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    Ultraterra SNT

    To be more precise: Ultraterra Steel (or Scapin ) No Tubes. Extralite Ultrahubs straight-pull hubs with ceramic bearings, Sapim Laser spokes with ergal nipples, Stan's Notubes ZTR rims with Stan's rim tape.
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    Well are they not called TNT?

    Also-

    UltraTerra TNT

    Oversized moto style, straight-pull flanged UltraHubs SP, NoTubes rims+valve+tape, 28+28 bladed Titanium spokes,
    black Ergal nipples, black anodized with laser etched graphics, fully sealed bearings, 1120g (pair)

    Too bad they will cost you your first born! Again, the price for being a WW
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRT BOY
    Also-

    UltraTerra TNT

    Oversized moto style, straight-pull flanged UltraHubs SP, NoTubes rims+valve+tape, 28+28 bladed Titanium spokes,
    black Ergal nipples, black anodized with laser etched graphics, fully sealed bearings, 1120g (pair)

    Too bad they will cost you your first born! Again, the price for being a WW
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    No, mine are Ultraterra TNT except for the spokes (and for the bearings). I prefer steel spokes and Sergio exceptionally makes me this special version.
    Price? 830 euro including 119 euro of ceramic bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scapin
    No, mine are Ultraterra TNT except for the spokes (and for the bearings). I prefer steel spokes and Sergio exceptionally makes me this special version.
    Price? 830 euro including 119 euro of ceramic bearings.
    Yah, saw that after I posted. Still VERY nice. But that's $1103

    Again, the price of being a WW! Give us a ride report in a month or so.
    I am tempted by the UltraDisc TNT but with ceramic bearings .

    UltraDisc TNT
    Oversized moto style, straight-pull flanged disc specific UltraHubs SPD, fully sealed bearings, NoTubesrims+valve+tape, 28+28 Titanium bladed spokes, Ergal ABS nipples, 1240g
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRT BOY
    Yah, saw that after I posted. Still VERY nice. But that's $1103

    Again, the price of being a WW! Give us a ride report in a month or so.
    I am tempted by the UltraDisc TNT but with ceramic bearings .

    UltraDisc TNT
    Oversized moto style, straight-pull flanged disc specific UltraHubs SPD, fully sealed bearings, NoTubesrims+valve+tape, 28+28 Titanium bladed spokes, Ergal ABS nipples, 1240g
    Yes, but original TNT cost 999 euro!
    ... and they haven't ceramic bearings...

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    Worth it for for the additional 500USD, or so??? I doubt it. Here we have Tune/DT Revo setup for 600USD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    Worth it for for the additional 500USD, or so??? I doubt it. Here we have Tune/DT Revo setup for 600USD.
    ...and 80 gr. more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scapin
    ...and 80 gr. more...
    Exactly my point
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    Mine costs 830 euro with ceramic bearings and weighs 1190 gr., (710 euro with original bearings). Yours cost 600$ (460 euro?) and weighs 1271 gr.... I don't know if 80 gr. worth 360 euro, and I don't know if another 50 gr. less worth 900 euro of TNT... Everyone buy what he likes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    Exactly my point
    +1 on that!

    BUT, for me and marketing EL makes sense as I don't sell Tune .
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRT BOY
    +1 on that!

    BUT, for me and marketing EL makes sense as I don't sell Tune .
    Extralite prices make sense in regard of their little production capacity. They want to remain a little company and high prices allow that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scapin
    Extralite prices make sense in regard of their little production capacity. They want to remain a little company and high prices allow that.
    Of course. That makes sense. It cost smaller companies like Extralite for R&D and production. That's normal for any small company.

    I saying that some of thier items are EXPENSIVE no matter what size the company is. But if you wnat something light, unquie high quality and something that not everyone has, you have to be prepared to pay higher prices and support a small company. Sometimes the same is true of small frame builders. Also labor cost is highr in the EU compared to Taiwan and China and these cost are passed on the the consumer.

    Again, nothing wrong with that.!

    The point is 80g savings worth $471.864!!
    $470+ dollars in not cheap and can buy some much more.

