I really enjoy the 29er chinese carbon rim thread but l didnt see anything for all mountain chinese wheels or rims. I'm looking for some 26in carbon all mountain rims that need to be wide, pretty light and strong to go on my Tracer2. Going through all the Asian carbon stores is big undertaking. That, and l dont fully understand everything about wheels. Are all the rims pretty much for xc if not can someone point me in the right direction
As you can see, everything was well packaged to prevent any moving or damaging, although no structural protection was provided. The package shipped on the 31st of August and got to my place (Maryland East Coast) on the 6th of September, my b-day being on the 7th, so it was a great gift to myself
If you have any questions about what you see in the pics, just ask me
David C - based on the pics the finish quality looks good. Did you happen to weight the hubs before you built up the wheels? I'm interested in a real world weight on those hubs.
Dave, unfortunately I only have a fishing scale here at the beach, so I couldn't get any weight confirmed. honestly I wouldn't sweat 10+/-gr difference, but LB has a nice weight chart on their site for all the hubs they can supply with their wheels, and they are the same as the Novatec website (211f/436r). However Nancy told me the rims I was sent were 380g and 381g and spokes should be 4.3g each, nipples being 20g for 32 of them, etc. I asked for light rims since I'm only 120# with gear and won't do anything more than AM with these.
My maths shows the complete wheelset without the skewers at 1700gr. So I'll see when I get a proper scale what the official weight.
The finish on the rims is great, but not fancy. The outside wall is smooth, but you can see the 3k wave going up and down and where they overlap the layers, the outside layer isn't one continuous layer, it's more like 3 or 4. The inside of the rim isn't smooth all around, but decent enough for proper use of the rim. At $170 a piece, you can't expect too much man labor to go on the inside detailing of these. Overall I don't get a "cheap" feeling when I look closely at them, they are rock solid, meet and exceeded some of my expectations regarding the final product in term of strength, stiffness and finition.
The hubs are obviously awfully heavy, but I can't afford to pay $400 more for a set of Hope and I'm fine with these too. I'm not very wealthy (I just turned 21 and I'm still on the student era), but I think it was worth the extra cash to go with these instead of a set of alloy wheels like the XT or even American Classic. Note that almost half my income goes on bike stuff
David, looks great. I still have my rims and Hope hubs sitting in my living room....no idea how to measure ERD yet if I don't have any extra spokes. Thus, can't order spokes. Sigh....yours looks awesome though!
Honestly, the best response I can give is flip a coin.
Nobody has any horror stories about the Tesla hubs, they're certainly much tougher than the standard Switch (which is a fairly cheap Joytech). Having said that the Hopes probably are slightly better hubs.
For the rims the Superstars are better quality, they're up there with the best that DT Swiss makes (and priced accordingly). I'd go as far as to rate their rims higher than Enves. But then the LB rims are half the price and fine too.
Whichever you pick I echo the sentiment of going for the wider option, neither is exactly heavy.
Honestly if you can afford it, go for the better quality ones. For a wheelset you'll be riding the next 10 years, $200 more isn't that big of a deal for piece of mind with customer service and warranty claims. Just go as wide as you can, you won't regret it.
Anyone able to help me out with a quick question. Nancy supplied me with the link for finding thwe required spoke lengths at prowheelbuilder. She told me for the rim ERD, you can key "518mm" and that for the hubs I should plug in my DT Swiss hubs. My issue is I can plug in the 110-20mm front hub but it does not have a selection for the 12-142 rear hub.
So my question is can anyone tell me how I would find out the length required for the rear hub spokes?
So when I put in a front 110-20mm DT Swiss hub and the 518 ERD Nancy gave me it gives me Left spoke length: 250.2, Right spoke length: 252. The rear gives me Left spoke length: 251.7, Right spoke length: 251.6. This site nancy gave me did not let me actually pick LB as a rim manufacture, does that matter? #1 Wheel Building SPOKE CALCULATOR Now Online | PROWHEELBUILDER
So if I am not using DT Swiss 240 straight pull spokes does that mean I actually have to buy 4 different length spokes or can I buy 252's and 251's? Do the spokes have to be the exact size?
Could the burliest LB wide rim handle a heavy hardtail AM rider?
Im 105kg, and ride a On-One 456Evo2.
Heavy trails, heavy rider, fast riding and lots of jumps.
How often and how badly do you dent rim sidewalls? The condern with any carbon rim is cracking them due to bottoming out the tire on rocks. While any impact that damages a carbon rim will damage an aluminum one the alloy can sometimes be repaired, cost half as much to replace, and take half as long to get a replacement. As for strength handling big radial and lateral loads, the 430g DH rim is probably stronger than any alloy rim. I haven't cracked one from bottoming out the tire so I can't say exactly how much force it would take* but I have heard it hitting a few times, even kinda hard once or twice. Some of those hits were hard enough that I think they would have put repairable dents in the alloy rims I've used. I don't think any hits were hard enough to have caved in the sidewall of an alloy rim making it unrepairable.
*I've seen pics of 2 cracked LB am rims and seen a few cracked Enve am rims in person so it's definitely a possiblity.
Any one order their new DH rims in the last month? I paid on September 3rd and they quoted me 13 days for production. It's now the 27th and I still haven't heard anything from them.
