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    Tiger Ride RR Sat 4/19/14

    We made it through Preston when the rains started with a vengeance. Completely soaked by the parking lot. I don't advise going Sunday at all...even if it's dry out.

    The trails in the best shape after all the previous rain were in order:
    1. Summit - minty
    2. Preston through the 2nd Switchback - Hero
    3. Fully Rigid - Not a puddle and little mud - Nice job!
    4. Preston switchbacks 5 to end - No creeks but gooey in spots
    5. Joyride - Definitely muckier in open areas and the rain wasn't helping and mainly at the top - treed spots were sweet
    6. NWT - worst I've seen in many years but again hard rain
    7. Preston 2nd to 5th switch - In 15 years I've never seen water flowing down an entire section and then take the switch back for another 100' of the next section. This was serious flow and the rain had not started yet. I needed a diaper.


    This begs the question; why keep preston in tact as is when those two sections are always nasty. Any thought to a Fully Rigid Style connector between switchback 3 and 5. Couldn't be more than a couple hundred feet and would break up the relentless speed of Preston. The other sections could stay open for the summer season but little work would have to be put into them. Just thinkin...

    Kudos again on the new trail construction. The attention to detail and craftsmanship has obviously paid off with its performance in nasty conditions.

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    Also, there were a couple of 4x4 posts at what looked like a trail exit on the way up to Fully Rigid. Was that Off the Grid?

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    The state is going in Preston Monday to finish off rebuilding SB 2-3. Then they go to work on OTG to try and get that 3 miles of trail open mid summer(Stay out of there way on this one and wait until they give the green light)! The 4x4 post is for a sign to inform people that this is just a maintenance access point, not a dang trail.

    A ton of volunteers did 800 hours of work on 2000' of Preston from SB5 to the steeper chute off the RR grade. Sorry the trail is narrower with some new turns in there, more rocks and pinches to make you ride the roots.

    Thanks to everyone who came out this winter on Preston. It's working well.

    Then there will be a Preston bailout (radness) trail built from SB3, it's more then a few hundred feet. (Stay out of the way until the green light is givin on that one too) After PBR is built they will close Preston down this fall below SB3 and rebuild the trail from SB3-5 to match the rest of the well draining work that has been done on Preston After Preston is fully rebuilt they will do a trial period of staying open longer/opening sooner as trail conditions/ weather allows. Who knows maybe they will let the snowline close the trails down at some point.

    Also a climbing trail is going to be started this year by the State. From a little bit in NWT and then up the mtn to high up on the Crossover road.

    On top of all that the State will be doing a cooperative agreement with Evergreen to build a full on decent trail on Tiger, 2 miles long down 1400'. Should start early summer and be ready for next year!

    PS that still is not everything for new trails on Tiger. The Place will be tipping 20+ miles three or four years from now. Can you say epic all mountain rides.
    Epic trails get built in the Northwest by epic people!

    Sustainable quality trails please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbty View Post
    PS that still is not everything for new trails on Tiger. The Place will be tipping 20+ miles three or four years from now. Can you say epic all mountain rides.
    Hell yeah! Thanks for the update & great news

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    Watch for work parties being posted and come out and help us get them done. A great chance to get an early look of some of sweet features these new trails will offer.

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    Yah Mon! thanks for the data. going to be sweet!

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    That's going to be awesome !!!

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    Conditions at Tiger today were surprisingly good. The Preston river was flowing, but summit and all the new trails were in great shape. It just shows how taking time to build a trail for the conditions is worth the extra effort. We even stopped on the fast flowy section of NWT just past the root drop and cut out the deadfall that was hanging out into the trail. I shoulder checked it last week, so i got revenge with my folding saw!
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    so with all the work that will be going on by the state this year we will still be able to ride the trails all the way up and down? sorry im a little confused as to, do i need to stay off the trails or, will they be closing some through out the summer?

