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    St. Edward State Park - Pipeline Trail Work Parties

    Great new for the those who ride St. Eds. Many of you are aware of the substantial erosion that the pipeline trail that has seen this year (it parallels Holmes Point Drive on the north side). The state park has given us the approval to re-route this trail. The end goal is to create two much more sustainable trails, one of which will be more interesting for hikers to ascend and decend...the other will be tailored to draw descending bike traffic away from the other trail

    We need your help in making this happen. The first 3 work parties are now scheduled and posted to the EMBA Calendar.

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    Just broke my hand so I know I can't make the first two, hopefully I'll be healed enough to make the third one!
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    Just signed up on Evergreen. I know I sure owe St. Ed's some trail work!

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    That trail would be perfect for some jumps! Oh wait....


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    Saw the layout plan. Looks really fun (seems every place needs their version of FT3K these days!) and maybe some step ups can be added before the curves. Nice parallel switchbacky climb heading back up to stay off the road too. The lazy coasters can probably figure out a way to shuttle it too. (Where there's a will, there's a way....) Hell, People shuttle Duthie/GR I guess.

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    Thank you, fluxcapacitor, for your leadership here. Looking forward to helping build that and riding it!

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    I mentioned that there are 3 work parties scheduled but only posted the link to the first one...thought I would make it easier to sign up for the other two as well.

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    Evergreen MTB Calendar **UPDATE - This one has been Cancelled (4/20).

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    Evergreen MTB Calendar **NEW (May 4th)

    @Fireswamp - you bet, glad to help and be a part of making trails better for all of us!
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    Just realized that the second work party (4/20) is scheduled for Easter Sunday. We are working to move it out to May 4th instead so we can get a decent turn out.

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    I'm in for the 27th. Looking forward to it!

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    Quick update. I just posted another work party for tomorrow on the EMBA calendar. I will be showing up at 9 and working until at least 2, but feel free to show up when you can!

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    Hopefully some of you have had the chance to get out and take a look at what we are doing. Its looking really great thanks to great crew last weekend.

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    great time today. really cool to be able to open a new section like that. thanks for the direction and vision, guys. looking forward to the next time i can make it out.
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    Yesterday was awesome! I learned a lot and will be helping again soon. Thanks to the organizers and everyone who came out, the new section is going to be sweet!

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    The thanks belongs to all of those that came out to help, you guys absolutely rocked it! This re-route is turning out really sweet and cant wait to open it up all the way.

    We have one more work party on the schedule right now (may 4th) but this week we will be filling out that calendar with a bunch more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluxcapacitor View Post
    The thanks belongs to all of those that came out to help, you guys absolutely rocked it! This re-route is turning out really sweet and cant wait to open it up all the way.
    Definitely kudos to the help but with out good leadership, I am just a mindless drone. You and Tom rocked it in the direction department making it so easy for us to do the work. To all of you, what a gas meeting you all; the true meaning of community. To be a part of something that will last.

    Plus, I even had time for a ride after. Can't be there next time but I will try to get back up soon. Sunday's are always the best for me.

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    Here we go guys - one more work party has now been posted. We are getting really close to opening this trail up completely. Once we do we can quickly move on to the next phase (which we have walked out and looks like it has potential to be the best trail in the park for bikes )

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    Cant wait to see everyone out there again, I have enjoyed working with each of you that has made it out!

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    I realize this is happening the same day as the Tiger work/BBQ/shuttle day (tough to compete with that!) but come rain or shine we want to get this portion of the trail finished up and could use all the help we can get.

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    i finally got a ride in the park and checked out the work from the last work party. the trail is looking great. it's going to be a fun addition to the park. sorry i can't make it this time. i was sorry to see the log cut out though, but i guess that was going to happen.

    any chance for another work party on may31 or june1? would be great if there was one on that saturday...
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    More work parties will be scheduled soon. As we wrap up phase I and roll into phase II, we are trying to coordinate walk-throughs and buy-offs with the park ranger. Once those are completed we will book out quite a few work parties. Right now I can't lead (or attend) them on Saturday but after June 7th I will try to get a few on the books.

