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    yup... still updating. as long as i keep getting e-mails i'll keep plugging data in.

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    To my mind, this should be a sticky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweeney
    ... if we had a listing of 29er tire weights.
    This is a re-post but they don't seem to have made it into the spreadsheet.

    Maxxis Ignitor K 29x2.1 (older version)- 1@ 594g
    Kenda Karma 29x2.2 - 2@ 794, 804g
    Kenda Small Block 8 29x2.1 - 2@ 610, 604g
    Maxxis Crossmark K 29x2.1 - 2@ 594, 598g

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    Quote Originally Posted by KLF
    This is a re-post but they don't seem to have made it into the spreadsheet.

    Maxxis Ignitor K 29x2.1 (older version)- 1@ 594g
    Kenda Karma 29x2.2 - 2@ 794, 804g
    Kenda Small Block 8 29x2.1 - 2@ 610, 604g
    Maxxis Crossmark K 29x2.1 - 2@ 594, 598g
    email it or PM it to Melting Feather.

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    Done. The first time your post must have threaded the needle between when I was building the spreadsheet and when I posted it (it was right before I posted it).
    I'm subscribed to the thread, so I should get e-mails everytime someone posts here.

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    Someone should start a weight-weenies style wiki page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Dunlop
    Someone should start a weight-weenies style wiki page.
    why don't you do it?

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    You could call it "Dunlop Tire Weenie Wiki".
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    I can throw down some of the new Bontrager's...

    XR1 Team Issue 1.9" 480g
    29-3 Team Issue 2.0" 450g
    29-0 Team Issue 1.9" 412g

    These have been the popular ones with the team. All of them are tube type tires, but set up tubless very well with Stan's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattomoto
    XR1 Team Issue 1.9" 480g
    29-3 Team Issue 2.0" 450g
    29-0 Team Issue 1.9" 412g

    These have been the popular ones with the team. All of them are tube type tires, but set up tubless very well with Stan's.

    Matto
    never heard of a 29-0 and it ain't on bonty's website. new stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    why don't you do it?
    Becuase I have the technical skills of a stoned afghani child.

    Seriously though, half of the questions I read are 'how much does this weigh?' or 'what conditions are these tyres good for?' when the question has already been asked a thousand times before. Then it gets into an off topic flame war because someone used British English and some retarded American with nothing better to do thinks they are being clever by pointing this out, and 26 pages later no one can agree if someone's mother was fat or not, and then some retro-grouch chimes in about how drop bars are great and nothing built after 1984 has been worth the trouble. Then some douchbag from Germany spends hours trying to sell his homemade vapourware. Most of the time I just want simple information, not an argument. Quite frankly I don't give a crap what some armchair expert with 3 billion posts thinks about Y and Z when I asked about X.

    Also, there isn't a good, current list of part weights online anymore.

    Weight weenies is OK, but it would be nice to get some info about, say, what conditions certain tyres are good in, what fork crowns clear what frames etc...

    If anyone wants to walk me through how to do something, then I would be willing to do the fiddling etc.

    my $0.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Dunlop
    Becuase I have the technical skills of a stoned afghani child.

    Seriously though, half of the questions I read are 'how much does this weigh?' or 'what conditions are these tyres good for?' when the question has already been asked a thousand times before. Then it gets into an off topic flame war because someone used British English and some retarded American with nothing better to do thinks they are being clever by pointing this out, and 26 pages later no one can agree if someone's mother was fat or not, and then some retro-grouch chimes in about how drop bars are great and nothing built after 1984 has been worth the trouble. Then some douchbag from Germany spends hours trying to sell his homemade vapourware. Most of the time I just want simple information, not an argument. Quite frankly I don't give a crap what some armchair expert with 3 billion posts thinks about Y and Z when I asked about X.

    Also, there isn't a good, current list of part weights online anymore.

    Weight weenies is OK, but it would be nice to get some info about, say, what conditions certain tyres are good in, what fork crowns clear what frames etc...

