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    Upper Kittitas Co 2014- Rat Pack, Ros Ridge, Teanaway, etc

    OK, so just a quick update to kick off our season...

    Rode my 'big' ridge loop on Monday from Ewok to the top of the ridge and back down through the race course, and discovered only 1 blow-down and maybe 3 very short sections of snow. I'd be surprised if that snow is still there now. THANK YOU to everyone who has been working on it, looking super!

    Mr warmonkey will hopefully be breaking ground soon on a total re-route of the old Roslyn race course climb, a badly needed improvement not just in terms of grade but also maintenance... the mud and water ruts in there just sucked up a lot of time and effort and really didn't deliver much beyond potential cadiac arrest. Plans for the new trail include- *gasp*- multiple rolling switchbacks! Hopefully we'll find plenty of jr monkeys ready to step up if/when he makes the call for help.

    Reports from Rat Pac indicate upper RP needs some saw-loving pretty badly, but on the main route the dirt should be drying out and ready to roll.

    Teanaway is looking clear from the top, although I haven't been out on the ground myself yet (maybe this coming weekend?). River ridge trail has been logged out and pretty well munged up, will be interesting to see what Borneo has up his sleeve for this year's May in the 'way routing.
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    Outside upper county proper but still worth mentioning: Joe Watt is opening this week on May 1st, stay tuned for report from Borneo et al (and hopefully me too if I can escape domestic duties long enough).

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    Got some ideas for the RRT and will be heading over there Thursday after work for a pre-ride before Terzo de Watto. Then back on Sunday. Nothing a chain saw and a Rogue hoe can't fix...

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    Just keep in mind that the section of RRT that was logged out is private property and not part of the Teanaway Community Forest...

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    Thanks. I'll have to look at the map closer.... still thinking of re-routing the in/out of the steeper gully section like we talked about. Who's is it? Still AFR?

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    If you look at the map on the DNR site you can see where privately held land breaks up the TCF along the river. A couple pieces belong to a guy from Port Townsend. I won't be around Sunday or I'd meet you over there. But take a look, take some pics, let me know what you're thinking. I'd be happy to help getting that rerouted, it's always been my favorite long loop from here.

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    Okay. I know about the chunk with the cool cabin I wanted the BBTC to "buy" when it was for sale back in the day. But, that's East of the run down to the river crossing and the old sheep herder's cabin. Then, the checkerboard down on the west end at the blue bus on Dingbat creek. Will get pics. Hope it's not too bad. Opened a bunch last summer and will simply use the skidder where they went straight down the trail...

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    Any updates on Rat Pac or Leavenworth / Wenatchee area riding? The weather looks to be nice up in them parts

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    Quote Originally Posted by dromond View Post
    Any updates on Rat Pac or Leavenworth / Wenatchee area riding? The weather looks to be nice up in them parts
    Second hand report: RP good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verslowrdr View Post
    Second hand report: RP good.
    Good enough for me. Thank you!

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    Firsthand report, RP awesome (watch out for the tire grabber gaps in the goofy log bridges), Roslyn Ridge awesome as well. Very basic maintenance done everywhere but keep your eyes open for spots with lots of pine needles and/or ball-bearing pinecones. Also keep an eye out for trail crews, repairs and new trail building start next week

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    Watt was riding pretty well last night, better than I recall from previous opening days. The vegetation hasn't grown as much as I expected--my shins were happy about that! Lower Rattlesnake Canyon needs some TLC--too much sheetflow and gully erosion over the winter. There are a couple of blowdowns one is really big at the start of Winegars North--I was able to move a few others. I'd like to resurrect Winegars South this spring--I don't think it'll be too tough.

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    Oh yeah, the upper part of RP is still a mess. Probably haul the bigger Stihl up next week.

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    Noticed that blowdown at the bottom on Saturday too. Ridge trail is rolling great. Didn't go down into Rattlesnake this year but looped up the road from the line cabin and cut across and back down into Rattlesnake from the top.

    Warmonkey, RRT is ridable.... Follow the ribbons.

