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    My 17 lbs Lynskey Ti hardtail

    So for a very long time ever since I was a little kid I wanted a titanium mountain bike. Unfortunately paper routes + allowance money could never afford such luxuries. I remember reading Mountain Bike Action Magazines as a kid. Drooling over the pictures of Litespeeds, Merlins, Kona Hei Heis and King Kahunas. I actually was ready to buy a Kona King Kahuna reproduction for the past 2 years (2007 & 2008), but Kona never imported that frame to North America in 2007 and did not in 2008. Hence I went with a full squish last year. I had built up a full suspension bike last year to experience what full squishy is like. Prior to that I had only ridden hardtails, and I missed the shear sprint power that a hardtail brings.

    Last year's build: My 19.7 lbs Kona Hei Hei Supreme finally done...

    The 90s were days of anodized CNC'd parts from Kooka, Pauls, Ringle, Answer, Hope, TNT... I loved those days. My favorite color was definitely 3D Violet (3DV aka Purple aka my eyes hurt color). My dream bike back then was

    Litespeed Ocoee
    Litespeed stem
    3DV Chris King headset
    3DV Ringle Hubba Bubba Hubs
    3DV Ringle Post
    3DV Kooka Cranks
    Philwood square taper BB
    XTR M952 front D
    XTR M952 shifters
    Pauls Rear Derailleur
    Mavic 517 rims
    SID fork

    For which I actually researched for many weeks trying to find NOS parts or even taking modern parts and re-anodizing them for the Lynskey frame. Thankfully the amount of effort required meant it was not feasible, and no one would do a custom one off purple batch of parts in Toronto. I even toyed with the idea of doing the anodizing myself, but questioned what I would do with all that acid afterwards and how to dispose of it.

    The idea of lets spend stupid amounts of money and build a new bike when I had two perfectly good mountain bikes came from this picture:



    The owner I believe posts over on the Vintage, Retro, Classic subforum.

    So with the idea "Hey let's build your dream bike when you were a little kid." I fire sold my 2005 Specialized Stumpjumper Disc bike @ 22 lbs with every single part upgraded to put a deposit on the Lynskey frame.

    Since Litespeed is a shell of what they used to be, and finding out that the Lynskey family had opened up shop after their non-compete clause with American Bicycle Group expired; meant my first seach went to http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/

    The build started off with an email to sales@lynskeyperformance.com asking more about the M230 frame. There were some things I was looking for in the Ti frame. Breezer style dropouts, shaped tubing, under Top tube cable routing. The stock M230 frame that Lynskey offered on their site seemed to fit me perfectly. For a couple of hundred more bucks I got: slightly lengthened top tube, Level 2 bi-axially shaped downtube, the routing moved to the top. The discussion of selecting a Ti frame came to be in the thread below (thanks to all who contributed in that thread):

    How light can a Ti Hardtail frame be?

    Jack from Lynskey was the guy I dealt with over the emails. This is what I told Jack during one of our email exchanges,

    "What I want my bike to do?"

    * Cut up the single track
    * Climb like a mountain goat
    * Win races
    * Sub 17.5 Lbs race ready bike (sub 2.85 lbs frame if possible)

    He responded. Not a problem. We traded emails back and forth regarding questions on BB height, angles, different cable routing, axle to crown measurements of the forks I wanted to use, color etc... The frame is basically a stock 2009 M230 17" frame with slightly longer top tube with shaped downtube and level 2 upgraded tubeset (butted tubes). Then I made the splurge and called him up with my credit card information to place a deposit.

    One month later he sent me a PDF file of a CAD layout of my new Bike. We traded emails back and forth while I made redlines to each drawing revision until we were both happy and I gave him the Authorization to Proceed (ATP).



    One week after ATP I got an email from Jamie who looks after all the post welding finishing to see if this is how I wanted the graphics to be laid out on my bike. Yet another PDF drawing for me to approve.



    By end of November they had finished my frame. I had them get a copy of my bike's drawing autographed by Chris and David Lynskey.