    If anyone wants to walk me through how to do something, then I would be willing to do the fiddling etc.

    my $0.02
    First, you've described pretty much every internet forum there is. People don't do research because it's easier to post asking a question that was asked and answered two days prior than to search for a whole minute. Like you, they think having someone else do the work is a better approach.
    Sounds like you need to whiff reality and get over it or allocate less of your time to internet forums.
    Your cute little cross-section of forum contributors is about as dumb as it gets... you managed to condense 1000 posts worth of retarded into 150 words. Xenophobic stereotypes might get you points with fellow subjects of the crown, but they certainly don't put me in a mood to 'walk you through' anything but the exit door.
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    I'm riding the Schwalbe Furious Fred 29x2.0 for two weeks

    319 grams and 354 grams

    Real size is not 2.0 but rather 1.8. They are no bigger than my Bontrager Jones XR 1.8.

    HELLA fast on hardpack, gravel, road, roots and grass. Avoid rocks or any terrain that can cause pinch flat because they are thin like road tires (actually I'd call them "high volume road tires with small knobs". Acceleration is INSANE compare to any other tires Rolling resistance is.... well it's like there is none . Increased my cruising speed by 3 mph.

    Need more speed. GET THEM !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Dunlop
    when the question has already been asked a thousand times before. Then it gets into an off topic flame war because someone used British English and some retarded American with nothing better to do thinks they are being clever by pointing this out, and 26 pages later no one can agree if someone's mother was fat or not, and then some retro-grouch chimes in about how drop bars are great and nothing built after 1984 has been worth the trouble. Then some douchbag from Germany spends hours trying to sell his homemade vapourware. Most of the time I just want simple information, not an argument. Quite frankly I don't give a crap what some armchair expert with 3 billion posts thinks about Y and Z when I asked about X.
    Came so close to spittin' my morning coffee on the computer screen!
    Thanks for the great laugh, so, so true...........
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    I added a cross link to this thread on the 29'er FAQs, 5th post down, currently.

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    Today I picked up my set of Bontrager FR3 tires, "Team" version (ie, 120 TPI version) and WOW, while i honestly dont mind a heavy tire, these are more than I would have preferred anyway @ 1038 grams! I only weighed one in fear the second would have confirmed the weight...LOL.

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    Great thread. Swapped my 29er WTB Exiwolf 2.3 to Maxxis Crossmarks 2.1, aided by information on this forum = 500-ish grams saving on weight. Best $/kg saving made yet.

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    thanks for the links it was just what I was looking for

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    Stans Raven 2.0 weighed in at 486g/ 2.2 at 550g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LateBrakeU2
    Perhaps a bit off topic- does anyone know off hand if Crows work for clydes? I'm 230lbs currentely running wtb nano r's on arches and do mostly hard pack fire trail climbs. Heard they work best in that element .
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    I was running them front and rear at first. Crashed on a loose rocky downhill and decided it is not the best in the front. I still run it in the rear but run a Karma in front. I still get good acceleration but have much better control.

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    nice one

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    EXTREMELY NICE JOB. SHOUTING for encouragement!!!
    Keep it up
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    Looks like you need WTB Prowler data I have SL's that came on my Marin...I'll go pull em' and weigh em'...

    EDIT:

    WTB Prowler SL 2.10
    860 and 825
    Advertised is 726

    Pretty big difference...no wonder my bike feels so "Porky"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusDelirious
    Looks like you need WTB Prowler data I have SL's that came on my Marin...I'll go pull em' and weigh em'...

    EDIT:

    WTB Prowler SL 2.10
    860 and 825
    Advertised is 726

    Pretty big difference...no wonder my bike feels so "Porky"
    Must be OEM wire bead? My kevlar beads were 630ish.
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    a few for the mean sample,
    wtb exiwolf 2.1 fold 594g
    wtb exiwolf 2.3 fold 794g
    the crossmarks look nice, as do the RR which i love on my 26"

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    furious freds 334g and 345g

    took them out on rocky, shale and roots trail they held up fine. traction was a problem at higher psi, hitting the rim was a problem at lower psi. they are very narrow and work fastest on grassy surfaces at med high psi or very high psi on the street. otherwise save your money.
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    Converted FOX 36 owners

    Do you have the contact info for BCD? Thinkin about havin one done.