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    How accessible is that big blow down, as far as getting to it with a saw? I may head up there in a little bit to ride and scout.
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    It's right at the base of Winegars. It's going to take a power saw (or all your patience). i'm booked tonight, but if you want to go tomorrow let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euro-trash View Post
    It's right at the base of Winegars. It's going to take a power saw (or all your patience). i'm booked tonight, but if you want to go tomorrow let me know.
    May as well get the little one right before it for the strava kids. Would like to see more riding the ridge trail up to the right as you ride up "Loch Lorean" as Meg calls it. (North Wineger) When you get to the top and veer right to the hunting camp, go right on the old skidder (2nd one) and you will see the trail climbing to the ridge top. Drops out at the top of the climb if you went right (west) where the tree is blocking and makes a nice loop.

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    Yeah, I will definitely be riding the ridge trail whenever I am up there.
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    Hey guys, I live in Roslyn and am brand new to mtb. I've ridden twice. Expert dirt biker though.

    I would like to offer my help on trail maintenance.

    Also would like to meet and ride with other locals.

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    May as well get the little one right before it for the strava kids. Would like to see more riding the ridge trail up to the right as you ride up "Loch Lorean" as Meg calls it. (North Wineger) When you get to the top and veer right to the hunting camp, go right on the old skidder (2nd one) and you will see the trail climbing to the ridge top. Drops out at the top of the climb if you went right (west) where the tree is blocking and makes a nice loop.
    Any good maps for Joe Watt yet?

    Whenever Iíve been out there and tried to follow a route described by others I seem to get redirected by the many tracks and traces. Itís a great place to be in adventure mode with no agenda, but I feel like I might be missing out on some of the best stuff.

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    GPSSER, can you post the kml from our ride the other day for him? That's a good start. I'll dig up a few more files for you.

    The Horse Event is May 17-18, so avoid Watt that weekend (they were kind and avoided Watt for the bike race last year). if you were targeting that weekend, join the May in the Way ride instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by All_talk View Post
    Any good maps for Joe Watt yet?

    Whenever Iíve been out there and tried to follow a route described by others I seem to get redirected by the many tracks and traces. Itís a great place to be in adventure mode with no agenda, but I feel like I might be missing out on some of the best stuff.

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_talk View Post
    Any good maps for Joe Watt yet?

    Whenever Iíve been out there and tried to follow a route described by others I seem to get redirected by the many tracks and traces. Itís a great place to be in adventure mode with no agenda, but I feel like I might be missing out on some of the best stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_talk View Post
    Any good maps for Joe Watt yet?

    Whenever Iíve been out there and tried to follow a route described by others I seem to get redirected by the many tracks and traces. Itís a great place to be in adventure mode with no agenda, but I feel like I might be missing out on some of the best stuff.

    Gary
    Gary, there are some great tracks mainly thanks to Meg on the Evergreen wiki. Heck, even Chris, the F&G guy we ran into out there last Saturday was using the Evergreen wiki web page map to find his way around there.

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    After all the rain we had last week, how would Rat Pac be tomorrow? Thinking of headed out there just wanna avoid the muck if I can. Thanks fellas appreciate you guys starting this thread.

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    Rat Pac I'd think should be fine. I was stuck in the Cle Elum office today and I don't think it rained all day, but the nuclear wind should have dried what little moisture was left right out.

    Not a guy, but you're welcome. :P
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    Any opinions on this...I'll be in Cle Elum over the July 4th weekend and riding solo.

    Middle Fork Teanaway Trail - Koppen Mtn Trail

    I've been trying to figure out loop options on the Green Trails map and was originally planning to start a loop at Indian Campground but the link above suggests starting at Jungle Creek on FR 9701. And from what I've been able to gather via the net, the Kopppen Mtn trail can be hard to follow due to lack of use. Thoughts? Snow? Blow downs this time of year?

    I'm also hoping to ride Miller Peak loop.

    Is the preferred route... "The usual 17.5mi, 6100' ascent CCW loop" described in the link above. This uses FR9714 and FR113. Or do you prefer to do the loop with the 1.5 mile hike-a-bike up TR1364 described Here.