    Meanwhile the parts collection had started. Unfortunately the Canadian Dollar tanked against the USD right around the time the financial sector imploded. Crap. The parts come from various sources:

    All fasteners came from http://torontocycles.com/
    Tools and other odds and ends Universal Cycles & Mountain Equipment Co-Op
    Hope Brakes from http://www.wiggle.co.uk/
    Middleburn Parts from Chain Reaction Cycles
    Tires and Cassette from http://sales.light-bikes.com/
    Tune Parts http://www.royalbicycles.com/
    Wheels by Jeremy and Sarah over at http://www.alchemybicycleworks.com/
    XTR Parts and other odds and ends from Ebay USA and Ebay Hong Kong
    Random items from Local Bike store: http://dukescycle.ca/ & http://www.gearsbikeshop.com/

    The idea behind the parts selection was, Light as possible without going stupid. I can not come to terms of buying thm clavicula cranksets, or Ax lightness saddles and posts, nor could I ever justify a schmolke handlebar. So I picked what I felt was the best parts that mainstream manufacturers today have to offer. The Hope brakes pay homage to the days of CNC'd bling parts. The Easton carbon EC90 seatpost and handlebar reflect that they were one of the first companies to offer carbon fibre parts to the bicycling industry and I always wanted one. The wheels are just simply amazing, originally it was just going to be Notubes ZTR Race. After talking with Jeremy Parfitt I was again convinced to go full custom like I have done on all my other bikes.

    I'm not going to re-summarize the discussion on each and every part. I do thank everyone who has contributed their 2 cents on the pros and cons of each part I have asked about:

    Hope Brakes: 2009 Hope Mini X2 Pro Weights and Pics
    Middleburn RS8 DUO: 2x9: Middleburn RS8 ISIS Duo = 522g (no BB)
    Bottom Bracket sizing: Is this Bottom Bracket too narrow? Am I playing with fire?
    Manitou R7 MRD cable routing: Manitou MRD R7 - Correct brake hose routing?
    3DV: Titanium Frame + 3DV = ?
    Frame: Lynksey Titanium M230 - 17" semi custom 1343g
    Tune hubs, Ti spokes: Ok, looks like the forum is boring lately... 1185g Custom Tune wheels

    So here are some pictures...


    Frame weight



    Breezer Dropouts


    100mm Manitou MRD R7 Absolute


    Middleburn RS8 ISIS DUO 29T/42T


    Front wheel


    Rear Wheel




    Talc'n the tubes and inner tire (helps a bit for pinch flats, plus your bike smells nice afterwards)


    The golden bling Ti cassette


    Easton EC90 setback seatpost 31.6mm w/ Titanium bolt


    Cycle King carbon saddle


    Anything that didn't get copper antiseize got threadlocking compound. No threads were left bare.



    checking to see if there is still a gap... .0015 feeler gauge


    fork sizing


    weight of remaining steerer tube


    fork, stem, headset, spacers, cap installed


    104g EC90 bar installed. If you have been following this forum you will know the story.


    tuned w/ anodized aluminum gold bolts


    Rear wheel put together


    The bike being weighed


    The final built weight









    Those are my poorly taken pictures. Now for some beauties that my friend Bill took for me to use to submit to the http://www.light-bikes.de/eng/2009/0...-contest-2009/ contest.





















    The bike has been assembled following all the NASA standards, processes and practices for mechanical integration of space flight hardware for manned and un-manned flight that I have learned over the 4+ years as an Aerospace Manufacturing Engineer. Comments and criticisms are welcomed.
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    Cheers,
    Needless to say, but I'm green with envy..

    Awesome build and write up....


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    Beautiful build. Titanium rocks. You should get the fork painted gold to match the chain/cassette! Also, a KCNC seatpost would save some weight. I doubt the CF is improving the ride quality. Though I suppose you wanted to match the handlebars? I'm assuming you'll be buying nino's magical tubes when they become available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcgoy
    Beautiful build. Titanium rocks. You should get the fork painted gold to match the chain/cassette! Also, a KCNC seatpost would save some weight. I doubt the CF is improving the ride quality. Though I suppose you wanted to match the handlebars? I'm assuming you'll be buying nino's magical tubes when they become available.
    I'll look into getting a pair or two of the tubes to try out as long as shipping isn't killer on them.

    regarding the KCNC Ti-Pro Lite seatpost, I'm a non believer of that seatpost, and any seatpost that shares the same clamping mechanism. YMMV of course, but I didn't have any luck with my. If you picked up the upper and lower craddle off of a thomson seatpost and used that with the KCNC Ti-Pro Lite that may be a worthwhile option. I had two issues with my Ti-Pro Lite, the front bolt head snapped off, and the small narrow cradle doesn't support the rails enough.



