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    Edmonton Riding - Summer 2011

    Seeing as how summer officially started a while back, I figured a new thread was warranted.

    Haven't been on the bike in three weeks due to weather and an injury, but got out this morning. Shouldv'e brought my camera. Next time.

    Highlights: Capilano boat launch is cratered like the moon, and has a visible crack that has split the ground wide open. Earthquake resemblance: 7/10. Well worth the visit just to have a look at what some water can do.

    Lots of trail errosion and lots of overgrowth since I was last out. Crazy how fast the trails can change in so little time.

    Bonus: no green catterpillars to be found!

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    After reading your post I had to go see the boat launch. I can`t believe how high the water was! There is lot`s of trail damage to anything that was low. It`s too bad, but I guess you have to expect it coming from a river...
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    I was out today and noticed that we have lost some of our trails. Mill Creek has lost trail into the creek and the piece west of the Dawson on the North side of the river also fell in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gord962 View Post
    I was out today and noticed that we have lost some of our trails. Mill Creek has lost trail into the creek and the piece west of the Dawson on the North side of the river also fell in.
    The Dawson Creek - is this the trail that has access off the paved trail just past the pedistrian bridge? This is the trail that's tight through the brush (watch out for homeless people!) and then super quick flow by residential houses? If so, that really sucks. I'm going to have to go check that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri View Post
    The Dawson Creek - is this the trail that has access off the paved trail just past the pedistrian bridge? This is the trail that's tight through the brush (watch out for homeless people!) and then super quick flow by residential houses? If so, that really sucks. I'm going to have to go check that out.

    Rode through it yesterday...
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    A jogger tsk-tsked at me on that Riverdale trail once - even though the signage was pretty inconclusive (it's only closed if you're heading east, but not west?), and if the trail was closed then they shouldn't have been on it either. But after that I decided to be a responsible trail user and skip the obviously eroded section right on the river. So I basically ride the twisty homeless section, hit the mup for 200m, and then back into the trees before the tireswing. I rode through on saturday and didn't even notice the collapse.

    And then I did a fairly nasty faceplant a little west of the goldbar footbridge. Just riding along on the gravel mup, picked a line between two trees, but didn't realize that one of them was wrapped in chicken wire. Noticed it way too late, and I was in way too close, and bam. Stupid invisible chickenwire.

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    Ok...I am not a future film maker by any stretch....but this should give you a flavor of the Ride to Conquer Cancer this year...



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    Everything is just so damp right now. When do the out-of-town racers typically start showing up for the Canada Cup?

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    ^ I think you'll see some vans down at the Kinsmen tennis court parking lot about 4-5 days before the event, so next Tuesday/Wednesday.

    Got out today for a spin. Pictures to follow.

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    Random shots from Wednesday night. Some random dude; what happens when people ride bikes and widen the ST as they don't want to get muddy; Capilano boat launch; mud slide where a trail used to be; River Queen; a billion mosquitoes (not pictured)




















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    ^ are those last few shots from east of the boat launch, or from somewhere else? (trails all kindof looks the same after awhile)

    The trail from Keilor to Hawrelak has seen some pretty severe shifting recently. It hasn't all collapsed into the river (yet?), but a couple of new drops have opened up. The instability extends pretty far back into the trees.

    And I took advantage of the brief sun yesterday to take a quick trip down to the new Ft Ed pedestrian bridge at lunch:


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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    ^ are those last few shots from east of the boat launch, or from somewhere else? (trails all kindof looks the same after awhile)
    Last two shots are east of the River Queen, and are past the wire fence. I like to think of this trail as the pump track (many, many rolling bumps that you can pump your bike through and along).

    The shot with the tread marks from the caterpillar that went through to grade the MUT is right next to the capilano boat launch, west side. It's the trail that is just below the pavillan area.

    Nice find on the deer. I've only seen two deer in the river valley. One was in Mill Creek at 5am and the other one was in Terwilliger, at a more respectible time of 7am.

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    I saw a coyote in Mill Creek the other day. He was running way to fast too get a picture, I would imagine it would have freaked out some little dog owners if they saw it.
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    I've seen a coyote once this year in Mill Creek as well; early spring. I wouldn't be surprised if he/she lives there. Again, an early morning sighting.

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    Warning, non-bike content!

    Seeing how crappy the weather here in Edmonton is, I thought I'd post something different. Here are some random pics I took while backpacking Mount Robson with my wife last weekend.


