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    American Classic 29ER RACE wheelset everyday use?

    Can an AMERICAN CLASSIC 29ER RACE WHEELSET be used for everyday riding? Weight is a claimed 1419g. Not sure what rider weight limit is. Have heard AM CLASSIC WHEELS are strong and tough!! As light or lighter than some carbon rims out on the market right now. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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    Well, they claim the max rider weight is 200 or 210 lbs... something in that range. I'm about 175 these days, and I'm using my set as an "everyday" wheelset. I'll post up if I have any problems with them. So far, though, I'm really digging them. They're very wide, and that lends a lot of lateral support to the tire.

    Claimed weight is spot on, too. I think my set weighed 1421g with tape but without valves.
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    That's awesome. Can't wait til mine come in as they are on back order and I have to wait til beginning of April to get mine. What tire setup are you using with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    Well, they claim the max rider weight is 200 or 210 lbs... something in that range. I'm about 175 these days, and I'm using my set as an "everyday" wheelset. I'll post up if I have any problems with them. So far, though, I'm really digging them. They're very wide, and that lends a lot of lateral support to the tire.

    Claimed weight is spot on, too. I think my set weighed 1421g with tape but without valves.
    Hey mate, I'm the same weight as you and getting a set of either these race 29's or tubeless 29's. I ride and race XC on fairly rocky track with some half meter or so drop offs at points . Would you recommend these wheels? I am very keen on the huge weight saving but i'm worried about stiffness and durability, i plan to use it as an "everyday" wheelset. How long have you had them and how have you found there stiffness?

    Cheers from Australia, Torren

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    Hey mate, I'm the same weight as you and getting a set of either these race 29's or tubeless 29's. I ride and race XC on fairly rocky track with some half meter or so drop offs at points . Would you recommend these wheels? I am very keen on the huge weight saving but i'm worried about stiffness and durability, i plan to use it as an "everyday" wheelset. How long have you had them and how have you found there stiffness?

    Cheers from Australia, Torren

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren_lamont View Post
    Hey mate, I'm the same weight as you and getting a set of either these race 29's or tubeless 29's. I ride and race XC on fairly rocky track with some half meter or so drop offs at points . Would you recommend these wheels? I am very keen on the huge weight saving but i'm worried about stiffness and durability, i plan to use it as an "everyday" wheelset. How long have you had them and how have you found there stiffness?

    Cheers from Australia, Torren
    I really can't comment on rim strength, as I haven't had them for very long, and I don't normally destroy rims. I get 2-3 feet of air on a regular basis on my XC rides, but I'm a fairly smooth rider, and the terrain is not super rocky.

    If it's true XC riding you do, and you don't crash often and/or hard, then the XC Race wheels will probably be fine for you. But if you ride with more of an aggressive, abusive style and crash occasionally, then these wheels are too nice and expensive to risk destoying (IMHO).
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    Hi everybody,

    So, did you guys tested more the wheelset?

    I'm 195 lbs, ride XC but I don't do drops, only fast passes over rocks, etc... I'm planning buying this wheelset to my Superfly 100 PRO, but first I would like to hear more comments.

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    lets keep the conversation going, how are the wheels holding up. I am also looking at these.

    How can the rear handled torque? Notice anything when you give it some gas up a punchy little climb. (looking at 29er) Im 180 lbs

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    Just to add my $0.02 in here. I just ordered this wheelset at my lbs and they are BO'd until May I'll be using them as my everyday wheels and can't wait for them to get here. I don't do much heavy riding so these should last me quite some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcc13 View Post
    Just to add my $0.02 in here. I just ordered this wheelset at my lbs and they are BO'd until May I'll be using them as my everyday wheels and can't wait for them to get here. I don't do much heavy riding so these should last me quite some time.
    You might wanna check on that. Mine were also back ordered and I received my set on Monday. They're at my LBS getting put on my new Scott Spark Expert along with a handful of weight weenie parts. The wheelset is gonna be used as an everyday set also, so pics and update coming soon.

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    Interesting. I was there when it was ordered and my guy was talking to someone at either AC or his distributor and asked how long I was willing to wait since it wouldn't be until May to get them. Hopefully you're right and they come in sooner.

    Looking forward to your pics and review.

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    Well, unfortunately you may be right as I had to wait about a month til I got mine. AM seems to be having a hard time keeping up the supply and demand on these wheels. They are manufactured overseas (China) which delays the process even more so with customs. Just curious, which color did you order? I have the black rims and white hubs. Maybe could be the reason for long delay.

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    Yah, I just realized from your comment about ordering them to when you posted you got them was about a month.

    Seriously...China built?? Thought they were American made...sux.

    I got the same setup as yours which I think is the only combo that is mentioned on the AC website.

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    Tubeless ready tires?

    What kind of tires are you guys running on these? Anybody have success with tubeless ready tires despite the bead supposedly being optimized for non-tubeless tires as mentioned in the link below? I was hoping to run Racing Ralph but those are tubeless ready.