    Others on this forum had the same problem. And I assure you I used a torque wrench that had just recently been calibrated to install the bolts on the KCNC seatpost.
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    That final build is so awesome!

    Now that you got some pretty pics takes, its time to get 'er dirty!

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    Such a beautiful bike! Im only about 10 minutes from Lynskey.

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    Very nice. Very very nice.

    If I was assembling - I would have changed seatpost to Masterpiece. Just looks cleaner for the same weight. And headset to Crank Brothers SL - it looks integrated on a ti headtube, and 10g lighter. And maybe R7 to Durin in a custom color...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Very nice. Very very nice.

    If I was assembling - I would have changed seatpost to Masterpiece. Just looks cleaner for the same weight. And headset to Crank Brothers SL - it looks integrated on a ti headtube, and 10g lighter. And maybe R7 to Durin in a custom color...
    I know... but the seatpost came off of ebay for 35 USD with me the only bidder. The seller spelled easton wrong. I couldn't complain for that price and it was brand new.

    I didn't realize the cups on the Tune headset would stick out so far until I went to go install it. By then it was too late, but at least the headset matches the hubs.

    The fork was 299 USD closeout special from JensonUSA because it is a 2008 model. I couldn't turn that down! Plus it is suppose to be the lightest 100mm XC fork on the market now (providing it works).

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    Have you found that placing a housing seal after the pinch bolt on the xtr derailleur has adversly effected shifting in any way? I would have thought it would have bunched up when shifting to the larger gears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luffy
    Have you found that placing a housing seal after the pinch bolt on the xtr derailleur has adversly effected shifting in any way? I would have thought it would have bunched up when shifting to the larger gears.
    Hrm... I'll keep an eye on it. This is the first time I installed the seals on the SP41 housings.

    My main concern is will this fork work... I hope I don't have the dreaded click from the valve, and leaking air chambers pressurizing the wrong side of the piston.

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    super nice, reliable, solid build. Many kudos to you on it. Please give some feedback on the cranks vs. the shimanos on your other bike. I'm looking into them myself.

    Only thing I see on the build that I would have done differently is the headtube height. If I was going to add that many spacers, I would have made the headtube 1/2" or so longer.

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    This is what I was expecting from you and maybe just a little more. I really love the high quality photos to really bring it all home. The weight is nothing short of fantastic, mostly because I can't pick out anything that looks weak. I don't think I wold have chosen that saddle, but thats a personal deal. All in all, thats a really sweet ride, and I know you are going to love it.

    (Slightly off topic, but wasn't that you posting about the new gold GT zaskar at ww chat forum, just after you said this was your last bike?)

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    Awesome. Can you post some muddy pics after some miles? I'm still jonesin' here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cranked
    This is what I was expecting from you and maybe just a little more. I really love the high quality photos to really bring it all home. The weight is nothing short of fantastic, mostly because I can't pick out anything that looks weak. I don't think I wold have chosen that saddle, but thats a personal deal. All in all, thats a really sweet ride, and I know you are going to love it.

    (Slightly off topic, but wasn't that you posting about the new gold GT zaskar at ww chat forum, just after you said this was your last bike?)
    Thanks for the compliments. Fortunately the that Gold GT Zaskar bike is not for sale. You have to win it by placing 1st in a GT sponsored race. I drink too much beer and eat too much ice cream to place 1st in anything.

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    That's a beautiful bike Cheers! What category will you be racing in this year?
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    Very nice build. Looks very high qaulity and the parts are hard to say anything bad about. Great looking. Tell us how it rides. What rims are those (sorry if you already mentioned this)? And do you like running tubeless or no because if you use a minimal amount of sealant with just the yellow tape and stem it is even lighter.

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    Bike looks pretty darn good and well built!





    What type of and who's tubing do Lynskey use?

    Give us a ride report and comparison to your previous bike.

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    First off, that was very well written. Most of these posts I skim, this one was worth reading.

    Second, holy crap that bike looks fast. The cranks are beautiful. Nice build!

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    cheers-

    fantastic write up and nice shots of everything. I've always had a thing for ti. I'd love to do titanium with pink bits here and there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    Thanks for the compliments. Fortunately the that Gold GT Zaskar bike is not for sale. You have to win it by placing 1st in a GT sponsored race. I drink too much beer and eat too much ice cream to place 1st in anything.
    ah, yes...another with "much upside" falls prey to the dreaded beer and ice cream combo dream killer

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    Great looking bike. Should roll super fast. I'm going to fool around and pickup a nice hard-tail frame myself here soon if you don't stop posting.

