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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Issaquah Mountain Bike Task Force

    Last October, the city of Issaquah formally formed a Mountain Bike Task Force under the guidance of the Issaquah City Council. The purpose of the task force is to advise the City in the stated objective: “Continue to work toward the addition of a mountain bike park in Issaquah and connecting trails to regional mountain bike trails.”

    The task force consists of nearly a dozen members, of various backgrounds and interest/experience in mountain biking.

    This task force meets monthly, on the last Monday of every month, at 5:00pm through 6:30pm at the Issaquah Trails Center House, on 100 Bush, Issaquah. The task force is temporary and expected to provide a final deliverable by end of the summer. The meetings are open to the public, and every meeting begins with time allotted to public input.

    To date the task force has been focusing on organizational structure and information gathering (November & December meetings did not take place due to holidays and weather, so there have really only been 2 productive meetings).

    I encourage anyone interested in providing public comment or just listening in, to attend.
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    Hey BP, thanks for doing this! I've got an idea or two rattling around in my skull, but won't be able to attend any meetings. Could you give me a call or drop me an email? I don't have your number. justin (at) vanderpol.org.

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    Small world stuff. I see Wesselman is on there too.... We got a snowy tour out east of my place a while back.

    Good luck with all that's going on.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Evergreen Board Member to present at April meeting

    Hi All,

    Carolyn Hope will be the guest speaker presenting to the Issaquah Mountain Bike Task Force at the next (April) meeting. The meeting is scheduled for Monday, 4/25 at 5pm at the Issaquah Trails Center House in Issaquah, at 100 Bush.

    Carolyn is the Senior Parks Planner for the City of Redmond, and also sits on the Board of Directors for Evergreen Mountain Bike Alliance.

    These meetings are open to the public and there is an opportunity for public input - or just come and listen!

    Again, the purpose of the Task Force is to make recommendations to the City Council about new biking opportunities - such as trails or skills parks - within Issaquah.

    Although not required, I would appreciate it if you drop me a note (PM) letting me know if you're thinking about coming, so I can get a sense of how full the room will be.
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    Survey underway at Duthie Hill, Saturday 4/22

    Hey All,

    There will be a couple TF guys polling riders tomorrow about riding interests. This information is intended to help clarify Issaquah's plans to expand mountain biking opportunities. If you have a minute, please give these guys your thoughts on the questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1de
    Hey All,

    There will be a couple TF guys polling riders tomorrow about riding interests. This information is intended to help clarify Issaquah's plans to expand mountain biking opportunities. If you have a minute, please give these guys your thoughts on the questions.

    Thanks,
    I talked to one of your folks doing a survey while on the trail a few weeks ago. The riding in Issaquah is already very good and it can be so much better. More trails, bigger/more connected trail networks, more riding.... Keep up the good work all y'all.

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    IMBTF meeting Monday, May 23rd, 5:00pm - DNR in attendance

    The Recreation Manager for DNR, Snoqualmie Unit will be on hand to answer some questions from the TF about East Tiger Mountain trails. Meetings are open to the public. Location is the Issaquah Trails Center House, 100 Bush, Issaquah.
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    Open up Squak Mountain to mountain bikers!

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    I'd like to attend, but wouldnt make it till 6pm.

    I would like to speak up for making the new east tiger trails as flowy, and "all mountain" Style, technically challenging as possible. I would like to be assured that the plan is not to build more buff, wide, straight and flat bi-directional multi-use trails, like the Preston or grand ridge. Those are great trails, but we need something more bike specific (and realistically, it's going to see %98 mountain bike use and probably be built using volunteer labor by mountain bikers.) I want to hear that the DNR acknowledges the incredibly high demand for long, technically challenging descents, which is what currently fuels illegal building and poaching. I hope there is an opportunity at tiger, to provide a legitimate, controlled place for this kind of riding and building.
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    Anyone who made the IMTBF meeting want to provide a summary? I've been out of town the last two weeks and could not make it.

