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    biggest volume 29er tires

    in descending order, for those who know.

    i have experience with only the panaracer 2.35 which is a great tire, large volume, but lacks the stickier SC compound. why would panaracer do this, i have no idea.

    maxxis ardent 2.4? nobby nics? has anyone had experience with the big tires and measured?

    just rode a Norco Shinobi with nevegal 2.2's today, just awesome!

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    I have a Ardent up front and a WWLT out back, both large tires setup tubeless on flows. I have not measured them but they are monsters. The WWLT is a a sticky tire at 40a and is pretty awesome on rocks.

    The largest I have heard is the RaRa 2.4 is the largest casing volume.
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    Not the largest, but the FR3 has a thick casing which allows low pressures. Casing seems as big as the Rampages.

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    what is the WWLT?? i'm not familiar

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    what is the WWLT?? i'm not familiar
    WTB » Products - Tires - 29er - WeirWolf LT 29er

    Unfortunately, not in production anymore.

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    I just got a WTB Dissent 2.5, its heavy but lots of volume

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    I run a Rampage 2.35 on my Inbred and the Ardent 2.4 on my Milk Money. They're both paired to Ignitors on the rear. The rampage is mounted on a Flow rim and the Ardent is on a Blount.

    They're both bigger tires but the Ardent is biggest by far. I've never measured them with calipers.

    Now, I've ridden Rampage/Ignitors for years and love them. The Ardent/Ignitors took some time to get comfortable. I put a lot of weight on the front end and carry a lot of corner speed. The Ardent never lost traction but I lacked confidence in it at first. The Rampage tends to "fall" onto the cornering knobs, rail and then slide predictably. The Ardent just sorta rolls onto the cornering knobs which kept me thinking that I hadn't reached them and that it might give or slide. They will slide but you really have to push it and it gets there differently; not better and not worse. It's hard to describe.

    Some of it may be the rim profile but they're both wide rims.

    I tend to favor the Ardent a little more these days but I like both.

    Give them a try. It's a cheap experiment. FWIW, the Ardent was way too sluggish fir me as a rear tire.

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    Not sure of the order, but here are a few high volume tires to consider:

    Ardent 2.4 - great all around tire, got a 2nd pair this season
    Racing Ralph 2.4 - light, fast, thin walled
    Purgatory Control 2.4
    WTB Dissent 2.5 - downhill tire, very heavy
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    im betting when the minion comes out it will be the largest 29'' tire, for now an ardent or ra ra takes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS-Dad View Post
    WTB » Products - Tires - 29er - WeirWolf LT 29er

    Unfortunately, not in production anymore.
    They've confirmed at the recent bike shows that it's coming back for 2012, albeit with more aggressive side knobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    im betting when the minion comes out it will be the largest 29'' tire, for now an ardent or ra ra takes it.
    For 26" versions the 2.5 Minion is skinnier but taller than a 2.4" Ardent. I dont see why this would change for the 29er market. Then again I think a skinny and tall tire ends up fatter once it's loaded down/ sagged in (using fork terms).

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    Purgatory 2.4. I use it on the back of my Judo Ape( Brother to the Karate Monkey). 64mm W x 62mm H on the velocity 35 rims. Tubeless set up , very beefy sidewalls and tread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    For 26" versions the 2.5 Minion is skinnier but taller than a 2.4" Ardent. I dont see why this would change for the 29er market. Then again I think a skinny and tall tire ends up fatter once it's loaded down/ sagged in (using fork terms).
    I decided to make the 29er Minion DHF a true 2.5" wide (whereas the 26" version is closer to a 2.4). The volume of the Minion DHF 29x2.5 should be the same as the Ardent 29x2.4 (same width casing), but since the tread is taller on the DHF, the tire will measure taller and wider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    I decided to make the 29er Minion DHF a true 2.5" wide (whereas the 26" version is closer to a 2.4). The volume of the Minion DHF 29x2.5 should be the same as the Ardent 29x2.4 (same width casing), but since the tread is taller on the DHF, the tire will measure taller and wider.

