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    NEW - revised KCNC V-Brake: 174g !!!

    i just got the revised KCNC VB-1 V-Brakes.

    earlier pre-series samples that already circulate had the problem that the brakearms were too short. this hindered you from using tires wider than 2,0"-2.1". they also had steel hardware to fix the pads and no lever reach adjustement.

    all this has been solved on the final version:
    -arms are now 98mm long just like Extralite Ultrabrakes
    -hardware is now ALL aluminium thus much lighter
    -levers got a reach adjustement bolt

    the result is awesome: 174g for the set front and rear !!!!!!

    levers: 48g

    KCNC has done an excellent job here ! all problems of the earlier series got sorted out, the finish is awesome as well. i will get back with more detailed pictures and info later...
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    They do look great, what is the price on them?
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    They look great. Too bad I dont use Vees.
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    Shoot, and the next lightweight frame I want is definately disc-only :-(
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    They listened !

    Do you think those of us who paid lots of money for the first sets, with the steel hardware (that didn't even fit !!) will get a free alloy brake mount upgrade ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Shoot, and the next lightweight frame I want is definately disc-only :-(

    No worries Cloxxki, What's a pound among 29er zealo...I mean friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    i just got the revised KCNC VB-1 V-Brakes.

    earlier pre-series samples that already circulate had the problem that the brakearms were too short. this hindered you from using tires wider than 2,0"-2.1". they also had steel hardware to fix the pads and no lever reach adjustement.

    all this has been solved on the final version:
    -arms are now 98mm long just like Extralite Ultrabrakes
    -hardware is now ALL aluminium thus much lighter
    -levers got a reach adjustement bolt

    the result is awesome: 174g for the set front and rear !!!!!!

    levers: 48g

    KCNC has done an excellent job here ! all problems of the earlier series got sorted out, the finish is awesome as well. i will get back with more detailed pictures and info later...
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    I will wait until the Vee's become available separate, maybe never. I still have the Extralite Ultralevers, and I won't give them up. They have been great.

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    FWIW - based on ninos advice I run a 2.4 Nobby Nic on the front for better small bump absorption and grip. With my Extralite brakes and levers I do get a little rubbing on the cable (noodle) stop on the top knobs. I've ridden like that for a bit. I might trim the nobs or wear them down so I don't hear the contact under braking.

    For a race last weekend I switched to a 2.25 UST NN up front and similar Racing Ralf on the rear for added blurp, leak comfort and was fine. I certainly was able to grab a paw full of firm braking through to ceramics rims. Nothing puts parts to the test like a race.

    To be fair, some of the EL brakes required the customer to machine the cable/noodle stop bracket a little for it to fit in. That was sort of pathetic.

    I've read more misinformation (and disillusionment) on brakes in these forums then I care to recall It will be very interesting to hear how these hold up out of the box but also both EL's brake setup and the kcnc's long term durability.

    It sounds like KCNC has been really good listening to customer reviews
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    MORE tire clearance with the KCNC brakes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberdoggy
    FWIW - based on ninos advice I run a 2.4 Nobby Nic on the front for better small bump absorption and grip. With my Extralite brakes and levers I do get a little rubbing on the cable (noodle) stop on the top knobs. I've ridden like that for a bit. I might trim the nobs or wear them down so I don't hear the contact under braking.


    It sounds like KCNC has been really good listening to customer reviews
    with the KCNC there is MORE tire clearance. Extralite has that cable-holder thing which has some sharp edges. it's there where your fat tire rubs against. the KCNC have this holder removable so the cables can be attached outside of the arms .his makes for a couple of millimeter bigger clearance also when the brakelevers themselves have the same lenght.


    see that golden coloured cableholder which comes standard.it can be removed and the cable can be attached direct on the sides of the left brakearms. saves weight and gives more clearance as well. picture on the bike is still with the earlier,short version but you get the idea.there is no bulky aluminium thing sticking out just above the tire.
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    Hmm . . I failed to make that observation. You are correct. That is a nice feature.

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    well...

