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    Edmonton, Fall, Winter 13

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    I think it's time to retire the Spring thread as it is October in just a few days. The last couple posts there was reference to the dynamic trail conditions out there lately. I concur, it's awesome out there, this is the best time of the year to ride a bike. Post some picks, give some advice, ask some questions. That's what these Edmonton threads are all about.
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    Where can I find a trail like this?

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    Colorado is my guess.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Got out with Hardcore last night. Trails were in primo shape. Any rain that we had on Sunday was instantly sucked up by the trails. Ride went through Dirty Mattress, Old Timer's, Victoria's Secret, Route 66, down through Laurier Park, over to the Equine Centre. No mud, no mosquitoes, no dangling green worms, and the trails are easily 50% wider due to the falling leaves.

    Had some ice crystals in the air that were on the verge of turning to snow or rain at about 8:30pm, but whatever cloud was generating those crystals moved on. Weather was good. Spooked the horses at the Equine Centre (not on purpose, but moving lights in the dark, bzzzzz of rear hubs is going to spook the animals).

    Coyotes were howling around 7:30 down by the Kinsmen.

    All in all, great ride! Night riding is pretty cool in a larger group.

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    Yep, that's Colorado. Not a heck of a lot of Edmonton Fall videos out there of that quality...

    I got as close to a coyote as I could in Terwillegar yesterday. I would move 5 yards towards him and he would move 20 away. Lots of people with off leash small dogs who didn't even notice him, it was kinda funny. He seemed more interested in me and the mice he was trying to catch.
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    What are the red posts in Terwillegar?

    Hi, does anyone know what those red posts in terwillegar are for?
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    No idea what those posts are for.

    Got yesterday for probably the best day of riding this year when you consider trail conditions, temperature, trail coverage, etc (sorry, Ken). You'd be hard pressed to know that it rained last Monday to Wednesday. Trails were in great shape. No wet mud, no wet leaves, no wet roots, and no dust.

    Dirty Mattress, Canada Cup, Old Timers, Rowland, Andres Climb, Upper and Mid Ewok all in superb shape. Tonight's group ride should be excellent too!

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    Yeah, I went out on friday at lunch at it was slimy and gross, and I was pretty worried for the weekend. But by the ride home that night things had dried up nicely, and it was a pretty good weekend.

    There are a few of those red posts around the valley. My favourite is right next to the Keillor slide. I assume they're a power connection fed from a storm tunnel somewhere, but I really have no idea.

    I've been rocking dropbars on my 29er for the last week. It's kindof a goofy setup (needing a 35deg stem, and I'm still super stretched out) but it's definitely an interesting experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroderby View Post
    Hi, does anyone know what those red posts in terwillegar are for?
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    They have the same posts out by my parents place outside of the city. Out there they are used for taking ground water samples because there is an abandoned garbage dump and they want to know what is leeching into the ground water from all the buried garbage. The posts go about 20ft deep.

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    Last night's group ride was great. Trail conditions superb. We got caught in the rain, but didn't really impact the riding until we hit Old Timer's around 8:30pm. The rain made things a bit slick, but not too slick.

    Came across couple of teenagers getting it on in Ewok. I guess next time, they'll be sure to do their business OFF the path not ON the path!

    One guy broke his chain, so that's two Monday night rides with a rider breaking a chain on each night.

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    A few years ago I was riding under the bridge to Strathcona Science Park and came across a pick up truck with a guy chewing down on his female partner. They sure looked startled.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    The city is planning to turn some of the natural trails in Terwillegar into 3 metre wide gravel trails. Where ever you see the red posts on the trails in Terwillegar, the city contractor is doing soils testing and collecting geotechnical information so those trails are in danger of being destroyed (like the city did when they put in the paved trail going to the Henday bridge).

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    Edmonton, Fall, Winter 13

    New steps carved into a steep section in Ewok...

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    Trails are in great shape, but crossing the newly opened QE park road sure is garbage. It's been bad enough waiting forever at the kinsmen for the light to change, but now there's also the stupidest crosswalk in the city to deal with. I've got to change my loops around.

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    Got out this morning Old Timers to Ewok and back. Took Newfangled's advice and dropped in at dirty mattress instead of crossing through the gong show across from. Kinsmen. Trails are in great shape.

    I'm always amazed in the fall at how much crap there is in the forest beyond the trail. Old clothes, tarps etc. that you don't notice when the leaves are up. The number of people sleeping in the river valley is also astounding, you never know they're there in the middle of the summer. Think I scared the crap out of a few hobos as I rode past

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    Was the green tent still setup at the end of dirty mattress, the one RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRAIL?!?

    Got out yesterday - saw three tents setup, one of them right in the middle of the Canada Cup trail, the others way off trail towards Ewok.

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    Haha no! But I would have soiled myself if I came to the bottom and ran into that.

