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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Parking lot full, nobody up on top. Had E. Summit trail all to myself- everybody was down low I guess. Dirt was damn near perfect. So fun and so fast- that trail just RIPS! Snow still across the road up near the top- just added to the experience. What a beaut of a day. Rainier in all her glory from the top.

    Preston was in good shape too. Wet & blazing fast, but not really that muddy. Lots of nice trail work on the bottom section too.

    Overall, super fun day! With the weather forecast, I'd highly recommend calling in sick tomorrow afternoon.

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    Perspective is such a strange thing. I rode all three trails today as well but was thinking to myself the whole time, I really shouldn't be on these trails, this is trashing the work of others. It was a great day to get out and ride but the trail tread is very soft in a lot of areas.

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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Summit trail was firm for me- seriously. Only a few short spots were a little squishy, but not enough to cause damage. I don't weigh much . I'll bet it's totally good tomorrow.

    Preston was wet like it always is. NTT was more muddy in spots.

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    Graham from Evergreen and a WCC crew went in today to clean all the mucky goo off the trail left over from its first winter. We rode it Sunday, I was really gooey so we wanted to go clean it up with the nice weather coming.

    It was pretty damaged from people riding it with all the snow and rain the last few weeks. It had a 2"-6" lay of muck all over it.

    You can thank Sam from the DNR for lending Graham the crew.
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    Amazing they could clean off the entire summit trail in one day. I rode summit Monday evening, and there was a fair bit of squish the majority of the trail. I'd decided to stay off for a while to let it dry out some more. Thanks to the trail crew for fixing it as those trails are some of the best around.

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    Good deal, it's good to go for Thursday then? I had planned on hitting Tiger after at least two warm dry days had firmed things up before riding on the new trail specifically, since it is the highest and newest one and likeliest to remain colder and wetter. If mtbty thinks it's good to go, I'll take his word on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    Good deal, it's good to go for Thursday then? I had planned on hitting Tiger after at least two warm dry days had firmed things up before riding on the new trail specifically, since it is the highest and newest one and likeliest to remain colder and wetter. If mtbty thinks it's good to go, I'll take his word on it.
    the new trail is open now?

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    I did a sunset/ full moon ride on the summit trail tonight with a big group of rock star trail builders tonight. Lapped the summit trail 3 times. It is really good right now, other then a little squish in spots, but with the weather forecast it might turn in to goop again. Lots of clay on that trail. If it's ridden in mod/heavy presip it could/ likely will goop up again fast.

    Riding it in light rain should be fine, but maybe holding off riding during mod/ heavy presip so the trail doesn't get sloppy. Tire pressure brings moisture to the surface, which doesn't work well with a high clay content.

    friday will be epic up there, and this weekend could be hit or miss tell sunday evening. just plan avoiding it Sunday evening thru mid of next week would be good for the trail.
    Give it a few days to dry up after the 1.5-2" of rain that's forecasted to come do early next week will help a lot.

    Just remember it rains 2 to 3 times harder at the summit then in town.

    Preston's Preston, so enjoy that river trail if you would like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbty View Post
    I did a sunset/ full moon ride on the summit trail tonight with a big group of rock star trail builders tonight. Lapped the summit trail 3 times. .

    Sounds awesome! So, how many trucks did it take to transpo you guys and bikes back up to the top all those times?

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    Did 2.5 summit laps with said group and witnessed no shuttling, lots of schralping!

    Yep it's good out there right now....even the preston was 85% dry!

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    It's awesome to hear the trails are drying out! It's starting to feel almost summery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakybro View Post
    Sounds awesome! So, how many trucks did it take to transpo you guys and bikes back up to the top all those times?
    Just my truck, cuz i was already up there from building that day. But no shuttling, everyone pedaled for their laps. One of our guys did 6 laps last night, each lap is 600 feet of elev up that road, so he rode like a boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Did 2.5 summit laps with said group and witnessed no shuttling, lots of schralping!

    Yep it's good out there right now....even the preston was 85% dry!
    Just watch out for the drones...

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    Rode it yesterday, best condition I have seen it yet, don't think I saw a single puddle and no major water until about 2nd switchback on Preston. Major props to the trail builders up there

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    Rode the Trifecta today - Iverson, E.T. Summit & Preston, and NW Timber. It was in fine shape. Only some clear flowing water on Preston; no significant mud.
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    It was sweet today--two cycles of the Summit trail from Summit to top of PRR and then down. Minor, almost inconsequential mud and clear water elsewhere on PRR.

    Found a water bottle on PRR; if you want it, tell me size and color and I'll find some way to get it back to you.

