• 02-21-2013
    Kona0197
    Get ready for a new tax if you live in Washington...
  • 02-21-2013
    006_007
    Even more reason to buy individual parts (hopefully most can be under $500) and build up your dream bike yourself!
  • 02-21-2013
    LDB
    All about taxing more and nothing about cutting any spending. That's a democrat's solution alright. Sounds like a good reason to buy a few parts at a time alright.
  • 02-21-2013
    derby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LDB View Post
    All about taxing more and nothing about cutting any spending. That's a democrat's solution alright. Sounds like a good reason to buy a few parts at a time alright.

    So would it be better to cut spending on bike trail access, close parks, instead of taxing higher end bicycles a small amount?

    Like at home or a business, be specific about who should suffer with less pay or lay offs when advocating spending cuts.
  • 02-21-2013
    Jaybo
    You have a lot more faith in the government then I do. I live in Washington and this government spends money on crap like it is water. I have to agree with LDB on this one. I thought Democrats were the champions of finding a solution for Global Warming? I'm confused?
  • 02-21-2013
    Mikecito
    My personal feelings about the tax aside, I question the fairness and logic of charging an extra $25 for buying a $510 entry level bike the same as a $5000 dream machine.
  • 02-21-2013
    dwt
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    Get ready for a new tax if you live in Washington...
    Tax Schmax. Weed and Dr. assisted suicide legal. If you are a Tea Bagger in WA you're in the wrong state. Move to a confederate state with all the other selfish goobers who think they can live without a government. Or join a militia or a survivalist cult.

    Pass the bong, Billy Bob.

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  • 02-21-2013
    LDB
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by derby View Post
    So would it be better to cut spending on bike trail access, close parks, instead of taxing higher end bicycles a small amount?

    Like at home or a business, be specific about who should suffer with less pay or lay offs when advocating spending cuts.

    So it's automatically a given that there will be suffering if government reigns in their out of control spending? Bikes costing $501-999 are higher end bicycles? Government fiscal responsibility requires the miniscule contributions made to bike trail access and parks? Perhaps some savings could come from salaries of government employees who make approximately 100% more than their private sector counterparts. There are undoubtedly scores and scores of places to cut waste and cut spending without harming anyone.
  • 02-21-2013
    fatcat
    what a bunch of dumbasses in Olympia. Tax the weed, stupid! Tax hard liquor or even beer. Taxing a bike costing $500 is dumb. WTF? A bike is an anti-cancer, anti-obesity,
    pro health machine. Like taxing kids going to school wanting to learn to be decent hard working Americans. They are so out of touch gray hairs. (I have white hair now so I can say that)


    PS---Olympia, why don't you add an additional tax on exercise equipment, bike helmets, bike lights, reflective vests,
    all vegetables, and athletic shoes while you're at it. Pisses me off.
  • 02-22-2013
    Vampir
    The bike shops in Portland will love this.
  • 02-22-2013
    kubikeman
    Did anyone else pick up on this?

    "...a new annual car registration fee pegged at 0.7 percent of the vehicle's value..."

    If I lived in WA, I'd be more annoyed at that instead of the $25 on a new bike. How often do you purchase a whole new bike? Every few years? I'm assuming no individual parts would be covered under the tax since it's not a whole bicycle.

    0.7 percent on a new $25,000 car is $175! I pay $36. Again I'm assuming as your vehicle's worth declines, so would the amount you pay. So buy a $2500 clunker and you'll only have pay $17 a year to register it.

    Just seems like an incentive to keep your car longer and build a bike from mail order parts. That will jump start the local economy alight.
  • 02-22-2013
    derby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mikecito View Post
    My personal feelings about the tax aside, I question the fairness and logic of charging an extra $25 for buying a $510 entry level bike the same as a $5000 dream machine.

    Kind of funny $500 is entry level to us bike snobs on our $1500 and often higher priced bikes, some here owning many. Wall Mart bikes are entry level, are they every priced more than $150? Sure many bike shops have $400 bikes, but these are much nicer "entry level" than what a laboring class family can afford to buy their kids.
  • 02-22-2013
    tim_from_PA
    from the article:
    "House Democrats unveiled a transportation revenue package Wednesday that would raise $9.8 billion over the next decade"

    And the tax on bikes adds up to 0.01% of that. What's the point?

    They need to cut government pensions and make them all pay into their own 401K like the rest of us in the private sector. [/politics and sorry, I know it's not allowed]
  • 02-22-2013
    dgw2jr
    Here we go..
    Let's do some meth I mean math! :thumbsup:

    2011 bicycle sales: 15,700,000

    18% of which came from shops where the average price per bike was $680.