    Good news, can we have the same thing happen to the 26" one as well


    I tapped that

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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    I decided to make the 29er Minion DHF a true 2.5" wide (whereas the 26" version is closer to a 2.4). The volume of the Minion DHF 29x2.5 should be the same as the Ardent 29x2.4 (same width casing), but since the tread is taller on the DHF, the tire will measure taller and wider.
    Awesome

    I've never seen a tire as hyped as this one, it's got some big shoes to fill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Good news, can we have the same thing happen to the 26" one as well


    I tapped that
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    RaRa 2.4 mounted on a Flow rim is right on the money - 2.4" according to my vernier caliper.

    I am running a 2+ year old one on the front of my dual suspension bike and haven't had any sidewall issues on all sorts of terrain including very rocky (Fountainhead, Frederick Watershed and Patapsco). The RaRa 2.25 I had on the rear got one pinhole leak from a rock bash that initially sealed up and then let loose 1/2 way through the next ride. A small patch fixed it.

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    I've been running 26 and 29 Dissents this year and like them a lot but the DH 29 tire is just such a pig for AM riding. I don't know why they don't do a Race version of the 29 tire. In 26 it saves 270g over the DH version (according to their specs) so in 29 it would likely offer a 300g savings at least and at that kind of weight I'll bet they could sell a lot more tires since the tread pattern and sticky rubber is great.

    Depending on the brand a 2.5" tire can offer a substantial advantage in traction and protection over a 2.35. I did buy a Bontreger 2.35 tire lately in a pinch because that was the best thing they had at the lbs and it was really fat, but the rubber was too hard and it had a center ridge that caused it to spin out on rocks and roots so it only stayed on until the WTB came in. Overall fat is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    They've confirmed at the recent bike shows that it's coming back for 2012, albeit with more aggressive side knobs
    Thats great news. I am specifically NOT buying one for my new build, because I dont like the way it skates on hard pack cornering (Nor Cal summer).

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    I have ardent 2.4 on a velocity p35 and it is like riding on donuts

    wide rims are everything
    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squareback View Post
    Thats great news. I am specifically NOT buying one for my new build, because I dont like the way it skates on hard pack cornering (Nor Cal summer).
    Hah, I know how you feel. I'm up in the north valley and I sold my WW after two rides. What good is huge volume if you can't hold enough speed to need that much more cush

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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    I decided to make the 29er Minion DHF a true 2.5" wide (whereas the 26" version is closer to a 2.4). The volume of the Minion DHF 29x2.5 should be the same as the Ardent 29x2.4 (same width casing), but since the tread is taller on the DHF, the tire will measure taller and wider.
    Thank you. I'm the guy that was lobbying you to put the ADvantage tread on the 2.4 Ardent casing at the 2010 Sea Otter Classic. Very stoked to hear that there will be both trail and DH versions.
    Abandoned the 26" wheel in May '03

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    is there, or was there ever a WTB Stout in a 29er size? i get the impression from the web that there is/was, but can find little other info about....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    is there, or was there ever a WTB Stout in a 29er size? i get the impression from the web that there is/was, but can find little other info about....
    Yes, there was, I liked it a lot as a front tire given the fact that it was not very high volume. It handled very well in lots of the "out West conditions". I rode it all over California and plenty in Colorado and South West Utah. If the Stout had been made a bit bigger it would have been an amazing tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erchico View Post
    Abandoned the 26" wheel in May '03
    Really. What, were you living in Crested Butte or something? Friends with Wes Williams?

    I'm assuming you didn't go to 24 or 20".
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erchico View Post
    Thank you. I'm the guy that was lobbying you to put the ADvantage tread on the 2.4 Ardent casing at the 2010 Sea Otter Classic. Very stoked to hear that there will be both trail and DH versions.
    This would sweet! I love the ADvantage on my 26er bike, that and I ride the same trails the AD rides so the tire makes since to use where she tested it

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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier View Post
    Really. What, were you living in Crested Butte or something? Friends with Wes Williams?

