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    Probably doesn't apply to people here since usually when I run into mountain bikers with dogs they at least have their dogs trained to not bite people.

    I pretty much have had it after getting bitten in the leg now for the second time by a hiker's dog this year and I'm only counting the times it drew blood. Next time I see a dog running up to me when biking it's getting a swift pre-emptive kick to the head and I'm biking away. I'm tired of trying to be nice, stopping, getting out of the way etc and still getting bit. Keep your stupid animal in check or don't bring it to the trails...

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    uh oh, I don't think the scab is dry from the last time this topic came up...

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    If you ride with dogs, then other dogs are too busy sniffing your dogs to worry about trying to bite you!
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    I heard a good one the other guy. I politely told a couple with a dog I would for them to go (way) ahead of me as I don't like dogs getting under my wheel. reply "oh if he does, just tap him with the wheel"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by formica View Post
    I heard a good one the other guy. I politely told a couple with a dog I would for them to go (way) ahead of me as I don't like dogs getting under my wheel. reply "oh if he does, just tap him with the wheel"...
    Yeah, that one bugs me, I have a lot of friends say that or say "just run over him if he gets in the way". Sorry, I really don't want to mangle your dog, it would make me feel really bad.
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    What usually happens is the bike rider crashes and gets hurt and the dog is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    What usually happens is the bike rider crashes and gets hurt and the dog is fine.

    Can you say "endo"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by formica View Post
    Can you say "endo"?
    I had a guy's dog literally bounce off my front wheel and later jump onto the trail in front of me on a fast steep downhill.

    At the regroup he was bragging about what a perfect trail dog it was. I said almost taking me out twice is hardly perfect. He ignored me.

    He also let's his dog chase nesting birds in a reserve when we do trail work.
    I pity the dog. I have ZERO respect for him.
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    I'm to the point of if someone shows up with a dog that I do not know/cannot trust I will bag my ride if it's supposed to be some sort of group thing. I've lost friends over it because I won't ride with their dog, who does not perform as the owner thinks it does. Two endos with a shoulder injury from "he always stays with/in front of/behind me" dogs and I'm done.

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    I enjoy riding with dogs. They're fun to watch and are always so psyched.
    ...unlike some people, some people are so bitter.

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    Dogs...

    Not bitter, if you are referring to me. The way I stay not bitter is to take care of myself, choose to do something different instead of staying in a situation that WILL piss me off and cause anxiety.


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    Actually, Formica, I'm not referring to you. I totally respect your apparent self awareness and knowing it, would never bring my dogs on a ride with you. Were we to ever ride together.
    I don't bring the pups along for group rides because it will be mayhem. My boys are good on the trail, but not that good. I take them for exercise, so it's usually just me, or me and a friend. Riding, running, hiking. Dogs need more than stimulation, they need exercise and they LOVE running in the woods as much as me.

    It's comments like "Next time I see a dog running up to me when biking it's getting a swift preemptive kick to the head and I'm biking away" that really get my goat (whatever that means). I am prone to defense of my family. My dogs are my family, as much as my wife, kid and my friends. That action would cause major conflict with regrettable results for everyone involved.

    I don't take them to Duthie because it's (imho) stupid and dangerous to have them in such a compact area. Imagine all of a sudden finding a dog in your landing zone when you're committed. I resent seeing dogs there.
    St. Eddies: depends on time of day and weather (crowds). the vibe there is changing in general; it used to be a great unofficial off-leash spot, less and less so these days...
    Long rides: no. Forcing that on your pet is cruelty.
    Hot weather: see above.
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    Aren't we all out there to have fun? Calm down and enjoy yourselves. Leave the bitterness at home.
    ...if you do, maybe dogs will stop biting you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteNW View Post
    Actually, Formica, I'm not referring to you. I totally respect your apparent self awareness and knowing it, would never bring my dogs on a ride with you. Were we to ever ride together.
    I don't bring the pups along for group rides because it will be mayhem. My boys are good on the trail, but not that good. I take them for exercise, so it's usually just me, or me and a friend. Riding, running, hiking. Dogs need more than stimulation, they need exercise and they LOVE running in the woods as much as me.

    It's comments like "Next time I see a dog running up to me when biking it's getting a swift preemptive kick to the head and I'm biking away" that really get my goat (whatever that means). I am prone to defense of my family. My dogs are my family, as much as my wife, kid and my friends. That action would cause major conflict with regrettable results for everyone involved.