    THX!

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    Am I seeing what I am seeing.

    How does the igniter keep coming in lighter than the crossmark?

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    Kenda Small Block 8 @ 605g ~ Advertised @ 575 +/-30

    So of course mine came in right at the top Well at least it's within tolerance which is okay by me...replacing an 860g WTB Prowler SL on the back.

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    Specialized Captain S-Works 2Bliss 2.0 620g, 597g
    Specialized Fast Trak 2.0 528g, 531g, 562g
    Maxxis Crossmark 2.1 613g
    WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55 782g, 778g

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienSP
    Specialized Captain S-Works 2Bliss 2.0 620g, 597g
    Specialized Fast Trak 2.0 528g, 531g, 562g
    Maxxis Crossmark 2.1 613g
    WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55 782g, 778g
    The Fast Trak on my previous post was LK S-Works 2Bliss. There are many variations of the same model by Specialized and they have left certain weights off their website this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienSP
    The Fast Trak on my previous post was LK S-Works 2Bliss. There are many variations of the same model by Specialized and they have left certain weights off their website this year.
    Thanks. I was able to guess that one based on the fact that it is one of the only tires Specialized does post a weight for. A post with complete information on the tire model is a rarity. I do my best to figure it out and keep the spreadsheet reasonable, but I can't always do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menzo
    I'm riding the Schwalbe Furious Fred 29x2.0 for two weeks

    319 grams and 354 grams

    Real size is not 2.0 but rather 1.8. They are no bigger than my Bontrager Jones XR 1.8.

    HELLA fast on hardpack, gravel, road, roots and grass. Avoid rocks or any terrain that can cause pinch flat because they are thin like road tires (actually I'd call them "high volume road tires with small knobs". Acceleration is INSANE compare to any other tires Rolling resistance is.... well it's like there is none . Increased my cruising speed by 3 mph.

    Need more speed. GET THEM !!!!
    I'm curious, You say it increased your cruising speed but if this was by a speedometer with magnetic imput would it not be affected by the somewhat smaller wheel diameter? If you are using a garmin gps then as Rosanne Roseannadanna would say, "nevermind"!

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    I'm curious, You say it increased your cruising speed but if this was by a speedometer with magnetic imput would it not be affected by the somewhat smaller wheel diameter?
    I use a wireless bike computer and every time I change the tires I adjust the wheel size in the computer. For example, the wheel circumference is 220 cm with Bontrager 1.8 but 226 cm with Maxxis ignitor 2.1 (just examples I don't remember the real numbers) so if I would ride a 26er the circumference could be 200 cm per rotation so the speed is always the same no matter the wheel size.

    I also use a heart rate monitor. When I say increase my cruising speed I mean that I rode the same loop several times with different tires and compared the heartbeats in different sections. At the same heartbeats I'm going faster with the Furious Fred than other tires or from another point of view at the same speed around the loop, my heartbeats are lower because the effort to turn the wheels is smaller.

    I wish I own a power tap to get more accurate numbers...

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    Kenda Small Block 8 29x2.1 - 2@ 575g
    Crow 29x2.0 @ 437g
    Raven 29x2.0 @ 559g
    Conti Raceking non blackchilli 29x2.2 @ 657g,649g

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    Conti Mountain King 29 x 2.2 @ 641g
    Maxxis Crossmark 29 x 2.1 @613g
    Bontrager XDX 29 x 2.1 @708g

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    anyone know the weight of the Continental Mountain King 29x2.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by scsamoyan
    anyone know the weight of the Continental Mountain King 29x2.4
    mtbtires.com_tire-specs

    Spreadsheet for this thread

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    sweet!! thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown
    Not to be a downer back at you, but this question is getting about as tiresome as is possible on every thread that the Raven or Crow is mentioned. All I can say is go buy a Crow, a Raven, a Vulpine, a Furious Fred or any other semi-slick XC race tire and give 'em a go. Then get back to us on what you discovered and found by running them. By the way, there are more tires in this category for 29"ers coming.