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    It seems pretty clear to me. If I am reading mtbty's psoting correctly, after the Preston Bailout is built off of switchback #3 (SB3) down to the connector road, presumably by the bridge where I saw some evidence of work, they will close the lower part of Preston RR from SB3 down to the connector road. It sounds like that is all of the closures planned for trails that currently exist. Off The Grid (OTG) is not done yet but sounds promising to be done this summer (yay!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    It seems pretty clear to me. If I am reading mtbty's psoting correctly, after the Preston Bailout is built off of switchback #3 (SB3) down to the connector road, presumably by the bridge where I saw some evidence of work, they will close the lower part of Preston RR from SB3 down to the connector road. It sounds like that is all of the closures planned for trails that currently exist. Off The Grid (OTG) is not done yet but sounds promising to be done this summer (yay!).
    That is correct

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    Plan for this summer:

    Tiger Ride RR Sat 4/19/14-tigerplansummer2014.jpg

    Beginnings of a stacked loop system:

    Tiger Ride RR Sat 4/19/14-stackedloop.jpg

    With, as mentioned above, many more options to come!
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    And my favorite option...

    Tiger Ride RR Sat 4/19/14-fig8lollipop.jpg

    Out on NWT -> up road south of Joyride -> out on SS -> up crossover road -> down FR -> down JR -> back on NWT. Throw in Iverson for a little more.

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    That last one looks like a XC great loop, especially with Iverson. So I take it there's a dive in point off the Road Joy Ride crosses that connects at the "Y" in Joy Ride after the bridge.

    I really like the Crossover climb to Fully Rigid..nice mellow grade after the leg crusher on Summit. What's the rest of the climb like to the junction of Summit road? Could totally see adding an OTG lap after PBR and roll right into FR-JR-NWT.

    You guys are so smart...it's almost like you planned it that way.

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    The rest of the crossover climb gets pretty steep.
    Out of the new trails, I LOVE Silent Swamp heading toward the bottom of Preston.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navigator View Post
    So I take it there's a dive in point off the Road Joy Ride crosses that connects at the "Y" in Joy Ride after the bridge.


    Yes sir, there is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    It seems pretty clear to me. If I am reading mtbty's psoting correctly, after the Preston Bailout is built off of switchback #3 (SB3) down to the connector road, presumably by the bridge where I saw some evidence of work, they will close the lower part of Preston RR from SB3 down to the connector road. It sounds like that is all of the closures planned for trails that currently exist. Off The Grid (OTG) is not done yet but sounds promising to be done this summer (yay!).
    Just to be clear, it's to close the trail down while they work on it for a bit, then they will reopen after the work is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navigator View Post
    That last one looks like a XC great loop, especially with Iverson. So I take it there's a dive in point off the Road Joy Ride crosses that connects at the "Y" in Joy Ride after the bridge.

    I really like the Crossover climb to Fully Rigid..nice mellow grade after the leg crusher on Summit. What's the rest of the climb like to the junction of Summit road? Could totally see adding an OTG lap after PBR and roll right into FR-JR-NWT.

    You guys are so smart...it's almost like you planned it that way.

    Adding Iverson in to that loop is around a 16 mile ride and 2100' +/-
    My favorite short XC in the area now.

    You can Thank Sam from DNR for the well planned out trail system. With out him, this would not have got started. Maybe write so letters to DNR letting them know how much you enjoy whats going on?
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    I just wish Iverson was a singletrack loop. Any plans in the works to eliminate the logging road ride to the Iverson TH?
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    Tiger Ride RR Sat 4/19/14

    Lovin it!

    Where is PBR going to be on the map? Is that in the plan for 2014 or next year?

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    You can see the general area of PBR on the 1st map Mike posted. Its a short steep switchback section that leads to the crossover road.
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    Tiger Ride RR Sat 4/19/14

    Is that the one labeled "#2: Build bail out trail at SB3?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nsteele View Post
    Is that the one labeled "#2: Build bail out trail at SB3?"


    Yes, that area. PBR will be this year.
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    Tiger Ride RR Sat 4/19/14

    Cool. Thanks.

    These different loops are going to be awesome!