    Whitehorn campsite suspension bridge over the Robson River. One person at a time with a definite cool factor to it.


    Coming out of Robson from Emporer Falls. You don't know what a hill is until you hike this 5km long hill up and down. Add a backpack and it was a 2.0 hour torture fest up and 1.5 hour torture fest down two days later. It's five days later and my thighs are still sore.


    The view out of our tent at Emporer Falls. The river is damn loud, but in a soothing relaxing way.


    Robson Glacier, on the backside of Mount Robson with Berg Lake. 21km from the parking lot at this point. No toursists up here!


    Same glacier, different angle.


    Yes, the crazy rain we've had here in Edmonton is evident here too. You can see that the lake has flooded about 17 meters and has almost taken over a tent site.


    One km stretch cut into the side of the mountain with random strangers heading back to Emporer Falls. A very cool stretch of the hike, but have to watch your footing as the trail is all loose rock slabs.


    Mount Robson, as seen from our tent vestibule.


    Avalanche area, and yes, that white stuff is snow still left over from winter. Current temperature when we took this picture was about 24 Celcius. Carnage up the mountain, a cleared path, and carnage down the mountain. A definite WTF moment until we saw the snow.


    Mount Robson, from a toursist viewpoint.


    Total backpacking distance about 42km. Total number of steps per my pedometer about 71,000. Only wildlife observed - park ranger horses, squirrels, and three porcupines. Saw a bear outside of Hinton, but thankfully no bear or bear scat on the trail. No rain during the day, but poured at night. Lots of fibreous mud, 80%+ humidity, and a nice break from the Edmonton crapfest that has so far been our summer.

    ....and now back to the Edmonton, not so much riding thread.....

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    Canada Cup running today down at Kinsmen. What a s1ht fest that is. Guys on one lap are already covered in mud, can't see their drivetrain, and are pushing/carrying their bikes through the mud infested course. No camera on today's ride, but the Canada Cup course is going to be beat to a pulp by the end of the day. Kudos to those who didn't say f-it after one lap, I know I would of.

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    Nice pictures..we were camping there last weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri View Post
    Canada Cup running today down at Kinsmen. What a s1ht fest that is. Guys on one lap are already covered in mud, can't see their drivetrain, and are pushing/carrying their bikes through the mud infested course. No camera on today's ride, but the Canada Cup course is going to be beat to a pulp by the end of the day. Kudos to those who didn't say f-it after one lap, I know I would of.


    I don't get it. mtb clubs/riders in Edmonton are always trying to promote trail preservation/maintenance and a part of that has always been to encourage riders not ride when trails are wet to prevent forming ruts and destroying trails but all of a sudden when its Canada Cup XC its okay. Again, I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyjr View Post
    I don't get it. mtb clubs/riders in Edmonton are always trying to promote trail preservation/maintenance and a part of that has always been to encourage riders not ride when trails are wet to prevent forming ruts and destroying trails but all of a sudden when its Canada Cup XC its okay. Again, I don't get it.
    It's a "Canada Cup" race. You have riders from across the country coming to Edmonton to do this race. It's actually a pretty big and significant event. You can't upheave the race day and put a lot of riders in chaos with travel plans (airplane flights, hotels, etc). The race is a go, rain or shine. Points are on the line, elite riders are here, etc. It's not just the locals that are racing here.

    It it was a local event (like the Perogy XC), then yes, the event could be postponed. The Perogy got postponed until near the end of August due to the rain (it was set for a mid-July race at the Strathcona Science Park), but it's a local event and although not ideal, rescheduling is possible and for this event, was actually done.

    For trail conservation, this race will actually be a better trail "conservation" event than what the local riders have done to the trail system this past month. This is a designated race with a designated course. These guys don't go out of their way to avoid a mud puddle. The guys that go out of their way to avoid a mud puddle are the ones that take a single track and widen it to a double track due to not staying on the trail. I see this everywhere in our river valley this year. The Canada Cup course will have some huge ruts on it when the weather drys up, but at least the trail damage will be on the trail itself, unlike the rest of the trail damage/trail widening that is happening elsewhere.

    The trail damage sucks, no doubt, but it'll be much easier to restore than other areas of the city. When the leaves fall is when you'll see the true extent of this past summer's rain.

