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    Barend Shootout Volume 1

    I like a good barend. For me one of the simple pleasures in life is grabbing hold of a good barend on a climb. Yup, I like them and they can be found on all my bikes. So, with this as backdrop I decided to share my impressions of my recent purchases and not-so-recent purchases. I've been using the Smica/PostModernes for years now and love them. They are light and CHEAP. They do the job very well IMO. But, I saw the Soul Kozaks recently and got curious. Then I wondered about the Extralites for my Waltworks rework and ordered those up for comparison. Anyway, I have not been on the new barends yet but will be posting my on the bike impressions later. The Soul Kozaks will make their debut this Sat. in the first race of the season for me. My first impression of the Souls is that they are superior. They are larger in diameter and a bit longer. I like the Soul Kozak evil clown as well- always been a fan of a good evil clown.
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    I'm on the lookout for for some barends. Thanks for starting this thread!

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    I've used Barends since '95, help give additional places for my hands/resting places. I sure like them, some don't. I really like Cannondale "Paquito" barends veru comfy. Got a pair of Easton EC 90's recently, getting used to them but they are comfy, I like the ridges for the fingers. It's an individual thing I guess.
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    The first ride on the Soul-Kozak's was also a race. I really liked them. They feel good in your hand- they are much bigger then the Smicas I'm used to, but not too big. The double pinch bolt clamp seems to have considerable clamping force. I was not at all concerned about these things shifting after I clamped 'em down and I'm glad I had barend plugs in my bars because I could see these ends crushing the bars with tight force if I was not careful. Here I am in the Smicas in the biggest climb we have in the series around here.
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    I like the broad clamp on the Extralights. Didn't know about them before. Thanks!

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    Those Soul's are quite bigger and longer then the Extralites, with only 6 grams extra weight...
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    Update on the Souls: the endcap on the right side fell out and dropped to the floor yesterday when I was moving my bike. This really annoys me for such an expensive boutique component that I have only used once so far. I can easily see losing an endcap on the souls as they are not secured very well at all. Otherwise, they performed very well the first time out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    Update on the Souls: the endcap on the right side fell out and dropped to the floor yesterday when I was moving my bike. This really annoys me for such an expensive boutique component that I have only used once so far. I can easily see losing an endcap on the souls as they are not secured very well at all. Otherwise, they performed very well the first time out.
    silicone the cap on if you find it. a dab probably doesn't even weigh a gram. i didn't know that barends could be that light. what's up with those wooden ones?

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    After you tack in the endcap, flip the bar end over so the "bottom faces up", and poink it with a center-punch on the end near the cap to further secure it. Nobody, including you, will see the dimple down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loggerhead
    silicone the cap on if you find it. a dab probably doesn't even weigh a gram. i didn't know that barends could be that light. what's up with those wooden ones?
    The Woody is awesome! It's on my "to do" list before I die. I haven't decided on the type of wood yet. Stay tuned. Here's the info. on the Woody:

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/articles.php?ID=30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    The first ride on the Soul-Kozak's was also a race. I really liked them. They feel good in your hand- they are much bigger then the Smicas I'm used to, but not too big. The double pinch bolt clamp seems to have considerable clamping force. I was not at all concerned about these things shifting after I clamped 'em down and I'm glad I had barend plugs in my bars because I could see these ends crushing the bars with tight force if I was not careful. Here I am in the Smicas in the biggest climb we have in the series around here.

    Off topic.... is that the Exo-Nerve helmet? How do you like it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Live
    Off topic.... is that the Exo-Nerve helmet? How do you like it?
    I love this helmet. I have no idea what it is. I took a chance and bought it from performance or nashbar about 3 years ago for cheap on clearance. I think it was like 70 bucks. I'll definitely purchase another LG helmet. My favorite helmet ever (a KED) was destroyed in a crash where I did a pile-driver on my head off a tall feature and fractured T3 and T4 vertebrae. Not a good day on the bike, but I was on my fixie so I can forgive myself, but I digress.