    As I have mentioned to quite a few who have attended, short notice work parties are an option, and if I come up with some spare time I will post it up on this thread and all are welcome to join.

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    I look forward to working with you guys again. Looking forward to phase 2. I am exactly the opposite; I can't hardly ever get out on a Saturday. Funny how those things go. Going to be out there riding this Thursday morning before work with my mentor and hopefully a couple of other friends. Look forward to trying the bit that I worked on. Slim

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    thanks, flux. i'll look forward to getting out there with you guys and a shovel again soon. can't wait to see what phase ii is all aboot.
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    I live very close to ST. Edwards and I would be interested in joining in and helping out trail building. It's closer than Duthie and Paradise Valley for me.

    I havent really biked too much of St. Edwards yet so I dont really know what trails are very good for riding. Maybe I didn't explore to much I only rode it twice. I tried to stick to the perimeter trails because I didnt want to plow over a hiker being on the wrong trail.

    What trails at St.Edwards are the better ones to ride? This park has a lot of potential but most of the trails seem more cut out for hiking and not riding.


    *Edit* I see, its the pipeline trail. I joined the work party on Evergreen Web site. I am looking for a place to ride often thats super close, so I would be more than happy to join in the work party.

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    you can exhaust all the bike-allowed trails in st eds pretty quickly, but adding big finn's trails makes for a ride of decent length. full trail map of both here:
    http://your.kingcounty.gov/ftp/gis/w...l_brochure.pdf
    (though it doesn't clearly show all the trails or detail what are/aren't bike allowed, but i'll get you started)

    the full plan for big finn's improvements and revisions are here:
    Sept. 12: King County Parks approves new trails plan for Big Finn Hill Park

    it's pretty cool what's going to happen in these parks in the coming months.
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    For ongoing specific information regarding the Big Finn Hill side this page has the details, plus maps with future plans. Big Finn Hill Backcountry Trail in King County, Washington

    We're really hoping to segue from the St Eds stuff into work in Big Finn Hill, but things are moving a lot slower on that side so we're being as optimistic as possible to keep the momentum going. If you're interested in being on the email list for the Big Finn side, either send me a PM or look at the "Organizing Cmte Contacts" doc at the link above and you'll see the mtn biker contacts.

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    Bigcoug1 - welcome to the area. You will find that between St Eds, Bastyr, and BFH there is more than enough to keep you entertained for 1-2 hour rides. I look forward to meeting you at the work party and one of these fine warm days we will have to get out and give you a tour.

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    Went out and rode it today. The trails are in great shape right now. I must say though that I am sad that they cut out the tree; it was a good feature I thought.

    I ride the area about once every two weeks and I have yet to have a bad ride. I drive all the way out from the south end by Seatac Airport that is how much I like it. I really look forward to getting back out to help you but I just can't pass up a shuttle ride up Tiger this weekend. Now that is a grind up. Slim

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    I was out there yesterday from around 1-5 re-working the first switchback. Its really taking shape.
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    What a great crew we had out today! I would consider Phase I a huge success and aside from final shaping once its worn in a bit its DONE! Thanks to everyone that has helped along the way and I look forward to working with you again soon on Phase II.

    Looking down into the middle switchback
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    Our infamous trail gnome...we spotted one!
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    Ran the new trail tonite. Great job routing & building. Will be super fun to ride. Thanks to everyone that put time & effort into it.

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    Flux, you are going to need to put more lumber and impassable objects in those switch back corners as the will unfortunately get cut. The poor fern at the apex of the middle switchback won't make it through the summer.....

    Looks fun though! (Thumbs up!)

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    Borneo - we do have a lot more work to do to finish cleaning up and replanting. As for switchback cutting we installed a colony of mountain beavers (as pictured above) at each turn that create a labyrinth of swiss cheese like structure. People who tempt their fate cutting corners will either break an ankle or come face to face with an angry beaver. In all seriousness, you're right and we know, we have more work cleanup and finish work but at least the entire top to bottom re-route is functional.

    I am going to contact the ranger and hopefully have the green-light to flag phase II by next week.

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    Wow, way to knock it out! Great job.

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    Rode it this morning and it was SWEET! You can get moving pretty fast. Great job, I look forward to helping with phase 2.