    Interbike 2011: New Wheels from American Classic | Dirt Rag Magazine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copenhagen View Post
    What kind of tires are you guys running on these? Anybody have success with tubeless ready tires despite the bead supposedly being optimized for non-tubeless tires as mentioned in the link below? I was hoping to run Racing Ralph but those are tubeless ready.

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    Interesting. I'm going to have to my LBS about this.

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    Same questions

    Keeping this tread live. I have the same questions.

    - how does the Race 29 hold up to everyday XC use?
    - what tires work with this new rim design? I was planning on using racing ralphs, but now may go with Icons.

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    I've been riding this wheelset for a good bit now. No durability issues, and I haven't had to true up the rim at all. The wide rim really does lend some extra lateral stability to the tire- I'm now running about 2 psi less than I am with Crest rims.

    The center rim channel is very deep, however, and it makes seating the bead difficult. I needed to remove the valve core and hit it with a strong blast of air to get my Ikon and Ignitor to seat. I haven't tried to mount a tire with UST compliant beads, however.

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    I have the 26 race wheels. I remember reading that Dirtrag article and being a bit concerned, since so many of the tires I like are now tubeless ready. So I emailed AC, and my bike shop also spoke to their rep. The short story: article is wrong, and tubeless ready tires can be used. The person I spoke with did mention that some tires have such a big bead that they can be a problem (example used was Schwalbe). That said, I set up one of my preferred combos - Racing Ralph tubeless ready rear, Rocket Ron tubeless ready front - and it was super easy. Not too tight a fit, sealed up with a floor pump. They've held air perfectly, although I've only had one quick ride so far - but so far so good. As far as them being everyday wheels - not so sure. Would depend on how big you are, and what your definition of "everyday" is. AC told me that while of course you could use them as everyday wheels, they are extremely light so you might expect to true them a bit more. I planned on them being race day only - but am going to use them more often and see how they fare, then use accordingly.

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    Thanks for the update guys

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    Chunky, thanks for the information. I called American Classic and got a similar answer to you. Sounds like the rims should be fine with TL-ready tires.

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    Anymore feedback about Schwalbe 29er tires with these rims and ease/difficulty of setting up or burps/lack thereof?

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    Well finally got my AC MTB Race wheel set and paired them up with Schwalbe Racing Ralph 29x2.25 tires. My LBS recommended them and installed them for me. They didn't mention anything about problems so I think it's ok. These wheels are crazy light.

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    Thanks for the feedback tcc13. And if you can, give us some feed back after first tire change or re-gooping. So now these Race MTB29's are on my short list. And yea I love the Ralphs/Rons so much that I'm pretty much making my next rim/wheel choice based in large part on reliability and compatibility with these tires. It's reassuring to hear your/their experience, though it would be more relevant from maybe a relative noob tire installer like me who wants to hear a startling/satisfying PING!! bead setting with a floor pump, even if pumping furiously is required.

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    I commented a little earlier in this post...but a bit of an update. I have the race 26 wheels, but I suspect installation is comparable. At first I set them up just like I do with Stan's rims - bit of soap, floor pump, get up to about 40 psi, then let some air out the next day. I didn't hear the 'snap'/ping like I do with the Stan's. Ended up with a bit of a wobble. Rode them, no issues, but the wobble was annoying. So I went back and looked at the American Classic instructions - similar, but they also suggest soaping inside of bead. Did that, and also went higher with psi - about 45 - 50 - it was at that point that they snapped into place. Then next day lowered them to high 20s psi. Perfect seal, perfectly aligned. Ridden with zero issues since. So to make a long story short - just be prepared for a bit more soap, and using a bit more pressure at first compared to Stan's rims. But super easy - extremely happy with set up. This was with TLR Racing Ralph and Rocket Ron.

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    Hello All, just wanted to update on a little misfortune I had with these wheels. Mind you I have no knowledge on things MTB so I always consult my LBS for guidence.

    Since picking up these wheels and finally being able to go on a ride with thme just last weekend I found the tires to be a bit spongey/soft. I just thought that my LBS inflated them that way and didn't think much of it. A few days later I found the rear tire almost flat and contacted my LBS on the issue. They said it was perfectly normal for tubeless to loose air and that if I thought that it was leaking elsewhere to pump them up to 60psi and shake them around so that the sealant inside gets good coverage.

    So that evening (yesterday) I start pumping the front tire up to 60psi. Almost at 50 and the tire just blows right off the rim. Went a little deaf in my left ear for a few seconds and scared me a bit. Now there's sealent everywhere and I clean that up. I inspect the rim and find that the area where the two ends meet it is bent/sticking out a bit.

    I email my LBS of the issue and told them that I'll drop by and show them what happened. Bring it to them a few hours ago and one of the techs says it's toast and was surprised that that happened at 50psi.

    They're going to call AC and see what they say but this clearly is a defect since I would assume the rim should be able to hold much higher psi than 50.

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    Your LBS owes you a new rim or wheel. 50psi is very high for a tubeless tire. It should seat well below that and why would more pressure be needed to "shake the sealant around". I'll bet AC will tell them the same thing. Those rims may take 50psi w/ a tube, but w/o tubes the stress on the beads is huge. Sorry this happened, but it wasn't your fault.

