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    T-East Tailhead mayhem

    I know this is common knowledge to many here but for any of the noobs....

    Be kind, clean up, quiet during the evening hours, respectful of the neighbors, etc.

    It's been packed as of late with news of FT3K re-opening and other multi-platinum video releases circulating the intra-webz...

    And, not going to get any quieter as the dry months arrive....

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    Beers, berms, and bikes.
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    I think there's another factor....which is:
    With the addition of GS, more tokul west riders are now parking at 356th, instead of accessing via SE39th.

    Having spent some recent weekend days on flowtron, traffic has been surprisingly light. Certainly way fewer riders than cars in the lot, like less than half.

    regardless I agree with the message. Keep it quiet.

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    We always ride early and are generally one of the first cars in the lot. When we leave I love watching the mayhem as 5 cars jockey for our 1 spot.

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    Oh great, Duthie #2. :

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    Good point FM though those that I know ride it West to East to finish on FT3K or Ivan, etc. The lot across from the Diner still is pretty empty considering the space available.

    Another option used for BBTC/EMBA rides in the past has been the tennis courts at the Salish. But, we don't want to anger them either and there are rumors of break ins up there. But, a nice little trail warm up to get into East there.

    Hopefully, we've learned a little from the Duthie issues....

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    How many have passes? Just sayin.....
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    everyone of course! Hancock is raking it in

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    Paying for a pass does not entitle you to a parking spot, there is no where to park on handcock's land

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    mine does ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by ortedd View Post
    Paying for a pass does not entitle you to a parking spot, there is no where to park on handcock's land
    I'm not complaining about the parking. I parked half a mile past the lot just so I could Strava that stretch! I'm complaining that most (and I am slightly speculating) that more than half of yesterday's riders were without passes. But really now, does that matter? I mean, where's the enforcement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    Good point FM though those that I know ride it West to East to finish on FT3K or Ivan, etc. The lot across from the Diner still is pretty empty considering the space available.

    Another option used for BBTC/EMBA rides in the past has been the tennis courts at the Salish. But, we don't want to anger them either and there are rumors of break ins up there. But, a nice little trail warm up to get into East there.

    Hopefully, we've learned a little from the Duthie issues....
    Does anyone know what the story is with coming in from the Snoqualmie Falls side? Is the gravel road off of Tokul rd still gated? Can you ride gun range back to the gate on your way out?

    I think ultimately Tokul has too much climbing for the duthie crowd. It may be popular with them for awhile, but soon they will miss the buff xc loops with 50' of climbing and berms at every corner...

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    mine does ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by ortedd View Post
    Paying for a pass does not entitle you to a parking spot, there is no where to park on handcock's land
    I'm not complaining about the parking. I parked half a mile past the lot just so I could Strava that stretch! I'm complaining that most (and I am slightly speculating) that more than half of yesterday's riders were without passes. But really now, does that matter? I mean, where's the enforcement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by <sL4yEr>RuLz View Post
    I'm complaining that most (and I am slightly speculating) that more than half of yesterday's riders were without passes. But really now, does that matter? I mean, where's the enforcement?
    I'm sure they'll make an appearance, now that you've raised awareness to the issue

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    Na, dude

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    I'm sure they'll make an appearance, now that you've raised awareness to the issue
    I know they're out there in some shape or form. But don't worry, I'll let you borrow mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtd View Post
    Does anyone know what the story is with coming in from the Snoqualmie Falls side? Is the gravel road off of Tokul rd still gated? Can you ride gun range back to the gate on your way out?

    I think ultimately Tokul has too much climbing for the duthie crowd. It may be popular with them for awhile, but soon they will miss the buff xc loops with 50' of climbing and berms at every corner...
    Yes, it's still gated and belongs to someone else other than Hancock. But, despite the gate and the fence, it seems like people are still using that entrance/exit. There are other ways in to the lower East area just a bit farther north on the SVT though.

    You'd be surprised how much of the Duthie crowd is there and will be there. Not too much climbing for the more seasoned crowd. In fact some do 2-4 laps up the hill each time. But, for the slackers and the new riders, yes, I'll agree.