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    Hit this Monday...it's awesome, in both directions. Thanks!!!
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    Going to be riding it tomorrow. I am really looking forward to it. And starting work on Phase II. Be sure to have some Sunday parties. Slim

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    I wanted to share a quick update for everyone that's put time in on this trail. The park ranger and I have been in contact and he is really pleased with how it's all coming along.

    "Great job on you and the crew, it is an amazing trail!...thank you so much"

    We are currently planning a time to get the final buy-off on phase I which sounds like a slam dunk...then its on to phase II (most likely kicking off in a few weeks).

    Borneo, Eerie, CharlieDog, Big B - So glad to hear positive reviews and thanks for the feedback!

    Slim - would love to hear how it rides when you get done (and you bet we will be having more Sunday work parties...lots of them).

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    It is a great trail. It is still a little soft so if you are prone to jumping off everything you can find, remember that; aim to the upside of the hill. I am not a jumper but my mentor is so he knows. I really like slow technical stuff so going down hill on those switchbacks are perfect in my opinion; nice and tight and if you get a little sketchy, you can just put a foot down. Going up; what a gas, a nice little work out for an old guy like me and rides really nice.

    The mountain beaver have been active so the trail is going to need a little ongoing work till they move out of there. Their holes are easy to miss and ride through. Yeah, it is one of my favorite rides. I might even go back out again next Thursday. Tuesday is Duthie. Slim

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    Update: Huge thanks to everyone who made phase I a huge success and put their time in. Other than some unfavorable sandy conditions in the switchbacks (which we will be addressing soon) everything looks great.

    TFitz, Kasperilio, and myself took an early Saturday morning walk with Ranger Mo and he had nothing but rave reviews of the work that was done with Phase I. We then moved into the valley and took a more detailed look at the scope of Phase II. There was but one thing he didn't readily approve (but did say maybe it could be incorporated in the future). At the end of the walk he said we are now approved to clear the corridor and pin flag the route!

    After spending countless hours in that gully (over the last few months) then running my ideas past Borneo, kasperilio, TFitz, and Shannon for a sanity check...I finally got out this morning and started hacking away at a corridor. A little more than half of the corridor has now been cleared. With sight lines opened up it beginning to become a reality...looking pretty sweet!

    Sorry, got side tracked...Once the corridor is completed we will pin it, then get Mo out for a final check (hopefully in the next two weeks). I am very confident that he will approve the final flagging. Once he does, we will get a string of work parties on the books and start moving dirt!

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    fluxcapacitor, considering Ranger Mo specifically rejected the phase II concept when I ran it by him after the first Pipeline washout, you've wrought a miracle by getting his support for this project. Looking forward to this, and the final fixes on phase I switchbacks.

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    I appreciate the kind words but I cant take credit for getting this pushed through on my own. You and I were able to craft a sustainable solution to the washout. Marry that with a tremendous level of trust you've earned with Mo and through the dedication of everyone that came out to make phase I happen so beautifully...we ALL had a hand in the earning of his support.

    You know I am looking forward to it, its like Christmas all year!

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    Do I need to say keep us posted? Slim

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    Phase 2 is now flagged and waiting for approval, we should be slinging dirt in a couple weeks at the latest!

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    Nice. If you're heading out during the week and need some help, let me know.
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    That is great news. Slim

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    Ok guys - here is the first of many to come for Phase II.

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    We are keeping the first few work parties small and we will do a couple during the week. Once we get going we will fill up the schedule with some dates on the weekend.

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    ah dang, i'm on baby duty that night, so i'll have to look forward to the next one. it's a couple more years until my littleman can be out there with a shovel helping us, and until he can use these trails as well.
    great timing on a weekdays though! hope more work parties end up around this time of day on weekdays.
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    Signed up. Was out there today, and the new trail is riding nice. Bit sandy at the bottom, but it keeps you on your toes. Great improvement though, and fun to ride.
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    We are officially cleared for take off! See below (email from the ranger)

    "...I actually walked the area today and really like it. I also understand there will be small changes because of the reasons you explained. I am ok with that. I say move forward and we can go from there.

    thank you for all your hard work, I know a lot of people will appreciate it, even if they don't know who specifically did the hard stuff."