    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    So what's the deal? Are you off KCNC's "shite list" and back in business?
    as you can see i'm still in the business

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    more details...

    here's more details on the new version of the KCNC VB-1 Brakeset:

    -pads now weigh just 32g (were 46g before)
    -naked brakearms weigh 47,6g (were 47,2g)
    -aluminium canti-studs f+r weigh 12g

    and finally shown the complete V-Brake Set consisting of:

    V-Brake front+rear
    Brakelevers left+right
    4 pairs of aluminium cantilever studs (with different threads)
    2 pairs of long aluminium cantibolts
    2 pairs of short aluminium cantibolts
    2 leadpipes
    2 cableholders (golden colour)
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    Hmmm it looks very good! It’s around 30g lighter than the previous version right? No steel hardware, better tire clearance and better leverage, they should also brake better because of this longer brake arms. Well done KCNC

    Have you tested them nino? Is it the same price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    Hmmm it looks very good! Itís around 30g lighter than the previous version right? No steel hardware, better tire clearance and better leverage, they should also brake better because of this longer brake arms. Well done KCNC

    Have you tested them nino? Is it the same price?
    no i haven't tested them yet. yes - same price.

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    price per v-brake? price for a set of levers?

    i saw some extralite levers and a v-brake on ebay a while back. i think the auctions ended at about $140 for one v-brake (one end) and $140 for a set of levers.
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    Are the 4 canti studs normal length Look kinda short to me. Maybe I missed that in an earlier post.

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    cantistuds...

    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberdoggy
    Are the 4 canti studs normal length Look kinda short to me. Maybe I missed that in an earlier post.
    correct - these are shorter lenght to fit the KCNC brakes.

    anway - the KCNC brakes are not only lighter but paired to those studs you will loose even more grams so the advantage compared to the Extralites gets even bigger!!!

    usually a set of steel studs weighs about 22g/pair
    Titaniums are about 14g/pair
    regular aluminium around 12g/pair

    the KCNC studs weigh 6g/pair so you can do the math on the additional savings you get by using these:
    if you already have
    aluminium studs on your bike the KCNC will save at least another 12g in studs alone
    if you have titanium studs additional savings are 16g
    if you have steel studs the savings are 32g


    now have a look at the pricing as well:
    a set of extralite brakes and levers just like the KCNC costs a tremendous amount: 545 Euro compared to this sum the KCNC seem like a final sale-price

    Extralite prices found on their website:
    levers: 169 euro
    v-brakes: 338 euro
    cantistuds front: 19 euro
    cantistuds rear: not available...lets put 19 euro nevertheless
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    Brakelevers seem to be a bit shorter than the ones on the Extralite levers, is this correct?

    How much does a complete set (levers + brakes) cost?

    @Nino, does your actual bike setup differ a lot from the specs as seen on light-bikes.com?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubert
    Brakelevers seem to be a bit shorter than the ones on the Extralite levers, is this correct?

    How much does a complete set (levers + brakes) cost?

    @Nino, does your actual bike setup differ a lot from the specs as seen on light-bikes.com?
    no, the levers are the same size ! see picture.

    "official" price is 330 Euro for the KCNC-set....

    my bike is always changing a bit depending on wheels+tires used...but all the rest is just like listed on light-bikes.com. at the moment i'm using Crossmax SLRs with Conti Speedking 2,1 supersonics.
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    Nino,

    Can you tell us anything about the bearing quality used in both the brakes and levers. Do you seen any differences in long-term durability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubert
    Nino,

    Can you tell us anything about the bearing quality used in both the brakes and levers. Do you seen any differences in long-term durability?
    there is no "bearing".

    but you don't have any bearings on 99% of all v-brakes and levers as well so this shouldn't affect durability at all.

    as far as i know only XTR ,Avid Ultimate and Extralites have bearings on the brakes. and i can definitely tell you that the bearings on my Extralites start running rough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nino
    no, the levers are the same size ! see picture.

    "official" price is 330 Euro for the KCNC-set....

    my bike is always changing a bit depending on wheels+tires used...but all the rest is just like listed on light-bikes.com. at the moment i'm using Crossmax SLRs with Conti Speedking 2,1 supersonics.
    I think he's talking about the handlebar levers. You have not shown us the EL handlebar levers vs. the KCNC - you put a ruler next to the v-brake arm.

    nino doesn't your brake line and computer wire get caught on debris? They are very far in the way. It looks ugly too. Have you thought of a wireless computer.

