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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Parking lot full, nobody up on top. Had E. Summit trail all to myself- everybody was down low I guess. Dirt was damn near perfect. So fun and so fast- that trail just RIPS! Snow still across the road up near the top- just added to the experience. What a beaut of a day. Rainier in all her glory from the top.

    Preston was in good shape too. Wet & blazing fast, but not really that muddy. Lots of nice trail work on the bottom section too.

    Overall, super fun day! With the weather forecast, I'd highly recommend calling in sick tomorrow afternoon.

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    Perspective is such a strange thing. I rode all three trails today as well but was thinking to myself the whole time, I really shouldn't be on these trails, this is trashing the work of others. It was a great day to get out and ride but the trail tread is very soft in a lot of areas.

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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Summit trail was firm for me- seriously. Only a few short spots were a little squishy, but not enough to cause damage. I don't weigh much . I'll bet it's totally good tomorrow.

    Preston was wet like it always is. NTT was more muddy in spots.

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    Graham from Evergreen and a WCC crew went in today to clean all the mucky goo off the trail left over from its first winter. We rode it Sunday, I was really gooey so we wanted to go clean it up with the nice weather coming.

    It was pretty damaged from people riding it with all the snow and rain the last few weeks. It had a 2"-6" lay of muck all over it.

    You can thank Sam from the DNR for lending Graham the crew.
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    Amazing they could clean off the entire summit trail in one day. I rode summit Monday evening, and there was a fair bit of squish the majority of the trail. I'd decided to stay off for a while to let it dry out some more. Thanks to the trail crew for fixing it as those trails are some of the best around.

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    Good deal, it's good to go for Thursday then? I had planned on hitting Tiger after at least two warm dry days had firmed things up before riding on the new trail specifically, since it is the highest and newest one and likeliest to remain colder and wetter. If mtbty thinks it's good to go, I'll take his word on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    Good deal, it's good to go for Thursday then? I had planned on hitting Tiger after at least two warm dry days had firmed things up before riding on the new trail specifically, since it is the highest and newest one and likeliest to remain colder and wetter. If mtbty thinks it's good to go, I'll take his word on it.
    the new trail is open now?

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    I did a sunset/ full moon ride on the summit trail tonight with a big group of rock star trail builders tonight. Lapped the summit trail 3 times. It is really good right now, other then a little squish in spots, but with the weather forecast it might turn in to goop again. Lots of clay on that trail. If it's ridden in mod/heavy presip it could/ likely will goop up again fast.

    Riding it in light rain should be fine, but maybe holding off riding during mod/ heavy presip so the trail doesn't get sloppy. Tire pressure brings moisture to the surface, which doesn't work well with a high clay content.

    friday will be epic up there, and this weekend could be hit or miss tell sunday evening. just plan avoiding it Sunday evening thru mid of next week would be good for the trail.
    Give it a few days to dry up after the 1.5-2" of rain that's forecasted to come do early next week will help a lot.

    Just remember it rains 2 to 3 times harder at the summit then in town.

    Preston's Preston, so enjoy that river trail if you would like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbty View Post
    I did a sunset/ full moon ride on the summit trail tonight with a big group of rock star trail builders tonight. Lapped the summit trail 3 times. .

    Sounds awesome! So, how many trucks did it take to transpo you guys and bikes back up to the top all those times?

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    Did 2.5 summit laps with said group and witnessed no shuttling, lots of schralping!

    Yep it's good out there right now....even the preston was 85% dry!

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    It's awesome to hear the trails are drying out! It's starting to feel almost summery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakybro View Post
    Sounds awesome! So, how many trucks did it take to transpo you guys and bikes back up to the top all those times?
    Just my truck, cuz i was already up there from building that day. But no shuttling, everyone pedaled for their laps. One of our guys did 6 laps last night, each lap is 600 feet of elev up that road, so he rode like a boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Did 2.5 summit laps with said group and witnessed no shuttling, lots of schralping!

    Yep it's good out there right now....even the preston was 85% dry!
    Just watch out for the drones...