    I don't take them to Duthie because it's (imho) stupid and dangerous to have them in such a compact area. Imagine all of a sudden finding a dog in your landing zone when you're committed. I resent seeing dogs there.
    St. Eddies: depends on time of day and weather (crowds). the vibe there is changing in general; it used to be a great unofficial off-leash spot, less and less so these days...
    Long rides: no. Forcing that on your pet is cruelty.
    Hot weather: see above.
    Tokul, 27, Tiger, G.R., Paradise, Leavy, Galbie... Yes.

    Aren't we all out there to have fun? Calm down and enjoy yourselves. Leave the bitterness at home.
    ...if you do, maybe dogs will stop biting you.
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    Maybe you should quit using cold cuts for shoe liners... What else are you do that is causing dogs to attack you?

    You should also be aware of the statement..."Never mind the dog, beware of the owner."
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    I stand by my statement. I don't give a crap about what you do and where as long as it doesn't affect me. A stupid dog biting on my foot certainly affects me especially when I get out of my way to make sure you and your dog can pass/etc.

    Feel free to cause whatever conflict you wish. If your dog makes any attempt to snap or go for any part of my body I will no longer stand there and try to be respectful, I assure you I won't be the one regretting anything.

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    i just got a new pup and am hoping to make her a great trail dog. Rule #1-we don't bite riders.

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    #2 We actually do stay with our owner and do not run with other bikes or get in front of them.
    #3. We have rock solid understanding of voice commands.

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    I agree with Jalm111, keep your dog away from me, family or not. Went on a work party one time where there were a few dogs. 3 of them kept picking on the 4th one, finally resulting in a dog fight. I understand that it really isn't the dog's fault; the owner hasn't trained them well. I would much rather beat the owner about the head and shoulders but it's their dog that is being the pain. If that is being bitter, then I am OK with that. But if your dog is going to behave like that and you are not going to control them, well who's fault is that. Slim

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvergreenBryan
    i just got a new pup and am hoping to make her a great trail dog. Rule #1-we don't bite riders.
    Quote Originally Posted by formica View Post
    #2 We actually do stay with our owner and do not run with other bikes or get in front of them.
    #3. We have rock solid understanding of voice commands.
    Sure- the problem seems to be that a lot owners *imagine* their beloved "trail dogs" behave this way, when in reality they do not. (See Shiggy's post for example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalm111 View Post
    Probably doesn't apply to people here since usually when I run into mountain bikers with dogs they at least have their dogs trained to not bite people.

    I pretty much have had it after getting bitten in the leg now for the second time by a hiker's dog this year and I'm only counting the times it drew blood. Next time I see a dog running up to me when biking it's getting a swift pre-emptive kick to the head and I'm biking away. I'm tired of trying to be nice, stopping, getting out of the way etc and still getting bit. Keep your stupid animal in check or don't bring it to the trails...
    Might give this a try then if thats your **** head thought process
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    How about a compromise? Amazon.com : Guardian Gear Lined Nylon Dog Muzzle, Size 3, 7-Inch Snout, Black : Pet Muzzles : Pet Supplies

    If you wanna run your dog off leash and don't want it to get it's head kicked in by me than just put one of those on it. Sounds reasonable to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalm111 View Post
    How about a compromise? Amazon.com : Guardian Gear Lined Nylon Dog Muzzle, Size 3, 7-Inch Snout, Black : Pet Muzzles : Pet Supplies

    If you wanna run your dog off leash and don't want it to get it's head kicked in by me than just put one of those on it. Sounds reasonable to me.
    No muzzle will protect you from this dangerous pooch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    No muzzle will protect you from this dangerous pooch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    No muzzle will protect you from this dangerous pooch...
    Beware, the one floppy ear!

    Jalmo, you need a bong hit buddy.

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    Jalm111, how about one of these for you:
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    Yea it's all fun and games. Does one of you jokers wanna front my $500+ ER visit with stitches bill thanks to a wonderful encounter with a "well" behaved dog?

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    Admittedly; that sucks. Sorry to hear it.

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    I love dogs, I love other peoples dogs.....I like my own life more. I don't car how nice the owner is, or how impolite the owner is. Follow the rules not, on or off leash. If a dog attacks you, defending yourself is number one priority. Screw any dog that is charging at you.

    I don't understand the dog owners in here trying to say the OP is out of line....what is it, the "ride off" comment that is getting under your skin?

    To the OP, did you get bit somewhere that dog should have been on a leash?

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    Plain and simple dogs should never chase a human.... I'm a dog trainer and wouldn't dare bring a dog on a public trail and if I did it would have a shock collar on.... People who think there dogs are trained are just dumb.... I've trained police k9 dogs and I don't trust them around kids.... It's a animal not a human.....