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    Congrats..

    Looks unreal--- really love the write up.

    Thanks again for all your help..

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    Beautiful bike, inspiring build.

    I have a '96 Waterford custom I'm trying to decide what to do with. Retire it and hang the thing on a wall, or send it back to Waterford for a repaint and disc brake mounts added to make it modern. I wish I could afford a Ti frame, but steel has always been real for me. Last time I weighed it, it was 20.5 lbs or so. If I could get it within a pound and a half of yours-that would be something.

    Again, it's a beautiful bike- there's something special in riding something that was built just for you. Let us know how it rides!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitsuma
    Beautiful bike, inspiring build.

    I have a '96 Waterford custom I'm trying to decide what to do with. Retire it and hang the thing on a wall, or send it back to Waterford for a repaint and disc brake mounts added to make it modern. I wish I could afford a Ti frame, but steel has always been real for me. Last time I weighed it, it was 20.5 lbs or so. If I could get it within a pound and a half of yours-that would be something.

    Again, it's a beautiful bike- there's something special in riding something that was built just for you. Let us know how it rides!

    haha, i have a 90s custom Rockhound that getting powdercoated right now, i dont want the disk tabs yet though. my 19" frame is 1940g, so if you used the same parts as Cheers it would be about 1-1/2lb heavier.

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    I love it! what about some ti headset spacers? this pic looks like it's flying downhill, have fun
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    Nice build! Thanks for sharing!
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    Wow! One MAJOR problem though... the pics should have been taken in the big ring! I've a soft spot for brit kit, those Middleburns and Hopes are so nice!

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    That frame is absolutely gorgeous!

    a ti Lynsky or Moots are like my dream bikes *sigh*, congrats on a sweet build.

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    Damn, that's nice!!! How does the saddle ride and hold up? Thanks for showing me my dream bike!

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    Amazing. Love the photos! One of my favorite builds. This one and the Kona Hei Hei posted a while back are my favorite Ti Bikes.

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    i just build up the same bike not quite 17lbd but very happy with it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfoxy76
    i just build up the same bike not quite 17lbd but very happy with it!
    Out of those two builds I will take yours.

    Not because Cheers's build ain't pretty, but because your wheels and fork are a better fit for my 195lb ass.
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    haha i think mine is approx 21lbs not 100% sure, i love the I9 wheels and the world cup sid fork.
    i am 195lbs also!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    The bike has been assembled following all the NASA standards, processes and practices for mechanical integration of space flight hardware for manned and un-manned flight that I have learned over the 4+ years as an Aerospace Manufacturing Engineer. Comments and criticisms are welcomed.
    Do those standards allow yellow zip ties on a red fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausable
    Do those standards allow yellow zip ties on a red fork?
    Haha... not made in China crap zip ties. The space flight zip ties are thermal vacuum compatible (does not off gas), and use a metal tang inside the square that does the click.

    I've only ever seen light blue colored NASA approved zip ties. I'm not sure if there are any other colors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    I've only ever seen light blue colored NASA approved zip ties. I'm not sure if there are any other colors...
    You have to get some of those on it.

    I should be able to find some chunk of aluminum used to manufacture a support structure for one satellite based experiment I worked on. I should manufacture some parts for my bike out of it...

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    that is one beautiful bike man !!

    not to mention a well thought out build

    thanks a lot for sharing, the white stealth bike is not too shabby either :-)

    thanks again

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    I always thought road derailleurs where bottom pull. Am i wrong? How did you set it up?
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    Oh my lord. That is amazing. Absolutely amazing. You build a good bike cheers, ill give you that. I'd take any steed from your stable....

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    He using a speen adapter to convert a bottom pull to top pull.
    You will notice the adapter on the picture showing the (gorgeous) middleburrn cranks
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    Gotta ask, why so many headset spacers on a custom frame? I always find this baffling, especially on road bikes. Make the head tube longer from the outset, much nicer looking.
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    I agree on the spacers, I got CK blue spacers with the King TI headset but lost them so the shop just used what they had for now. also going to add blue alligator iline cable housings and that is it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the rat
    Oh my lord. That is amazing. Absolutely amazing. You build a good bike cheers, ill give you that. I'd take any steed from your stable....
    Thanks for all the complement guys.

    Rat: That is quiet a compliment, I'm flattered.