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    great updates thanks. any word on a Grand Ridge/Tiger connector?

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    Is the road south of Joyride easy to find? It exits NWT to the left before getting to Joyride, correct? Thanks!

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    And my favorite option...

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    Out on NWT -> up road south of Joyride -> out on SS -> up crossover road -> down FR -> down JR -> back on NWT. Throw in Iverson for a little more.
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee View Post
    Is the road south of Joyride easy to find? It exits NWT to the left before getting to Joyride, correct? Thanks!
    If you are going out NWT from the parking lot, the road is at the end of NWT a ways past where Joyride intersects with NWT. The road goes up and to the left whereas the road to the bottom of Preston RR is straight ahead. Joyride crosses the road just above NWT and then you can access Joyride further up the road.

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    There is one if you know how to get there.....

    Really though, it's pretty obvious and legal as far as I know. We used to go that way all the time to get to the PRT when I worked at Ride up in Preston. The Power Line trail from the High Point lot should still be rideable east bound which connects to the Preston Exit.

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    Thank you. :-)
    Taking it easy for all you sinners.

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    I'm looking forward to a NW Timber -> Joyride/Silent Swamp -> Preston climb -> fire road -> Tiger Summit -> OTG -> Fully Rigid -> Joy Ride -> NW Timber lollipop.

    Moar singletrack!

    Hoping the rest of the week is a little drier...
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    It is going to be cold this weekend. Tiger might get a dusting of snow at the summit!
    Late next week is looking good though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbty View Post
    Maybe write so letters to DNR letting them know how much you enjoy whats going on?
    Just did this.
    For anyone who wants to say THANKS drop a line to brock.milliern@dnr.wa.gov

    It's the least we can do peoples! Send a note!

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    I figured I'd better get after it today if I was going to do it in the near future.

    So I did.

    I had a lot of fun! And I really like the new trails. I could see doing the loop and substituting Silent Swamp and Joy Ride for the logging road portion. I'd miss Fully Rigid, but all life is compromise. Definitely looking forward to the trails still in the pipe.
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    Hey Mike. How come none of these options show riding up Preston? I think riding up Preston is a much better option. it's wide enough for two way traffic but are 'we' discouraging that direction? It just seems to me we should have some loops with ZERO double track and I don't see any feasible way to do this. I can put together a lollypop but not a loop in single track. Could be missing it...

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    Climbing Preston is pretty common and lots of people do it. He is just showing some general loop ideas.

    There is a climbing trail in the works that would make for a near continuous single track loop, so there will be lots of options. That's why it's important for people to help out an join work parties. The more that show up, the sooner we get to ride new stuff!
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    Thanks Mr. Lynch... correct. As the network expands even further, there will be way too many options to put on a stacked loop diagram

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    I think its great. I've been avoiding Tiger for years because, for whatever reason, the mantra was "fix Preston and then you we can talk about new trails". So I stopped going to work parties on Tiger for that reason. It seemed crazy to me that clear cutting was allowed but no new trails were allowed. anyway, I digress. I would like to be more involved because I think it can be one of those places you can send out-of-towners and you know they will get the 'soggy' NW riding experience.

    I rode SS for the first time on Saturday and it was clearly the wrong direction. I did a work party on it last year but it never really dawned on me that it as built to one direction. It's totally ridable from Preston to NWT if it were ready. If I have a point I think that it is I would like to see more climbing friendly trails. Preston is one of the best on this side of the mountains. Going down Preston is another debate altogether.

    Also, what about taking that trail on the back side (forgot the name) that comes out above Iverson? Seems to me the only users are of the poacher type. I've heard it wouldn't take much to whip into a long term investment.

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    It definitely is more fun going south-to-north on Silent Swamp, but there's no wrong direction. If we fix up the one switchback, it'll be easily ridden both ways.