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    Summary for 5/23

    Yes, here is a summary of the meeting:

    • No public input...
    • Sam Jarrett from DNR (Snoqualmie Unit, includes Tiger Mountain) presented and answered questions from the TF members about Tiger in particular and DNR/NRCA/trail creation in general.
    • Preston RR trail (Tiger) had 60,000 user visits last year per IR counter. Trailhead had 150,000 user visits during 6 month season.
    • The original three Tiger trails open to bikes (Preston, Iverson, NW Timber) were selected for bike use in 1986 rec plan based on the assumption that since they were RR grades, they would be good choices.
    • Plan to build a stacked loop network for bikes at Tiger.
    • New East Tiger Summit trail is in design phase now, will add 500' vert and Evergreen is involved in the design.
    • The entire north end of Tiger is NRCA. There is supposed to be a 5 year review cycle but that apparently has not yet happened, so could be done any time.
    • Typically NRCA excludes mountain bikes and equestrian use but there are exceptions.
    • We discussed options for connecting Issaquah and/or Preston into the E Tiger mountain bike trails via singletrack, what would be involved, challenges.
    • DNR adopted FS/IMBA standards for MTB trail design.


    Other things that happened at the meeting:

    • Decision to sunset the survey and mapping subteams. Mapping data collection is done, and the survey taking is almost complete (there is a phone survey portion in progress). Interesting notes on survey data so far:
      • Beginner/kids areas scored unexpectedly low as far as interest in skills parks goes
      • More XC mileage scored unexpectedly high
      • Duthie Field survey invovled about 150 people in two hours on 4/23, and about 1/2 of them came in the south entrance (Grand Ridge). Surprise! The 150 we were able to talk to represented about 80% of those that rode by; most of the missed riders were due to survey takers being tied up with somebody. Only a handful said "no thanks".
      • King County has a trail counter at the north (boardwalk) entrance. About 2500 riders for March, and about 1900 riders for the first two weeks of April. These numbers speak volumes. Especially given the bullet above about the south entrance...
    • Plan to form new subteams for skills park input, XC/connector trail opportunities, and trail application process.
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    Great summary! Thanks for carrying the water on this.

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    Thanks, good to know.

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    thanks for the summary.

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    [*] Plan to build a stacked loop network for bikes at Tiger.

    Could I ask you to elaborate on this? Does "stacked" just mean "full" or something specific that I don't understand?

    Tiger has oh so much potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dromond View Post
    Could I ask you to elaborate on this? Does "stacked" just mean "full" or something specific that I don't understand?
    A stacked loop is one way to design part or all of a trail network. Imagine having several loops on top of each other that are interconnected.

    They offer a variety in length and difficulty. For instance, the loops that are further away from a trail head can be more difficult while the ones closer are easier in skill level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme View Post
    A stacked loop is one way to design part or all of a trail network. Imagine having several loops on top of each other that are interconnected.

    They offer a variety in length and difficulty. For instance, the loops that are further away from a trail head can be more difficult while the ones closer are easier in skill level.
    All is now clear.

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    Summary for 6/27

    • Plan is to wrap up the Task Force, next month at the earliest. This includes finishing the document of recommendations that will be presented to the City Council.
    • Discussed the June IMBA newsletter, information on the economic vitality impacts of mountain biking (subject was Jackson Hole).
    • Bike Park at Issaquah Highlands is expected to be a given and potentially may be transferred to King County Parks. It's a very small, generally flat, open area under the power lines. Planning on providing some recommendations for development.
    • Discussions on a new process for trail proposal, approval, and implementation for the City of Issaquah. Sticky points are: environmental impacts, and maintenance agreements. Discussions about whether such a process is warranted, given the number of preexisting trails created without it. Discussed reusing the IMBA Trail Solutions guidelines for new trail process.
    • Discussions about separate bike/pedestrian trail from end of Sunset Way to railroad grade, and signage.
    • Canned the idea of doing a phone survey; too impractical, too little data. Looking to add a man-on-the-stree survey instead (less targeted than the Duthie Hill field survey).
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    Very cool. Thanks for bringing the updates.