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    Agreed - damage was mainly isolated to the east end of the course. Unfortunately some lines on the ridgelines may never be restored. The groups that have been participating on the trail maintenance days are working on preventing trail widening and trying to restore areas where trails have widened because LOCALS are too worried about riding through a mud puddle.
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    I hit most of the CC course on the way home tonight, and was surprised what good shape it's in. The techy section right below scona road definitely took the worst of it - it's basically shredded, and it's still mucky, and I walked through most of it. But everywhere else was pretty dry, with maybe a few new brake bumps or muddy divots. Considering how bad the conditions were I was expecting a lot more damage, but for the most part I could barely even tell that there'd been a race.

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    ^this is good news to hear, thanks for the update.

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    Yeah, I'd stay away from the east section right below scona rd/sask dr for awhile. They've added some ladders in a few of the bad spots, but it was just no fun and racing must have stunk. The other eastern stuff that's between the river and the paved trail (that got pretty beaten up last year) is in pretty good shape aside from a puddle or two that haven't drained. And the Queen E, kinsmen and U stuff is all fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    Yeah, I'd stay away from the east section right below scona rd/sask dr for awhile. They've added some ladders in a few of the bad spots, but it was just no fun and racing must have stunk. The other eastern stuff that's between the river and the paved trail (that got pretty beaten up last year) is in pretty good shape aside from a puddle or two that haven't drained. And the Queen E, kinsmen and U stuff is all fine.
    ya, that how it looked during the race as well. West Coast Trail and Pigs Back took the worst of the punishment and were for the most part unrideable. Everything else I was able to ride other than a few climbs that were a bit too greasy.
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    Wow jkirkpatri I love the glacier pics! Too bad we dont have any of those in Edmonton :P

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    More trail collapses:

    Upper Ewok could no longer exist shortly. The downhill/sidehill section has fallen a bit - it is still rideable if you have some DH skillz or like drops to thin, sketchy landings, otherwise it is now a walking section. Past that, you can see a very noticeable 'fault line' where the trail is quite obviously going to fall away.

    The DH section on the far south end of Ewok is continuing to evolve - a new drop into the last hill sure increases the thrill of that trail!

    All the trails west of the university were in great shape last night, other than West Coast Trail. There were only a few puddles on most trails but I suspect that the rain last night will set us back a few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gord962 View Post
    The DH section on the far south end of Ewok is continuing to evolve - a new drop into the last hill sure increases the thrill of that trail!
    That's the run that connects mid/upper ewok to lower? I haven't been down there since everything was underwater. Any idea if lower ewok is even kindof rideable?

    Should be a pretty crummy long weekend for riding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    That's the run that connects mid/upper ewok to lower? I haven't been down there since everything was underwater. Any idea if lower ewok is even kindof rideable?

    Should be a pretty crummy long weekend for riding...
    Nope - it's the piece that starts at the very top - it drops in from the chain link fence. It empties at the MUT just past where the regular upper Ewok joins the MUT.
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    ^ Hmmm. I think that's a new one for me, then. I know the other downhill/sidehill section that's collapsing, but Ewok's got so many options that I guess I have to do some more exploring.

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    There is a lot of the upper portions of Ewok that won't be there in a few years. When I took the DT through a little over a month ago, things were considerably different from the last time I took the Cake through (say 1 yr difference). That slope is extremely active and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the existing upper Ewok is wiped out by slides in the coming couple years.

    I think I may need to take the DT out tomorrow for a longer spin on the trails...maybe Mill Creek for a run out to the Fort Edmonton foot bridge then maybe try some of the north side stuff from Beauna Vista back...we'll see. It'll be pretty long considering the weather and house have kept me off the bike for a lot of this month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho Mike View Post
    There is a lot of the upper portions of Ewok that won't be there in a few years. When I took the DT through a little over a month ago, things were considerably different from the last time I took the Cake through (say 1 yr difference). That slope is extremely active and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the existing upper Ewok is wiped out by slides in the coming couple years.

    I think I may need to take the DT out tomorrow for a longer spin on the trails...maybe Mill Creek for a run out to the Fort Edmonton foot bridge then maybe try some of the north side stuff from Beauna Vista back...we'll see. It'll be pretty long considering the weather and house have kept me off the bike for a lot of this month.
    The way the weather has been the last couple of years it's going to change the look of pretty much the whole valley. Alot of sections have fallen into the river already. I was in Ewok the other day and had to exit as the trails turned to snot I think your right about the slope changing.