    I have to admit I'm starting to become more convinced by this brake setup but would like a more thorough test from somebody, preferably someone who doesn't sell them and actually gets their bike dirty.

    Also, it's pretty clear who Extralite is, S.R. has been in Mountain Bike Action magazine and has a pretty transparent website. Who is KCNC, where are based out of etc. etc? It sounds like they responded to complaints very fast

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    ooops...

    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberdoggy
    I think he's talking about the handlebar levers. You have not shown us the EL handlebar levers vs. the KCNC - you put a ruler next to the v-brake arm.

    nino doesn't your brake line and computer wire get caught on debris? They are very far in the way. It looks ugly too. Have you thought of a wireless computer.

    I have to admit I'm starting to become more convinced by this brake setup but would like a more thorough test from somebody, preferably someone who doesn't sell them and actually gets their bike dirty.

    Also, it's pretty clear who Extralite is, S.R. has been in Mountain Bike Action magazine and has a pretty transparent website. Who is KCNC, where are based out of etc. etc? It sounds like they responded to complaints very fast
    i indeed forgot to add the picture. i have now attached it above....the levers have the same size than the Extralites!

    sorry - no wireless for me!!! have you ever weighed your computer? mine weighs 42g including everything. most wireless computers sender on the fork alone weigh as much the Spinner fork in the picture above is NOT the fork i am usually riding with! i usually ride with a tuned SID. the Spinner was just in place for about 2 weeks when my SID lowers got new paint this spring. i didn't pay much attention to the cablemount as it got removed in just a couple of days anyway. no, i never have any poblems with my wire.

    Hey Slob, my bike gets dirty!!

    but i can't give a comment on performance of those brakes yet since i still haven't mounted the KCNCs.
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    Two month report on my KCNC brake set - great ! - Zero problems

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    I was thinking... Can these KCNC brakes stop a heavy guy without any brake failure... like a 90kg (200lb) guy? I'm not that heavy bot just quetioning.

    How much do you weight Ty?

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    same performance than Extralite

    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    I was thinking... Can these KCNC brakes stop a heavy guy without any brake failure... like a 90kg (200lb) guy? I'm not that heavy bot just quetioning.

    How much do you weight Ty?
    the KCNC have no less power than the Extralite!

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    Nino - just wondering what the situation is regarding service if I break a bolt or something and need to get a replacement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    I was thinking... Can these KCNC brakes stop a heavy guy without any brake failure... like a 90kg (200lb) guy? I'm not that heavy bot just quetioning.

    How much do you weight Ty?
    Not sure I have never weighed myself !! Ever !

    5' 11" - average build.

    I am probably not the best person to ask as I use these on tarmac, but they can stop a full on sprint as fast as anything else I have ever used (XTR, XT, avid, Vuelta etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    Nino - just wondering what the situation is regarding service if I break a bolt or something and need to get a replacement?
    With regard to the bolts it is all standard stuff, nothing weird or esoteric at all !!

    In fact its better than that ! The whole design is so simple it only uses chain ring bolts and some M5 bolts !!!!

    The cable pinch bolts on the arms and the clamp bolts on the levers are standard chain ring bolts, which you can get anywhere - the arm mounting bolts are bog standard M5 bolts which you can also get anywhere - and that is it as far as the bolts go, nothing else !!!

    Stuff like pad mounting bolts are also standard, for example, I am using the pad hardware from my old Vueltas and some alloy washers I had lying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ty
    With regard to the bolts it is all standard stuff, nothing weird or esoteric at all !!

    In fact its better than that ! The whole design is so simple it only uses chain ring bolts and some M5 bolts !!!!

    The cable pinch bolts on the arms and the clamp bolts on the levers are standard chain ring bolts, which you can get anywhere - the arm mounting bolts are bog standard M5 bolts which you can also get anywhere - and that is it as far as the bolts go, nothing else !!!

    Stuff like pad mounting bolts are also standard, for example, I am using the pad hardware from my old Vueltas and some alloy washers I had lying around.

