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    What's up nino

    give us the scoop on your new bike.
    did you sell the scandium scott?
    can't wait
    thanks

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    have you sold many vuelta brakes to buy the scale nino?
    maybe he is building a new sculpture copy

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLóL
    have you sold many vuelta brakes to buy the scale nino?
    maybe he is building a new sculpture copy
    Hey Malol, when are you going to have the Spanish version of MTBR up and running?

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    just give me time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLóL
    just give me time...
    Dont think you need much time. Just copy the MTBR site, use some online language converter, keep the links to the existing MTBR site and you have auto updates........

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    if you dont have enought time just stop wasting time here. come on, we will miss you...
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    i´ll do the same thing that with my actual web; i´ll do a similar web but for people not welcome here.

    i´ll copy mtbr.com web for all the ones like me that are not welcome in this forum.

    by the way; do you know that i already have a website for all the ones who wanna sell components without paying for the classifieds? yeaaaahhh, i´ve got it, and i have been able to sell a few componets, and all my customers are really happy... it´s a pity that not everyone can say this.

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    hey charly i had a class mate who was from sao paulo. He told me brazilian girls are really nice. Why don´t you send a few pics instead of saying that?

    do you know how works the ignore funtion? if you don´t like what i write ignore me or just do not read it. i think it´s easy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLóŒ
    ©?ll do the same thing that with my actual web; i?ll do a similar web but for people not welcome here.

    i?ll copy mtbr.com web for all the ones like me that are not welcome in this forum.

    by the way; do you know that i already have a website for all the ones who wanna sell components without paying for the classifieds? yeaaaahhh, i?ve got it, and i have been able to sell a few componets, and all my customers are really happy... it?s a pity that not everyone can say this.
    I have a camels toe that I would like to sell, will you be able to help me out?

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    sure

    send me the pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaLóL
    hey charly i had a class mate who was from sao paulo. He told me brazilian girls are really nice. Why don´t you send a few pics instead of saying that?

    do you know how works the ignore funtion? if you don´t like what i write ignore me or just do not read it. i think it´s easy...

    if you want to see pics of girls go to a porn forum.

    ignore function? that doesnt give you the right to post whatever you want herer. there are rules here and althought the moderator doesnt moderate anything people here are not very happy to see this forum being flooded with stupid posts like yours.

    why dont you give us a brake and go build your spanish site? we wont miss you i guarantee that
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    ok, then give me a brazilian porn forum link and i´ll go away.

    now, i am following all the rules so, there is nothing to moderate.

    i think the rules here are wrong...

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    what´s the time now in brazil?

    i like your bike, seems reliable. what do you think about the colour squeme of your specialized? do you like the green fork? maybe you do not care about the colors, am i wrong?

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    sure, i dont care about the color and i to tell you the truth i really dont care about your opinion either....

    your posts here is all about atacking people. thats against the rules and if you dont like this forum rules just move out.
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    soon...

    Quote Originally Posted by Limon
    give us the scoop on your new bike.
    did you sell the scandium scott?
    can't wait
    thanks
    i'm still not sure if i ever get the Scale. i'm still looking for all the solutions needed to make it lighter compared to my 02 Scandium frame. as it is i have a solution for the cables but i don't want Tune plastic housings going through all the way. and i also don't want a e-type ferailleur in the front so i'm looking for the same braze-on adapter the CR1 Roadbike frame has and would like to glue it on so i would be able to use my braze-on Dura Ace derailleur again. only this way the Scale will be lighter than my scandium.

    BUT just for fun i' will have lighter wheels and shifters and tires too...yes - that's a POSER BUILD as i definitely won't ride my bike this way ( at least not with these tires!).

    current weight ca. 7.3 kilos

    -100g Sachs Quartz shifters
    -320g Maxxis 310 tires
    -60g lightweight inner tubes
    -140g lighter wheels
    -25g KMC X10 SL chain

    total savings: -645g

    so the savings should drop my bikes weight somewhere to 6.6-6.7 kilos. if i'll get the needed solutions for the Scale then it will be 6.6 kilos for sure with the Scale frame.

    and PLEASE:
    don't even respond to some stupid spaniard on this site - he's definitely not worth it anymore! maybe at 23 years of age he has still not grown enough...