    I'm just heading out. Albeit a little later then I wanted to head out but I was planning on pretty much the same route, maybe I'll see ya out there...
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    One of the guys I work with said that once upon a time the low route from Buena Vista to Mackinnon had a whole boardwalk or something? He wasn't talking about the one that runs up mckenzie ravine, but was saying that it was north of there in the section that's now closed. Anyone know how long ago that was?

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    ^ if I remember correctly, that was about 15-20 years ago. A long, long time ago.

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    ^ thanks. I was wondering if it was wiped out in the mid-80's flood, or if it was around later than that. It sounds like later? It's too bad that the drainage is so crappy on the trail through there.

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    Well, yesterday's ride was...wet. After the Friday afternoon showers, it was plain nasty in some areas. Mill Creek wasn't too bad (MUTs were good, ST was moderately wet), but some spots were very wet (I walked them to try to avoid damaging the trail). I didn't do below Sask Drive (thanks for the notes) but I did the Queen E park singletrack, which was pretty good.

    Kinsmen was in good shape, as were the MUTs through to Keillor Road. Upper Keillor is an absolute bog...to the point that parts are virtually impassable right now (avoid it!). Based on upper, I didn't do lower Keillor. Patricia Ravine was pretty good on the MUTs, but I laid off the single track.

    And in case anyone needs to know, the 75 Street and Whyte Ave Mickey D's drive-through can be gone through on a bike (I had to re-fill the hydration pack )

    It was a fun ride, but the DT is now brown (though it handles stairs exceptionally well when in its slack setting, I must say) and needs a bath. My riding gear is also brown, so it's going in the wash. Hopefully we'll get some nice warm weather for a bit and it'll dry things out a hair.
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    Sick of the rain! Enough already!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spadmike View Post
    Sick of the rain! Enough already!
    Hey, could be worse...
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    Actually, there are a lot more of the "Warning: Trail Erosion Ahead" signs out there. Heck, a part of Millcreek north of 76th (just a little north of the new bit they put in a couple years ago) has let go and it has cut to the MUT. We've had some serious water this year and the trails are showing it
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    On Sunday it was noticed that the trail NW of Keilor Road has shifted significantly and plenty of fault lines to be found as well. Surprisingly, the lower trail was mostly rideable other than where the river would obviously wash away the trail but you can still get through the spring 'bypass' area. There was only one real large mud hole and as I smashed through the center of it I think I lost sight of my hubs! There were a few other muddy spots on the odd corner, but it was surprisingly rideable. A few bridges would keep you from having to dismount other than 1 spot where you have to hike-a-bike.
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    The Groat Road Rollercoaster is nice and rideable (at least until tonight's inevitable rain...). There are a few mudholes in inconvenient places, but other than that it's in good shape with no faultlines or anything. The stuff above mackinnon is also in pretty good shape, but at the west end there are some giant mudholes that just aren't draining.

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    Saw a deer on Victoria Secret tonight, which was kindof a surprise. Hope it knows where it's going. The vegetation along there is pretty crazy, and there's a few sections where it's tough to see the trail. Other than that it's in good condition, but don't expect to go very fast.

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    Rode it two nights ago. If it was not for the guys ahead of me I would have had a hard seeing the trail at times.

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    ^ there's that one spot with all those 5' high thistles? My forearms are just a mass of scratches.

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    Not sure if this has been asked but just wondering, what do you think the perfect Edmonton bike would be? 26 er hard tail, 29er, xc full sus? I am thinking about a Rocky Mountain element, kona Cadabra or a 29er hardball? What do you all think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spadmike View Post
    Not sure if this has been asked but just wondering, what do you think the perfect Edmonton bike would be? 26 er hard tail, 29er, xc full sus? I am thinking about a Rocky Mountain element, kona Cadabra or a 29er hardball? What do you all think?
    I ride a 29er and I'll never go back. Too many advantages over a 26er from this rider's perspective. Check out the 29er forum for information overload. I ride a 2009 GF Paragon. We don't have enough nasty stuff to make my hardtail obsolete; however, I am considering a new 29er fully for next year for sh1ts and giggles

    Ride report: Kinsmen, Old Timer's Cabin, and McKinnon Ravine are all in superb shape. A few mud puddles at the end of rooty trail and that's it for mud that we saw last night. Some slick spots on the Canada Cup course here and there (mostly the east side of the course).