    Ty - you missed the point. That question was for NINO, and Nino only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    Ty - you missed the point. That question was for NINO, and Nino only.
    Maybe I did miss your point (whatever it might be?)

    . . . but this is a public forum, you asked a question and I answered it, if you have a question exclusively for Nino then send him an email or a PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ty
    Not sure I have never weighed myself !! Ever !

    5' 11" - average build.

    I am probably not the best person to ask as I use these on tarmac, but they can stop a full on sprint as fast as anything else I have ever used (XTR, XT, avid, Vuelta etc).
    never weighted yourself? lol You should be around 80kg

    My point is that I can’t trust the aluminium brake mounts and bolts holding the brakes and all your safety...
    Isn’t aluminium too soft and prone to crack easily under the high pressures of braking??

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    no problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    never weighted yourself? lol You should be around 80kg

    My point is that I canít trust the aluminium brake mounts and bolts holding the brakes and all your safety...
    Isnít aluminium too soft and prone to crack easily under the high pressures of braking??
    i'm using aluminium all over my v-brakes. never had any trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergio_pt
    Isnít aluminium too soft and prone to crack easily under the high pressures of braking??

    Why the bolts ? The arms are also made from alloy, maybe they will brake under the high pressures of braking, and not just the KCNC brakes, pretty much all high end V brakes are alloy, XTR is alloy, Avids are alloy, maybe these will also brake !

    If you are concerned, simply replace the alloy bolts with steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ty
    Maybe I did miss your point (whatever it might be?)

    . . . but this is a public forum, you asked a question and I answered it, if you have a question exclusively for Nino then send him an email or a PM.


    That question wasnt so much of a question, but a, ahem, compliment to Nino's customer service based on other threads about KCNC stuff.
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    Hi guys,

    Not to jack the thread but ...

    I have a v-brakes on my '07 tassajara and I have been planning on buying a lighter wheel set. I did found one for $200 out the door that weighs around 1800 grams. Pretty cheap and light for the price but my concern is that it needs a disc brake upgrade!

    The reason why I got the Vees was because it was 1 lb lighter than the disc of the same model. I see there's quite a few of you guys that are running Vees and was wondering what wheelset do you guys run? Is it affordable (around $200-300) and light weight (1800 grams)?

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    Crossmax SL (the older silver ones) 1458g - expensive (around $600-$800).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tjay
    Hi guys,

    Not to jack the thread but ...

    I have a v-brakes on my '07 tassajara and I have been planning on buying a lighter wheel set. I did found one for $200 out the door that weighs around 1800 grams. Pretty cheap and light for the price but my concern is that it needs a disc brake upgrade!

    The reason why I got the Vees was because it was 1 lb lighter than the disc of the same model. I see there's quite a few of you guys that are running Vees and was wondering what wheelset do you guys run? Is it affordable (around $200-300) and light weight (1800 grams)?
    I think I saw that Performance had the CrossMax XLs on sale for insanely low prices. 1624g and a bomber wheelset. Maybe 400 for the set? You get ceramic rims as well.
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    @ Ty

    It is chequamagon's continueing digs at Nino about his selling of light weight parts and that it appears to chequamagon that Nino is always trying to sell something. In regards to this post, chequamagon is pointing out that Nino is not going to help out a person that bought a KCNC post and then while riding, came down on the seat and broke the post (the way it is supposed to break according to the design) and Nino would not warranty the post.

    I am sure that chequamagon will continue to go after Nino when he can as he does not agree with the way that Nino posts on this site.

    Maybe we should just start a thread called chequamagon vs. Nino. This way we can keep the posts about specific parts or other discussions on topic and chequamagon and Nino can have it out in a thread all to themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdc88
    @ Ty

    It is chequamagon's continueing digs at Nino about his selling of light weight parts and that it appears to chequamagon that Nino is always trying to sell something. In regards to this post, chequamagon is pointing out that Nino is not going to help out a person that bought a KCNC post and then while riding, came down on the seat and broke the post (the way it is supposed to break according to the design) and Nino would not warranty the post.

    I am sure that chequamagon will continue to go after Nino when he can as he does not agree with the way that Nino posts on this site.