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    good night nino:

    that bike will not be unrideable. it will be great for downhill; a motocross former like you can do xc with a 5kg road bike so...

    this pic is from iago medin, he started the race with number 1 and he finished on the same position, with xpedo pedals with only one side (removed the springs of the other side). it is a pic of a rider in his bike.

    i have seen lots of pics of nino parts, but i have never ever seen a pic of nino riding his bike.

    nino, what number is in iago bike? you can see iago bike on my website.


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    and i am not attacking people. I am only talking about guys who are not fair, like nino and dirtboy. and i want to let everyone know this, so you will not have the problems i had. if nino send me a good lockring (i paid for it) and dirt boy let me enter again on his website, then there won´t be any problem.
    But i think this is not possible so...

    i am a fair person, i do not steal to people. Maybe you do not like what i write but i do not have your dollars on my pocket charly. there is a big difference i think, and i also think this is easy to understand.

    so do not say i attack people cause i did not attack to anyone. if you want, just say i attack dirt boy and say i attack nino if you want. it´s easy to say i attack people, but it´s not true and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaL󌝡
    nd i am a fair person, i do not steal to people.
    um what do you call your light-bikes webpage rip-off ? linking to his pages... using his bandwidth(yes it costs $)

    Theres nothing wrong with orignaility but what is original about your page..

    I could understand if your page offered soemthing that we already don't see out there but so far its all copied from other sites (www.light-bikes.com, weightweenies.starbike.com).

    Also your page seems to be on a free page with all kidns of ads etc. IF you really think you have a good idea, why not buy a domain so that all your "extensive users" dont' have to sift through the ads...


    Heres an example that might help you understand why dirt boy kicked you off his site:
    If I copied off you during exams in school would you let me keep sitting next to you..

    And you've managed to HiJack another thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by nino

    current weight ca. 7.3 kilos

    -100g Sachs Quartz shifters
    -320g Maxxis 310 tires
    -60g lightweight inner tubes
    -140g lighter wheels
    -25g KMC X10 SL chain

    total savings: -645g

    so the savings should drop my bikes weight somewhere to 6.6-6.7 kilos. if i'll get the needed solutions for the Scale then it will be 6.6 kilos for sure with the Scale frame.
    wow.... thats really light!!
    the maxxis flyweights are 330g, claimed and real. i saw those other 310g tires, but they arent maxxis.
    btw, how will your wheels be built up to be 140g lighter? the tune mig/mag hubs are the lightest i know about, and you couldnt save more than 100g off of those x517 rims. dont know about the spokes though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by full_xtr_racer
    wow.... thats really light!!
    the maxxis flyweights are 330g, claimed and real. i saw those other 310g tires, but they arent maxxis.
    btw, how will your wheels be built up to be 140g lighter? the tune mig/mag hubs are the lightest i know about, and you couldnt save more than 100g off of those x517 rims. dont know about the spokes though..
    there's a new Maxxis tire out called 310. the Maxxis Flyweight 330 so far has been the lightest offering from Maxxis.

    i never had really light wheels before. wheels need to be stiff and offer good braking especially for my speeds going down. i always had ceramic rims and Tune hubs but not the one with the carbon axle but instead the sturdier Mag 200 (209g) on the rear. my new wheels will have Amclassic hubs, AC 350 rims and DT aerolite spokes. still no ultralight hubs like Extralite sincew those already seem to have some reliability problems with loose bearings...that's too much money for just some "poser" wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    there's a new Maxxis tire out called 310. the Maxxis Flyweight 330 so far has been the lightest offering from Maxxis.

    i never had really light wheels before. wheels need to be stiff and offer good braking especially for my speeds going down. i always had ceramic rims and Tune hubs but not the one with the carbon axle but instead the sturdier Mag 200 (209g) on the rear. my new wheels will have Amclassic hubs, AC 350 rims and DT aerolite spokes. still no ultralight hubs like Extralite sincew those already seem to have some reliability problems with loose bearings...that's too much money for just some "poser" wheels.
    Nino I definitely agree with you about the "poser" bike thing. Nice too look at on a scale, but really not rideable. For me, the motivation for making my bike lighter is not bragging rights, but to make it faster. So, if something to make a bike lighter (like putting extralight or soul-kazak hubs) makes it unreliable and slower, I don't do it. I think you should definitely go for the carbon frame, should be a faster frame, more compliant and they look stiff in the drivetrain.