    I will also try to fit in a Rat Pac day.
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    By the 4th the MF will still be raging and it already has like 16 river crossings. made the mistake to go early one year and glad we had a rope to belay across with. Esmeralda should be perfect then. That's about usually when I go. Johnson had a bad washout a couple years ago you could get by on a bike but it was pretty sketchy. Up Way Creek is a push. All the way. So, you'd be finishing with a hike. Best place to find out about blow downs and the logging out process is Mikki's Cle Elum Off Road FB page. The throttle twisters are always chasing the snow line and doing a great job. Should be done by July but close.
    Aaaaah. Miller. The always debated question. I've done it about every way you can and am sold on Art's OAB version either from the Iron Creek or Iron Bear side. Up to the 4 way at the ridge top and out and back from there. West Fork is amazing and not to be missed. Lots of options to do that too. OAB or a loop from Jolly or a point to point from Jolly to Cle Elum...

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    Only got a minute, so quickly:
    - Mid fork has a brazillion creek crossings. See Borneo's note on that.
    - Miller might be pretty hot and dry by then, it's usually better in June (although this year may be ready sooner)
    - Esmerelda is a VERY worthy alternative.
    - West Fork would be another route worth checking, but make sure it's cleared by then... last year it wasn't. LOTS of blow downs tend to accumulate up there.
    - Ping me when we get closer to that date and I'll have more intel on the local score
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    Thanks for the heads up on all the water crossing on the Middle Fork Trail. I'll give Esmeralda a try this year and will probably stick to Miller Peak too. It sounds right up my ally based on everything I've read on the net.
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    Do Koppen as a hike first. As memory serves me it would be crazy steep for a bike ride. Short, steep and sweet. It was an old sheep driveway back in the day. Looks like you've gotten lots of great trip ideas from the usual suspects! Enjoy, -tabby

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    Couple other options are the out and backs on Stafford and Standup creeks. Look for a post from Slop here about a trip with EnduroDoug last year I think. The mix and match in the Teanaway is pretty crazy on just how much you want to ride too. Had some folks get a shuttle to the bottom of DeRoux where they went up and over into the Middle Fork and rode it all the way down to the West Fork CG. Awesome point to point there.

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    5/18 weekend update:
    - Teanaway looking excellent, although parts of our beloved RRT are still 'interesting'.
    - Some excellent squirrel has apparently cleared out quite a bit of upper RP. Maybe only one large tree left that you can go around? In any case, def. open for bizzniz.
    - Taneum is melting out early. Moto crews working to get the Taneum ridge & Fishhook trails cleared for Memorial day, when I'm sure it will be packed w/ brappers going around in circles.... you've been warned.
    We owe a LOT to Mikki's volunteer gas-powered chainsaw brigade. The guys that cleared out upper Taneum ridge counted 65 trees sawed out on Saturday alone. !!!
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    5/19/14 Taneum first RR!
    Did a lap through Fishhook Flats before the motos chowed it up over Memorial Day weekend. Locals, if you can sneak one in over the next couple days, I HIGHLY recommend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verslowrdr View Post
    5/19/14 Taneum first RR!
    Did a lap through Fishhook Flats before the motos chowed it up over Memorial Day weekend. Locals, if you can sneak one in over the next couple days, I HIGHLY recommend it.
    Love that loop, howís the muck on the lower South Fork (assuming you went that way)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_talk View Post
    Love that loop, howís the muck on the lower South Fork (assuming you went that way)?
    I went "the low road" + the main gravel road up. A little muck here and there down by the river, but not at all as bad as I've seen it in previous seasons. Looking like a dry year....
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    As noted above, a good way to know what is up is to get on the Kittitas ORV page on FB. The throttle twisters are all over logging stuff out right now and Mikki has released a map of what is going to be open this weekend. Verslo and I did a bunch of log outs in the 'way and I spent 3 other full days out there as well and there are still a few I left. But, it seems like way more downed trees this year all over.