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    My thoughts exactly. As they advised me to go that high of a pressure otherwise I would've only went to about 30-40psi which is what I did for the rear and it s holding the pressure much better.

    It's the long weekend as it's Canada Day tomorrow so they won't get to it until next week. Luckily I have the stock wheel/tire so i slapped that on and will be able to ride.

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    With a 340 gram 29er rim, something has to give. Those things are paper thin. They're also really expensive and using basically budget asian hubs.

    Chinese carbon rims laced up to hopes would be cheaper and stronger!

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    Update: got my replacement wheel back and it was covered by warranty (thank god). Took about one month from start to finish The weird thing is that AC didn't send the valve back with the wheel so I can go tubeless (has a tube in it now). So my LBS has to order it and hopefully it'll be here in a week.

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    Hello,
    Any update on the use of AMERICAN CLASSIC 29ER RACE WHEELSET for everyday riding? I plan to buy a good wheelset and I am really thinking about these. I do practically only XC, not much hard stuff (rocks, roots etc. ocasionally). As already mentioned, weight is 1419g of the set and 340g of the rim, rider weight limit is 95kg. I weigh 74kg, so I should be relatively far from the limit, but still I am a bit worried. I don't want to have more wheelsets, so they would be my everyday and only wheel set. I can not decide to buy these or rather go for some stronger (cheaper) and havier ones.
    I think noone mentioned anything about the hubs, their quality. I read a lot about them, they are a nice peice of engineering/design. Any practical experience? Do they run smoothly even after longer period of serious use? Any issues?

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    Also interested in any other updates/thoughts.

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    bringing this up hoping for some more long term use updates? I'm really interested in the wheels. 180 lbs. and ride a little hard sometimes...

    1400grams, wide, and tough? sounds too good to be true.

    but if they can take this, maybe it is?





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    Tired waiting for my American Classic wheels

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    CarlS- I have about 1500 miles on mine as "daily drivers" and I'm pretty happy.
    I weigh 150#, ride and occasionally race XC, with fair amount of roots and rocky quarry goat trails- the above pic looks like fun too I'd like to think that I ride fairly "light" on my bike but have been known to just bash through stuff more than I should LOL (riding a FS encourages this too!). I've yet to ding either wheel and use Ralphs and Rons @ 22-25 PSI, they have stayed very true, and their engagement is fine. I've yet to service the free hub yet, though it is on my short list.
    My one complaint with these wheels is the incessant "plinking" spoke noise. I've had them re-tensioned by AC twice under warranty, and while quiet for a while afterwards the noise comes back....so I've sorta learned to ignore it but it does bother me.
    I'd give them a 10 considering price, weight,width, and true-ness, but the annoying persistent noise brings them down to a 9 for me.

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    Is everyone using the supplied AC rim tape, or changing to something a littler thicker? I just got my 26" race wheels, filled them with two scoops of Stans, an pumped them up to 40psi. I'm using Ritchey Z-max WCS Tubeless ready tires. They will not hold air. By the next day they barely have any pressure in them. I didn't need soap to set the bead in, but I did use soap to test for leaks and found nothing. I will probably end up starting from scratch again, but trying to get the tire bead out of the bead hook on the rim is really difficult. I guess I could pull the valve stems and add some more stans that way, but I'd prefer not to fill my tires up with a ton of stans. When I got the wheels, the rim strips looked to be installed well enough. Except on one of the wheels, where the strip overlapped, it wasn't sticking as well. I was wondering if that was my probably, but it doesn't explain why both wheels won't hold air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cspike View Post
    Is everyone using the supplied AC rim tape, or changing to something a littler thicker? I just got my 26" race wheels, filled them with two scoops of Stans, an pumped them up to 40psi. I'm using Ritchey Z-max WCS Tubeless ready tires. They will not hold air. By the next day they barely have any pressure in them. I didn't need soap to set the bead in, but I did use soap to test for leaks and found nothing. I will probably end up starting from scratch again, but trying to get the tire bead out of the bead hook on the rim is really difficult. I guess I could pull the valve stems and add some more stans that way, but I'd prefer not to fill my tires up with a ton of stans. When I got the wheels, the rim strips looked to be installed well enough. Except on one of the wheels, where the strip overlapped, it wasn't sticking as well. I was wondering if that was my probably, but it doesn't explain why both wheels won't hold air.
    Why go to all that trouble when you're not sure where the tire /rim assembly is leaking? Fill the bathtub up and dunk it.
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    I can definitely do that. Thanks!

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    Never had to dunk them, just kept inflating them and riding the bike around my cul du sac to keep the stans moving around. No more leaks.
    Got out for my first ride finally and they feel great. The weight still scares me, but no issues after one ride. I can't imagine the benefit of such a weightless wheel on a 29er. If and when I get a new bike, I would definitely consider the AM race wheels. Hope they are durable enough for everyday riding.

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