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    original Crossmax rim weight???

    has anyone the weight of the original, NON UST Crossmax wheelsets rims?

    they are from ca. '98 and had a very box-shaped rim. front 26 hole, rear 28 holes and ceramic coating.

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    hehe, i've seen them on ebay too my best friend wants them. i weighed an old crossmax rim and it was pretty heavy: ~460g from what i can remember. the complete front wheel weighed around 685g.

    note that no tubeless kit will fit cuz the rim bed is so oddly shaped

    and i suppose you could get some rims directly from mavic


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    650g...

    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    hehe, i've seen them on ebay too my best friend wants them. i weighed an old crossmax rim and it was pretty heavy: ~460g from what i can remember. the complete front wheel weighed around 685g.

    note that no tubeless kit will fit cuz the rim bed is so oddly shaped

    and i suppose you could get some rims directly from mavic
    i remember the wheels weights since i had them back then:
    650+850g.
    no , i haven't seen those rims on Ebay. i just have the opportunity to get these rims from Mavic direct and i thought i remebered someone posting the weights. i thought it was about 380-400g?

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    here's the link

    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    i remember the wheels weights since i had them back then:
    650+850g.
    no , i haven't seen those rims on Ebay. i just have the opportunity to get these rims from Mavic direct and i thought i remebered someone posting the weights. i thought it was about 380-400g?
    i just had a look at Ebay and found that auction you mentioned:
    http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...122088850&rd=1

    but i could get them cheaper...

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    I have a set, bought in march '97. 1480 for the set, 650/830 or 630/850, can't remember. Wrecked the rear hub, gave up on it. Front still rides.
    The LBS got a replacement in once, it was 420g. When the wheels hit the market first, rumor said the rims were 370g each. As they were 26/28g with pretty normal spokes, and the Hubs being as flimsy looking as they are to me, not really a surprise that most of the weight was in the rims.
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    M40101 is the part #

    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    has anyone the weight of the original, NON UST Crossmax wheelsets rims?

    they are from ca. '98 and had a very box-shaped rim. front 26 hole, rear 28 holes and ceramic coating.

    thanks
    Well, since I ripped a nipple out of it (again) on the rear wheel , I might be able to give you the exact weight if I get a new rim..they are very light (thats why spoke tension is crucial and even then every now and again I break one)
    And they do weigh 650/850 complete (without QR)

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    Strong and light (for ceramic)

    I have two sets of these wheels. I guess the weight comes from the hubs and to a lesser degree the massive rimstrips, because the rims I have weighed came in around 410 grams. That's the same weight as Mavic 517 ceramics that I have weighed. About the same weight but the Crossmax is definitely a stronger design since it is wider and has the double eyelet spoke holes. They seem to work very well with a DIY latex sealant setup.
    I have had one crack at the spokeholes, I guess due to too much tension.
    They aren't cheap, even from Mavic on a prodeal I think I paid around $75 for one!

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    i dont think the Xmax are more reliable than the 517s. a friend of mine has had his Xmax rims replaced a couple of times, until he finally bought 517s (or 618, dunno exactly).
    since the old Xmax rims are double-eyelet, i thought it might be impossible to get them sealed. even with eclipse, i still have some fluid underneath the rimstrip on my 717 disc rims. and those dont have double-eyelets....


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    Maybe not more reliable...

    I guess Max has a point. I have heard of many people having to replace these rims as I did, from fractures at the spoke holes. The double eyelets create a stronger wheel, though, as long as the tension on the spokes is not too much.
    I have had great luck with tubeless so far. One layer of strapping tape and two layers of electrical tape, side by side and slightly overlapped. The pythons I mounted with this rim job and homemade latex have held air for months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    note that no tubeless kit will fit cuz the rim bed is so oddly shaped

    and i suppose you could get some rims directly from mavic
    I ran Stan's with my crossmax for about 1 year with no problem. As for the weight I just got a CK disc wheelset built up and my 32 hole with Mavic 717 disc rims are 2 oz more then the CrossMax front and rear. The one's I have are from 1999 Keep your eye's on e-bay you might see mine soon!!!!!

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    New Xmax rims cost 100€ from Mavic.
    I have these wheels since 1999 and ripped two nipples in July 2002 and now again one nipple . It always happens in the rear wheel, this time on the non-drive side which is radially spoked. The two times I ripped the nipples was after very muddy rides, where a lot of force went through the wheels. The tension was correct , I had them respoked in july 2002 and did not have to retension them since then.
    They are my favorite set due to their light weight . The rimwall is very thin .
    I had no troubles with the hubs except the occasional change of bearings.
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    thanks guys!!

    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    has anyone the weight of the original, NON UST Crossmax wheelsets rims?

    they are from ca. '98 and had a very box-shaped rim. front 26 hole, rear 28 holes and ceramic coating.

    thanks
    i thought they were lighter . as it seems they aren't. too bad. i'm still looking for a light ceramic rims with 28 holes. as it seems Bontrager might be an option but i will have to weigh some samples. usually the weight varies big time on Bonty rims.

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    nino, i heard rumors that DT swiss can coat rims with a ceramic surface. at least their own ones. why not just buy some notubes/AMC rims and get them coated? in mid-january i will fly to zürich and then take the train to the DT swiss works. maybe they can give me more detailed information


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    Varying weight I see not as a chance to get the lightest possible, but as a warning that quality is very inconsistent.

    The XMAX double eyelits seem like a waste of weight, if they're still pulled through the rim. same goes for Open Pro's really, I have pulled those through as well. Odd that it hardly ever happens to me with single eyelits, even on light rims.
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    Nino, check this out: that might help us create our own ceramic cuperlight rims: http://www.a-m.de/deutsch/literatur/ke0892.htm


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    .... we only gotta find some aluminiumoxide or titaniumoxide :-/


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    [QUOTE=XC Mike]I ran Stan's with my crossmax for about 1 year with no problem.

    Did you use the standard size Stan's rim strip 21.5 - 24.5 mm? What did you use to cover the spoke holes - the rubber band that came withthe crossmax or some different tape? Any other thoughts on this set up? I was thinking of converting my '00 xmax to stan's. Thanks

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    [QUOTE=FPC]
    Quote Originally Posted by XC Mike
    I ran Stan's with my crossmax for about 1 year with no problem.

    Did you use the standard size Stan's rim strip 21.5 - 24.5 mm? What did you use to cover the spoke holes - the rubber band that came withthe crossmax or some different tape? Any other thoughts on this set up? I was thinking of converting my '00 xmax to stan's. Thanks
    Yes the standard size and I removed Mavic rim tape and used Stan's tape in kit.

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    411 grams for a 28 hole model; I just purchased one from a classified here. I would upload a picture but I cannot find my compact flash card reader.

    This rim is slightly wider than a 517 and the spoke bed surface has a rough black finish, not at all like the cd coating available on the 517.

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