    Rooty trail is whack a mole with your arms and face (brush), but nothing too bad. Three scratched on my arm, some greenery in my front teeth (serves me right for not having my mouth closed), and only one rider crash - thankfully not me this time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spadmike View Post
    Not sure if this has been asked but just wondering, what do you think the perfect Edmonton bike would be? 26 er hard tail, 29er, xc full sus? I am thinking about a Rocky Mountain element, kona Cadabra or a 29er hardball? What do you all think?
    Rigid 29er single speed! I ride everything in Edmonton on mine No pivots to replace, no fork to rebuild, no derailleurs to adjust and no cables to replace!

    The debate of 26 vs. 29 will go on forever BUT keep in mind that most manufacturers are dropping their mid to high end 26 HT and replacing them with a 29 version. That being said, 26 FS is still WAY more popular than the 29 FS. Which is better? It comes down to rider preference. I own 3 29ers (2 hard tails, 1 rigid) but just because it is the better bike for me doesnít make them the right bike for everyone.

    Same goes for HT vs. FS - completely up to each individual and their comfort level. Riding Bob Sled last night on my rigid was no where near as fun as it would have been bombing it on a FS, but there are very few trails where I have to be on the brakes on my rigid. That being said, I still caught some dude on a FS bike coming down Bob Sled so I guess I can still carry quite a bit of speed through there!

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    Gord, you don't race the rigid ss do you? I took mine down bobsled last night too, and was pleasantly reminded how capable and fun it is. I still like having a 26" hardtail, but riding my 29er over the rooty section of Mackinnon I realized how much easier the big wheels are on that stuff. I actually have to plan pedalstrokes and weightshifts with the geared 26er, but with the rigid ss 29er I can be so much lazier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spadmike View Post
    Not sure if this has been asked but just wondering, what do you think the perfect Edmonton bike would be? 26 er hard tail, 29er, xc full sus? I am thinking about a Rocky Mountain element, kona Cadabra or a 29er hardball? What do you all think?
    Wheweee!! You've had the can opener going for this one

    The 26er vs 29er debate is one that will go on forever and a day, IMO. I ride a 'cross bike (700c rigid) and a fs 26er...so here are my thoughts...

    1) There isn't much around town that can't be ridden on a hardtail bike. I think a 29er hardtail has a bit of an advantage over a 26er on the roots...but if you're a smaller person, they can be a bit harder to get to carve in the tighter areas.

    2) FS bikes are a different beast than hardtails and take a little bit to get used to. They have some advantages in rear wheel tracking and traction, but as Gord mentioned, they are also higher maintenance.

    If you could only have one bike for riding just in Edmonton and you're 5'6" or better, I'd say a 29er hardtail is all you'd need. As I plan on hitting stuff in the mountains and having one "do it all" bike for off-road, I went for a fs 26er. YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    Gord, you don't race the rigid ss do you?
    I have only raced my 'racing' bike (vertex 29er SE) 3 times this year - the other 7 races I have done have been on the rigid SS. The time I lose on the really rooty downhills is by far exceeded by the time I make up on the climbs. The only time I can't make up is the flats.

    I have only ridden my Vertex about 8 times this year, including races. I won't ever be without a geared HT as there are a few races that require gears and suspension and I would also take it with me to the mountains. But for riding around Edmonton, the rigid SS is my bike of choice. When I do sell my Vertex, it will be replaced by a 1 or 2 x 10 29er HT.
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    HT 29er's are great for Edmonton trails. I really like how the 29er keeps the momentum going over my previous 26er FS bikes. Going back to riding HT alone is an amazing feeling after being on FS for awhile, however if you are the type that sits and mashes through all the rough stuff even a 29er HT will knock the sh_t out of you and better off staying on a FS. I personally find 29er FS overkill and most of the ones available currently are heavy as tanks.

    On a side note I rode Canada Cup > Kinsmen > Emily Murphy > McKinnon Ravine > Bobsled > Victoria Secret. All great except for few mud holes and Victoria Secret trail which is usually quite fun but lately it sucks sh_t as someone mentioned earlier that its overgrown in thistle and brush all over the face. You literally have to pop a pack of Reactine or bring a Epi pen with you thats how itchy/uncomfortable/bad it is.
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    On the way home I hit the section of the canadacup route that's just below scona road, and it's in decent shape. It's still torn up, but it's basically dry. And I still suck at it.