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    Heading over for a ride in this area tomorrow(Friday 5/30). It will be my 1st time riding the area, here's the route I plan on doing...

    Starting/Ending in Cle Elum:
    Coal Mines Trail
    Ewok
    Roslyn Ridge
    RatPac

    Is this a good route or does anyone suggest something different or better?

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    That's the one I'll be doing next Saturday. You can make it "better" by dropping off the back and adding variable loops in the Teanaway. Lots of options in to and out of there.

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    OK, thanks Borneo for the quick response, dropping into Teanaway will depend on my time and energy...

    What's your guestimate on ride time for entire loop? I know, lots of variables, just trying to get a general idea.

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    My fiancť and I will be camping and riding the Teanaway this weekend. We will camp at West Fork like the last ride.

    Newbies, and only vaguely know the trails.

    But company is always great!

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    Berg, wish I could join you. Hope you don't get too lost. If so, you can always call and describe the area around you and I'll get you back on track. I still have 3 boxes of Rice crackers to eat for you.

    Carmichael, we lollygag and it is maybe 4.5 hours tops to do that loop and meander through Roslyn forest. Less the drop over the back. There is a really fun side trail to break up the Coal Mines worth noting. Take the first trail up to the right after the first road crossing (Alliance Road) and climb to a small ridge top with a fun descent back to the CM trail outside Roslyn.

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    Great! Thanks again for the info...I'll add the side trail off Coal Mines to the loop and probably not add any Teanaway trails this time. (Trying to keep it in the 3-4 hour range. Driving from Snoqualmie to Yakima in the morning for work delivery and hitting this on my way back...)

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    Sure.
    If you go to Google earth, you can see the trail peeling up and to the right just after the road. Then go through town and climb up East Idaho to C st and go left. Take the old jeep road around the gate. It's quicker than going all the way through town over to Ewok or the 6th entrance or 2nd and Alaska. If you skip upper Rat Pac you can cut another 20 or so minutes off it. It's not what it used to be but is still fun.

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    6/1/14 update
    Yesterday went solo from CE through Roslyn up over the ridge to the Teanaway, looped up lunch rocks & RRT, then pulled back over the ridge to hit Rat Pac with Berg501FE & better half. That's about 25 miles, maybe somewhere between 3k & 4k for vert. Teanaway sand is getting pretty blown out, especially on Borneo's 'The Big Sandy' climb back out. Rat Pack is rolling excellent. Overall everything is good, but things are drying out very early.

    Oh, and found these tracks under lunch rocks. Anyone lose a small pet kitty up there a couple weeks ago? :P
    Upper Kittitas Co 2014- Rat Pack, Ros Ridge, Teanaway, etc-kitteh.jpg

    I then got to play Beer Fairy for warmonkey & sidekick as they start figuring out the new climbing trail out of Roslyn. I won't steal his thunder, but... wow... more beer will certainly be delivered!
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    OK, better late than never...

    • Did Taneum SF->NF on Tuesday. All clear and not blown out yet, rolling REALLY nice. Hopefully the rain we've had rolling through since might have kept down the dust a bit. Peaches and upper NF to Windy Pass are not clear yet and I could still see snow hanging in on the upper peaks, so the high stuff isn't quite ready yet.
    • I was hoping to lob off the Iron Bear OAB route on Miller this coming week, but motos are reporting there's still a large snow drift melting off along the way after the false summit. Since that one's hard enough already I think I'll wait...
    • Today I'm stuck in the office while warmonkey helps wrangle an all day trail building workshop for Evergreen in Roslyn. Super bummed I can't make it but VERY STOKED at what's going on up here. Buy that guy a beer when you get a chance, he's put in more behind-the-scenes effort than most will ever realize!
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    Thanks! Will be there today in spirit. Lots of good stuff going on and getting the TCF connected to the Roslyn one will be huge for the area. I may be down for an Iron Bear OAB to as far as we cam go next weekend if that works... Want to do a 4th of July/Drunk Bear/New climb descent too just to see if it is as good as it looked last weekend and on paper.

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