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    Rode it yesterday, best condition I have seen it yet, don't think I saw a single puddle and no major water until about 2nd switchback on Preston. Major props to the trail builders up there

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    Rode the Trifecta today - Iverson, E.T. Summit & Preston, and NW Timber. It was in fine shape. Only some clear flowing water on Preston; no significant mud.
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    It was sweet today--two cycles of the Summit trail from Summit to top of PRR and then down. Minor, almost inconsequential mud and clear water elsewhere on PRR.

    Found a water bottle on PRR; if you want it, tell me size and color and I'll find some way to get it back to you.

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    Saturday morning was some of the best conditions I've seen this early. Summit is sweet! Only the two middle sections on Preston were wet and not bad. Rock work on the last leg of Preston was very impressive and provides a good technical challenge.

    I didn't ride the enduro last year but I would imagine railing Summit and Preston non-stop at race pace would be an ass-kicker. We were toast at the bottom with three short stops.

    Looking forward to the new trails...I hope they are down hill.

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    Navigator, think about an 18:38 top to bottom and then down the road and right around the corner a hundred yards or so... That was the fastest time last year. 4+ minutes faster than yours truly at 23:01.

    Still some 1-way DH trails in the plan I hear.

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    18:38 is insane. I did it in 21:20, and I scared myself several times. 20+ minutes of non-stop hauling ass was a lot of fun. Lots of traffic to deal with but everyone was pretty cool about letting you pass.

    Ive done trail work and got to ride a lot of the new SS trail and it has a lot of killer DH sections. The "off-the grid" trail should be pretty insane when it is complete!
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    Sure that guy didn't have a motor??? Braaappp! Sub 20 Min sounds like a good goal for the year. The toughest part for me is recovering after the climb. I think my Enduro strategy would be climb to the top, get a massage, followed by an hour nap. Then I'd be ready to really rip!

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    That's from the top of the summit trail to the bottom of Preston and right a hundred yards?
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    Yep.... "That guy", my old neighbor, went to the XC worlds as a junior in like '97 if I recall. Total XC geek putting it to the DH guys.

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    I could see it favoring a strong XC rider, for all the fun it is to bomb down, much of it is mainly straight. And if you dont mind a rough ride, something you could keep cranking on. Out of curiosity, what were the time limits to climb to the top of summit trail, and iverson for the first part?
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    No time limit to Iverson. Just had to be there for the start and we all went up in waves. (Plenty of time.) For Preston, it seemed like a lot of time as well.(30 minutes?) Even hung out with Joel at the road crossing for a while to watch people wipe out at the flat corner before the roccky section. Yeah, it was pretty funny like he told me it would be.... People can't ride a flat curve I guess...

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    Wow, I don't think I can make the make the summit in 30 minutes, that's a bit faster than I can climb. Oh well, keep trying
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Borneo: do you know what the Tiger enduro course is going to be this year?

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    I don't think it was 30 minutes. There is exactly one time set in Strava for that segment of the parking area to the summit less than 30 minutes. ACree doesn't even have a time listed in Strava less than 30 minutes.

    It's almost four miles and 1600+' of gain. Tough for mere mortal enthusiasts to do that in 30 minutes. Heck, it's tough to do in under an hour for anyone packing an extra bike's worth of weight!

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    Thanks I feel better now. I could maybe do the whole thing in 50 minutes, but that's all I've got right now
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Totally agree. I'm happy when I can do it in 45. Gotta have something left over in the tank for the down!

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    A buddy of mine broke his FD cable on the climb, so we climbed to the summit is our 36t front rings, just to see if we could. Took about 40 minutes and I dont know if I could go much faster.

    For the Tiger Enduro I was with 6 other guys and we all waited at the end of Iverson and climbed together. I bet we took an hour to get up top. We were BSing and taking our time. Once up top we had to wait for another 10 minutes before starting the stage due to the line.

    From what I've heard this year's course is going to be a lot different than last year. Much more DH stuff and less XC. Last year stage 1 and 3 were had a lot of pedalling, but the time difference between my friends was less than 30 seconds per stage. Stage 2 is what separates everyone, so if you can't bomb downhill ou lost a lot of time and stage 1 or 3 wasnt long enough to make up any serious ground.
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    Okay, an hour then, with plenty of time to spare... More DH and less pedalling is stupid. The long Summit/Preston section was a big disadvantage already last year for those that can pedal. (Except for Garret of course.) It really needs to be balanced.