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    A few weeks ago we ran into some "duthie" riders who wanted to tag along. They were new to T-East. We did two laps of flowtron and on the 2nd climb they were dying. Then we rode MidTown, then climbed all the way back up to do upper and lower Ivan. We waited a LONG time for them to get to the top. We always like to end with OGDH, but the 3 tag-along guys had enough climbing and called it a day. They had fun, but complained the entire time about all the climbing. I've talked to several people that will do Flowtron, then go to Ivan and be done.

    I actually enjoy the climbing there and think it makes the descents that much better.

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    I hate climbing, but as I get older, it is just a way to get another work out in, so I am appreciating the climbs more than I used to. I will say that when I first started riding Tokul about 5 years ago, I thought the climbs were brutal. Now, they seem pretty tame in comparison. Frequenting Tiger might have something to do with that.

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    What's also kinda funny is that people will lap the road climb at East over and over without concern and then complain about a little road connection over in West...

    Either way, it's gonna be busy which is a good thing and we'll all have to take that into concern in the way we did with the Duthie parking problems.

    Heck, Tigger will be having issues again this summer with all the cool new stuff there as well. But, these are good problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    What's also kinda funny is that people will lap the road climb at East over and over without concern and then complain about a little road connection over in West...
    We will find out Sunday if it is worth the climb at T-west!
    People dont mind climbs when there is a fun way back down. I dont see too many cars at Tiger in the winter even though you can ride all the logging roads years round...

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    I used to hate all the climbing out here with a passion when I first moved to the area, every ride we went on was just an ass kicker. Eventually though you start to find trails where the downhill is worth all the climbing, so I learned to just accept it. Zone out and just grind to the top knowing the best part is to come.

    After a couple years of doing this, lo and behold your legs are stonger and it's not so bad any more.

    Still not as much as going downhill though
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    So true. Can you imagine the FT3K/Ivan/etc. traffic if there was a lift up the face of east?

    Tarekith, you and Dawgman might want to tie in with Mr. Lynch's crew Sunday. I'm assuming Slop will be guiding for the goods across the GS from East.

    Still in snow season (Thank gawd I'm not in the Alpy line this morning...) but I may be able to get up and feed the Gnome before you all get out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    So true. Can you imagine the FT3K/Ivan/etc. traffic if there was a lift up the face of east?
    Or even, an independent "concessionaire" who could run an hourly weekend shuttle truck up the powerline climb. Similar to how many of the UK skills centers work....or the 'ol "huckwagon"

    Hancock could make a LOT of money! And I think it would solve for a lot of the liability concerns by working through a 3rd party. Lazy riders could still get 10-12 descents in in a single day.

    This is kind of what I was hoping for all along, and the terrain at east would be perfect for it.

    Not sure if we'll ever get there, and the climb is good exercise anyways.

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    Slop is giving us a tour. Sunday 8am, the parking area just past the big traffic circle in fall city.

    It is suppose to dry out this weekend, so hopefully it wont be too bad Sunday, but we ride no matter what!

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    Cool. If anyone knows it as well as me, it's Slop. He'll give you the long term plan too. Have fun!

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    I'll keep it in mind if I'm not working, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    Slop is giving us a tour. Sunday 8am, the parking area just past the big traffic circle in fall city.

    It is suppose to dry out this weekend, so hopefully it wont be too bad Sunday, but we ride no matter what!
    Yep, looking nice for Sunday. I'll be along, too, and looking forward to it. Been too long since I've gotten out.

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    Cool. If anyone knows it as well as me, it's Slop. He'll give you the long term plan too. Have fun!
    He should, he's certainly out there enough. I'm a bit surprised he hasn't built a little hobbit hole up there, but I'm not sure that Kathy would approve of that.

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    I think I'll be arriving with 3 others. We lost one guy who broke his right hand and left pinky on the "rehab" line at the Doof on Sunday.

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    Would love to meet up with you guys. I have soccer duty with the kids Sunday morning, but that is usually a good time for me, so next time. Also have a blown out rear hub and am waiting for some Chinese carbon wheels to be built and shipped. Out for the count until I get my new wheels or I can find a cheap replacement as a back up.

    Never been to West, so would like to learn more and also learn some of the newer trails on East that aren't on the map. I usually stick to FT3, Last Frontier, and OGDH (favorite trail). Looking forward to meeting you all soon.

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    Here's one of Thomas' many videos of West for a taste. Slop will be taking Lynch et al up this to get in (Was actually built as a climbing trail from the Monster/Bra area for the 2005 MR Ride out there.) and then down it on the way back out Sunday.