    Maybe we should just start a thread called chequamagon vs. Nino. This way we can keep the posts about specific parts or other discussions on topic and chequamagon and Nino can have it out in a thread all to themselves.

    It all makes sense now !

    Evil ol' Nino ! In a world with childhood leukemia, liver disease, rape, pedophilia and cancer I think we should put time aside to seek out where Nino posts and berate him.

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    Is $418 USD, which includes shipping, a good price?

    Delete if inappropriate but I'm just curious if that is a good price or if they are being sold for less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberdoggy
    Is $418 USD, which includes shipping, a good price?

    Delete if inappropriate but I'm just curious if that is a good price or if they are being sold for less.
    IMO, that's a very good price for the XLs and an excellent price for the Sls.
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    Does anyone know if KCNC are going to make a kit available to those who bought the product before the update, most of us had to do a bit of botching/chopping to get the awful pad mounting hardware to work.

    I am even prepared to pay !

    "customer service" . . . . hint . . . . hint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ty
    Does anyone know if KCNC are going to make a kit available to those who bought the product before the update, most of us had to do a bit of botching/chopping to get the awful pad mounting hardware to work.

    I am even prepared to pay !

    "customer service" . . . . hint . . . . hint.
    How can one spot the old version verses the new version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberdoggy
    How can one spot the old version verses the new version?
    Old version:

    Steel pad mounting hardware that doesn't actually fit (!!) - no reach adjustment on levers.

    . . . . . . . .


    New version:

    Alloy pad mounting hardware on the brake arms (looks nice in the gold) + reach adjustment screws (red anodized) on the levers. + Longer brake arms to allow the use of bigger tyres.

    The newer version is also lighter because of the alloy pad mounting hardware.

    I understand that the reach adjustment would be difficult/impossible to retrofit - and to be honest I don't need it as I am happy with the levers as they are - but it would be great for all us folk who supported the company early on to at least have the chance to buy an alloy pad hardware upgrade - and not even for weight reasons ! - my pad mounting hardware has extra washers - rounded out alan heads and all sorts of crap going on from when I tried to install the poorly made hardware.


    C'mon KCNC, customer support !
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    C'mon KCNC, customer support !
    LMFAO!!! Hell they are in the UK!

    They can't stop ebay and other NON-AUTHORIZED SELLERS.

    IMO, their CS sucks! I have nothing of complaints about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRT BOY
    LMFAO!!! Hell they are in the UK!

    They can't stop ebay and other NON-AUTHORIZED SELLERS.

    IMO, their CS sucks! I have nothing of complaints about them.

    Get in the queue behind me DB !

    How are you getting on with the new member of the family ? I might be dropping one myself soon !*

    *well not me personally, but you know what I mean.

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    I email KCNC direct and was discussing all the issues that I had with the V1 product and they did not really care to much. Their suggestion was to sell them and buy the V2 product. It would be great to get new pad holders with proper mounting hardware but this was a good lesson for me to hold off getting the next best and brightest new product until they shake down the product for a while.

    While they were good at getting back to me in regards to my emails, there was no way that they were going to help me out.

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    c'mon...

    Quote Originally Posted by bdc88
    I email KCNC direct and was discussing all the issues that I had with the V1 product and they did not really care to much. Their suggestion was to sell them and buy the V2 product. It would be great to get new pad holders with proper mounting hardware but this was a good lesson for me to hold off getting the next best and brightest new product until they shake down the product for a while.

    While they were good at getting back to me in regards to my emails, there was no way that they were going to help me out.
    the only problem the 1st generation had was that you had to add a washer so you had enough thread to thighten. this really isn't that much of a problem but still annoying when you get a brakeset for this kind of money.

    i personally don't use the reach adjustement on the new levers. i never did as well on the Extralite Ultralevers too.

    @Slobberdoggy:
    you can easily tell the difference between "old" and "new"

    "old":
    steel pad mounting hardware. the allen nut is silver
    no red reach adjustement bolt at the levers

    "new":
    golden aluminium nut for pad mounting
    red reach adjustement bolt

    it should be possible to get the alloy hardware upgrade. i'll try my best. i also just ordered a couple of spare parts for the seatpost after getting the short end of the stick last time....

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