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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Enduro definitions from Pinkbike:

    "The most basic definition is timed downhills and untimed uphills."

    "The word downhill is an important one: if the timed stages arenít mostly downhill, it ainít enduro. The UCI are looking into becoming involved with the format and it is their gravity section who are looking at it, thatís the same people who look after downhill. With the original Tribe enduro races in France they aimed for no more than 10-15% uphill in a stage. That is just a rough figure, you wonít catch them out on the hill with a trundlewheel checking the precise ratio of downhill millimetres of versus uphill millimetres of trail Ė it was all about how the trail felt when you rode it. If a race has skills' sections or climbing stages in, sure they might be fun races, but they arenít enduro and shouldnít be called enduro. Same goes for the long-distance XC races that called themselves enduro, if they donít have the timed stages and untimed liaisons format, it isnít enduro."

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    I thought the whole point of Enduro was focusing on the downhills....
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    Sorry, didn't want to bring up that argument yet again... With last year's course, if you didn't kill the Summit/PRT section, it didn't matter. I guess that's what I meant by more balanced.

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    Sorry, I didn't realize this was a sore subject previously. I wonder how they could really change the course at Tiger though, it already went on the 3 trails that are out there?
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Hopefully the addition of one or both of the new soon-to-be-open trails will balance out the course more.

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    Not that it matters, but: Enduro generally has untimed liaison stages, but with enforced (albeit generous) maximum cut-off times, meaning it's technically possible to lose on a liaison stage. That key component has been missing from Washington Enduro so far. In my opinion, having no enforced cut-off takes too much pressure off of the climbing stages, unbalancing the race. That said, if your goal is to have fun, then it's worth something to be able to hang at the end of a special stage to wait for your buddies so you can ride up and BS together.
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    You guys are making me want to go ride Tiger today now, but I have a feeling it's probably really sloppy from the rain last night.
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    I wonder if it is snowing up top at Tiger. Chains are required at Snoqualmie pass right now!
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    I was thinking same thing as Tarakith! Gotta stop thinking about it and get some work done. Gonna hit it later in the week (Wed or Thu) once it dries back out. Fcst says warming.

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    We will probably be up there Wednesday night! Meeting up at 7:30pm...
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Cool. How is Preston at night? Never tried it then. That's a trail I usually like to look farther downstream when I'm really bangin' it.

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    It is a lot of fun! We all run a lot of light so you can see well, but some spots you start to outrun your light . I generally swap one of my light lenses from flood to spot just to get a longer throw down the trail. I personally find it almost easier to ride at night. Less distractions because you are only concentrating on a small lighted area. At night you can also climb up the summit trail without worry of getting hit by a descender on a blind corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    I don't think it was 30 minutes. There is exactly one time set in Strava for that segment of the parking area to the summit less than 30 minutes. ACree doesn't even have a time listed in Strava less than 30 minutes.
    Yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    It's almost four miles and 1600+' of gain. Tough for mere mortal enthusiasts to do that in 30 minutes. Heck, it's tough to do in under an hour for anyone packing an extra bike's worth of weight!
    From the BBTC archives: RATT Pretty sure Loomis or someone did it in 26 something back then. I doubt that was followed up by a 15 minute run down Preston (the old goal I'm told by one who chased it) Combined time for the whole loop is a lot more interesting to compare IMO.

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    Interesting discussion. I can get up to the top in 51 minutes, and I'm gassed when I get there. My goal for this summer is to see how much under 50 I can get. Last week I was about 2/3 of the way up and a skinny guy in what looked like cut off jeans on a single speed blew past me like I was going backwards. Very cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    From the BBTC archives: RATT Pretty sure Loomis or someone did it in 26 something back then. I doubt that was followed up by a 15 minute run down Preston (the old goal I'm told by one who chased it) Combined time for the whole loop is a lot more interesting to compare IMO.
    From that RATT page: "The record so far is 26:38 set by Rob Cook in 2003."