    I did see a giant green 6-8 person tent on my way back to old-timers. It was pitched right on the side of the trail behind the chain-link fence that is still 'closed due to flooding' leading to the river Queen from Ewok. Heard movement in there too. Maybe it's the same tent and he/she decided it was a good idea to move out from the bottom of a fast moving bike trail.

    I wonder if the city ever cracks down on those guys, I mean that tent was enormous, bright, and hard to miss.

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    I did see bike cops checking out a campsite on Victoria Secret awhile back. It was kind of funny, because they'd locked their bikes up on Victoria promenade and then walked down. But I guess it wouldn't be appropriate for the police to be seen hitting the singletrack.

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    Shame... In my mind riding the singletrack would be the best part about being a bike cop.

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    The green tent is still there. When you come out of dirty mattress, it's right smack in the middle of the trail. Saw three new tents last night as well. Those tents are way off trail (and could have been there all year, who knows), but the one tent right in the middle of the trail is a bit much.

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    I saw two bike cops riding their police bikes on the singletrack around old timer's this summer. We passed each other so we didn't get time to talk, but in passing I said 'you guys get to ride trails, too?' and one of them replied 'of course!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri View Post
    The green tent is still there. When you come out of dirty mattress, it's right smack in the middle of the trail. Saw three new tents last night as well. Those tents are way off trail (and could have been there all year, who knows), but the one tent right in the middle of the trail is a bit much.
    It was still there Sunday Oct. 21.
    I was surprised at how many tents are out there. Us night riders are really going to start bothering people.

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    Got out today Old timer's to ewok, spent some time just past wayne Gretzky bridge. It was my first time there and aside from the stench (does it normally smell that bad there? Like raw sewage?) had a great time. Rode back home via equine centre.

    I Skipped the singletrack linking Hawrelak to Keillor, last time I was there was before the flood and it was SUPER sketchy. Anyone know if it is still rideable?

    Lots of trees down by the river queen: could be beavers? The wind on Saturday? The tent dwellers? There's a neat little feature around there with two ladder bridges over a log leading into a fun downhill. It's now inaccessible with so many trees fallen.

    Tents are still everywhere. I'd love to know who these people are. Are they all homeless, or are some people camping out? Either way, I'm not going to ask, I'm a little scared of them. I have to admit that I ride a bit faster when I see a tent by the trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrich View Post
    I Skipped the singletrack linking Hawrelak to Keillor, last time I was there was before the flood and it was SUPER sketchy. Anyone know if it is still rideable?
    Sortof. There's some sketchy bits to the north that have dropped and shifted, but are still hanging on. A little further south there's a new line that avoids some of the other super sketchy stuff that used to be blocked off with a snow fence. And then as you get closer to the Keillor slide there are some holes/crevasses that need a dismount. I wouldn't be surprised if it all disappears if we get another good flood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrich View Post
    (does it normally smell that bad there? Like raw sewage?)
    Yes, the waste water treatment plant does often smell like a waste water treatment plant. =P

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    Managed to get out before the weather turns for the worst on Sunday. Surprisingly, did not see any other cyclists out on what was a pretty nice afternoon.

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    The tent is gone from dirty mattress. I think they just moved, since I saw two similar green tents off in the trees in other spots.

    Anyone ever ride the singletrack that wraps around Oleskiw? It's basically where the connection will be from the Ft. Ed pedestrian bridge to the new Terwillegar bridge once it gets built? There's a couple of kilometers of continuous trail, and it looks pretty well-riden, but it's very tame, and it doesn't really go anywhere. With the leaves down I was in there looking for trails branching off into the trees, but wasn't successful. It's still a neat place since it's completely empty.

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    Rode that trail last Monday. Once you scoot under the big ass tree, it's just a nice mellow ride to the clearing. The few log piles keep things interesting, though. I'm sure that once the new bridge is built, it'll connect up to it, alleviating the need to do pavement riding if one is heading out to Terwilliger.

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    Yeah, all the log piles make me wonder who rides there because it must be pretty well used. When the bridge gets built I wouldn't be surprised if it all gets turned into double track or pavement, though. It's mellow enough that the city could probably widen it pretty easily.

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    I ride that trail fairly often. It's not too far from my place and it's great when I'm not in the mood for the technical trails in Patricia.

    It's going to be great once the footbridge goes up. Not having to climb the death hill leading to Terwillegar after crossing the Fort Edmonton bridge will be a dream.

    I think you can count on the trail being paved over once the bridge goes up. Also expect to see some big changes if construction access to the footbridge ends up coming through the North-west side of the river (through the country club or new housing development)

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    Yeah, all the log piles make me wonder who rides there because it must be pretty well used. When the bridge gets built I wouldn't be surprised if it all gets turned into double track or pavement, though. It's mellow enough that the city could probably widen it pretty easily.
    I've rode it a few times this year - basically ends where the footbridge will be. Like the log roll overs...
    And yes, that is pretty much the plan - that path, or close enough will be made into either gravel or MUT.