    For the reason for all the spacers is that I haven't dialed in the fit of the bike yet, so I've kept the steerer tube quite long. Also if I find that I don't wish to keep the fork, it is much easier to sell a fork with a long steerer tube than a short one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    Haha... not made in China crap zip ties. The space flight zip ties are thermal vacuum compatible (does not off gas), and use a metal tang inside the square that does the click.

    I've only ever seen light blue colored NASA approved zip ties. I'm not sure if there are any other colors...

    Ha....so when is the launch date? Aerospace Engineers are so anti-failure!

    Beautiful build....BTW
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    Yea, I know it's possible... If I built the Waterford back up, it will be with my old parts bin stuff. That bike has had it's day. I've moved on to a full-suss bike. Cheers!'s Lynskey made me nostalgic for a super sweet custom hardtail.

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    pics arent working
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    Quote Originally Posted by coachjon
    pics arent working
    HAHA, bandwidth exceeded. Too many people were checking out his ride.
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    crap... You have exceeded the limit on your Photobucket account. I'll move it to google images... brb

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    ok fixed. Let's see how badly you guys can hammer Flickr before it starts to whine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    ok fixed. Let's see how badly you guys can hammer Flickr before it starts to whine.

    Awesome. I like.

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    i can see them now and i am glad crazy sick bike.

    not bad for little wheels...
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    How does that thing ride, Cheers? Please tell us you ride it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah
    How does that thing ride, Cheers? Please tell us you ride it...
    The trials are all water logged now with the snow and spring rains. Riding the trails now means you will be walking your bike from one mud hole to another and ruining the trails for the rest of the season.

    I did take it out for a spin around town. Spent an hour adjusting the sag, and trying to true the brake rotors. The Hope rotors are not as true as I would have liked them to be. Shimano, Avid, Magura, and even Ashima/Alligator rotors are more true.

    The bike rides nice. Handling is responsive, the geometry fits me like a glove. All out sprint on big ring and little cog in the back seems to be putting down power very well. I'm sure there is no way the frame is as stiff as a scott scale carbon or a 90s Klein Attitude, but the bike seems to respond well to power.

    Brake power is coming around with the pads bedding in a bit.

    I think I can lower the stem some more and maybe chop the steerer tube. I'll wait till I get some riding time on the trails before I do that though.

    Once the trails firm up a bit the bike will be making its debut on dirt.


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    I don't like the positioning of the drive side crank arm for photos... other than that, I guess it's ok

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    Nice build! Now I can't decide which of your bikes is nicer, this or the Hei-Hei

    You never answered rkj, what category are you racing this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    Nice build! Now I can't decide which of your bikes is nicer, this or the Hei-Hei

    You never answered rkj, what category are you racing this year?
    Senior Sport Male. I'm a little worried, that has got to be the most competitive class out of the whole weekend, and I haven't ever raced an O cup race. I've only ever raced the relay races, hopefully a 55 min lap around Albion in 24 hour races is good enough to race in Sport class. My goal this year is not to finish last.

    On a side note: How do you laminate the UCI licence that the OCA mails to you?

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    Sounds like your lap times are similar or a bit better than mine at the 24h, and I'm racing Sr. Sport as well. I think it's safe to say we both will not be last.

    As for laminating the license, I'm not sure you do? I just sort of stuck mine in there. The plastic keeps it from getting too beat up by other stuff in my wallet. Input from others is welcome on this subject though!

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    congratulations on your new beauty! enjoyed the buildup pics, thanks so much for sharing!

    ride safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    Senior Sport Male. I'm a little worried, that has got to be the most competitive class out of the whole weekend, and I haven't ever raced an O cup race. I've only ever raced the relay races, hopefully a 55 min lap around Albion in 24 hour races is good enough to race in Sport class. My goal this year is not to finish last.
    A 55 min Solstice lap is pretty quick. You'll find that there is a big spread from 1st to last place. I think you have a very good chance of achieving your goal.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    BEAUTIFUL bike. I noticed elsewhere that you're from Toronto, will I get the pleasure of seeing that bik--...work of art... in the Don?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwd_26
    BEAUTIFUL bike. I noticed elsewhere that you're from Toronto, will I get the pleasure of seeing that bik--...work of art... in the Don?
    You bet! I could every couple of weeks to the Don.

    But I'm at Albion Hills every Thursday after work once the trails are firmed up.

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    I've taken my licenses to Staples, they do a good job laminating the picture in for a couple of bucks.