    Again good stuff and I like supporting the "little guy" like myself.
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    Okay correct me if I'm wrong but the old wheels with pillar spokes, standard bearings and the american classic rim (what's the manufacturers name?) was 1190 or in my case 1196.

    Is this wheel stronger/better?

    Any reports on portly riders using these wheels or am I the only one?

    I would like to someday try the pillar ti spokes but I'm concerned about the wheel build being too tricky and stretchy and weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberdoggy
    Okay correct me if I'm wrong but the old wheels with pillar spokes, standard bearings and the american classic rim (what's the manufacturers name?) was 1190 or in my case 1196.

    Is this wheel stronger/better?
    Only new rims and a new freewheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scapin
    Only new rims and a new freewheel.
    I'm curious about the freewheel. Scapin do you know what they changed and how it is better then the old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberdoggy
    I'm curious about the freewheel. Scapin do you know what they changed and how it is better then the old?
    Instead of a titanium spring for each tooth, now there is only an o-ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scapin
    Instead of a titanium spring for each tooth, now there is only an o-ring.
    How is that better? One of the things I like with the new generation hubs, was the spring behind each pawl instead of the o-ring they used in the older hubs. Much more crisp action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRT BOY
    Of course. That makes sense. It cost smaller companies like Extralite for R&D and production. That's normal for any small company.

    I saying that some of thier items are EXPENSIVE no matter what size the company is. But if you wnat something light, unquie high quality and something that not everyone has, you have to be prepared to pay higher prices and support a small company. Sometimes the same is true of small frame builders. Also labor cost is highr in the EU compared to Taiwan and China and these cost are passed on the the consumer.

    Again, nothing wrong with that.!

    The point is 80g savings worth $471.864!!
    $470+ dollars in not cheap and can buy some much more.

    Again good stuff and I like supporting the "little guy" like myself.
    Tune a BIG company?? I don't place Tune in that category. To my my mind Tune and EL rank around the same size but perhaps I'm wrong. What do I know, I'm a stupid American and have few insights into the more subtle aspects of the Euro bike industry scene. I'm just sayin..........
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    Huh, that's interesting. I was hoping the eliminated the "drag" effect some have experienced. I love my EL wheels but from what I could tell the freewheel slides against the hub body via a self lubricating urethane sleeve of sorts. I MAY VERY WELL BE WRONG - but I wish I could get info on this. It's hard to set the manual dictated nm's to the freewheel (8mm key iirc?) and not have quite a bit of drag when coasting. OTOH others have told me that once you break them in the drag disappears.

    I guess I'm surprised that with the o-ring springs and ceramic bearings it's a little heavier then the old ws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    Tune a BIG company?? I don't place Tune in that category. To my my mind Tune and EL rank around the same size but perhaps I'm wrong. What do I know, I'm a stupid American and have few insights into the more subtle aspects of the Euro bike industry scene. I'm just sayin..........
    I did not mean Tune. I would say EL, Tune M5, CK nad I9 are what I call the small guys in hubs. I am sure there are more.

    DT, Shimano, Campagnolo, Easton, Mavic, etc being the "Big Guys."
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    Wow, do people actually still use V-Brakes?
    No longer member of the bike industry nor society, so don't hassle me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    Wow, do people actually still use V-Brakes?
    And your point would be?.....that people shouldn't still be using V-brakes? If your trying to market to the WW crowd that's a really stupid question to ask here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberdoggy
    Okay correct me if I'm wrong but the old wheels with pillar spokes, standard bearings and the american classic rim (what's the manufacturers name?) was 1190 or in my case 1196.
    I am wrong

    The wheels Scapin posted have a rim strip.

    I'll get meh coat . . . .

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    I love the V-brakes.
    I can write a full page why i love them,but i'll save you my boring history...
    I still prefer the V's above discs.Just my way of riding.Maybe not really the best for the Alps or so,but for my riding conditions in Belgium,i've even stopping power left over with V's,PC,Nokons and a good pair of rim brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    Wow, do people actually still use V-Brakes?
    Yes, I do.

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