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    Canada Post and the union can *#%@ off

    I ordered all the parts that my wife needed to build up her Transition Syren at the start of the month from Chain Reaction cycles.

    The custom wheels granted took a little more time to build.

    So on monday I get a " tried to deliver your package " on my front door. So I go to the local pick up point the next day as they said it would not be available till then. The lady takes the tag and brings out one box. I was a little confused as there should have been two or more large boxes. The lady says one per tag so I take my box home and open it and find only 2 of the 26 items I ordered in it. I then contacted the postal service and chain reaction cycles and parcel force and no one knew where the other box was. After some digging I finally got some info from Chain reaction with a new tracking number. I check it and it says the other box is in Edmonton. Great! I then check the date it was processed in Edmonton and it seems it was 2 days ago. So i figure maybe try to call Canada Post to see if I can pick it up at any of the local offices. I was then told due to the strike everything is shut down and I have no options but to wait it out.

    This is a load of BS. The dam package arrived in Canada at the same time in fact the one I received cleared customs 13 min after the first box.

    I hate union strong arming and the BS that comes with it. Unions used to have a place and add value in Canada but that is no longer the case.

    I guess I'll just have to inform my wife she is going to have to wait a while longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign rider View Post
    I ordered all the parts that my wife needed to build up her Transition Syren at the start of the month from Chain Reaction cycles.

    The custom wheels granted took a little more time to build.

    So on monday I get a " tried to deliver your package " on my front door. So I go to the local pick up point the next day as they said it would not be available till then. The lady takes the tag and brings out one box. I was a little confused as there should have been two or more large boxes. The lady says one per tag so I take my box home and open it and find only 2 of the 26 items I ordered in it. I then contacted the postal service and chain reaction cycles and parcel force and no one knew where the other box was. After some digging I finally got some info from Chain reaction with a new tracking number. I check it and it says the other box is in Edmonton. Great! I then check the date it was processed in Edmonton and it seems it was 2 days ago. So i figure maybe try to call Canada Post to see if I can pick it up at any of the local offices. I was then told due to the strike everything is shut down and I have no options but to wait it out.

    This is a load of BS. The dam package arrived in Canada at the same time in fact the one I received cleared customs 13 min after the first box.

    I hate union strong arming and the BS that comes with it. Unions used to have a place and add value in Canada but that is no longer the case.

    I guess I'll just have to inform my wife she is going to have to wait a while longer.
    This time, though, it's Canada Post who's the bigger pain.

    The union was still game to deliver (granted, they were doing the rotating strike thing) until CP locked them out. CP cares but it doesn't...they own a chunk of Purolator and are raking in the additional business because of their lock out.
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    The union and the workers voted to strike. Don't let them fool you, the decision to have a rotating strike was NOT done for OUR benefit, it was done for theirs.

    Striking a day here or there means they are not being hit in the wallet as badly as if they had done a full on strike, at these wages they wouldn't even be aware anything was missing.

    Since the company decided to stick to its guns rather than bend over they initiated the lockout and now the employees are feeling the sting of their own decision.

    Now both are on equal footing, both are hurting equally financially .

    I hope they sit out there and rot for six months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokes View Post
    phhht

    The union and the workers voted to strike. Don't let them fool you, the decision to have a rotating strike was NOT done for OUR benefit, it was done for theirs.

    Striking a day here or there means they are not being hit in the wallet as badly as if they had done a full on strike, at these wages they wouldn't even be aware anything was missing.

    Since the company decided to stick to its guns rather than bend over they initiated the lockout and now the employees are feeling the sting of their own decision.

    Now both are on equal footing, both are hurting equally financially .

    I hope they sit out there and rot for six months.
    I really hope not six months, that means the box will sit in limbo for six months

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    What Canada Post needs to do is get the remaining mail/parcels out that are being held due to strikes even if that means making customers go to post office to pick up the parcel themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyjr View Post
    What Canada Post needs to do is get the remaining mail/parcels out that are being held due to strikes even if that means making customers go to post office to pick up the parcel themselves.

    Not going to happen as you would get a beat down by all the brothers and sisters if you tried to cross the picket lines.

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    A strike vote is a negotiating tool (I've been on both sides in my years)... rotating strikes are probably the smallest possible use of the strike as a tool. Canada post was crying about the losses (while reaping the Purolator benefits on the side)...so why would they suspend operations if just rotating strikes was costing them so much? A lockout ceases all operations....which costs them even more.