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    Cheers, I think you build some great bikes. You should do a thread with all of the bikes you've built and their weights.

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    Cheers, very nice bike! Congratulations
    I too have a Lynskey and, honestly (I was like .. when I saw yours; what a coincidence!), was going to have similar build, but decided to go for more all-round / regular setup
    It's 10kg even with some dirt
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    absolutely gorgeous, great build.
    Mary ss shenanigans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    Comments and criticisms are welcomed.
    Comment? AWESOME

    Criticism? NONE

    Inspiration to build something really special? DEFINITELY
    I'm unique, just like everyone else....

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    I see your Velo Plug weight is 9.5 grams.. but you qoute 3.5 per wheel... what am missing... Just ordered my plugs and am curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikoli8
    I see your Velo Plug weight is 9.5 grams.. but you qoute 3.5 per wheel... what am missing... Just ordered my plugs and am curious
    3.5g is correct... I guess it's just an over sight.

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    Cheers: On a side note: How do you laminate the UCI licence that the OCA mails to you?

    I asked the same question of my wife and voila ... next day I had a laminated license.

    Congratulation on that amazing bike! I hope to see it at the O-Cups this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious
    Cheers: On a side note: How do you laminate the UCI licence that the OCA mails to you?

    I asked the same question of my wife and voila ... next day I had a laminated license.

    Congratulation on that amazing bike! I hope to see it at the O-Cups this year.
    I had my copy centre at work print out a picture of my head via the high quality color laser printer, and they glued it to to the license. Then I mentioned if they could do laminating too, and they ran it through their laminating machine. I didn't end up using the clear plastic pouch thingy that OCA gives you.

    I'm actually quite concerned about the April 26th race. I haven't had that many kms on my legs. Only jogging and weight since last fall. Plus I've been indulging heavily into the beers these past couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Out of those two builds I will take yours.

    Not because Cheers's build ain't pretty, but because your wheels and fork are a better fit for my 195lb ass.
    I second that! Its a far more sensible build for trail riding- it even has tread on the tyres

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    I had my copy centre at work print out a picture of my head via the high quality color laser printer, and they glued it to to the license. Then I mentioned if they could do laminating too, and they ran it through their laminating machine. I didn't end up using the clear plastic pouch thingy that OCA gives you.

    I'm actually quite concerned about the April 26th race. I haven't had that many kms on my legs. Only jogging and weight since last fall. Plus I've been indulging heavily into the beers these past couple of weeks.
    I'm thinking that might be my first serious MTB ride of the season. My cross bike will be getting the action in April.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    I second that! Its a far more sensible build for trail riding- it even has tread on the tyres
    I have like 600 bucks worth of mountain bike tires in a box in my garage. I just put a couple of tires into the trunk of my car and if the trail conditions are wet, I put on a set of Panarace FireXC Pros. If they are pure mud I use Maxxis Medusa. If it's loose but semi dry I use Racing Ralphs. If it's dry with sandy conditions I use Rocket Rons. If the trails are dry and hard packed like the local trails I ride very often (Albion Hills), I use Furious Freds. If I go somewhere where I have never been and the topography is rocky I have a set of Nobby Nics.

    It all boils the trail condition. The furious freds happen to be the lightest tires in my collection and the ones I use most often mid summer. So they were chosen for the picture. I even spent an hour scrubbing the tires with a bucket of soapy water to get the "black" to come out rather than the brown dirt that it's caked in just for the photos.

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    I managed to have my very first outdoor ride yesterday. But I used the Superfly because I expected bad roads after the winter. It was great even if my legs were dead (due to indoor intervals the previous 2 days).

    I just had a crazy thought. Imagine Cheer's bike as a rigid single speed. It would be a 15 lbs bike, a full 3.5 lbs lighter than my road bike.
    My rides:
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    What was the total price for these 3 builds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by longcat
    What was the total price for these 3 builds?
    I hope the gf doesn't see this thread...

    Cervelo: 5000
    Kona: 5000
    Lynskey 6000

    +/- 300 bucks give or take for each build...

    The cervelo would've been more but I managed to sell all the parts from it after just 8 months of service and kept only the frame and the fork. It's the Soloist team so it is not carbon fibre. But it weighs 14.99 lbs.



    In hindsight I could've skipped cycling all together, used the money that is in the bicycles + trade in my car and got a 2007 Subaru Impreza STi.