    Oh PS I just picked up a pair of American classic Sprint 350 wheels with the sapim CX-Ray spokes for my road bike....

    1273 grams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    About the Quartz shifters

    Are they a verified 100g? I've got 9-speed Plasma's (the Sachs edition, not the Y2K SRAM model) with adjustable spring preload, and they weight 120 g. Without the plastic adjusters and return spring...could that really be 20g less?

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    Eric, 100g lighter over his current setup, not 100g actual for the shifters. Yes, I also almost freaked out. Let's drill out and shave down some X.0's.
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    havent gotten a chance yet. Here in New England is "cold as balls" as we say. Seem nice, I took them for a short spin and its like you don't have to work against any moment of inertia at all!

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    malol, you are a real piece of merde.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaLóL
    have you sold many vuelta brakes to buy the scale nino?
    maybe he is building a new sculpture copy
    I tell you what malol:
    you are a real piece of merde.
    you are nothin' but a waste, une grosse merde puante.
    si grosse that it does smell over here just to writing this note.
    you are a disgrace, you are a sad and imature chap.
    beware, nothin' is for free these days, beware piece of nothin'
    you and your stupid ugly hardtail.
    you are nothin' but a stupid young creep.
    nothin'
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    correct...

    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    Are they a verified 100g? I've got 9-speed Plasma's (the Sachs edition, not the Y2K SRAM model) with adjustable spring preload, and they weight 120 g. Without the plastic adjusters and return spring...could that really be 20g less?
    we are both correct:
    i said 100g less than my XT shifters which weigh 220g. the Sachs Quartz i will get these days weigh around 120g. the shorter grips will also save around 5g.

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    Amclassic wheels...

    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery
    Nino I definitely agree with you about the "poser" bike thing. Nice too look at on a scale, but really not rideable. For me, the motivation for making my bike lighter is not bragging rights, but to make it faster. So, if something to make a bike lighter (like putting extralight or soul-kazak hubs) makes it unreliable and slower, I don't do it. I think you should definitely go for the carbon frame, should be a faster frame, more compliant and they look stiff in the drivetrain.

    Oh PS I just picked up a pair of American classic Sprint 350 wheels with the sapim CX-Ray spokes for my road bike....

    1273 grams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    i just got some Amclassic wheels last week (MTB and Road as well).
    the Sprint 350 i got with Sapim Laser (2.0-1.5) weigh 1280g. not bad considering the much lower cost for the spokes...
    may i ask what you paid for your wheels?

    i have mine on german Ebay right now sitting at 400 euro.

    i can comment on my own CR350 wheels where i use FRM SL hubs and 28/28 DT Revolutions (1292g):
    they are stiffer than the Ksyriums i had before! i had a professional wheelbuilder doing my wheels and it's felt big time. they are incredible wheels and as you say it almost feels as having nothing to move around. my bike became pretty nervous with these wheels once going down at speed. climbing is a dream and sprinting or riding out of the saddle always makes you smile. i'm also surprised at how well they do on the flat. i also have some CR420 wheels with 18/24 Sapim CX-rays but they are definitely much softer. cornering at speed becomes a hairy thing as the wheels won't track as secure as the others. however they do feel fast.

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    ... and if we just ... 6.6=14.55 sweeeeet!