Second question is I want to move my current hubs over to the new wheels. Can I take the ERD from my old rim and subtract it from the new rim then add that to the spokes I pull off the old rim to get the approximate spoke length needed?
Example would be original rim ERD is 538 with 265mm spokes. New rim ERD is 518. So 518-538 = -20 / 2 = -10mm for each spoke or 255mm spokes needed.
Any one order their new DH rims in the last month? I paid on September 3rd and they quoted me 13 days for production. It's now the 27th and I still haven't heard anything from them.
That's too rough a guess and doesn't take into account the angle the spokes come from. Use the DT spoke calculator. Best to get your hub dimensions but you can measure if you can't find them.
For the rims, I bought mines in mid-august, they were ready end of august and shipped by the 31st. Maybe they did a run of other rims meanwhile and are getting back at manufacturing the DH ones now.
Also, I've been emailing a lot with Nancy and you have to give her a lot of credit for all her work. She's been sick I think 2 weeks ago and out of the office for a few days and told me that a lot of customers were angry not getting email replies meanwhile, and that she has to deal with the other departments (accounting, packaging, manufacturing, etc) too, to coordinate everything for each client. So far I've had a very positive experience with LB and Nancy, and I would simply suggest you give them a few days and not always expect a reply right away (although I often had replies within 30 minutes when I was up at 5am when it was 5pm over there).
I don't think they're about to run off with your money and even less try to screw you, they are making significant efforts to establish their brand name in the market and get a good reputation. So far they have been completely honest and helpful to me, and I've been in touch since last Christmas.
I got three flatspots, and one sidewall dint on my Ragley rims. They felt really weak, and I think the rims are abit light.
My DTSwiss EX500 got one flatspot, and in a jump i landed bad, and i bent the rim sidewas so bad that it didnt fit in the frame anymore.. This was because of a bad build, the nipples was stuck on 60% of the spokes.
I think i want to try carbon rims, i dont think they collapse?
Im not that afraid if the rim cracks, but if the collapse it could be bad!
Carbon isn't gonna collapse or "bend". It will crack or delaminate, but will require a tremendous amount of force to so, to a point where you would have other things to worry about first if you would crash that hard to break them.
Like I said earlier, I bought the DH ones in lightweight (380g), and the rim itself is very stiff if you try to bend it by hands or put your weight on it. Lelandjt has been running a set of the burly DH ones (430g) for a few DH competitions and couldn't damage them.
The only concern is the rim hitting the ground, so make sure you always have enough pressure.
I just got back from the Moab Enduro and my rims took quite a beating. I was riding kinda ragged on the Porcupine stage and at separate times heard both rims hit REALLY hard. Hard enough that I was listening and feeling for any sign of failure or air loss after those hits. After crossing the finish line I inspected both rims and while they had some fresh scratches on the clear coat they appear fine otherwise. These are AM rims in the 380 & 400g builds and I've been using them since January. I was running EXO 2.5 DHF and 2.4 Ardent at 29 & 33 psi.
Just got my complete wheelset (33mm DH rims with Hope hubs; 12x142 rear). Pictures cannot describe how beautiful these things are - don't have a scale handy, but boy are these light compared to my Stan's Flow EX - can't wait to get them mounted - it's like Xmas morning!
Just got my complete wheelset (33mm DH rims with Hope hubs; 12x142 rear). Pictures cannot describe how beautiful these things are - don't have a scale handy, but boy are these light compared to my Stan's Flow EX - can't wait to get them mounted - it's like Xmas morning!
Super slick!! I have the same rims and hubs sitting in my living room for weeks. Can't figure out how to measure ERD since I got them with no holes on rim bed. Mind if I ask what spokes you used and what lengths? Did you re-measure ERD at all or just use what LB gives us in the drawing?
Oh man, really? There must be a way you can get your hands on two, "junker" spare spokes somewhere. Do you have a local bike shop you can go to? They'll have "junk" spokes lying around. Or maybe a junk yard or Salvation Army store, what ever. There must be an old wheel somewhere you can steal two spokes from.
No, that particular rim I used to demonstrate was the 26" Wide AM rim.
Again, good luck, where you located? If you were close by I'd just send you the stuff in the mail to use.
Oh man, really? There must be a way you can get your hands on two, "junker" spare spokes somewhere. Do you have a local bike shop you can go to? They'll have "junk" spokes lying around. Or maybe a junk yard or Salvation Army store, what ever. There must be an old wheel somewhere you can steal two spokes from.
No, that particular rim I used to demonstrate was the 26" Wide AM rim.
Again, good luck, where you located? If you were close by I'd just send you the stuff in the mail to use.
Hey what's up Grant! It's Berry from Cali! What's up buddy? I was on this thread because I just ordered 2 of the All Mountain 33 wide rims when I saw your post and realized that it was you. I'm going to have these rims laced up to my Hope Pro2 EVO's so I cant wait to try them out. Are you coming out for Kernville? I want to go with my new ride, but I don't think I can make it. Work and my daughters soccer are both conflicting for that weekend.:madman: Oh well, next time. How do you like these rims? Did you notice a difference? I'm going to run them on my new Uzzi, that I just put on my 11-40 Leonardi cassette with my 20-32-42 so I can keep up with Troy on the climbs. It has 7" travel front and back, but only weighs 30lbs and rips both up and down.
Anyway, TTYL Berry:cornut:
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