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    That cervelo look kickass..
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    That Cervelo clearly needs MORE logos....

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    that IS a beautiful bike and i commend you on your build documentation

    however.... you obviously dont ride steep, rough terrain, or you would NEVER have mounted those silly tires

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerick
    that IS a beautiful bike and i commend you on your build documentation

    however.... you obviously dont ride steep, rough terrain, or you would NEVER have mounted those silly tires

    but its all about how light it can look on the interwebs..... not how it really rides!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerick
    however.... you obviously dont ride steep, rough terrain, or you would NEVER have mounted those silly tires
    FF are not that bad.

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    you would not want to be on semi slicks where i ride....

    oh, i suppose they would work good, to and from the rides

    granted, i run a kenda klimax lite in the rear, during the winter when its tacky

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    the bike is setup for where a ride. Tight fast cross country single track with lots of climbs. It has a relative short top tube with a long stem. The geometry is pretty much a traditional 73 seat tube and 71 head tube (give or take a little bit). The head tube height is short and the saddle to bar drop is a lot more pronounced than an all mountain bike.

    My bike would not work where you ride, just like how your bike would be pointless where I ride.

    I don't see the point in your post other than posting just for the sake of posting.
    Last edited by Cheers!; 04-16-2009 at 06:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerick
    you would not want to be on semi slicks where i ride....

    oh, i suppose they would work good, to and from the rides

    granted, i run a kenda klimax lite in the rear, during the winter when its tacky
    Around Concord? FF, especially with sealant and lower pressure should be OK in most places around here (I live on peninsula), not too durable, but plenty of places to ride them successfully. I did run Fast Freds 2.25 around, they do work. Definitely not a completely show off tire.

    Some reviews on Furious: The official Furious Fred Thread. . .

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    In the trunk of my car I have a box of tires. 6 spare tubes, a tire pump...

    Maxxis Medusa
    Racing Ralph
    Nobby Nic
    Panaracer FireXC Pro
    Continental Mountain King
    Michelin XC Dry2
    Kenda Small Block 8s
    and the Furious Freds mounted on the rims.

    racerick: Which tire do you want me to use?

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    Don't worry about the haters. Just ride your bike. Rumor has it, much of the Don has dried out nicely.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    Don't worry about the haters. Just ride your bike. Rumor has it, much of the Don has dried out nicely.
    Damn! I will have to check that out. I've been slaving away on the road bike... I haven't even ventured on any mountain bikes yet for 2009. Albion is set to open on the 24th according to the customer service at TRCA.

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    Those are all pretty beautiful, but doesn't putting baby powder on the tubes ad half a gram? That might slow you down 0.00007 of a second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domtar
    Those are all pretty beautiful, but doesn't putting baby powder on the tubes ad half a gram? That might slow you down 0.00007 of a second.


    (a pinch flat will slow you down more than that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    In the trunk of my car I have a box of tires. 6 spare tubes, a tire pump...

    Maxxis Medusa
    Racing Ralph
    Nobby Nic
    Panaracer FireXC Pro
    Continental Mountain King
    Michelin XC Dry2
    Kenda Small Block 8s
    and the Furious Freds mounted on the rims.

    racerick: Which tire do you want me to use?
    just stating my opinion about those silly tires with no knobs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerick
    just stating my opinion about those silly tires with no knobs...
    Obviously you know what tires work well for you in the conditions you ride. There are lots of riders out there that can make the Furious Freds work well for them in certain conditions they ride in. Just because they are not well suited to you and the trails you ride, does not make them "silly" by default. But, you're entitled to your opinion about them I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racerick
    just stating my opinion about those silly tires with no knobs...
    Silly is you opinion. Tires work just fine for their purpose. Did you ever ride cyclocross bike with 35mm small knobbies? With just a bit of practice it can clear pretty much anything. Not everybody needs a 3.0 Nokian Gazzaloddi on a trail.

    You are like most americans who think you need a 4L high clearance SUV anywhere there is no asphalt, when in fact a small compact will clear it just as fast or faster.

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    Beautiful bike! Cheers! always has the coolest builds. That Kona last year was kick -arse too

    Have you ridden on a saddle like that yet? the reason I ask is I had something very similiar on my hardtail last year. It just hurt my butt way too much to keep. Ended up going back to a Aliante and Approx. +150grams but it was well worth it for the comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Silly is you opinion. Tires work just fine for their purpose. Did you ever ride cyclocross bike with 35mm small knobbies? With just a bit of practice it can clear pretty much anything. Not everybody needs a 3.0 Nokian Gazzaloddi on a trail.