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    *Shudder* Mowed the lawn tonight and had a look at the DT (banished from the house by Mrs. Psycho until cleaned)...egad it's dirty! I'll have to try to hose it off tomorrow but I'll need to figure out how to get inches thick mud off
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    Went on an excellent two hour group ride last night which included spadmike and jkirkpatri from the Kinsmen to the Capilano and almost every piece of ST in between on each side of the river! Trails are in magnificent condition - only the occasional wet spot due to poor drainage. What isn't good is the height of all the grass and weeds, especially on the north side of the river between Cloverdale bridge and Capilano bridge.

    There is a new ladder bridge out - just south of the river boat launch in the single track over the tree that has been down for a while. It is just after the left turn before you go down the small hill as you head twoards the Cloverdale bridge.
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    I did a nice long ride last night too, and hit Millcreek for the first time since maybe June. Lots of changes in there. And it's weird to see how much water is still flowing through there, since a lot of the time it's more of a wetpatch than an actual creek.

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    Also hit lower Keillor at lunch today for the first time this year, and it's really nice right now. It's still not the flowiest riding, but there are no giant mudbogs, the river is low and slow, and the silt/sand is firm enough to play around on. Just a great spot to take a breather for a few minutes.

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    Pre-rode the Perogy XC course which will be held at Sun Ridge Ski Hill/Strathcona Science Park on August 21. Other than the extremely high grass, the course is in excellent condition. We will be getting out there this weekend the knock down the grass along the course and marking will take place next week. This is a very cool venue for a race as the park is not heavily used like the other Edmonton race venues. The feedzone will be located at the very top of the ski lift which will be a great place to watch the race from as you can see a lot of the action from up there. The climbs at Sun Ridge are the toughest in Edmonton and include riding from the bottom of the hill right to the top where the lift is. Come on out on the 21st to see some great racing and cheer the athletes on. There are always volunteer positions open as well and they don't require much work other than to sit in a lawn chair.
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    Got out for a bit. Canada Cup course and Mill Creek. Ride cut short as riding buddy went OTB in Mill Creek and damn near knocked himself out. Bike is okay, rider will be okay

    Old Timer's and Kinsmen area all in superb shape, as is Mill Creek. Some ruts that were not there a year ago, but that's to be expected with our rainy summer.

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    I did upper/mid/lower ewok today. Lower is in really good shape, but all the little ladders are gone. Did they wash away, or get moved to the CC course? Either way, they're not actually needed because it's almost completely dry.

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    Rode the last two days. North side of the river (not sure if there is a name for this trail) down to capilano and the new trail as well as Ewok forest. Great shape! Unfortunately, my back went screwy. I pulled a muscle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    I did upper/mid/lower ewok today. Lower is in really good shape, but all the little ladders are gone. Did they wash away, or get moved to the CC course? Either way, they're not actually needed because it's almost completely dry.
    Good to hear that the lower trail is rideable again. I would suspect that the ladder bridges were washed away as I'm pretty sure that the entire trail was part of the river a month ago.

    Got out with Gord962 and two other RVC riders to do some trail maintenance for the Perogy race next weekend. Four and half hours later, the course looks pretty good. Even the most casual rider will notice the trails that have been trimmed for the course. Lots of tree branches have been cut back to make the single track more flowing and rideable instead of a bush wacking venture.

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    What was going to be a short Mill Creek to Kinsmen jaunt turned into a Mill Creek, Ewok, "new trail south of Capilano bridge", and hell, I even made it out to the Stratchcona Science Park and rode the Perogy XC course. Trails are, dare I say, dry and dusty! Favourable trail conditions allowed me to clean some sections never cleared before. Weather was great and mosquitoes were not a factor tonight.

    You can really tell where we did the trail maintenance at the Strathcona Science Park. Almost biffed it on a downhill turn due to some loose rocks rolling my front tire out. Single track through the trees that previiously whacked my head with branches are now thankully branch-free, allowing you to focus on the trail instead of where the next branch slap is coming from. Shorter riders might not notice a difference but us taller riders sure willl.

    Not too many other riders out. Sun is going down fast now. Spotted one drug deal going down in Rundle Park and two teenage kids drinking their dad's stolen beer in Mill Creek. One larger group in Mill Creek on the way back, but other than that, trails were quiet.

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    Nice night ride on Sat. Did Mill Creek, some of the bits down near the Edmonton Queen and worked my way down to the High Level Bridge before heading home (just testing out a demo saddle...needed a little jaunt to see if it would do ok for the man bits).