    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    i'm still not sure if i ever get the Scale. i'm still looking for all the solutions needed to make it lighter compared to my 02 Scandium frame. as it is i have a solution for the cables but i don't want Tune plastic housings going through all the way. and i also don't want a e-type ferailleur in the front so i'm looking for the same braze-on adapter the CR1 Roadbike frame has and would like to glue it on so i would be able to use my braze-on Dura Ace derailleur again. only this way the Scale will be lighter than my scandium.

    BUT just for fun i' will have lighter wheels and shifters and tires too...yes - that's a POSER BUILD as i definitely won't ride my bike this way ( at least not with these tires!).

    current weight ca. 7.3 kilos

    -100g Sachs Quartz shifters
    -320g Maxxis 310 tires
    -60g lightweight inner tubes
    -140g lighter wheels
    -25g KMC X10 SL chain

    total savings: -645g

    so the savings should drop my bikes weight somewhere to 6.6-6.7 kilos. if i'll get the needed solutions for the Scale then it will be 6.6 kilos for sure with the Scale frame.

    and PLEASE:
    don't even respond to some stupid spaniard on this site - he's definitely not worth it anymore! maybe at 23 years of age he has still not grown enough...
    I'm also thinking about getting a custom scandium frame(if the builder can make it around 2 pounds) to replace my homegrown.
    homegrown 1530g
    scandium frame around 1000g
    that would save around 500g
    lighter wheels -100g
    lighter seatpost -50g
    current weight 6838g 15pounds
    that would be around 6188g 13.64pounds
    so if I end up with a 14 pound bike I'll be very happy

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    they're 700 new I believe, really not bad when you look at the competition....

    Zipps are well over a thousand, and are tubular, but lighter.
    Ksyriums are at least as much money, usually more and weigh 300 grams more.

    Yeah let me tell you, these are PLENTY stiff, I wonder if with the CX-Rays they can put higher tension on. Its still around 20 degreees F outside so no extended test, but cornering in them is a dream!

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    also has yet to be seen if the bearings hold up. They are the new hubs so hopefully. These are going to replace my ksyriums as everyday wheels

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    i have seen lots of pics of nino parts, but i have never ever seen a pic of nino riding his bike.
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    AND whe have never seem a picture of YOU riding or racing your bike.
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    To Nino!

    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    so i'm looking for the same braze-on adapter the CR1 Roadbike frame has and would like to glue it on so i would be able to use my braze-on Dura Ace derailleur again.
    Hello Nino!

    I'm thinking about getting a Scale 10 frame and thinking about the same as you regarding the front derailleur but as far as I can see the Scale frame is using toppull front derailleur while your Team Issue frams is using a downpull front derailleur. Have you thought about cable stops and so on when mounting a downpull derailleur on the scale?

    From Mads

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    Scale re-work...

    Quote Originally Posted by emkay
    Hello Nino!

    I'm thinking about getting a Scale 10 frame and thinking about the same as you regarding the front derailleur but as far as I can see the Scale frame is using toppull front derailleur while your Team Issue frams is using a downpull front derailleur. Have you thought about cable stops and so on when mounting a downpull derailleur on the scale?

    From Mads
    as i said i would re-think the whole cables on the Scale:
    i would glue on some cable stops to get back the short cables i have on my current scandium Team Issue. and same for the f-derailleur where i would put a lower cableguide on the BB shell and have the cable routed from below to accept a down-pull braze-on derailleur.
    i definitely don't see any advantage with having this awkward cable routing. carrying the bike will hurt as the cables will be forced into the riders shoulders...and the weight is just too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    as i said i would re-think the whole cables on the Scale:
    i would glue on some cable stops to get back the short cables i have on my current scandium Team Issue. and same for the f-derailleur where i would put a lower cableguide on the BB shell and have the cable routed from below to accept a down-pull braze-on derailleur.
    i definitely don't see any advantage with having this awkward cable routing. carrying the bike will hurt as the cables will be forced into the riders shoulders...and the weight is just too much.
    Sweet - shouldn't be any problems in glue on cable stops? Yeah it's seems strange to place the cable under the toptube!

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    glue on carbon...

