• 11-27-2012
    mwestra2
    Mt bikers apparently satisfied with trail access in WA ??!!
    Is that it? Dozens of comments from the moto and equestrian communities. Many comments from the hiking community and from the "keep everyone out except hikers" crowd. And only a few comments from Mt Bikers????

    The RCO is major source of funding for new trails and trail maintenance projects and is going to use this data. It's time to take a couple minutes and comment here:

    WA SCORP Town Hall

    Then email the link to all of your friends and ask them to do the same.

    Some background in case this is the first time you've heard of these townhall surveys...

    The state's outdoor recreation strategic plan, called the State Comprehensive Outdoor Recreation Plan (SCORP), needs to be updated every 5 years to maintain our ability to receive federal funding from the Land and Water Conservation Fund. RCO uses these federal dollars for grants to local communities to build parks and trails, and conserve wildlife habitat. The SCORP addresses the future recreation needs of our residents and helps guide decisions about what projects to fund. Your input is crucial to understanding what's important to include in the plan.

    Dave, EBextreme, Juice and I have requested your participation on MTBR. Evergreen and I have blasted it on FB. EB and I posted on the BBTC Yahoo thingy. And still only a couple comments!!!!??? Thousands of acres and thousands of feet of vert are open for new trail planning in just the Raging River alone. Then there is the rest of the DNR's Snoqualmie Corridor (Mitchell Hill, Echo Glenn, Middle Fork), Ollalie State Park, South Fork Snoq expansion, Reiter, more trails on Tiger. That's a real opportunity and it's just a small part of the state. But nothing will happen unless the RCO hears from us.

    Take 2 minutes and comment here:

    WA SCORP Town Hall

    Then tell all of your friends!!

  • 11-27-2012
    blcman
    Satisfied..never!
    Thanks for posting here Mike, as I don't do Facebook.

    Comment left!
  • 11-27-2012
    ebxtreme
    Furthermore, opportunities in Whatcom and Skagit County include:

    Lake Whatcom Reconveyance (if this passes), Chuckanut, Blanchard, North Fork and maybe even dough for Galby.

    Seriously, people.....dozens of comments by equestrians, hikers and ORV/Moto groups and only a few by mt. bikers. Are we really that small of a user group????

    Take 5 minutes.
    EB
  • 11-27-2012
    ebxtreme
    Thanks to those who've chimed in....even if they're old-school, curmudgeons! ;) Keep 'em coming folks.

    BTW, I tried to add a reply to the comment by a certain, well-known mt. bike hater and the moderator told me my (very civil) comment wasn't appropriate because it was going after a person, not the issue at hand. Aaaanyway.....
  • 11-27-2012
    Mookie
    Thanks for posting this. Constructive comments given!! There's never enough trails, daggumit.
  • 11-27-2012
    nasai
    Done.
  • 11-27-2012
    sgsrider
    EB, we aren't that small....I just doubt w/o guys like mike, we would have known. thanks, mike!
  • 11-27-2012
    drivinjoe
    Done. Thanks for the heads up.
  • 11-28-2012
    mwestra2
    Big boost of MTB comments yesterday. Thanks all! And thanks to Dave and Eric for first bringing the SCORP survey to light.
  • 11-28-2012
    stempson@mac.com
    did it
    Done!
  • 11-28-2012
    Navigator
    Done
  • 11-28-2012
    Jimba
    Done and I think mnt bikers are the majority on replies now.

    :thumbsup:
  • 11-28-2012
    Dave_schuldt
    Keep an eye on the WTA site for stuff like this, they're really on top of it.
  • 11-28-2012
    Eerie
    Yeah, I learned a lot by reading that 1994 dissertation on the evils of mountain biking posted by that mike v guy. It's pretty cool to get to read comments from a wide range of people. While there seem to be very few ORV posters I really have to agree with them. It's a shame their available places to ride and amount of trails have diminished as much as they have.
  • 11-28-2012
    wavemaster
    Done! I spent more time than I planned composing my comment but hopefully it helps!
  • 11-28-2012
    Dave_schuldt
    Done
  • 11-29-2012
    jojotherider
    for some reason I didn't see this on FB and I haven't been in this section of mtbr in a few days.

    submitted my comment.
  • 11-29-2012
    dirt pirate
    Thanks Mike for staying on top of the issues and reminding us of our responsibility to the sport we love. Without our input we would be left with no where to ride.
  • 11-29-2012
    jalm111
    Posted. Don't check here as often in the winter...
  • 12-02-2012
    CombiTool140
    Posted comment. I have to say though most comments seem to be by mountain bikers not the opposite. This is good and we are not complaining! Maybe things changed over time.
  • 12-02-2012
    mwestra2
    Huge thanks again everybody. Lots of great support and great arguments for more MTB trails now. I was getting worried there for the first week of the survey :).
  • 12-03-2012
    Mookie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mwestra2 View Post
    Huge thanks again everybody. Lots of great support and great arguments for more MTB trails now. I was getting worried there for the first week of the survey :).