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    Last night's group ride was cold. Very cold. Time to put away the full suspension as it just acts gross when the weather gets cold. Trails were pretty good, but the ground is pretty hard and slick in spots. Going to have to get out another night before the crappy weather hits us again next weekend.

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    Beaver's be crazy:


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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri View Post
    Beaver's be crazy
    Every time I ride by there I do a double-take.

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    Edmonton, Fall, Winter 13

    Time to bring out the fatbikes.... Wish I had one to bring out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyjr View Post
    Time to bring out the fatbikes.... Wish I had one to bring out.

    Same here.

    I don't understand why bike shops don't offer financing. I'd have a sweet winter ride and they'd get to sell more bikes Win/win, right?


    Speaking of which, does anyone ride their 'regular' bikes in the snow? Do you guys make any adjustments to your bikes or any modifications?

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    I think there are maybe 5 days a year when a fatbike would be handy. I'm sure they're fun, but any normal bike works just fine, and 29ers are great. I really do like studs though. And 2 of my bikes are rigid so I don't have to worry about mucking up suspension components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnitzelstein View Post
    Speaking of which, does anyone ride their 'regular' bikes in the snow? Do you guys make any adjustments to your bikes or any modifications?
    All I do is throw on the studded tires, yet I rode without those for quite a few years but wouldn't recommend that. Kinda stupid and dangerous with ice. I agree with Newfangled below, nothing wrong with your regular bike for Winter trails.
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    Here's a fun one from last year:


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    Regular bikes work just fine in the winter:


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    Excellent!

    I picked up some studded tires and went for my first ride in the snow yesterday in terwilliger. It was different for sure but still pretty fun.

    Now to figure out the clothing thing... Arg.

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    Everyone will be different, but here's my standard list:

    0C - Start wearing shell jacket and merino skullcap.

    -5C - Add flip-top mittens over my fullfinger gloves. Add 3-in-1 poly balaclava which covers my head, but lets me leave my face open. Add lightweight tights under shellpants. Switch to cheap, oversized hiking shoes with thick worksocks (I run platform pedals all year anyway).

    -15C - Switch from mitten/glove combo to Snowboard gloves. It's probably time to start using the 3-in-1 balaclava as an actual balaclava.

    -20C - Add fleece sweater under shell. Switch light tights to fleece tights. Add second layer of worksocks. Add second liner to gloves. Possibly use forearm/calf warmers.

    -25C - Add neckwarmer over balaclava. Use both the fleece tights and light tights. Definitely use forearm/calf warmers. Add ski goggles.

    -30C - Pretty rare so I don't have any specific gear, but I make sure to have some chemical hand/toe warmers easily accessible for emergencies.

    The biggest scare so far was at around -20C when I stopped at redbike for some shopping. My gloves had gotten a little sweaty on the ride there, and they were still damp when I headed out again. That little bit of moisture made the gloves spectacularly useless, and riding across the high level was a nightmare, so I almost needed to bail to a coffeeshop or gas station to warm up.
    Probably the most surprising thing is that I wear a baselayer with a windbreaker down to about -20 (usually -18). Once I add fleece I start sweating like crazy, but it has to be pretty cold before I need it.

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    Great write up.

    I've got warm/wicking baselayers covered but I'm having a hard time finding an outer layer that won't trap any moisture in. Do you know of any good jackets/pants made for that sort of thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnitzelstein View Post
    I've got warm/wicking baselayers covered but I'm having a hard time finding an outer layer that won't trap any moisture in. Do you know of any good jackets/pants made for that sort of thing?
    I just use a boring running/cycling jacket like this. Everyone will be different, but I find that big armpit zips are all I really need. (although it's also a few years old and has been washed many times, so it's waterproofing is long gone)

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    For outerlayers this is my baby here: Eddie Bauer - Sandstone Soft Shell Jacket customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings

    I wear it through all seasons and it serves me well with different configurations underneath (I rode Tuesday morning in -15 with a baselayer, fleece, and my softshell.) My hands get cold easily so I break out my heavy gloves earlier in the season.

    (although it's also a few years old and has been washed many times, so it's waterproofing is long gone)
    Have you tried this product here for waterproofing? Works like a charm.

    (I've never tried the advanced options on here, so this was my first shot at it. Forgive me if there are random links and html tags all over the place)

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrich View Post
    Have you tried this product here for waterproofing? Works like a charm.
    Thanks, but I actually like that it isn't waterproof anymore since now it's nice and breathable.

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    A lazy ride for me today. Victoria, Groat, Mckinnon and around hawrelak. Winterbike is still setup as a singlespeed which is just a little too tricky for climbing snowy singletrack.

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    Slightly less lazy today - down to ewok, and then back by old timers, the canada cup, and the university. Really nice conditions, with basically no ice, and not too much snow. Even as a singlespeed it was a pretty competent ride.

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    Got out yesterday and today. Today was a nicer day, but yesterday was better day for riding IMO. Some crappy shots from today, and yes, Old Timer's is in fantastic shape.






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