    Quote Originally Posted by emkay
    Sweet - shouldn't be any problems in glue on cable stops? Yeah it's seems strange to place the cable under the toptube!
    they glue on the disc-adapters so i really don't se too much of a problem. my dad already glued a homemade braze-on f-derailleur adapter on his Vitus carbon frame back in ca. '85.

    on the CR1 roadbike those cablestops have some rivets too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    Are they a verified 100g? I've got 9-speed Plasma's (the Sachs edition, not the Y2K SRAM model) with adjustable spring preload, and they weight 120 g. Without the plastic adjusters and return spring...could that really be 20g less?
    quartz and plasmas weigh the same, I think nino meant SAVING 100 grams off the stock shifters for the bike. All the SRAM twisters and X-pods are heavier than the Sachs twisters, which is comical as they bought out Sachs but didn't learn anything from them, or keep any of their lighter products in production for more than a year. I don't have any of the quartz/plasma 9sp twisties myself right now but I got a couple pairs of the slightly earlier Powergrip Extreme (which quartz replaced) 8sp ones still for project light bikes I'm working on.
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    sure, gluing (use epoxy) cable stops on shouldnt be a problem. What exably is the deal with the scales that you whould need to use a braze on? Does it have a braze on mount?

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    Scale...

    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery
    sure, gluing (use epoxy) cable stops on shouldnt be a problem. What exably is the deal with the scales that you whould need to use a braze on? Does it have a braze on mount?
    no cable stops at all and e-type derailler on the front on the scale.

    that means full lenght housings on the cablkes and heavy e-type derailleur on the front. front shifter cable routing is top-pull so you will have to fit a lower cable guide and have the routing changed completely to be able to mount a braze-on derailleur. as it comes there is absolutely no adapter nor is it possible to fit a clamp-sytle derailleur as the deattube is too thick.only this way the scale will become really light. just these modifications are worth well over 100g.

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    Will the cable clear the bracket?

    I had a Scale frame in my hand only once, and it's a pretty thick heap of composites. Any idea if - when using your own down-pull routing - the cable will clear the spot where the seat-stays and BB shell meet? I had a problem with this on my commuter...the standard Shimano roadie cable guide caused the cable to saw right into the frame!

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    that has to be seen...

    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    I had a Scale frame in my hand only once, and it's a pretty thick heap of composites. Any idea if - when using your own down-pull routing - the cable will clear the spot where the seat-stays and BB shell meet? I had a problem with this on my commuter...the standard Shimano roadie cable guide caused the cable to saw right into the frame!
    i don't have any plans right now to get a Scale. if it happens i will have a closer look but i don't see any real problems if a standard cableguide doesn't fit. a homemade elongation for the guide would be no problem.

    anyway - i was told e-type derailleurs are used on carbon frames to avoid possible damage just in case the chain falls off to the inside of the granny, right onto the BB shell...if that happens you could have a serious problem with the chain cutting threough the fibres. so you would also have to make some kind of a protection for that case...

    still - the Scale needs too much work to get the weight to an acceptable level for the price it costs. it's sure the lightest frame BUT still heavier than the Scandium fram if not modified.

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    Agree there...

    Only if the ride quality is an amzing difference compared to your current scandium frame. Gotta say, though, IF I were to buy a racing hardtail (shudder at the thought), it would probably be a Scale.

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    agreed II

    Quote Originally Posted by eric
    Only if the ride quality is an amzing difference compared to your current scandium frame. Gotta say, though, IF I were to buy a racing hardtail (shudder at the thought), it would probably be a Scale.
    but since i already have a great HT that is also lighter i really don't have plans investing "tons" of money in a freame that needs hours of re-working just to get it light again...the ride will be great for sure. i already made the switch from the Scandium road frame to the CR1 and the ride is just awesome...but on a MTB there's much more "suspension" built in as you have front forks and large tires that make for some "softness". the difference in frame stiffness isn't felt so dramatically as opposed to roadbikes where you have skinny tires at 170 psi (12 bar). there a different frame changes the ride big time...on a MTB the difference isn't so big.

    but if i would have to buy a new MTB it sure would be the Scale.

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