    PS, I just looked it up. It's the OZ-ZY road helmet. On sale at Nashbar now for $69 plus an additional 15% off for Memorial Day sale.
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    Update on the ExtraLite CyberEnds: They rock. They fit my hands better then the Souls, I think. The Souls are great, but I think better if you have basketball player hands. I really appreciated the tapered end cap on the ELs. It just works with the way your hands lay on the ends on the barends. The only issue In have with the ELs is the fixing bolt. It's too tall and digs into your fingers as you grasp the damn things. I replaced them with Al pan head bolts for a weight savings over the stock Ti and they feel great
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    Now the Soul Kozak's sell for 37,5€

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    Axass, how are you living with them thumby shifters, seems a lil sketchy for real time shifting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter
    Axass, how are you living with them thumby shifters, seems a lil sketchy for real time shifting?
    SnowBlower,

    I didn't know what to expect when I set these up, but I've been using them for years now and I'll never go back. The shifts are faster going to a harder gear as all that's required is moving your knuckle inboard to shift. Shifting up while on the bar requires bringing the thumb up and pushing forward- no big deal and it's fast. The real deal closer for me with the Thumbies is the weight AND the ability to easily shift up to an easier gear while climbing hard on the barends. All you do is stick your thumb out while on the barend and push forward to get the easier gear you want. No other shift system offers this option to shift on the fly on the barends. Shifting with other systems while climbing on the ends requires you to move your whole hand from the ends to the bar, shift and then go back to the bar. This throws your whole balance and rhythm off while on tough and technical climbs.
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    @ Batas : Where did you find them ?
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    Peace Coffee!! I'm from Minnesota too. I ride for Wannabee Racing. See you at Afton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB-fanatic
    Peace Coffee!! I'm from Minnesota too. I ride for Wannabee Racing. See you at Afton.
    Small world. I did a lap with Eric last weekend at Afton preriding the course. I have my mud tires on. It's going to be greasy
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    Anyone use those Singletrack Solution ends?
    They are uber cheap compared to those, but a little different for positioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    Here I am in the Smicas in the biggest climb we have in the series around here.
    How did you fare in the women's class that day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MessagefromTate
    How did you fare in the women's class that day?
    Yes, I am a woman. Good one Oopps, I forgot.....do not feed the troll.
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    ever thought of these?;
    http://www.sl-b.com/images/big/hk_be_new1.jpg
    team bulls won the tour transalp with them a few weeks ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heinerk.
    ever thought of these?;
    http://www.sl-b.com/images/big/hk_be_new1.jpg
    team bulls won the tour transalp with them a few weeks ago!
    Those look great. A lot like the Smicas but in CF and with nice rounded edges. Do we have a weight on them? My guess is that the EL Cyberends are still lighter. I've been on the Cyberends all season and no issues at all.
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    on the sl-b homepage they´re listet with 34-35g!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heinerk.
    on the sl-b homepage they´re listet with 34-35g!
    That's impressive. I think I'll have to give these a close look.
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    I have a set of those SL-B bar ends. I've been using them for a while now, and they are as good or better than any other that I have tried. They are definitely the lightest bar ends I've used, and suffer no ill effects due to their light weight. Some would say that they might be slippy because of their glossy finish, but using my Fox gloves with the silicone spots, I have no trouble at all.

    I have smacked them pretty hard on a bunch of occasions, and they show a few scrapes and scrathces, but they've never failed and they grip the ends of my Schmolke SL bar just fine with the use of some carbon paste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    Shifting with other systems while climbing on the ends requires ME to move your whole hand from the ends to the bar, shift and then go back to the bar. This throws MY whole balance and rhythm off while on tough and technical climbs.
    I dont share the same experience, so I didnt really feel it was fair for you to imply that everyone would have a similar experience. I can move my hands around freely without veering off my line, and I MUCH prefer the positive action and precision of a trigger shifter. When I used thumbies I occasionally found it difficult to hit the exact gear I want in the middle of the cassette. Sure, going from one extreme to the other is quick as hell, but I dont do that very often so its far from a priority.

    Do you think pro roadies (or amateur roadies for that matter) complain about having to move their hands around for various bar functions? And yes, I do think its fair to compare to roadies when they can be found among a pack of a hundred riders with no room for error.