    I do believe Rob's climb record still stands today. In my top riding condition, I finished second on that climb of June 5, 2003, 3:03 back, and Rob's ride was simply inhuman. He was a pro runner from Virginia or Maryland who lived out here for a brief period.

    If I'm not mistaken, Loomis was on that same ride, too. It was a memorable day.

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    Unbelievably fast!

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    I cant wait for the climbing trail to be in so we can ride top to bottom singletrack, no more of this gravel roadie stuff!

    Also the Preston section was NOT a big disadvantage for those that can pedal, cuz you have to pedal your face off to go down the Summit trail and Preston in 20 mins.
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Was that 26:38 back in 2003 actually to the summit, or just to Preston start? Quite impressive regardless, but insanely fast if to the summit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbty View Post
    I cant wait for the climbing trail to be in so we can ride top to bottom singletrack, no more of this gravel roadie stuff!

    Also the Preston section was NOT a big disadvantage for those that can pedal, cuz you have to pedal your face off to go down the Summit trail and Preston in 20 mins.
    Will the climbing trail be one way?

    The flat section at the start of Preston is what made/broke the times. My buddies and I all seem to hang with each other no problem on the downhill parts, but that pedally section was the big difference I was able to pass two friends on that part, but they hung pretty close once the trail pointed downward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freakybro View Post
    Interesting discussion. I can get up to the top in 51 minutes, and I'm gassed when I get there. My goal for this summer is to see how much under 50 I can get. Last week I was about 2/3 of the way up and a skinny guy in what looked like cut off jeans on a single speed blew past me like I was going backwards. Very cool.
    Indeed. I did a 55 last fall after the summit trail opened up and I was worthless on the descent. Last week, I did it in under an hour, but took 30 minutes at top to eat something, hydrate, and generally compose myself. I felt good enough (well, maybe stupid enough) that I decided to go from the top of PRR back to the summit and do it again.

    *Then* I was pretty well bingo on fuel, but still managed a PR for myself on the whole East Summit Trail/PRR.

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    Re: Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Damn, I must be fat and lazy, me and my buds are taking like 70 minutes to get up to the top, mostly because I don't want to ware out my bike. Going down we are all about average. That's pretty much the only reason I climb up, to go down. Oh, and to also work on getting less fat...on another, similar note, am I the only one who's heart rate is lower climbing than descending? Going up, I'm between 165 and 175, Going down, not peddling it can shoot up to 185!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    Will the climbing trail be one way?
    For bikes it will be one way up, both ways for footed only users, no beast allowed. It will start a few hundred yards in off NWT then make it's way up the east slope to the saddle near the big barrow pit view point.
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Quote Originally Posted by innovator8 View Post
    on another, similar note, am I the only one who's heart rate is lower climbing than descending? Going up, I'm between 165 and 175, Going down, not peddling it can shoot up to 185!
    Typical DH symptom. Fear of impending, violent death typically adds 10 - 20 bpm.

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    Re: Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nsteele View Post
    Typical DH symptom. Fear of impending, violent death typically adds 10 - 20 bpm.
    Well stated....

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    I just got a text from a buddy who is at Tiger right now. He said there is 8" of snow at the summit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nsteele View Post
    Was that 26:38 back in 2003 actually to the summit, or just to Preston start? Quite impressive regardless, but insanely fast if to the summit.
    This was absolutely from the closed parking lot gate to the site of the picnic table on the summit of East Tiger in 26:38 on June 5, 2003. I don't see that record falling until we get a pro rider out there with some experience on the route.

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    What Mr Lynch said... Just heard from Tyler and Bryan... ** 8" of new snow on the new E Tiger Summit Trail **. We're asking riders to please give the trail a break until the snow melts. Should be melted and ready to ride by Friday. Please plan your ride at a lower elev destination or stick to the Preston and NW Timber trails for the next few days. The trail, trail builders and all Tiger Mt riders really appreciate it! Huge Thanks!

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    Sounds like a plan. We are riding Tiger tomorrow and will just drop in at Preston.
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    Oh boy, the "Hiking with my Brother" feature in todays Seattle Times has a route that recommends hikers go up Preston to the E. Tiger Summit. Watch out for hikers out there!