    Phase II is legit and in less than a week, we break ground!

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    Like I said before, flux, you've wrought a miracle. St Ed's/Big Finn Hill will be a bit of a backwater compared with Duthie et al as the sport evolves, but it's just an absolutely essential incubator for beginner riders, and the relationships we have built with the land managers are so important for keeping and building on that. The fact that the ranger is willing to skip some of the review steps you laid out to get where we are now speaks volumes!

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    amen, tfitz. great work, flux.
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    Dont forget to thank your local park ranger next time you see him...Thank you MO!

    Back to trail talk - There will be two (seasonal) water crossings on this trail which means we will need at least 1 small bridge (possibly a second). We are in the works to source materials but if anyone has a source for split cedar decking PM me. One of the bridges will be around 6 feet in length and we would like it to be 4 feet wide...the other (if we do it) will be around 10 feet in length and also 4 feet wide. As a side note I have a concept of the second bridge that I would love to see and it is circulating in a select group. Once its vetted I will post pictures of the concept.

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    A little late on the update, but the first work party last week went well. We cleared a ton of trail and making good progress. Doesnt look like we are going to get a work party in this week because we are trying to get materials together to build the first bridge before we continue building down below.

    Stay tuned, we will be ramping back up after 4th of July weekend!

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    Another work party has been posted for tomorrow night (7/16).

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    Things are coming along really well. 90% of the trail has been cleared of organics and the top few corners have been rough shaped. Unfortunately the dry weather has us working with moon dust. We do have a rain barrel set up on site that we intend to fill with another rain barrel loaded in a truck. Although its not ideal, its what we have to work with.

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    "Another work party has been posted for tomorrow night (7/16)."

    Good to know, I'm going to try to be there. Parenthood allowing

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    Working swing shift sure makes it tough to get out there to help during the week. I am looking forward to getting back out there to check it out soon. Now, if you ever have a work party on a Sunday......

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    Its been a while since we've had a work party, but that doesn't mean we are not working. Not a sure thing yet and I will post it here, but I would like to have another work party next week. In the meantime, enjoy a few pictures of the recent updates.
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    i've checked out this phase 2 flowtronish trail looks awesome. so glad to see stuff like this getting made.

    looks like they're sort of a hip jump heading into one turn. love that. moar that.

    looking forward to upcoming work parties if i can make them. thanks, flux!
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    Sweet!

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    Good Stuff! Thanks so much Man. Slim

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    Here we go. I just posted another work party for this coming Wednesday, August 13th.

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    sorry SlimL, weekends are tough during the summer but rest assured that we will have a few weekend work parties to get this trail buffed out.

    I look forward to seeing everyone that can make it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluxcapacitor View Post
    sorry SlimL, weekends are tough during the summer but rest assured that we will have a few weekend work parties to get this trail buffed out.

    I look forward to seeing everyone that can make it!
    That's OK my friends just as long as you don't hold it against me when I come out to ride. I will make it up to you all by doing some work on Towers of Power. Then it will be clear to ride if you ever make it down this way.
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    Hey, it was nice working on the trail on Wednesday. Looking forward to more work parties Cheers!~

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    Thought I would post a quick update.

    There have been a few complaints surrounding phase II but these were addressed at the Friends of St Eds meeting last night with Ranger Mo present. Not only is Mo 100% behind us (as he has been all along) the Friends of group is elated with the concept and progress. The complainers are known entities and have zero impact on our goal (however, please be respectful to ALL users...dont know why i felt compelled to write that since everyone here is anyway).

    The hot and sunny weather has finally given way to the occasional rain and for those of you who have been on the trail you know what a blessing this is. It has settled very nicely and is riding pretty well now. There are still a lot of places that are well protected from the rains and have yet to pack out, but we will address those areas.

    There is still a lot of work to do on Phase II and I will be posting a work party soon. Stay tuned and hope to see quite a few of you out there!

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    TREE DOWN. I figure this is the best place to post this. FYI. Riding St. Ed's last night and stopped by about a 7-10" thick tree over a trail. I do not have a saw for this and it's in the park.