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    Meeting tonight, gearing up for the end

    Hey all,

    The agenda hasn't been sent out yet, but I'm pretty sure we're going to be spending the bulk of the time reviewing and consensus-building on the document that we've been putting together for the final deliverable. I think next month will be our final meeting; if you have public input, now is really the time to put it out there...
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    There will be another meeting tonight, 5:00pm

    Same location: 100 Bush, Issaquah (Issaquah Trails Center House).
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    Latest Update: Task Force drawing to a close

    Hey All,

    A lot has been going on with the task force over the last few months. The original objective was to deliver a document to the City of Issaquah, that provided recommendations on how to “Continue to work toward the addition of a mountain bike park in Issaquah and connecting trails to regional mountain bike trails.” Such a document now exists, and is scheduled to be presented to the Parks Board this month. I believe this presentation will conclude the task force.

    The document was being hosted publicly via Google docs while it was being created. It has now been moved to Word for formatting/editing. I will post a link to the electronic copy when it is made available online again.

    Before getting into the details of what's in the document, here are a few subjective observations - read carefully: my opinions only - from my time on the task force:

    There were few easy or unanimous decisions reached in this group. Although a large portion of the dozen or so task force members were mountain bike advocates, the composition of the team was balanced out by a few people who I would describe as "definitely not mountain bike advocates". For example, the Issaquah Environmental Council and Issaquah Alps Trails Club were well represented, and my experience at the table was that some of these individuals have, at best, apathy for mountain biking in general, and at worst, misconceptions and mistrust that stymies the growth of our sport in this area. I'm throwing this out there not as a call to polarize, but rather as a call to see reality for what it is, and consider the opportunity here to try to change some of those perceptions for the better. Worst-case, haters gonna hate and there's nothing you can do about it except take the higher road. Taking the high road doesn't guarantee success, but taking the low road pretty much guarantees failure.

    Also, the Issaquah Alps Trails Club president himself was present at every single meeting from start to finish, despite not actually being a member of the task force. That shows a level of interest and commitment that is worth being aware of.

    Here's roughly what's in the document:

    • Survey data - both phone and what we gathered on-site at Duthie - showing statistics that support and guide direction on building more trails and skills parks.
    • Design concepts and recommendations regarding the development of a bike park in the Issaquah Highlands Central Park area (connected to Duthie via Grand Ridge). Thanks to Evergreen and Westra in particular for this.
    • Possibile ways Park Pointe property could be used for mountain biking - stiff opposition on this one, and no recommendations - just ideas.
    • Recommendations on a number of desirable connector trails and trailhead enhancements in the area, that would allow for more riding destination-to-destination without having to drive/park.
    • A process that the City could use to evaluate proposals for more mountain bike trails in the area.
    • Some recommendations on mitigating user-conflict on multi-use/shared-use trails.
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    Yo!

    Bryan, nice to meet you (on the phone..) the other day. I can't wait to be a part of the positive outcomes and actions that I know will come from the hard work of all the people involved.

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    More local press on this

    Article in the Issaquah | Sammamish Reporter.
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Presentation scheduled for 10/24

    Hello All,

    Even though the document is not posted officially on the City's website yet, it is already being passed around between interested parties. A copy has been posted here:

    https://docs.google.com/a/terran.org...hl=en_US&pli=1

    This document is to be presented to the Park Board (City of Issaquah) on Monday, October 24th, at 7pm at Tibbetts Creek Manor:

    City of Issaquah - Agendas & Minutes

    More information on this shortly.
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    We just moved to Issaquah from Seattle specifically to be closer to the bike trails and of course we love Duthie. Issaquah should be a mountain biking destination - wow, what a great place and a nice town with several brew bubs and 3 surrounding mountains that SHOULD have mountain bike trails on them or more of them!