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    Preston is two way isn't it? Should be careful anyway. There also isn't many blind spots that I can think of.

    The article also mentions Silent Swamp as an alternate route when its open. For some reason I thought this was going to be biker only.

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    Preston is two way isn't it? Should be careful anyway. There also isn't many blind spots that I can think of.
    Preston is two way and you're right that one should always be careful when using that trail. But if there's a widely publicized story about Preston that could lead to a "pulse" of foot traffic then I think it's worth knowing about that possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodway View Post
    Oh boy, the "Hiking with my Brother" feature in todays Seattle Times has a route that recommends hikers go up Preston to the E. Tiger Summit. Watch out for hikers out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sagebrush Slug View Post
    Posted on 4/28 and reporting on "a few weeks ago".

    Of course there was nobody on the trails: they were closed.
    Typical Issy Alpz dirty trail-poaching behavior! Probably stomped a half-dozen NW crested newts while they were at it...

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    is the trail closed or just closed to mountain bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodway View Post
    Oh boy, the "Hiking with my Brother" feature in todays Seattle Times has a route that recommends hikers go up Preston to the E. Tiger Summit. Watch out for hikers out there!

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    Thanks for the heads up on the article! Lucky for us the route they recommend includes a bunch of bushwacking rather than starting from the trailhead parking lot. But it's always a good idea to ride in control and be on the lookout for hikers (and riders headed up) on both Preston and NW Timber especially, and the Summit trail too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DopeSlap View Post
    From that RATT page: "The record so far is 26:38 set by Rob Cook in 2003."

    I do believe Rob's climb record still stands today. In my top riding condition, I finished second on that climb of June 5, 2003, 3:03 back, and Rob's ride was simply inhuman. He was a pro runner from Virginia or Maryland who lived out here for a brief period.

    If I'm not mistaken, Loomis was on that same ride, too. It was a memorable day.
    Today, there is a claimed 26:36 on the climb from the parking lot to the East Summit via the road. GPS on Strava.

    Wow. Mat is a strong dude, X-Terra and all that, riding a C'dale F29 Carbon Ultimate hardtail that the last I heard was sub-19 lbs.

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    That's insane! If I push hard and do it in sub 40 minutes I'm very happy. I still prefer a 50 minute climb so I can go all out on the descent!
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    Damn, I usually take like and hour 5min because I don't want to ware out my bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    That's insane! If I push hard and do it in sub 40 minutes I'm very happy. I still prefer a 50 minute climb so I can go all out on the descent!
    if i could do the climb in under 2hrs ill be happy. being fat and way out of shape makes that climb a p.i.t.a. but ill happily do it for the ride down my best is 2hr 18min so i got a ways to go lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    That's insane! If I push hard and do it in sub 40 minutes I'm very happy. I still prefer a 50 minute climb so I can go all out on the descent!
    To make it even more insanerrrr...he climbed up Taylor Mt first...crossed 18 then went up Tiger. I'm feeling very old all of a sudden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbcracken View Post
    To make it even more insanerrrr...he climbed up Taylor Mt first...crossed 18 then went up Tiger. I'm feeling very old all of a sudden.

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    Got out here later in the afternoon yesterday, thanks to the Washington Brewers fest, and sleeping in. This was the first time getting out here in a few years and rode the new trail section. The upper section has certainly been duthie-fied; HUGE banked turns and whoops everywhere.

    Preston is starting to feel like the north shore; Seymour specifically to me. Rocks being filled into places due to high traffic volume and makeshift stunts (e.g. flat log to bar hump to drop to flat).

    It's just interesting to see how this trail has evolved over the last few years ... especially with a thread like this drawing attention to how the trails are being built on the west side. I wonder if the builders in Canada had similar conversations?

    Also, I had to chuckle to myself at the breadth of riders at Tiger. I saw some kids on free ride bikes and a ton of full faced helmets, and the next car over all spandex with HRM and XC race bike.

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    LOTS of hikers out yesterday too. Even talked with one 88 year old guy at the picnic table at the top for a while. Hiked all the way up. Cool part was one family we passed on NWT on the way back and the little kid says, "Happy Father's day!" Same for Happy Trails behind me to which the response was.... "I'm not a father." Typical wet spots but not too bad. The very bottom cobbling is a bit weird and greasy but love the first old RR grade pull in and wide draining. Great job there guys! Thanks for all the work to tighten it up.