    It was a good ride.... hit 40 km/h coming down the hill to Muttart, nice ladder west of the Cloverdale bridge (though going down would have been more enjoyable)...all sorts of good stuff in the dark

    Only moment was in Mill Creek...there has been a big slump south of 76 Ave and they have the MUT closed...it's at the 1st curve going south where you were actually along the creek (it was fairly high abov the creek itself).
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    CAUTION!!! If you are riding Treasure Island, some jackass has bent over the angle iron that was up against the bank so that the iron was bent over the trail. This is on the section just west of where the trail has eroded and it is essentially a wall ride. I bent it back as best as possible but if you are hugging the wall a bit close you could easily clip your shoulder, bars or even your hand. FYI, Treasure Island is the trail that goes over the outfall section just East of the old QE Park maintenance area. The far north east section of the Canada Cup course uses the far east section of Treasure Island.
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    On a side note I rode Canada Cup > Kinsmen > Emily Murphy > McKinnon Ravine > Bobsled > Victoria Secret. All great except for few mud holes and Victoria Secret trail which is usually quite fun but lately it sucks sh_t as someone mentioned earlier that its overgrown in thistle and brush all over the face. You literally have to pop a pack of Reactine or bring a Epi pen with you thats how itchy/uncomfortable/bad it is.[/QUOTE]

    Hey Guys,

    New to the forum and first year on the rivervalley trails. Most of my rides have been in the McKinnon/McKenzie ravines and my latest fixation is the Bobsled (old news to most here). I've never heard of Victoria Secret and was wondering where I'd find it?

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    Thanks for the tip, Gord. It's weird because I rode through there last night at around 6, and didn't notice anything. Not sure if you got there before me, or if I'm just not very observant.

    But as I was leaving the area (heading east>west towards the maintenance area) a woman on a cross bike was heading the other way towards the outfall. I know cyclocross is all about hike-a-biking, but I was really tempted to turn around to see how she handled that trail, going uphill, on those tiny little tires. I'm sure I would have been schooled.

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    Hank, you can get to Victoria Secret from here (there's an entrance right next to the bridge, and another about 50' further south) or here (take the stairs down to the landing and head west). It's pretty overgrown, though. The rollercoaster is a better bet, and you can get to it here (video here)

    edited to add:

    Actually, Victoria Secret is in pretty decent shape. A lot of the weeds have died off in the last week or two.
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    Just got back from a backpacking trip. Will add non-bike related photos over the weekend. How'd the Perogy XC race go last Sunday???

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    Awesome. Thanks newfangled. I think I've done the Groat Rollercoaster but coming from the opposite direction. There were streches in that one that were pretty greasy back when I was on it back in the monsoon season. I'll have to give it another shot starting at Connaught.

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    It's not exactly singletrack, but I did a shoreline ride from the Groat boat launch west to the Hawrelak pedestrian bridge. It's pretty rough for the first km, with a lot of hiking and a fair bit of wading. Once you get to around here though, it's pretty good. From there the shoreline is continuous, and it's a nice rocky ride to the pedestrian bridge with a just few little hike sections.

    Also rode from Laurier dog park north to Mackinnon, including the low section of trail that is closed/collapsed. It's in about as good condition as it ever gets - still weirdly mucky, with a bunch of really sketchy skinnies, and a few hike sections.

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    Perogy was good, but H.O.T. All laps were cut (2/3/3/4) and I think everyone was done in under 1.5 hours. Hinton this past weekend was phenomenal. I can't say enough good things about the course and I am already looking forward to provincials out there next year.
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    ^ would Hinton be a worthwhile day trip?

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    Hinton is a great day trip. We have done it a few times this year. Its a great place for everything from a XC race built bike. To a full out DH bike. I like to take my freeride / AM bike as we like hitting slope wars, flow master, the drop zone and DJ's. The last time I was there the trails were not marked to well and its easy to hit the wrong trail head. If your into technical stunts (gap jumps, large structures, skinnys) Take the time to ride up to the start of Just Giver. Fast with lots of stunts to session on. After your done head into town and after the curve take your 2nd left and hit this little coffee cafe for a brew and some good food.

    We are heading out on saturday with a small group. Cya there

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    Thanks for the info, Reign rider. I'll have to check it out, but possibly not this weekend.