    We want to get involved with the Task Force and start attending meetings - is there have a Facebook page or web site where we can find out about activities and meetings?

    Read the document and it sounds awesome, just lots of good proposals in there. The possibilities are very exciting.

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    The final meeting of the task force was last month; it went from October of 2010 through September of 2011. However, the report presentation is scheduled Monday (details in this thread).
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    Oh I see, it was a group only for the creation of the recommendation document, not an ongoing advocacy, kind of semi-group, meeting.

    Well hopefully we will be hearing more and more about biking in Issaquah and be able to make our voices heard over the old timer hiker types who don't seem to be able to share.
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    Just forwarding this message as an FYI for those that can attend this meeting this coming Monday the 24th.

    Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:18:16 PM
    Subject: FW: ALERT - Issaquah MTB in Jeopardy!

    Hello fellow MTBers, especially High School MTBers

    Things are coming to a head for any improvements to mountain biking in Issaquah. As you can read in Jeff's message blow and the attached report, we have a unique opportunity, a crack, to improve mountain biking in Issaquah. But, the Issaquah Alps Trail Club and Issaquah Environmental Council plan to mobilize at the next Issaquah Park Board meeting to oppose any improvements in mountain biking facilities in Issaquah. The meeting is this coming Monday, Oct. 24th (City of Issaquah - Agendas & Minutes). If you can make this meeting and say a few words in support of mountain biking in Issaquah, great. If you can't make it, writing an e-mail would be really helpful as well (see Jeff's note below for contact, also it wouldn't hurt to copy the Issaquah City Council as well, citycouncil@ci.issaquah.wa.us)

    Please forward this message to other supports of improved mountain biking in Issaquah.

    Thanks,
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    ps, I also attached directions to the meeting location and the position letter from the Issaquah Environmental Council.


    Subject: ALERT - Issaquah MTB in Jeopardy!

    Hi David, Shaun, and Anders (feel free to share with others!),

    We need your help - The future of mountain biking in Issaquah is at stake!


    I would like to ask for your support, and that of other individuals that believe the City of Issaquah should pursue enhanced mountain bike opportunities. This can be done by attending the Parks Board Meeting, or sending an email stating your support for the Final Report and to encourage the City to pursue this initiative.
    Issaquah Parks Board Meeting
    Date / Time: October 24, 2011 @ 7PM
    Location: Tibbetts Creek Manor (couple of blocks south of Newport Way on SR900; from i90, ~.6 mile south on SR900, left into parking lot
    Email: Sharon Rosenlund (Sharonr@ci.issaquah.wa.us) the Park Board staff liaison (before the Parks Board Meeting) in support of mountain biking in Issaquah (ie: establishment of trails on the Park Pointe Parcel, creation of a MTB Skills Park, etc).

    The City of Issaquah Mountain Bike Task Force 'IMBTF', which has been meeting for the past 12-months, was created as a result of a City initiative to investigate enhanced mountain biking opportunities within and around the Issaquah area. The IMBTF researched the creation of a Mountain Bike Skills Park in the Highlands, identified areas for potential mtb trail development (ie: Park Pointe Parcel near Issaquah High School, and WSDOT Parcel in the Highlands), and specified many missing connector trails to link various mtb riding locations in the Issaquah Area. A Final Report with recommendations was provided to the Issaquah Parks & Recreation Department last month who in-turn will assess the information and advise City Council and Mayor on a course of action. A copy of the IMBTF Final Report is attached.


    The Final Report, which was purposely conservative in its recommendations to appease all trail user groups, has come under heavy criticism from the Issaquah Alps Trails Club (hiking group), and the closely linked Issaquah Environmental Council. These two groups are opposed to any enhanced mountain bike opportunities in Issaquah, and have been for the past 20-years. The hiking club and environmental groups are planning to protest the report at the October Parks Board Meeting.