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    This is not addressed to Tenuous...his post just got me here.

    I went up Saturday morning with a bunch of climbers and I was on my freeride bike. The fastest did the full summit climb in 30 minutes! and I was 51.

    Anyway I hadn't been up there for 6 weeks since all the "Flow" conversations started. So I rode it trying to notice whether this was truly Bootcamp at higher elevation or not. The answer is NOT.

    Anyone who thinks this isn't a technical trail needs to ride it again and pay attention to what their fork is experiencing. Yes there are berms on the switchbacks, and the section above the road is pretty smooth (all 90 seconds of it); but everything below the road is tech. Rocks, roots, steeps up/down, off camber everywhere, trees, tight corners...all at high speed. No breaks, just consistently tough tech mixed with rollers (which make it tougher).

    Yes it's fast and doesn't descend at a constant grade; but I don't think "flowy" describes this trail. I think this trail is unique and self defining...a category breaker. The more I ride, the more I appreciate. I think we will also find, as occurred at Duthie, that over the next years of heavy riding, the hard pack will compress and expose more and more roots/rocks to add to the tech-fest.

    Preston: always amazing how tired this trail makes me going down hill. Love the last rocky section. Also, was both smiled at and lectured by a women's riding group climbing up Preston. The lecture was by someone already stopped and off the trail telling us to slow down. I couldn't quite understand due to the Doppler effect. I always slow or stop if necessary for climbers and give the "rider up" call; but if you're off the trail or if theirs plenty of room, sorry but wooosh...especially on that trail.

    Also, was thinking why in the world someone would want to hike at East Tiger on those trails on Saturday. Soooo other many places to hike in the area or on that mountain, with no bikes. One guy I passed and said Hi too looked like he'd pulled off the trail 100 times...big scowl and a grunt. Don't get it. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenuous View Post
    I wonder if the builders in Canada had similar conversations?
    No need to wonder, just read

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    Yep, I've had this same conversation with Woodsy (NSMBA trail director) a bunch. Many of the old-school / vocal minority aren't in favor of some of the changes to the Shore...that's for sure. That said, having ridden a few days up there this past month, the trails that haven't seen any rerouting (or work) look really, really haggard and their routing looks super dated by what we do today. Whereas the recent work on Ladies Only, Expresso, Dreamweaver, etc. are all super well thought out and make me want to ride the Shore again - something I couldn't really say for the past few years.

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    Re: Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!

    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    LOTS of hikers out yesterday too. Even talked with one 88 year old guy at the picnic table at the top for a while. Hiked all the way up. Cool part was one family we passed on NWT on the way back and the little kid says, "Happy Father's day!" Same for Happy Trails behind me to which the response was.... "I'm not a father." Typical wet spots but not too bad. The very bottom cobbling is a bit weird and greasy but love the first old RR grade pull in and wide draining. Great job there guys! Thanks for all the work to tighten it up.
    How funny! Those were my kids!

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    I wish we could come up with a better name for this trail then "East Tiger Summit Trail". So lame, so anodyne. Maybe name it in tribute to Brian Jones, or call it "Upper Preston" or something. Does Evergreen or DNR name it - I guess it doesn't matter, its what we in the community call it that matters.

    And I"m not the first to mention it by any means, but we are going to have serious problems if there are going to be people hiking on that trail. Its funny, but because it is smoother, you are less likely to hear the clang of the bike coming down then you are on lower Preston. Sight lines are more restricted as well.

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    Could call it Mean Muggin, Cuz I get so many dirty Mean Muggin looks while working on Tiger. 95% of people give me a mean mug when I'm driving up to work on the trails their about to go ride.

    I want to call it Squatch Top, cuz it's at the top of the mt and Squatch Top makes me think of a Sasquatch milling around the woods with the sickest mullet ever!

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    What about Mean Muggin Squatch Top!!