    It's about 1/2 down the trail that is a nice downhill heading towards the ravine before the trail splits and you can go up to either side of the ravine. Tree really blends into the trail in twilight. The ravine is the one close to the road right after crossing the street at the top of the hill with the red light.

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    Got it pin-pointed and reported to Ranger Mo. Also told him about it last evening and he said he'd get to it asap.

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    Thank you to bavgumbo and TFitz for getting that taken care of!

    Possible short notice work party this weekend (Sat 10/18 or Sun 10/19). Dont have the details yet but if you are interested stay tuned here as well as EMBA calendar. Once I get it worked out I will post it up. Basically we want to take advantage of this wetter weather and get a few more of the turns dialed in.

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    Who is up to fling some dirt this coming Sunday (11/16) after the Hawks game, say 1:00 pm?

    The rains have finally hit and things have settled in very nicely. We still have a ton of work to do to finish this up, but we can certainly put a good size dent in it this weekend. A couple of us are planning to do some work no matter what, but it would be awesome to see a good turn out.

    I will share the link to the the Evergreen calendar here once I have the work party details posted.

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    Ok everyone, here is the link to the Evergreen calendar posting. Please sign up so I can get a good idea of how many people we will have and make a plan for what we can accomplish!

    https://www.evergreenmtb.org/calenda...eds-work-party

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    dang it. can't make another one. saturday is my hall pass day this weekend. i'll try to stop by with my littleman and see the good work you guys are doing.
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    Aw Man, I can't make it either. This is the Model Train Show at the Puyallup and I take my nephews every year. Great place to buy Christmas presents for them which is trickier now that they are getting older. Sorry Man. Next time. Slim
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    I was wrong about other commitments, so I'm in.

    Riding Saturday, throwing dirt Sunday, good weekend.
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    work on the 2tonsofun corner

    oh, better take a pic before digging gets to far
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    axe
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    tree toppled and placed for berm backing
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    berm coming along
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    incredible improvement. fun day digging.
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    Yes! Thank you guys! Will try to make the next one

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    WARNING! I inadvertently left a pile of retrieved pin flags just above the log crib. They're off to the right as you approach the crib and I think they're out of the way but take care.

    Edit/update: heading over now to get them picked up. Back to your regularly scheduled programing.
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    you boys sure know how to make hard work seem easy. tons of fun just became that much more fun! good job and thanks for you help.

    on another note, we opened up the entrance to the trail as well as armored a couple of the (rain event) stream crossings. this trail is really shaping up to be a sweet! thanks again to all of those who helped out, i look forward to riding it soon!
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    We're in the middle of selling our house so I couldnt make it this weekend unfortunately. Headed out there this morning though, it looks and rides really, really nice. Especially when frozen

    Thanks everyone!
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    Who's ready to get back to work on this trail? We recently had a load of 1-2 man rocks delivered that we intend to armor the crossings with and it needs some final polish work. It weathered really well over the winter and has easily become my favorite trail in the St Eds/Finn Hill network thanks to all of you for your efforts and hard work.

    A few of us have mentioned doing a session/work party...where we ride the heck out of it and tweak it as needed. Anyone interested in doing this sometime this month? If we get enough interest, I will post it to the Evergreen Calendar.

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    yeah, man. lets go.

    and lets build 10 more trails like this one. it's flowing pretty good right now. it's gotta be my favorite trail in both finn and steds right now.
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    Although I agree with building 10 more like it, that's a bit ambitious. Lets get this one in the bag and prove to the ranger that we have good ideas and ability to follow through with implementing them. If all goes well (and so far he has been raving about this project) we can certainly ask for more projects...I can think of a few I would like to do.

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    I went for a ride at St Ed's yesterday for the first time in a couple years. On my first run on the new trail I ran into the builders working on the trail. After stopping to say thanks, I ended up helping them build for a couple hours.

    What a great group of guys! The builders deserve a big thanks for the 100+ hours they've spent building the trail. If you've never helped dig you should give it a try.