    15,700,000 * .18 = 2,826,000 bikes

    Those are the numbers for the entire US. Let's say for giggles Washington state represents 1/50th of $680 bicycle sales in the US. That's 56,520 bikes.

    56,520 * 25 = $1,413,000 in tax revenue for Washington state. Probably not even enough to pay the politicians to argue about it in the House and Senate let alone the administrative costs once it takes effect. Now let's consider another bill being discussed in WA Congress. Washington gas tax increase proposal faces bumpy road | KPLU News for Seattle and the Northwest

    2 cent increase on gasoline every year for 5 years. The total tax would be 47.5 cents once fully implemented for a 10 cent increase overall.

    2011 WA state gasoline consumption = 63.4 million barrels * 42 = 2,662,800,000 gallons
    2011 Total WA state gasoline expenditures = $9,860,400,000
    2011 Average Price per gallon = $9,860,400,000 / 2,662,800,000 gallons = $3.70

    2,662,800,000 gallons * .10 = $266,280,000 in additional tax revenue once the 10 cent increase is fully implemented.
    Total new revenue with 10 cent gas tax increase and $25 >$500 bike sales tax = $267,693,000
    $1,413,000 / $267,693,000 = .5% of all new revenue per year comes from bicycle sales over $500.

    If Milton from Office Space was working for the WA state government he could write a program to redirect that much money or more to an off-shore bank account and no one would ever notice.

    Data sources: EIA.gov and NBDA.com
  • 02-22-2013
    bikeabuser
    Elections have consequences.

    This is trivial, when compared to the National level of absurdity.
  • 02-22-2013
    mtbty
    So do the taxes from a mountain bike sale go to help out mountain biking? haha

    If I thought they would use the money from the tax in an efficient manner I wouldn't mind paying $25. But I don't really have faith that it will be used that way.
  • 02-22-2013
    nickn
    The tax on bikes doesn't go to anything bike related. It's all to highways. It's also been acknowledged by the bill sponsor that it is largely a symbolic tax for the anti-bike crowd. Hmmm and now we know why the government is lambasted for it's spending policies.
  • 02-22-2013
    wipp
  • 02-22-2013
    Jaybo
    Yes, this tread show you can't teach commons sense and smarts. How did the tea baggers get into this discussion? This is about craziness! How did bikes get into the extra tax conversation?
  • 02-22-2013
    Jaybo
    I work for government and we do pay into our pensions; however, the bigger problem is the guaranteed defined benefit. I put over a grand into my retirement a month to try and have some chance at dignity in my older years (assuming I get there :) ) Check out the pie chart of Washington State spending:

    Government Spending Details: Washington State Local for 2013 - Charts
  • 02-23-2013
    Dave_schuldt
    I hate to discuss politics here but sadly we have to....
    Just keep in mind our tax structure is the most regressive in the nation, in other words the tax burden falls hardest on the poor. This is the problem that's almost never discussed, do some Googling for details. Until this is fixed our problems will continue. Chances of a major fix (income tax and no sales tax) are slim to none.
  • 02-23-2013
    Jaybo
  • 02-23-2013
    verslowrdr
    Oh jeez... if we're going to get into THIS argument, here's a summary of ALL THE MONEY: xkcd: Money

    Now I'm going to shove a pencil into my ear until I can forget all of this.
  • 02-23-2013
    Jaybo
    Silly :)
  • 02-24-2013
    Len.Francies
    Just think how much trail could be built or improved if we spend our energy where it matters to this audience.

    Loved the math!
  • 02-24-2013
    JMUSuperman
    So the bicycle that I buy to ride only off-road will be taxed to support roads?

    I can see how people freak out about the cost of bike lanes, but I still believe that the bike lanes really exist to benefit the motorists.

    Now if the tax was used for the purchase of new land or to expand trail opportunities, that might be something different. It's still hard to swallow that considering so many trails (if not, all) are built and maintained through volunteer hours.
  • 02-24-2013
    racing4thesun
    So as a person that works at a bike shop, and has for 15 years, I would think law makers would just make a broad tax for all bicycle sales. But they wont. And the main reason is that if you include ALL bicycle sales for the state, the vast majority is cheap department store bikes. And the govenment doesnt want to piss off the big department stores. So raise the minimum price and independent bike shops will have to tack on the tax and have to eat the tax more often than not to make the bread and butter sales of 600 dollar bikes.
  • 02-24-2013
    DHRracer
    Would this tax be only on complete bikes? If so have your LBS pull the saddle off sell the bike incomplete and buy the saddle as an individual item.
  • 02-24-2013
    Dave_schuldt
  • 02-24-2013
    kjlued
    Part of me can't believe they actually passed this tax but the other part of just is not shocked.

