.

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    I'm getting my first AM bike for trails, since I have one freeride & downhill bike too many and those beasts are just far too heavy for uphills and basic trail shredding. So my question is, when I'm getting 2008 Specialized Enduro SL, with Mavic Crossmax SL wheels, are those wheels maybe a bit too "weak" for me? Since I am somewhat heavy, 240 pound rider and I might be somewhat on the agressive type also.

    Should I just try to sell the crossmax wheels, while they are still good and in true and get some burlyer wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naglfar
    Should I just try to sell the crossmax wheels, while they are still good and in true and get some burlyer wheels?
    Definitely.
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    Well thanks for all the response and I've narrowed my search down to a build with Stans Crest wheels and Chris king hubs at $800. I've watched ebay and a new or fairly new set of SLR's can be had for less than $700.

    So, unless I can steal some good SLR's on ebay for cheap, I'll go with the stans build.

    I ride central Texas ( XC rocky and cactus) and have been having good luck with my maxiss advantage and slime lite tubes...flats are gone. (just finished 24 hour race in this set up with out having to add air to any tires) I'm afraid of changing something that isn't broke by going tubeless. Will these rims run wider tires or should I stay with the 2.1's. Is UST really worth it?

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    @blantonator I'm thinking of getting the same wheels as you from speeddream I've heard good things about him.

    How much did the wheelset cost? I'm in Australia and trying to work out if I get him to make a set and send them to me or get the parts online and get them made up here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crimecrusher
    Well thanks for all the response and I've narrowed my search down to a build with Stans Crest wheels and Chris king hubs at $800. I've watched ebay and a new or fairly new set of SLR's can be had for less than $700.

    So, unless I can steal some good SLR's on ebay for cheap, I'll go with the stans build.

    I ride central Texas ( XC rocky and cactus) and have been having good luck with my maxiss advantage and slime lite tubes...flats are gone. (just finished 24 hour race in this set up with out having to add air to any tires) I'm afraid of changing something that isn't broke by going tubeless. Will these rims run wider tires or should I stay with the 2.1's. Is UST really worth it?
    Where does UST come in? The Mavics are UST, the Stan's rims are not. Difference being that the Mavics are made to be run tubeless with true UST/Tubeless Ready tires - Stan's are meant to be run tubeless with many different non-tubeless tires, but don't run well tubeless with UST or Tubeless Ready tires. With Stan's rims, you have more tire options - some tires are known to seal up easily; some do not. Cacti? I think you'll appreciate the benefits of tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    Care to elaborate? It's hard to take your word for it when you don't explain anything, like your experience as a mechanic and exactly what was wrong with the hubs that you "fixed."

    I've repaired and rebuilt numerous hubs, and the only ones I've had serious issues with were Nuke Proofs. On top of that, Mavic uses cartridge bearings, whereas all of the Shimano hubs I've had (XT, XTR) have used ball bearings.

    Edit: and I had to replace the worn nylon bushing in my Crossmax wheels, but there are plenty of cheap replacements one eBay.
    Usually the pawls breaking in half and on a few occasions destroying the hub shell. I have been working in a shop for roughly 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh8
    Usually the pawls breaking in half and on a few occasions destroying the hub shell. I have been working in a shop for roughly 5 years.

    So it's not really the hubs that are the problem, but the rear freehub. Which I hear is a common problem, given their minimalist pawl/spring design.

    Fortunately I've never cracked a pawl, but I can see how it's possible. It's too bad their freehubs are lacking in quality, considering the rest of their hubs, bearings, and rims are excellent.

    But hey, as discussed in this thread...why drop the cash for a set of SLRs when you can get something lighter and better for less! I only have mine because they came on my bikes, but I think I'll try to upgrade here in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by with_the_band
    @blantonator I'm thinking of getting the same wheels as you from speeddream I've heard good things about him.

    How much did the wheelset cost? I'm in Australia and trying to work out if I get him to make a set and send them to me or get the parts online and get them made up here...
    around $800

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino
    So it's not really the hubs that are the problem, but the rear freehub. Which I hear is a common problem, given their minimalist pawl/spring design.

    Fortunately I've never cracked a pawl, but I can see how it's possible. It's too bad their freehubs are lacking in quality, considering the rest of their hubs, bearings, and rims are excellent.

    But hey, as discussed in this thread...why drop the cash for a set of SLRs when you can get something lighter and better for less! I only have mine because they came on my bikes, but I think I'll try to upgrade here in the near future.
    Yeah I cannot say I have had to replace the bearings in one. I will say there are many hubs that are much easier to service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh8
    Whatever you do don't get Mavics. Their hubs suck.

    2nd that big time. Total piece of crap wheels. Spokes rub each other. pinging sounds contantly and my cranks go like its a fixed gear. Total Junk.
    Ive had kings and I9s and feel partial to the I9s. Just reek of quality. slightly better engagement and a tad trick looking. 0 drag on both wheels after they break in. The crossmax's just break...

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    agree - kings from dave at speeddreams.

    Biggest king advantage is the rear hub engagement mechanism.

    On the front hub, if you get a QR hub, realize that it can only be converted to a 15qr, not a 20mm. If you are running a 15qr and never see yourself going QR again - get the 15/20mm nub.
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    I hate to high jack the thread but it's mine so guess I can. I had decided to go with a stans crest build with Chris King hubs but I just stumbled on a 2008 Stumpjumper FSR S-works carbon. It comes with Roval Contrôle XC race wheelset. How do these compare to the build I was considering. I may still do the build and put these roval on my wife's stumpy.

    My original plan was to upgrade the frame to carbon and upgrade my wheels. Now I've got a new bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crimecrusher
    I hate to high jack the thread but it's mine so guess I can. I had decided to go with a stans crest build with Chris King hubs but I just stumbled on a 2008 Stumpjumper FSR S-works carbon. It comes with Roval Contrôle XC race wheelset. How do these compare to the build I was considering. I may still do the build and put these roval on my wife's stumpy.

    My original plan was to upgrade the frame to carbon and upgrade my wheels. Now I've got a new bike.
    Get Kings with Stans rims.
    Put the Rovals on the wife's bike. The Roval wheel are decent, but not up to the King hub level.
    OUCH...!!!!!!

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    Ran a set of Bontrager Racexxxltes wheels fro 5 years. Hubs were DT Swiss 240's super dumb easy to work on. I am a big guy and never brok anything on them, no spoke, no broke hub part. They used to warranty all Bontrager parts for 5 years. Now its 2 years I believe. For my 2 cents/opinions, DT Swiss are the best, I'veused some XT wheels
    with ball and cup not my cup of tea, prefer cardtidge bearings.
    I've got SLR's now I like them except for the two pawl design and the plastic bearing, to me the two pawls a are lame design, but wheels came on bike. So far bike is year old, no wories. Only cause I am real picky I take all wheels, pivot bearings, etc.when brand new and pry the seals and re-pack any way, just my way. Didn't care for the difficulty of getting the Mavic freehub bearing oil. But so far so good.
    My sugestion for your wheels would be based on DT Swiss 240 hubs and then decide on what rim you'd like, and spokes/builder. Good luck with that!!!
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    I have the I9´s ..... enduro and the ultralites... really great one´s !!!!!
    great colors, no problem for about a year ........fast fast fast

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