    I'm assuming you didn't go to 24 or 20".
    My first 29er was a '03 Fisher Paragon. Bought it in May '03 after lusting after a 29er for a couple of years. Not like I was a very early adopter. I was the second person in Chico to have one. Chico is pretty bike geeky, just not as famous for it as Crested Butte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erchico View Post
    My first 29er was a '03 Fisher Paragon. Bought it in May '03 after lusting after a 29er for a couple of years. Not like I was a very early adopter. I was the second person in Chico to have one. Chico is pretty bike geeky, just not as famous for it as Crested Butte.
    Well you were still pretty far ahead of the curve.

    Gary Fisher Paragon 29er | Dirt Rag Magazine

    I wasn't aware they had become somewhat mainstream by that date. I'm so died in the wool FS and a tire geek so I didn't really start paying much attention until there was a pretty good selection of both.

    Sucks that almost all the links to old articles about Fisher are now either no good or redirected to Trek's website. Sorry to be negative but that's a good enough reason to stay away from both in my book. Too corporate. Support independents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erchico View Post
    Yes, there was, I liked it a lot as a front tire given the fact that it was not very high volume. It handled very well in lots of the "out West conditions". I rode it all over California and plenty in Colorado and South West Utah. If the Stout had been made a bit bigger it would have been an amazing tire.
    You can still find the 29er Stout for sale online here and there. I have one out in the garage waiting to be mounted. I'm not sure if I should try the tire tubeless on my Flow rims. Did you ever run the stout tubeless, and on what rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    You can still find the 29er Stout for sale online here and there. I have one out in the garage waiting to be mounted. I'm not sure if I should try the tire tubeless on my Flow rims. Did you ever run the stout tubeless, and on what rims?
    Never tubeless. Ran on a Kris Holm unicycle rims. The 38mm wide rim did help the volume of the tire. Not interested in finding any old Stouts. I have Dissents, Kodiaks, Ardent 2.4's. Rampages and the Cedric Gracia XC CG 2.25's currently in my tire pile. All are new but the Kodiaks. I think I'm good until the trail and DH Minions become available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    You can still find the 29er Stout for sale online here and there. I have one out in the garage waiting to be mounted. I'm not sure if I should try the tire tubeless on my Flow rims. Did you ever run the stout tubeless, and on what rims?
    Only problem I've heard of is that the made-in-China versions that Performance was selling were prone to blisters in the tread when run tubeless

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    New Syncros FLavor 2.25 are slightly wider than RaRa 2.4 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erchico View Post
    Never tubeless. Ran on a Kris Holm unicycle rims. The 38mm wide rim did help the volume of the tire. Not interested in finding any old Stouts. I have Dissents, Kodiaks, Ardent 2.4's. Rampages and the Cedric Gracia XC CG 2.25's currently in my tire pile. All are new but the Kodiaks. I think I'm good until the trail and DH Minions become available.
    Thanks to you and Boomn for the info. on the Stout. Tubeless is probably out as an option then. I didn't figure you were interested in the Stout, but I did think the poster who brought the tire up might want to know that the discontinued tire could still be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    I decided to make the 29er Minion DHF a true 2.5" wide (whereas the 26" version is closer to a 2.4). The volume of the Minion DHF 29x2.5 should be the same as the Ardent 29x2.4 (same width casing), but since the tread is taller on the DHF, the tire will measure taller and wider.
    Sort of off topic, but any chance we'll see a higher volume crossmark (2.2-2.3) w/EXO, EXC, and 3C for 2012? I'll buy a pair as soon as they're available if so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadis3 View Post
    New Syncros FLavor 2.25 are slightly wider than RaRa 2.4 !

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