    In all seriousness though, it is just stupid that they did.
    The sales tax on the bike should be enough.

    Also, the idiocy of it is that if you buy a $500 bike, you have an extra 5% taxed on but if you buy a $5,000 bike it is only 1/2%

    I can see the negotiating in bike stores now though.
    Buyer: "If you mark the bike down to $499.99 I will give you $1000 for that helmet." lol
  • 02-24-2013
    woodway
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Part of me can't believe they actually passed this tax but the other part of just is not shocked.

    You can suspend your disbelief for a while longer...it's just a proposal at this stage and has not been passed.
  • 02-24-2013
    kjlued
    Yeah, I just read an article on that. lol

    Still, can't believe they are talking about it.

    How about refunding cycle commuters instead since they don't tear the roads up. ;)
  • 02-24-2013
    Kliemann53
    If the bike doesn,t have pedals, is it a complete bike?
  • 02-25-2013
    wipp
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kliemann53 View Post
    If the bike doesn,t have pedals, is it a complete bike?

    Oh boy. Now they'll have to expand the Department of Weights and Measurements to audit bike shops for pedal-less bikes. Maybe a staff of 4-5 new bureaucrats with a budget that slightly exceeds the revenue that might have been generated by the Bike Tax...
  • 02-25-2013
    TFitz
    I emailed my reps about this, plus the chair of the House Transportation Committee Judy Clibborn; she doesn't think the bike tax will be part of the final bill, and agrees it's a dumb idea.
  • 02-25-2013
    jalm111
    Bike tax is just stupid... I guarantee that in the end riding a bike actually saves money (health costs, etc). They should pay people (give them tax break) for buying bikes instead of taxing them more...

    Similar with the gas tax. Why not re-do the whole gas tax system based on how many miles you drive instead of gas. Gas used to be a valid measurement of your road use but now with all the Priuses and etc it's not. Why is it that a person driving a Prius pays less in gas tax to use the same amount of road as I do...?
  • 02-25-2013
    Jimba
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TFitz View Post
    and agrees it's a dumb idea.

    But isn't that the case with most government ideas?
  • 02-25-2013
    mtec
    Won't affect those of us who build vs. buy or refuse to pay LBS retail prices.
    And it'll just push even more bike sales to the internet and out of state, and kill the LBS that much more.

    Mercer Island? Figures. Surprised they haven't tolled the I-90 paths to keep out the outsiders.
  • 02-25-2013
    TFitz
    like parks and state and national forests with open trails?
  • 02-25-2013
    wipp
    Tfitz, your always welcome to visit me on MI, I will leave word with the gate keeper.
  • 02-27-2013
    cycling_engineer
    I don't like new taxes, period.
  • 02-27-2013
    trailconqueror
    Rediculous, why do I have to pay for roads when my $500 plus bike will be strictly offroad?
  • 02-28-2013
    mtec
    Tax the roadies. Everyone wins.
  • 03-03-2013
    pnj
    sorry if this is a repost....

    State lawmaker defends bike tax, says bicycling is not good for the environment | Seattle Bike Blog

    Quote:

    Representative Ed Orcutt (R – Kalama) does not think bicycling is environmentally friendly because the activity causes cyclists to have “an increased heart rate and respiration.”
  • 03-03-2013
    slop
    And if this tax goes through than I think the bike haters need to be careful of what they wish for. If we have to pay $25 a bike than dammit take the whole lane. I think I'll get a jersey that says "I PAID A BIKE TAX, DEAL WITH IT"
    And demand some of this $ go towards trails since Mtb's are included!
  • 03-03-2013
    Len.Francies
    My earlier argument stands that this list is best served to motivate folks to help on trails but ill play along:

    The freebie kirkland reporter paper additionally reports this package includes a cents per gallon tax that will likely make the $25 soon fade from memory. In the spirit of fairness running shoes over $50 could be taxed at $5 a pair. I know never could happen. See what your rep thinks of that idea.

    Fingers crossed Tom's rep knows we will be ready to vote someone else in next term if this passes this season.
  • 03-05-2013
    robin_hood
    if you don't like it write your local representative. just enter your zip, edit and send away.

    Cascade Bike Blog
  • 03-05-2013
    jlf.ski.bike.sail
    guess ill just buy my bikes in OR.