    Tokul West - Bobsled - YouTube

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    I don't think I've ever been *up* Bobsled. That should be interesting.

    The lower part of PR is gone, isn't it?

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    It's easier than you think.

    Yes, the entrance/exit to the SVT is blocked by the logging. Lower BP was left pretty wide open by the loggers as they said they would which is awesome though. Hoping they stay with that theme as they go up the hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agate View Post
    Yep, looking nice for Sunday. I'll be along, too, and looking forward to it. Been too long since I've gotten out.



    He should, he's certainly out there enough. I'm a bit surprised he hasn't built a little hobbit hole up there, but I'm not sure that Kathy would approve of that.
    Who's to say I haven't already; just me and the Beer Gnome under that stump

    Beaver Pond was clear last weekend except for one small area near the lowest skid rd. the problem is the skid roads are mud ugly right now from the trucks. However, if upper BP is still uncut than we can go up that way. Lower Pink Ribbon...they started cutting the drop into it and its toast but we will rebuild it after they're all done

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    Wouldn't surprise me.

    What about upper Pink Ribbon?

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    Upper PInk Ribbon is good and will get better...

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    It's just that getting to upper Pink Ribbon means you have to travel on a road for part of it, and they are being used for logging now and are (probably) a mess. I haven't been up since the 16th when I avoided the roads while they are actively there logging. Now that it's thawed and wet, I will probably avoid going up the roads entirely until they dry out again. I might go down them if I'm coming down to the top of PR. That isn't very likely now with the trails Poopy D and The Middle available.

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    T-East Tailhead mayhem

    I was last up in TWest on the 22nd. Me and another cleared off the little debris from lower BP trail to the messed up road landing.

    I'll be heading up there tomorrow to ride and see what Upper Pink Ribbon looks like.

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    Does West drain as nice as East does?

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    T-East Tailhead mayhem

    West does drain well. Fwiw, I've ridden up Bobsled lots and its only got a couple tricky bits.

    I want to cleanup some Pink Ribbon DH section so you all can go out that way for some fun ending. I'll let you know how far I get tomorrow.

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    Do any of you ride a SS at T-East or West? All this talk about Tokul makes me want to get out there again; it has been a few years since I last rode there. I primarily ride a SS at GR and Sawyer. Any of you have thoughts on riding a SS at Tokul?

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    Slop does occasionally during the winter. Don't think I personally know of anyone else that does.


    Thanks for getting out there, Mike. PR is definitely a fun way to end a ride out there.

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    I ride SS a lot out there in the winter. It's perfect for SS, with only a few climbs that require a push, and you can avoid those with slightly different routing.

    If you can SS that heinous climb on GR (heading S toward GR Drive), Tokul will be easy.

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    Juice, thanks. Sounds good. Yea, I ride GR from the Seattle side over to Duthie, so avoiding the climb back is not possible unless I take the road around. That's not going to happen. But you are right, parts of the climb back to GR Dr. are a major a$$ pain. I have considered moving from a 32/20 to a 32/21 because of GR, but the former is already compromise in other areas that I ride around here.

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    Like juice said. Tokul is a perfect ss winter riding spot. The road up to FT has the perfect one speed pitch. I get a kick out of trucking past spinning ninnies on their over sized squishy bikes.
    Only bummer is a broken toe has left me painfully out of ss shape.

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    You guys have a rough idea on how long you plan to ride for on Sunday? Definitely going to try and make it out there for a tour, just trying to reschedule some work so I can.
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    I'd guess we'll be back to the parking lot by 11, maybe noon at the latest, and that's if we do a loop of GS and FT. I'll let Slop chime in, though, since he probably already has a route planned out.

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    T-East Tailhead mayhem

    Agate is up to speed on all the trails I raked today. Lots logging near by but these trails are "safe" for the time being. Have fun on Sunday...wish I could join you.

    Cheers,
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    I'm going to have to assume that you meant Peter, Mike, since I'm fairly certain that we didn't talk yesterday.

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    Great. Hopefully if eveything works out still I'll be there at 8, copper Acura RSX with a black Rcky Mtn Slayer on the back. If not, work stuff came up over night (grumble) so please don't wait.
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    Nice! We will be in a Gray Forester with 3 or 4 bikes on it!

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