    House chores or bike....bike! Mill Creek has some City of Edmonton enviromental signs up on one single track section. Not sure what the impact on the environment is (I've been told "frog ponds"), but whatever. Mill Creek is in super riding shape and with the leaves starting to turn and the hip high weeds starting to wilt, it'll only get better as September comes through. Scared three teenagers smoking it up at the bottom of the steep drop in just north of the Mill Creek upper parking lot. Guess with their enhanced perception, I looked more like a freight train coming down the chute than just some guy on a white bike.

    Did Canada Cup course. One huge ass log accross the trail west of Kinsmen. East of Kinsmen is all good. Did some Old Timer Cabin runs as well. You can tell that Parks and Recreation has been out (or somebody) as there is some fallen trees removed from the trails and certain trail sections have been blocked off to force riders to take a prechosen route. Get out and ride the areas and you'll notice the few changes right away.

    Hooked up with two random dudes. One had a hardtail 29er so as far as I was concerned, he and I would get along great as I'm on a HT 29er as well. Other dude had a Surly Pugsley with the monster tires. We hit Ewok from multiple angles and drop ins and Ewok is in great riding shape as well.

    Won't be long before night riding becomes a reality. Hope to get my Magic Shine recall batteries soon, but not looking good until December sometime.

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    I found the same tree you did - it's the first single track section after the 2nd climb from the start of the CC course. It isn't something that can be moved by 1 or 2 ppl - a chainsaw will be required for this monster!

    Noah would have been the guy on the Pugsley. Chris is the other who would have been riding a Viner29. Edmonton is such a small MTB community.
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    I think those reroutings in the area around the Old Timers' Cabin were done by the folks from Hardcore bikes? Before the CC race they built a bridge in there, filled in some low spots, and blocked some routes off (unless there's been some even newer changes since the weekend)

    It looks like council will probably approve the condo rezoning for the Clifton Place area, right across from Original Joes and above Victoria Secret. It probably won't get started for a few years, and it should stay mostly above the bank, but they're talking about putting in a viewpoint so there will probably be some changes to the trail or access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    I think those reroutings in the area around the Old Timers' Cabin were done by the folks from Hardcore bikes? ... and blocked some routes off (unless there's been some even newer changes since the weekend)....
    I've seen the work that they did and it's possible that the block off route was from them and I just didn't remember seeing it back then. FWIW, I think that they did a good job and I like the new bridge they put up.

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    Went for a spin tonight to test out a new saddle. I did a loop from work, down to Hawrelak from Sask. Drive (a few puddles, but so well packed it was really fast rolling), across to Melton (somewhat greasy), Roller Coaster (also greasy, my tires packed up after a bit and some of the steeper off-camber stuff was hell) through Victoria Secret (again, a bit greasy which made some of the roots a bit more challenging) and then back to work.

    Overall a good ride, but I'll have to try it again when it hasn't rained off and on for the previous 24 hrs.
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    Hot, hot, hot! Singe track is fast, those little fly clouds are everywhere, and the heat cut my ride short by a good 15km. Lots of "Environmentally Unsafe" white signs starting to pop up at the trailheads of popular single track trails. River is super low, low enough that you can see the bottom all the way across the Gold Bar pedistrian bridge.

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    Yeah, this may actually make up for the crappy july.

    I wish those environmentally unstable signs were more specific. Or...I wish they just copied what's on the trail south of Mackinnon - "this trail is out so proceed at your own risk." Close trails indefinitely - like middle-ewok, the one by Riverdale that just collapsed, Keillor, and north of Keillor - and people will just ignore it anyway. And I assume the city doesn't have any intention of fixing them, or even the ability to fix them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    Yeah, this may actually make up for the crappy july.

    I wish those environmentally unstable signs were more specific. Or...I wish they just copied what's on the trail south of Mackinnon - "this trail is out so proceed at your own risk." Close trails indefinitely - like middle-ewok, the one by Riverdale that just collapsed, Keillor, and north of Keillor - and people will just ignore it anyway. And I assume the city doesn't have any intention of fixing them, or even the ability to fix them.
    Nah...they have every intention of fixing them....but they are such a low priority that who knows when they'll get done.

    My search for a saddle has come to an end...I've tried a bunch after my Lazer V gave up the ghost and I made my decision last night. Hopefully that means the next time I get a chance to do Melton-Roller Coaster - Victoria's Secret I'll be able to do it non-greasy and comfy
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