    The problem we faced building that trail is the long ~3% grade road to trail conversion. We really tried to bump it off the road bed and make it more up and down -- so a similar experience going both ways. But that was just not feasible (not financially viable) due to the conditions. So with a long 3-4% grade stuck in a road prism, whadayagonnado? That can make a really fun flowy downhill, but it's hard to make anything but a boring climb. So the decision was made to at least make it fun going down. Besides, I think most riders will climb the crossover road and hit Fully Rigid to JoyRide instead.

    As the system takes shape with OTG and the new downhill only trail, the whole system will open up with options. The new climbing trail will be the preferred quick ST route to the top, but me thinks that climbers wanting a longer tougher way to the top will take NWT -> SS -> Preston... and less and less riders will go down Preston. That makes SS a fun bit in the middle of the climb to the top. Just thoughts. Just have to wait and see.

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    I rode Silent Swamp both ways. And liked it both ways, actually.
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    Echo Mike on the SS constraints except I'd leave the one switchback alone. It's climbable, technical and not a give-me for sure. As a result it'll make riders better. Even the descent on that corner throws a little tech at you and rewards better bike handling skills. We struggled with a lot of things putting these trails in, knowing that a majority of riders may be challenged with some features. In the end providing some bits of challenge for the average rider to progress mastering a feature and giving some alternate options for the better riders is where we ended up.

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    Understood. And I am no way complaining. In fact, I don't think my opinion counts here at all since I haven't been involved but it sometimes doesn't stop me from giving my opinion anyway.

    It's amazing to me how much better Tiger has become in just a couple of years. I am excited to see what happens in the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwestra2 View Post
    As the system takes shape with OTG and the new downhill only trail, the whole system will open up with options.
    ...like when the chairlift gets installed!

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    You have one built into your bike. They are called crank arms!
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    Switch Up

    My cranks are underpowered and often run out of gas. Although I have found they work better if I wear spandex!

    thread Highjack alert...this one was getting tired anyway...

    Speaking of personal chairlifts...saw this recently...ready for presale and they said it's designed for MTB. $700, no gas, and self charging.

    https://www.superpedestrian.com/

    Would this defile the purity of the sport or make it more accessible to the masses (that can afford a $700 wheel)???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    There is one if you know how to get there.....

    Really though, it's pretty obvious and legal as far as I know. We used to go that way all the time to get to the PRT when I worked at Ride up in Preston. The Power Line trail from the High Point lot should still be rideable east bound which connects to the Preston Exit.
    You can also go left from the bottom of preston rather than going right around the switchback. Takes a bit more bushwacking.

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    This is my new favorite local short loop, it's got a bit of everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwestra2 View Post
    It definitely is more fun going south-to-north on Silent Swamp, but there's no wrong direction. If we fix up the one switchback, it'll be easily ridden both ways.
    We don't need to fix anything, People don't need to be able clean every foot of a trail most of the time. It's okay if people have to walk a few spots on a trail.

    It's a good feeling when you do clean a hard part of the trail that you have been having issues with.
    Epic trails get built in the Northwest by epic people!

    Sustainable quality trails please.

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    I hear that Tyler! We rode up Joyride for the first time last night and I had to walk a few sections, but it just means I'll have to try harder to clear them next time!

    I love the mix of fast flowy spots, and techy, rocky, tight area. It keeps you on your toes and is just plain fun to ride. I do prefer SS heading North, but it still pedals nice going south too. 4 of us hit the veggie gap on SS last night, but the 5th guy didnt have speed and tried to roll it. The big log in it taught him a lesson! No injuries, just lots of laughs.

    We started at 7pm and while riding NWT to Joyride I bet we passed 25 people. Nice to see people out enjoying all the hardwork that was put in!
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    The wiki says you need a discovery pass for the upper lot but do you need one for the lot immediately off highway 18? I just always hung my pass up last year but haven't gotten a new one yet this year and wanted to go today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockdude14 View Post
    The wiki says you need a discovery pass for the upper lot but do you need one for the lot immediately off highway 18? I just always hung my pass up last year but haven't gotten a new one yet this year and wanted to go today.
    Nope. The lot right off of highway 18 is DOT property and does not require a Discover Pass.

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