    This is what I think people look like when they get all Mean Muggin on trail builders, HAHA
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    Made it up there today for the first time in a few weeks thinking the nice weekend would have dried things out. Since I was out of town the last few days, didn't realize it rained overnight though, doh! So, a bit wetter than I was expecting due to the odd puddle and threads here, but still a fun time. A couple guys with full faces were just leaving as I arrived, and shortly before I left 4 more XC style riders reached the summit too. Other than that, I didn't see any other bikers today.

    There sure were a lot of hikers though, only all the trails at Tiger. I was pretty surprised at how many were on THOSE trails on a Monday, but it must have been at least 20-25 people. Wonder what's up with more hikers choosing East Tiger to hike on lately, seems like I see more and more the last couple of years...
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    2 weeks ago when we were hiking out of Preston I noticed a hiker only trail that went down the hill off the inital flat section of Preston before the switchbacks. Has is always been there? Ive been riding tiger since the mid 90s and never noticed before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    2 weeks ago when we were hiking out of Preston I noticed a hiker only trail that went down the hill off the inital flat section of Preston before the switchbacks. Has is always been there? Ive been riding tiger since the mid 90s and never noticed before.
    Are you referring to the East Tiger Tr as shown here on the Evergreen site map?

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    The "new east tiger trail" is a reroute of that trail. Just like the silent swamp trail is a reroute of an old trail. Both new to bikes though.

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    The part we saw had a hiker only sign and the trail was kind of hidden. It only appeared to go down from Preston and not across it. Its funny we never noticed it before. Given its location and the fact it appears to come out near Iverson I'm surprised it isn't open to mountain biking.
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    Tiger Mtn E. Summit Trail was SOOOO NICE today!-photo.jpgthe sign is new but the trail has been there forever.

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    There are more than a few people here who will tell you that they have never ridden that trail.... Really. Never. Not through the boggy part near the bottom or across the creek before the old road. Never....ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navigator View Post
    Also, was thinking why in the world someone would want to hike at East Tiger on those trails on Saturday. Soooo other many places to hike in the area or on that mountain, with no bikes. One guy I passed and said Hi too looked like he'd pulled off the trail 100 times...big scowl and a grunt. Don't get it. Oh well.
    NWHikers.net - View topic - The new East Tiger summit trail Hikers seem to have discovered the trail. They already want their own version though.

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    I agree it's kind of strange to find hikers on this trail. Scott E. dragged me up there late in the day Wednesday. Fcked up my golf game for the rest of the week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACree View Post
    NWHikers.net - View topic - The new East Tiger summit trail Hikers seem to have discovered the trail. They already want their own version though.
    Thanks for the link ... interesting to see(read) it from another perspective. Even more interesting to see how that community is somewhat divided on the topic as well.

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    I dont think a lot of people realize just how wet Tiger is and the "rollercoaster" affect keeps water off the trail. Less water means less wear and less maintenance needed.
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    >There sure were a lot of hikers though

    I hope there isn't some movement to assert themselves by making a special effort to hike the Muggin' trail. Time for some cowbells (on the hikers !)

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    A: I can relate to the "roller coaster" deal. I get Ty's plan and that some of them are planned doubles... But... Wider and shallower work well too and can be a little more "user friendly" for all. (Yes, I know building bigger to start and allowing for wear down is a great idea. But, everyone doesn't know that...)

    B: Hikers... I searched the web last night after trail work at Cherry Valley some since there were 6 cars w/o bike racks there on a Monday afternoon. (8 last Wednesday evening...) Looks like since the DNR acquired the property, the hiker forums are all over it. Used to be no one was out there and now it's packed with hikers going to/from the falls and being, "surprised" by seeing MTBs, equestrians, and the occasional local on a dirt bike.

    Hope it's not a trend...

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    well we better work on our nicety's, or they'll start complaining and they will kick us out of our trail.

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    So many better places to hike that Tiger East summit. Its the trashy leftovers given to bikers. Nowhere near as scenic as other area. The view is nice from the summit, but you can get just as nice from Taylor and thats a friendlier hike thru nicer looking forest.
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    We rode Tiger Monday morning, it is about perfect! Dirt is tacky, packed in with an awesome mainline, rolling fast! There is just 1 little wet section, I wouldnt want any drier than this otherwise traction is going down.
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