    Plenty of guys riding and racing semi-slick tires in the 26" and the 29" platforms who would beg to differ with your opinion as to how they could be considered a mountain bike tire.

    Toss a leg over a pair, take 'em out on your trails and get back to us. That's really the only way to answer the question.

    BB
    second this post......there traction is very suprisingly good and amazingly supple......great for hard tail

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    More Schwalbe Racing Ralph 29" 2.25 evo sidewalls. 568 & 576 grams a piece.

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    Swapped out tires today and made a world of difference.

    Here's what my scale tells me:

    Kenda Nevegals 2.2 wire bead: 925 grams
    Kenda Karmas 1.9 folding: 553 grams

    Dropped 2 lbs on my bike and it was noticably different on today's ride + the narrower width tightened up the sterring a bit. Those Nevegals were made for tanks.

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    Specialized Captain S-Works 2Bliss 2.0 581g
    Specialized Fast Trak S-Works 2Bliss 2.0 530g
    Specialized Captain Control 2Bliss 2.2 702g (thicker sidewalls than SWorks)

    Specialized has returned to publishing the weights again on the their website. Seems to fall within the actual numbers that I've weighed.

    Also general tire mfg info:
    http://mind42.com/pub/mindmap?mid=2e...9-edfff4b6be95

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    Bontrager 29-3 (TLR, 2.25", front-specific tread): 732g

    And so worth it. Cornering traction is phenomenal, and the sidewalls feel very burly. I do wish they would make a version of this tire with thinner, more pliable sidewalls for less rocky areas though.

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    Any recommendations for a 29" UST taht doesn't weigh a ton? Real UST, not tubeless ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDiamond
    Any recommendations for a 29" UST taht doesn't weigh a ton? Real UST, not tubeless ready.
    You're in luck! None of the UST tires weighs a ton! So many to choose from!
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    Thats funny. Anyone with a serious reply that contains some useful information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDiamond
    Any recommendations for a 29" UST taht doesn't weigh a ton? Real UST, not tubeless ready.
    ha! no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDiamond
    Thats funny. Anyone with a serious reply that contains some useful information?
    Just havin' some fun. UST tires weigh a lot because of the amount of material in them. Remember that UST is just Mavic's proprietary tubeless brand and was originally designed to run w/out sealant. Since most people running tubeless want the benefits of sealant (even in UST tires), more manufacturers are coming out with tubeless designs, though mostly designed to work with sealant, so much lighter than UST. Since you said you don't want 'tubeless ready', do you only want certified UST (licensed by Mavic to have 'UST' printed on them)?
    Mavic has done a fantastic job of marketing to get people to think that UST is the only 'real' tubeless tire... for a while it was, but many are catching up. I ride regular tires tubeless and it works incredibly well for me, but ain't for everyone (obviously).
    I think UST will have a hard time in the 29er platform because they are ridiculously heavy. They may even have a hard time competing with 'tubeless ready' tires on 26" because of the advent of sealant and the weight factor.
    There aren't too many UST 29er tires to start with, and I don't know of one that is under about 750g. Heck, even 26" UST tires w/some tread on them push 900(+)g!!
    I think only Geax, Michelin, and Hutchinson are licensed for UST and AFAIK Geax is the only mfr to actually make and market them... about four models. So, pick the lightest out of those... not a hard choice, I think you're looking at a Barro Race, which is a 2.0 XC tire w/out a ton of tread, and still weighs in at 740g (claimed).
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    Stan's no tubes Raven 29 2.2 >>525 grams

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDiamond
    Any recommendations for a 29" UST taht doesn't weigh a ton? Real UST, not tubeless ready.
    What meltingfeather says. There are only two or three 29er UST tires. Hutchinson, Geax, not sure about Michelin. They will be heavy. I have not used one, never will. The conversions and TLR work too well and I get 20+ tires to choose from and not 2. The only UST rims are the Mavic Crossmax 29er. Pretty limited choice from a company with a vested interest in keeping it that way.
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