    I currently run the ultra heavy Can creek ergo bar ends. They would make any weight weenie cringe but I can guarantee they are more comfortable than any of the metal poles you guys are bolting to the bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heinerk.
    ever thought of these?;
    http://www.sl-b.com/images/big/hk_be_new1.jpg
    team bulls won the tour transalp with them a few weeks ago!
    do you know the manufacturer of this sweet barends?
    thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by heinerk.
    ever thought of these?;
    http://www.sl-b.com/images/big/hk_be_new1.jpg
    team bulls won the tour transalp with them a few weeks ago!
    truly a masterpiece!!

    but too expensive

    and why not the Mcfk:



    36-38g, also very expensive 128 € here in Portugal

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariosimas
    truly a masterpiece!!

    but too expensive

    and why not the Mcfk:



    36-38g, also very expensive 128 € here in Portugal
    due to the high torque they might damage your bar and furthermore they're not uci-legal!
    btw: they´re handmade in small batch production!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heinerk.
    ...btw: they´re handmade in small batch production!
    i think the sl-b are also backyard production cause i did not find any other label with this barends and they are very very rare

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    What bolts are used in Extralite CyberEnds ?

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    So...what's the next best thing to these (e.g. similar size and form factor) that's affordable and easily available in the US? I was about to get some $40 Sette carbon bar ends, but now at a mere 80 grams they're looking pretty heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayjay69
    What bolts are used in Extralite CyberEnds ?
    They are M3 or M4 Ti if I remember correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    So...what's the next best thing to these (e.g. similar size and form factor) that's affordable and easily available in the US? I was about to get some $40 Sette carbon bar ends, but now at a mere 80 grams they're looking pretty heavy.
    These look like a Smica rebrand:
    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=34743
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II
    They are M3 or M4 Ti if I remember correctly.
    I got info from Extralite that they are M5x12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayjay69
    I got info from Extralite that they are M5x12.
    Yep, its M5x12.


    Here are mine in Ano green.

    Have been using these almost a year now.
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    this will be my next bar ends


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    S(port) L(isboa) B(enfica)? lol

    I like the bigger diameter bar-ends, like extralite or soul kozak.

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    good joke Batas thats why I asked to remove the logo because I´m a Sporting Fan

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    I've had the Extralites for a while now, and I like them generally. The only issue is what happens to them if you crash or bash them on something - they are so thin that they will crumple like a beer can. I've replaced one so far, then had a crash not long after and munched the other one, the plastic end plug ejecting into the ether. They're not cheap to replace, so I'm having second thoughts about picking up another replacement.

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    I just wonder wich kind of end plugs you put on your bikes while using these barends. I have tried kcnc, they are small and I have big hands and feeling the end plugs is not comfortable. what do you use?

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    here they are:



    amazing weight, with great feeling. For my hands they could be a little smaller

    They have 105 mm.

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    Very, very nice. Just be sure to apply the correct torque.

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    They recommend only 2 NM

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    wow... Way too low. You should apply that special assembly grease. With that it should be fine.

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    I have a set of KCNC's that weigh in at 48 grams. Not the lightest compared to some of the ones you guys are running mind you. My issue is that the Ritchey Super Logic bars I have are ever so slightly smaller and the clamp on the barend ends up bottoming out. Basically, I can't seem to get them tight enough. As a result they have been sitting in a box collecting dust. Instead I have been riding my tried and true Cane Creeks which weigh a ton but are uber comfy. I think they weigh in at about 125g+ for the set. I may end up trying my soda can shim on the KCNC's and see if that helps any with the clamping. Even with the shim I would be shedding about 70+ grams!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axis II View Post
    SnowBlower,

    I didn't know what to expect when I set these up, but I've been using them for years now and I'll never go back. The shifts are faster going to a harder gear as all that's required is moving your knuckle inboard to shift. Shifting up while on the bar requires bringing the thumb up and pushing forward- no big deal and it's fast. The real deal closer for me with the Thumbies is the weight AND the ability to easily shift up to an easier gear while climbing hard on the barends. All you do is stick your thumb out while on the barend and push forward to get the easier gear you want. No other shift system offers this option to shift on the fly on the barends. Shifting with other systems while climbing on the ends requires you to move your whole hand from the ends to the bar, shift and then go back to the bar. This throws your whole balance and rhythm off while on tough and technical climbs.
    I know this is late/old but I am just looking for clarity on this one. You are saying that you have them mounted to the bar end correct? Would love to see a picture of this. Even though I ride an SS the whole idea sounds pretty cool. Sortta like an STI or Ergo lever on a road bike. Makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batas View Post
    wow... Way too low. You should apply that special assembly grease. With that it should be fine.
    already done that

    tested last sunday on the hills of Serra de Sintra with zero problems and with a amazing grip

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