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    Saturday morning was some of the best conditions I've seen this early. Summit is sweet! Only the two middle sections on Preston were wet and not bad. Rock work on the last leg of Preston was very impressive and provides a good technical challenge.

    I didn't ride the enduro last year but I would imagine railing Summit and Preston non-stop at race pace would be an ass-kicker. We were toast at the bottom with three short stops.

    Looking forward to the new trails...I hope they are down hill.

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    Navigator, think about an 18:38 top to bottom and then down the road and right around the corner a hundred yards or so... That was the fastest time last year. 4+ minutes faster than yours truly at 23:01.

    Still some 1-way DH trails in the plan I hear.

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    18:38 is insane. I did it in 21:20, and I scared myself several times. 20+ minutes of non-stop hauling ass was a lot of fun. Lots of traffic to deal with but everyone was pretty cool about letting you pass.

    Ive done trail work and got to ride a lot of the new SS trail and it has a lot of killer DH sections. The "off-the grid" trail should be pretty insane when it is complete!
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    Sure that guy didn't have a motor??? Braaappp! Sub 20 Min sounds like a good goal for the year. The toughest part for me is recovering after the climb. I think my Enduro strategy would be climb to the top, get a massage, followed by an hour nap. Then I'd be ready to really rip!

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    That's from the top of the summit trail to the bottom of Preston and right a hundred yards?
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    Yep.... "That guy", my old neighbor, went to the XC worlds as a junior in like '97 if I recall. Total XC geek putting it to the DH guys.

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    I could see it favoring a strong XC rider, for all the fun it is to bomb down, much of it is mainly straight. And if you dont mind a rough ride, something you could keep cranking on. Out of curiosity, what were the time limits to climb to the top of summit trail, and iverson for the first part?
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    No time limit to Iverson. Just had to be there for the start and we all went up in waves. (Plenty of time.) For Preston, it seemed like a lot of time as well.(30 minutes?) Even hung out with Joel at the road crossing for a while to watch people wipe out at the flat corner before the roccky section. Yeah, it was pretty funny like he told me it would be.... People can't ride a flat curve I guess...

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    Wow, I don't think I can make the make the summit in 30 minutes, that's a bit faster than I can climb. Oh well, keep trying
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Borneo: do you know what the Tiger enduro course is going to be this year?

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    I don't think it was 30 minutes. There is exactly one time set in Strava for that segment of the parking area to the summit less than 30 minutes. ACree doesn't even have a time listed in Strava less than 30 minutes.

    It's almost four miles and 1600+' of gain. Tough for mere mortal enthusiasts to do that in 30 minutes. Heck, it's tough to do in under an hour for anyone packing an extra bike's worth of weight!

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    Thanks I feel better now. I could maybe do the whole thing in 50 minutes, but that's all I've got right now
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Totally agree. I'm happy when I can do it in 45. Gotta have something left over in the tank for the down!

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    A buddy of mine broke his FD cable on the climb, so we climbed to the summit is our 36t front rings, just to see if we could. Took about 40 minutes and I dont know if I could go much faster.

    For the Tiger Enduro I was with 6 other guys and we all waited at the end of Iverson and climbed together. I bet we took an hour to get up top. We were BSing and taking our time. Once up top we had to wait for another 10 minutes before starting the stage due to the line.

    From what I've heard this year's course is going to be a lot different than last year. Much more DH stuff and less XC. Last year stage 1 and 3 were had a lot of pedalling, but the time difference between my friends was less than 30 seconds per stage. Stage 2 is what separates everyone, so if you can't bomb downhill ou lost a lot of time and stage 1 or 3 wasnt long enough to make up any serious ground.
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    Okay, an hour then, with plenty of time to spare... More DH and less pedalling is stupid. The long Summit/Preston section was a big disadvantage already last year for those that can pedal. (Except for Garret of course.) It really needs to be balanced.

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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Enduro definitions from Pinkbike:

    "The most basic definition is timed downhills and untimed uphills."

    "The word downhill is an important one: if the timed stages arenít mostly downhill, it ainít enduro. The UCI are looking into becoming involved with the format and it is their gravity section who are looking at it, thatís the same people who look after downhill. With the original Tribe enduro races in France they aimed for no more than 10-15% uphill in a stage. That is just a rough figure, you wonít catch them out on the hill with a trundlewheel checking the precise ratio of downhill millimetres of versus uphill millimetres of trail Ė it was all about how the trail felt when you rode it. If a race has skills' sections or climbing stages in, sure they might be fun races, but they arenít enduro and shouldnít be called enduro. Same goes for the long-distance XC races that called themselves enduro, if they donít have the timed stages and untimed liaisons format, it isnít enduro."