    You are like most americans who think you need a 4L high clearance SUV anywhere there is no asphalt, when in fact a small compact will clear it just as fast or faster.
    amazing (and somewhat humorous) how you can judge me based on one statement about tires and blindly presume what i drive and what tires i run. my daily driver is a miata and
    i ride 2.1 speed king front 1.8 trailblaster rear > which ive been heckled about, but take it in stride...
    i think that guy's bike is totally awesome, just don't care for those tires

    happy trails
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    3.0 Nokian Gazzaloddi on a trail.
    hahahaha i need to get those.
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    Cheers, your bike is truly a thing of beauty. I am breathtaken.

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    So here is a little update on my bike so far...

    My Manitou fork suffers from the dreaded "click" noise as it hits a bump. It clicks A LOT! because there are lots of bumps on the mountain bike trails.

    2008 Manitou R7 MRD TPC or Absolute?

    Thankfully it hasn't lost any travel yet. Which is a 2nd symptom this fork will have if the O rings rupture.

    I'm most unhappy that this fork came in at 1360g, when the originally claimed weight was 1270g. My is also a later batch made in Taiwan and not Made in USA that Manitou was touting when they released this fork in 2007. I did only pay 299 USD brand new for it rather than 799 USD.

    I may see about upgrading the dampening cartridge to the new Absolute+ dampener that Manitou is releasing for this season... It will fit in all R7 forks.

    http://seaotter.mtbr.com/2009/04/24/...logy-absolute/

    As for my bike. I had to make some changes to it since its first inception. I had to ditch the Easton EC90 Seatpost. The metal insert that is bonded to the top carbon clamp seperated. Once this happend there was no clamping pressure for the bolt to hold the upper and lower clamps to the seatpost head. THe saddle could not be sat on. I repaired this by cleaning off all the old epoxy and using Hysol 934A structural aerospace epoxy. This fixed that problem fine. It held the required 100 in-lbs of torque required by Easton. But the seatpost head has ridges that prevent the saddle from rocking back and forth in angle. This ridges were not deep enough. So what happens is that if you hit a bump the saddle would change angles. POS! I thew the seatpost into the garbage (I bought it NOS off of ebay). Then I picked up a Thomson Masterpiece.



    Then I ditched the saddle. The Cycle King Taiwanese saddle I got (which is really light) is really stiff. The other carbon saddles out there such as the Selle Italia SLR or Tune Concord shell flexes. So it has some give. This Cycle King saddle has none. It hurt to ride it. So i picked up a traditional SLR saddle.

    Then those mimimalistic titanium bottle cages that are made in Taiwan broke. The mounting tabs broke as the bottle cages vibrate violently as you ride the bike on dirt. I put some Tacx Taos on for the time being, and I ordered a pair of Andrews King Titanium Cages.





    So the bike gained a bit of weight...

    Then I scored a brand new set of Chris King ISO Disc Hubs in black for a cheap price from a friend who was not using them. I had them built up with Sapim Laser spokes, Aluminum nipples, and Stan's Notunes ZTR Olympic 333g rims. Now I use this set of of wheels for racing so I wouldn't wear out the set of ultralight Ti spoked wheels (which ride amazing). Especially now that I've adapted the attitude during the races of "F it!", "hammer down" and go right through the course regardless of terrain and obstacles.

    So far I've done 4 races on it and 2 endurance races. This is my 1st year racing in Ontario Cup. It's a lot different than the endurance races / relay races I've done for many years. The racers are all ultra fit and ultra athletes. I'm in the 19 to 29 age class. Sport class which is the lowest unless you go to the try a race day category. I thought I was decently quick, and decently fit. So far I've been placing near the bottom for each race. These guys sprint/hammer on the double track for the single track entrance and carry good speed through the singletrack. There is no passing on the singletrack because of the tight lines. I can keep up with them on the single track but I start losing out on the all out sprints on the double track. The race is 3 laps, 10 kms per lap. After the 1st lap I usually get dropped... and try to maintain a somewhat reasonable time gap between the lead group of riders and myself. The only really bad part is then the Expert women in my age class catch up to me and pass me by the end of the 2nd lap. Those are some fast women on bikes!

    Here are some new pics of the ride:








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    Well, it looks as awesome as the first build...

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    did you weigh the spokes by any chance?

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