    Best guess: Canada Post wants back to work legislation so they don't have to negotiate. If you can't strong arm the union, get someone involved who can...and it looks like the Feds are going to help them with it. I just hope that they (both sides) can live with what the moderator ends up deciding on.
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    Unions can bite me.

    I've been management in the construction industry and worked with both sides Non union and union. I have to say the non union side had a better work ethic and was way way easier to deal with ( discipline, addressing work concerns, wages and quality issues ) then the union side.
    They are basically "its our way or no way" or no way at all.
    I'm glad the feds will be stopping this petty little squabble and opening mail service again.

    And as for Canada post I may think twice before sending a package through them again.

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    By locking them out CP put the union on equal footing . The rotating strike nonsense didn't cost the members much as they took turns having a day off. CP went one up on them. Now they can all suffer.
    I too have been stuck in a union before , I know how they work the BS to their advantage.

    Let's not forget what they are asking for, 23 bucks an hour starting wage for letter carriers??? come on glorified paperboys. They aren't even asking to cut wages of existing employees just lowering the rate of new hires. The union is worried about their union dues(cash flow) being cut.

    BTW my brother inlaw works at the post office..He refuses to walk the picket line as he agrees the CPU is out to lunch .

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    It's about time CP was privatized, or just abolished completely. Let UPS et al fight over the scraps. I'm tired of propping up an insolvent business with my tax money. CP has been losing money for years, time to cut the ropes and move on.
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    Polish, I couldn't agree more...unless you also said CBC

    I've been a unionized worker, non-union worker and management. CP just makes me shake my head and CUPW isn't much better. If CP had to sink or swim, they'd be in a race for the bottom of the ocean. CUPW...well, they have their own problems, including a lot of the "big, bad union" stuff that they need to houseclean.

    Not a great situation all around....I'm just glad I managed to get my jersey for the Ride to Conquer Cancer before this nonsense went from bad to worse (hopefully you'll get your parts soon, RR).
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    April 27, 2010

    Canada Post Corporation tabled its 2009 annual report today in Parliament, reporting a profit for the 15th consecutive year. The Corporation recorded consolidated net income of $281 million on revenue of $7.3 billion, and reported an operating margin of 4.9 per cent.

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    Had to throw that out there.
    Not the world's biggest union fan and have worked for two different ones in the past, but it's nice to see one that actually sticks up for new employees instead of throwing them under the bus like most seem to do. Ever work somewhere that people who started a couple years before you are on a completely different wage grid, and no matter how hard or long you work, you can never make what they make? Not so much fun. Nice to see this union agrees with that.

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    Profits = are dirty words to union members. CP turns a small profit because they contracted more work out, not because of the overpaid brothers and sisters.
    A whole 3.8% profit whoppdee who who which by the way gets returned to the Federal Government.

    In the eyes of a socialists nobody is allowed to make a profit.

    Corporations..BIG OIL..no one..after all they provide no economic benefit to the country!

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    I was responding to the statement that CP has been losing money for years along with the implication that it was due to the overpaid postal workers.

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    For the education it requires to deliver/process mail, and the "responsibility"... Canada Post employees are EXTREMELY (if not excessively) well-paid. The same can be said for the auto-workers.

    I understand a workers' desire to be paid more, have better benefits, etc, but people need to be realistic about the relation between what their education level is, what their community/social responsibility is, and what their wage is.

    I, too, am waiting for stuff in the mail. I am waiting for $2000 in money orders, some bike parts for a race that I am doing next week (that I am now going to have to buy again before the race, and have two of each), and an essential letter pertaining to my schooling in the fall that has to be in within the next week.

    I appreciate Canada Post having competitive (if not superior) shipping rates compared to the other couriers, but no letter carrier, mail processor, post office clerk should be paid more than a primary care paramedic (at least as it is in BC)... and that's effectively what they are saying, that their job is "worth" more than a PCP's... and that's why I have no faith in CUPE/W unions.

    Sorry, but I'm not your brother...

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    I'd make an argument for people that work for businesses that are making a profit to make more money. Instead of saying that these guys should make less, maybe you should make more. Obviously if the business is losing money, that's not going to happen.
    Things get harder to define when they are government or pseudo government jobs, but why would you advocate for people making less money? More money for workers, less for investors sounds good to me.

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    about time

    Ha after the NDP ( I party i will never ever ever ever vote for ) delayed the passing of the bill through the commons for over 48 hours its been passed. Now all it has to do is get passed through the senate and we could in all end see the postal workers back to the routes by monday-tuesday. yay.

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    With attitudes like that Reign rider and bigmike should go live in the US.

    Really, dudes, go. They'd let you guys right in............