    We must have been out riding our bikes or something:)
  • 12-05-2012
    Mookie
    I noticed that the final comments for the SCORP survey just came out. It certainly looked like the mtn bikes made a good showing. I noticed that our old friend Mike Vandeman weighed in on the subject. I'm not posting his comments here because he doesn't need any more publicity but he's on page 80 of the report if you're interested. It's the same old same old.
  • 12-05-2012
    mwestra2
    New set of questions are up. Comment Online « WA SCORP Town Hall Hmmmmm...

    New research shows that for adults (18 and over) in Washington, between 2006 and 2012,

    • Nature-based recreation activities, such as backpacking, primitive camping, showshoeing, horseback riding, and climbing generally are increasing while


    • Activities that depend on built facilities, such as soccer, baseball, rollerblading, football, and boat camping generally are decreasing.


    What do you think the reasons are?
  • 12-05-2012
    slop
    MV has a female groupie from Marin county who also posts his message. Glad Washingtonians are more sensible.
  • 12-05-2012
    slop
    Okay, I'll dive in....

    1. No Mountain biking mentioned.
    2. Boat camping...whaa?
    3. Would like to see actual numbers. I see plenty of adults playing soccer at the local field in Bellevue. And many of these folks are immigrant types whose numbers are increasing.

    So, in a way I call bogus! OTOH, for adult middle class white folks, I'm guessing we are becoming more solo types and less team folks.
  • 12-05-2012
    verslowrdr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slop View Post
    ...1. No Mountain biking mentioned.
    2. Boat camping...whaa?
    3. Would like to see actual numbers. I see plenty of adults playing soccer at the local field in Bellevue. And many of these folks are immigrant types whose numbers are increasing.

    So, in a way I call bogus! OTOH, for adult middle class white folks, I'm guessing we are becoming more solo types and less team folks.

    Right with ya on #1 & #2. I would add that it's strange to hear horseback riding being a growth direction... frankly I think they have the same primary issue as boats, they cost lotsa money and fewer people are going to be able to afford it as a pastime.

    #3: I would agree there's a lot of latinos et al kicking a ball around down in Yakima on any given weekend. But I can't even imagine trying to schedule team sport practices and games around everyone's work and school schedules- and my daughter isn't even old enough to have her own team sport stuff going on yet.

    Activities where you just grab some gear and go whether anyone else shows up or not is just waaaaaaay easier logistically.
  • 12-06-2012
    mwestra2
    The data seems questionable to me, too. So I checked some of the survey results...

    I have WA SCORP survey data from 2002, 2006 & 2012. "Bicycle riding" has gone up each year: 21% to 30.9 to 36.9. So has "equestrian activities": 3% to 4.3 to 7.7. But on a national level, according to the Outdoor Industry Association, biking has been relatively flat vs equestrian activity has gone down. Team sports have gone down at the national level as well.

    Here are some links to data:
    Recreation - Recreation Trends - Washington State Recreation and Conservation Office
    http://www.rco.wa.gov/documents/rec_...P_Oct_2002.pdf
    Research - Outdoor Participation - Outdoor Recreation Participation Report 2012 - Outdoor Industry Association

    I have a 10 Jacobyte file with the 2012 WA SCORP results, but can't find it online.
  • 02-07-2013
    mwestra2
    Last chance to SCORP -- final survey questions just posted
    WA MOutdoor Recreation Survey final questions just posted:

    WA SCORP Town Hall.

    Please take a minute or ten and fill out the survey. This is our last chance to be heard on this round.


    a. What is it that you would most like to see happen with outdoor recreation in Washington in the future (i.e., what is the desired future condition you would like to see)?

    b. What is it that you would not like to see happen with outdoor recreation in Washington’s future?