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    I thought the whole point of Enduro was focusing on the downhills....
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    Sorry, didn't want to bring up that argument yet again... With last year's course, if you didn't kill the Summit/PRT section, it didn't matter. I guess that's what I meant by more balanced.

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    Sorry, I didn't realize this was a sore subject previously. I wonder how they could really change the course at Tiger though, it already went on the 3 trails that are out there?
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Hopefully the addition of one or both of the new soon-to-be-open trails will balance out the course more.

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    Not that it matters, but: Enduro generally has untimed liaison stages, but with enforced (albeit generous) maximum cut-off times, meaning it's technically possible to lose on a liaison stage. That key component has been missing from Washington Enduro so far. In my opinion, having no enforced cut-off takes too much pressure off of the climbing stages, unbalancing the race. That said, if your goal is to have fun, then it's worth something to be able to hang at the end of a special stage to wait for your buddies so you can ride up and BS together.
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    You guys are making me want to go ride Tiger today now, but I have a feeling it's probably really sloppy from the rain last night.
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    I wonder if it is snowing up top at Tiger. Chains are required at Snoqualmie pass right now!
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    I was thinking same thing as Tarakith! Gotta stop thinking about it and get some work done. Gonna hit it later in the week (Wed or Thu) once it dries back out. Fcst says warming.

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    We will probably be up there Wednesday night! Meeting up at 7:30pm...
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Cool. How is Preston at night? Never tried it then. That's a trail I usually like to look farther downstream when I'm really bangin' it.

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    It is a lot of fun! We all run a lot of light so you can see well, but some spots you start to outrun your light . I generally swap one of my light lenses from flood to spot just to get a longer throw down the trail. I personally find it almost easier to ride at night. Less distractions because you are only concentrating on a small lighted area. At night you can also climb up the summit trail without worry of getting hit by a descender on a blind corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    I don't think it was 30 minutes. There is exactly one time set in Strava for that segment of the parking area to the summit less than 30 minutes. ACree doesn't even have a time listed in Strava less than 30 minutes.
    Yet.

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    It's almost four miles and 1600+' of gain. Tough for mere mortal enthusiasts to do that in 30 minutes. Heck, it's tough to do in under an hour for anyone packing an extra bike's worth of weight!
    From the BBTC archives: RATT Pretty sure Loomis or someone did it in 26 something back then. I doubt that was followed up by a 15 minute run down Preston (the old goal I'm told by one who chased it) Combined time for the whole loop is a lot more interesting to compare IMO.

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    Interesting discussion. I can get up to the top in 51 minutes, and I'm gassed when I get there. My goal for this summer is to see how much under 50 I can get. Last week I was about 2/3 of the way up and a skinny guy in what looked like cut off jeans on a single speed blew past me like I was going backwards. Very cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    From the BBTC archives: RATT Pretty sure Loomis or someone did it in 26 something back then. I doubt that was followed up by a 15 minute run down Preston (the old goal I'm told by one who chased it) Combined time for the whole loop is a lot more interesting to compare IMO.
    From that RATT page: "The record so far is 26:38 set by Rob Cook in 2003."

    I do believe Rob's climb record still stands today. In my top riding condition, I finished second on that climb of June 5, 2003, 3:03 back, and Rob's ride was simply inhuman. He was a pro runner from Virginia or Maryland who lived out here for a brief period.

    If I'm not mistaken, Loomis was on that same ride, too. It was a memorable day.

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    Unbelievably fast!

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    I cant wait for the climbing trail to be in so we can ride top to bottom singletrack, no more of this gravel roadie stuff!

    Also the Preston section was NOT a big disadvantage for those that can pedal, cuz you have to pedal your face off to go down the Summit trail and Preston in 20 mins.
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Was that 26:38 back in 2003 actually to the summit, or just to Preston start? Quite impressive regardless, but insanely fast if to the summit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbty View Post
    I cant wait for the climbing trail to be in so we can ride top to bottom singletrack, no more of this gravel roadie stuff!

    Also the Preston section was NOT a big disadvantage for those that can pedal, cuz you have to pedal your face off to go down the Summit trail and Preston in 20 mins.
    Will the climbing trail be one way?

    The flat section at the start of Preston is what made/broke the times. My buddies and I all seem to hang with each other no problem on the downhill parts, but that pedally section was the big difference I was able to pass two friends on that part, but they hung pretty close once the trail pointed downward.
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