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    It was great to meet you and we always appreciate when riders stop to help build! Things are moving along nicely and I think next week we are going to have a session party...once i have some details, i will post them up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmk166 View Post
    I went for a ride at St Ed's yesterday for the first time in a couple years. On my first run on the new trail I ran into the builders working on the trail. After stopping to say thanks, I ended up helping them build for a couple hours.

    What a great group of guys! The builders deserve a big thanks for the 100+ hours they've spent building the trail. If you've never helped dig you should give it a try.

    I ran into Marc the day before on the trail. Very nice and had a good conversation with him about the park and hopeful future plans for it. I am also looking forward to getting out and helping them out. That was my first time on that trail and I have to say that you guy's all did a great job. I will try my very best to make a few work parties. I dont know much about trail building but I know how a shovel works and how to clear brush. Thanks for the effort and hard work you all put in.

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    In lieu of a work party next week...lets ride it!

    For those who havent ridden it come check it out. For those who havent ridden it lately, its in great shape, join us! For those who ride it all the time, come join the fun. The plan is to just ride the heck out of it and get feedback on how we need to tune it up to be the best trail possible.

    Next Wednesday (3/25) from around 5:30 until its dark. Hope to see lots of you out there!

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    Resurrecting an old thread concerning a new(ish) trail.

    By now plenty people should have had the chance to ride this thing. Flame it, praise it, lets hear some feedback what ever it might be. There is plenty more work to do on this trail, but before we dive back into it, lets hear what you have to say about making it the best trail it can be.

    Only reviews I ever hear are people giggling like little girls when they ride it, or old people whining about it (only because they've chosen not to ride a bike and they can see how much fun the rest of us are having).

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    My only complaint would be it needs to go all the way down to the lake!!!
    Great work!!!!

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    It's a fun trail. It actually reminds me of smaller version of Ryans line. Overall the trail is nice. The only thing I wish was different about it would be that there would be a berm coming down the first section of it from the top to around that corner. I had a buddy (non MTB rider) ride it with me and he felt a little sketchy about it. I have no problems with it but maybe a little more berm would make it flow a little smoother and not make the noobs feel exposed.

    Anyone who complains about it has too much time on their hands. It's a pretty fun trail and yes, I wish it was longer too

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    I can't imagine anyone really thinking the old rutted out straightaway was preferable to what you guys built. Well done and thanks!

    Are there any plans to attack the muddy mess at the bottom of the ravine? I'm not even sure what can be done about it in terms of drainage.
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    I've been fretting about this for years, to no constructive conclusion. I think rerouting some segments would help. Fixing substandard drainage control on both sides of Juanita Drive would help. Raising and armoring some short segments would help. But I don't see a grand, final resolution. Since there's no clay down there, and since a couple muddy/rooty turns are among my favorite wet season challenges, I'd say we should move cautiously. And, don't let King County Parks' so-called "backcountry" trail crew anywhere near; luckily this area is all state park or Bastyr, whose managers are more savvy stewards.

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    Ok, I'll bite. I've only ridden the trail a couple times. Next time I ride it I'll try to remember what I'm thinking. I do remember thinking a couple things... It's hard to ride the trail like I envision. I'd like to carry speed thru the apex of the turns. The turns higher up the hill I cannot do this. The turn lower on the trail which I believe is after the drop to flat you end up with too much speed.

    Another thing is it feels like a cool trail to no where. What do people do when they get to the bottom? Ride up the other new trail, down the creek bed trail then up the switch-back trail, or further up the creek-bed trail all the way to the bridge near the St Park entrance?

    As far as the creek-bed trail I'm in favor a finding a solution. I ride this area quite a bit in the winter. It's a buzz kill to be riding somewhat damp trails then end up faced with riding up a creek.

    Also, my kids love running down the Ryan's Line like trail.

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    Thanks guys, all good input. As for the very top "berm" thats a no go unfortunately because we want slower speeds there since it really is for bikes and peds going both directions (trust me, I wanted it bigger as well, but it just cant happen there).

    All the way to the lake...trust me, already thought of that and dont rule it out just yet. I've poked around in the woods enough and have a line picked out...just need to finish up what we started so far.