    A collective voice from the mountain bike community needs to be heard by the City. Please attend this meeting and state your support!

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    At a meeting like this is there an accounting of who is backing cycling and who is backing hiking only? A show of hands or something like that?

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    how does our voice limpact the decisions made if we're not from Issaquah? I'm nearby in Snoqualmie and frequent Duthie Hill for most of my riding (and consequently spending money for post ride bevies and food at local places).

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    Joel...and everyone else...you do count.communities want people come and spend money, and they need to hear this...from mtbers...because of riding opportunities. Go if you can!

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    Park Board Presentation

    was rescheduled after the public input.

    That was somewhat of a surprised, but apparently they had so much awesome feedback (see comments in other threads) that they want to take a closer look and make sure they get it right. I choose to interpret that positively: you'd really want to understand an issue if you plan to take some actual action on it, as opposed to just half-listening to some ideas that you intend to shelve indefinitely.

    My understanding is that it will be taken up next month. I do not know whether there will be an opportunity for in-person public input at that time, but keep the emails coming in the mean-time:

    Email: Sharonr@ci.issaquah.wa.us Sharon Rosenlund, the Park Board staff liaison
    Copy the Issaquah City Council as well citycouncil@ci.issaquah.wa.us

    More information when I have it.
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    whew, i'm kind of glad. I had plans this evening already and couldn't make it. I will get an email out tomorrow after i get some sleep. o.O

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    Sounds Good! Taking the time to do stuff right is always better than jumping the gun and doing it poorly.

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    Hey hey,

    any new news on this development? my shovel is getting lonely....

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    Unfortunately, no updates. The task force is disbanded now that the objective has been completed. There are a few people still trying to help expedite the process unofficially as regular citizens - and on that point, anybody interested in helping on the political side of things, PM me.

    Now we're waiting for the Issaquah Parks Board to actually read/review the document we produced, then take some kind of action on it. I don't expect anything to happen quickly; in addition to the usual bureaucratic stuff, there are some opposition forces working to slow the process down even more.

    In the mean-time, the best I can suggest is to keep positive communication pressure on City of Issaquah - see the post above for contact info.
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    The latest news is there will be an opportunity for more public comment at this month's Parks Board meeting (7-9 p.m. Monday, November 28 at City Hall/Police Station/Eagle Room, see agenda). Paul Winterstein from the task force will be answering questions from the Parks board and will attempt to clear up some of the misconceptions that were evident last month. I think the task force would like some folks from the MTB community to show up to make comments and a show of support to keep the momentum created last month. That being said, it would be cool to consolidate the effort so as to not eat up all of the Parks Board time so they can get moving on their deliberations and or edits of the findings. I don't expect them to make any decision this month; they are notoriously slow when working on big issues...but so far, so good!

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    Reminder ... meeting is tonight (11/28)

    Quote Originally Posted by squakmtn View Post
    The latest news is there will be an opportunity for more public comment at this month's Parks Board meeting (7-9 p.m. Monday, November 28 at City Hall/Police Station/Eagle Room, see agenda). Paul Winterstein from the task force will be answering questions from the Parks board and will attempt to clear up some of the misconceptions that were evident last month. I think the task force would like some folks from the MTB community to show up to make comments and a show of support to keep the momentum created last month. That being said, it would be cool to consolidate the effort so as to not eat up all of the Parks Board time so they can get moving on their deliberations and or edits of the findings. I don't expect them to make any decision this month; they are notoriously slow when working on big issues...but so far, so good!
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    I am from Utah but my wife is from WA. I have heard Issaquah has good riding. The Tiger Trail? Are these trails any good? Many people from WA tell me the riding there is amazing.

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    Yeah, it's pretty good. Jump over here: http://evergreenmtb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
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