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolishExperiment View Post
    It's about time CP was privatized, or just abolished completely. Let UPS et al fight over the scraps. I'm tired of propping up an insolvent business with my tax money. CP has been losing money for years, time to cut the ropes and move on.
    I worked as a bicycle messenger in DT Vancouver for 8 yrs on a strictly commission basis. There isn't a person on this planet who can teach me a thing about parcel delivery, how to be fast, efficient and simply get the job done. When I started at CP a few years ago and saw how many parcels they expected me to deliver in the allotted time I thought you are freakin crazy, especially for what you're paying me. On a commission basis I would easily make twice as much money. So much for being overpaid. There's a reason 50% of the people they hire quit in the first six months. Unless you have been there you have no idea what is really going on.

    The corp uses the fact that the general public thinks we don't do anything and are over paid in order to utilize the lockout to get the Feds to force us back to work with public support.

    The letter mail decline is simply false, period. And the argument that the internet is putting CP out of business is BS too. Without the net there would be no Ebay and other online shopping goods to deliver at an average of $35 a parcel. 15 yrs ago there was no such thing, now it's a huge money maker. There's an old saying that says if it ain't broke don't fix it and in this case spending over a billion, which will turn out to be double that because of overpaid and incompetent mgmt, to "modernize" the system is a total waste of money. Somebody somewhere is getting kickbacks and rich off of this.

    I laugh at people who say it should be privatized, to that I say careful what you wish for. It is clear to me and most people there that they are deliberately trying to run the place in to the ground so that exact thing can be done and then hand over the reigns for kickbacks to their billionaire buddies for a private profit at twice the rates. Your rates will double, service will decline (ever used UPS, Fed Ex?) and profits that go into the general Gov revenues will disappear. Say goodbye to whatever those funds do for you locally.

    It's not the workers, it's the management and I use the term loosely in this case. I've worked in all kind of industries in my life and never ever have I seen such mismanagement, lack of accountability and overall gross waste of money. It's bewildering, mystifing and shocking at the same time. The general public simply has no idea what is really going on there and the management simply doesn't care, not in the slightest. If it were up to me I would fire the works of the mgmt in a heart beat.

    As far as education level goes, I've been to university. Any idiot can get a degree. Not to say you don't work hard but what exactly do you think the average worker is doing during the same time one is in school, could it be work hard too? And workers also pay taxes during that time which helps to subsidize universities and thusly other self entitled peoples education. (mostly arts degree morons)

    I've been on both sides of the union coin and I can't really say one is better than the other, just different. Without CUPW the place would be in shambles and no one in their right mind would work there for less then $20/hr, at least I wouldn't. That said I am also in the market for something else. The place is a joke and most likely by design.

    One thing also to add, would it be better if they paid people $12/hr? I hope you don't own or work in a restaurant cause I won't be able to afford to eat there. I hope you aren't in the bike industry either cause I won't be buying any goods from your store. Get the picture?

    If people spent a fraction of the energy they do *****ing about the post office, nurses, teachers, fireman etc, etc on the banksters getting paid billion dollar bonuses for running a ponzi scheme, and that's what fractional reserve banking is (study it and tell me any different), the world would be a vastly different place. Last time I checked none of us got huge bonuses at your expense for bankrupting the economy.

    The rich have all of us working stiffs fighting amongst ourselves for table scraps while they laugh all the way to the bank.

    And finally, Reign Rider I am truly sorry that this situation has put you out, I really am and so too are the other postal workers. Believe it or not the vast majority of people there really do care about the people we work for(you) and strive to give the best service possible. That is not to say there aren't idiots there because there is and I get in their face as much as I do mgmt(they hate me LOL). The fact is is that the Corp does not care about you or service, not at all, they only care about profits. No one there wanted to strike, we were forced to and then locked out as a result.

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    sniff sniff sniff ..I smell union boy SPAM.

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    LOL what are you 12?

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    I can smell union BS from 10 miles away. Aren't you late for a union meeting?

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    Sorry to say but I agree with alpinearcher! Look at the workforce of CP and figure out that most of them are babyboomers looking to retire in next 5 years. If there is a mass exodus of employees that leave....guess what....you HAVE TO HIRE! Don't rag on people that are trying to explain the situation. The union was created to defend employees and 'bullying' by employers! What has happened in the last little while isn't going to solve anything for CP in the next 5-10 years and beyond!
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    This line.

    "There's a reason 50% of the people they hire quit in the first six months."

    is absolute hogwash.

    so is this one

    "The letter mail decline is simply false, period"

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    Wisconsin calling..............

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