    As for fixing the sometimes wet, sometimes flooded condition of the valley floor, I have a solution in mind. Once we finish up with the current work, I plan to compile a lot of these comments to take to the ranger and petition for more work starting with a re-route of the valley floor trail (which can be done such that it is always dry and not flooded or muddy).

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    The St Edward State Park "Classification and Management Plan" (CAMP) adopted by the commission in 07 provides for a bike-ped link from the ravine down to the lake, so we can have a loop with the Seminary Trail. During the public process we scoped out the ground from the shoreline up to the water tower; lots of room for a great trail. It gets very tricky between the water tower and Holmes Pt Drive, and going along a lot of the toe of the very steep slope to the Bastyr campus from the water tower up to the bottom of the pipeline trail. But the big obstruction is City of Kenmore, not State Parks. For 2 years I tried to get to get the city to tell me what they wanted (besides permit fees) but got nowhere. If the legislative session ever ends I'm supposed to have a sit-down with councilmember Herbig about the park, so maybe we can get this off bottom-dead-center.

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    It sounds like there's some exciting stuff in the pipeline (ha)! Especially this lake trail. Thanks all for your hard work.

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    I've been to St. Ed's a couple times but am not good at remembering the trails. Who can tell me where this pipeline trail starts? I usually park at QFC and swing into the woods to the right.

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    It starts right about there. If you're going in across the street from the gas station and turning right into the woods, I think its your first left.

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    I moved to the Finn Hill area last year so I've been riding St Eds/BFH more often. Gotta say that it's far better that what I remember. That Ryans-like trail is pretty fun.

    I'd be interested in helping out with trail building/maintenance. Is there another thread/site where those are announced?

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    Any time there is a work party (formal) I post them on the Evergreen Mountain Bike Alliance calendar, then post a copy of the link on this thread. Now that you have responded to it (make sure you stay subscribed to it) you will get notifications when people post here (like work parties).

    There are also work parties happening in the Finn Hill side of the park. Those will also be listed on the Evergreen calendar and linked on the "finn hill work party" thread in MTBR. If you are interested in being notified directly, PM me and i can add you to a "bike friends of big finn hill group" (email distribution). I send emails to keep those interested in the park up to date with what is happening with the finn hill trail plan and its progress.

    Welcome to the area!

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    Thanks. I'll keep an eye on this thread and the Evergreen events calendar.

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    Okay so please don't take this the wrong way. I am just asking a question for my own curiosity. Why was the Trail filled in with logs all the way to the bottom. The one next to the pipeline trail. I get that you don't want people to ride it because it intersects with the trail at the bottom but at the top it's a perfectly good shortcut to walk up

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    Not taken the wrong way at all, and appreciate the candidness.

    The intent was to keep that portion of trail (original valley floor fall line trail) open for access during work parties such as moving wheel barrows, materials, etc. Although it makes it a little tougher to get equipment down below for work and was done a little sooner than expected, it was part of the plan. Eventually, we will put more work into closing it down properly.

    Part of how we were able to sell this trail to the park ranger is that we wanted to mitigate the erosion caused by having a fall line trail. Also, we just dont want foot traffic near that flow line.

    In a perfect world we wouldnt need a walk up trail or a short cut, we would have ample trails like this to keep us entertained for hours on end. We dont have a park like that unfortunately, but we do have at least one new section that is unlike anything else in the park.

    Thanks again for the feedback and your comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluxcapacitor View Post
    Not taken the wrong way at all, and appreciate the candidness.

    The intent was to keep that portion of trail (original valley floor fall line trail) open for access during work parties such as moving wheel barrows, materials, etc. Although it makes it a little tougher to get equipment down below for work and was done a little sooner than expected, it was part of the plan. Eventually, we will put more work into closing it down properly.

    Part of how we were able to sell this trail to the park ranger is that we wanted to mitigate the erosion caused by having a fall line trail. Also, we just dont want foot traffic near that flow line.

    In a perfect world we wouldnt need a walk up trail or a short cut, we would have ample trails like this to keep us entertained for hours on end. We dont have a park like that unfortunately, but we do have at least one new section that is unlike anything else in the park.

    Thanks again for the feedback and your comments.
    Gotcha dude, thanks for answering. You guy's do great work. Thank you for what you do.

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