    Next time a dog chases you kick it square in the face... Might learn a lesson it's owner didn't teach

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    Running from the police doesn't count as "training a police dog".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalm111 View Post
    How about a compromise? Amazon.com : Guardian Gear Lined Nylon Dog Muzzle, Size 3, 7-Inch Snout, Black : Pet Muzzles : Pet Supplies

    If you wanna run your dog off leash and don't want it to get it's head kicked in by me than just put one of those on it. Sounds reasonable to me.
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    There will always be disagreement on this, that is obvious.

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    Awesome GeePhroh!! I just sent that one around.

    Why the extreme ranting on a public forum? Sh-t happens all the time. Hold the owner accountable. They should pay the bill and that dog shouldn't be allowed back onto a trail without a muzzle. Any grief and file a police report. It sucks but it happens... once in a GREAT while.

    A kid once tried to take my wallet so now any time a kid comes close to me I'm going to punch him in the face!!?? Thousands of friendly dogs run up to people because they love people.

    My dog is 9 months old and still in training. We keep her behind all riders in our group. That doesn't mean she won't get in the way of someone coming the other way once in a while. We'll keep working on it.

    Occasionally I ask my friends and ride buddies for a favor: ride behind her or approach her head on and if she stays in the middle of the trail, whack her out of the way with your front tire. It's harmless, super easy, super effective and they oblige. I was really lucky on our first training ride... Olive passed me then slowed down in front of me... whack! It made a HUGE difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwestra2 View Post
    Why the extreme ranting on a public forum? Sh-t happens all the time. Hold the owner accountable. They should pay the bill and that dog shouldn't be allowed back onto a trail without a muzzle. Any grief and file a police report. It sucks but it happens... once in a GREAT while.
    Ooh, come on, Mike. Because this is the PNW - Passive Aggressive NorthWest. Why would you want to address the owner (hiker, biker or trail runner) who's dog nips or bites at you when you're actually ON the trail?

    It's much easier to have a rant on Facebook or MTBR where the actual issue with said dog won't ever be addressed.

    For the record, I love dogs and I own dogs, but I would NEVER hesitate to A. protect myself from an aggressive dog and B. make sure the owner is held accountable for said dog's actions. I would do that on the spot at the scene of the incident - not on an internet forum.

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    I don't know about the PNW being any more passive-aggressive than anywhere else (maybe we should start a thread about that?), but otherwise I think that ebxtreme is spot-on.
    ...and mwestra2. I agree there as well, although I'm a bit intimidated by his laser-dog. Don't make eye contact.

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    The PNW is definitely the most Passive-Aggressive place I've ever lived, and I think this is one of the most passive-aggressive threads I've ever seen.
    I ride 3-5 times a week (w/o dog), and have never been bitten by a dog. When the OP is tired of getting bitten by dogs, I have to wonder what he is doing to provoke it?

    My buddy has a dog that joins us from time to time. I tend to choice not to take any jumps or drops when he is with us. If it bothered me, I would just choose to ride with a different group.
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    I've been jumped on and bitten by dogs at least two times in the past 5 yrs or so. No provocation, no nothin. I get along with dogs, am comfortable with them and love them. So it does happen sometimes and I've let the owners know it in no uncertain terms when it does. So far I've resorted to pushing the dogs off me in these instances but it's BS that it even happens at all.
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    Fair enough.
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    Interesting turn of dialog on this thread. I for one think we should talk about it here on a public forum because people should be encouraged to examine the behavior of their dogs on a regular basis. And I really haven't heard anyone rant. I have heard it discussed in a reasonable tone with just the right amount of smart ass. In the short time that I have been riding MTB I have been charged by dogs twice. And I am not talking about them just running up for a pet because I have had those experiences also. Both times I let the owners know that I was not pleased. I also let the dogs know that I was not pleased, and the owners didn't like that. Some people don't like dogs. Some people are afraid of dogs. And they should not have to have your dog in their personal space. They need to be reasonable about the size of that space that they claim but they should be allowed that space. I am firmly convinced that anyone can do whatever they want as long as they leave other people alone. Just because someone thinks I should have to put up with their dog in my space, does not mean that I have to. I like dogs. I don't currently own one right now because I don't have the time to properly train one but I will be more then happy to pet yours. But bad behavior is bad behavior people or dog. End of Rant. Slim

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    Skid into dogs. But only on a switchback. Seriously. Talk with the dog owner if the dog misbehaves, stop being passive aggressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickn View Post
    Skid into dogs. But only on a switchback. Seriously. Talk with the dog owner if the dog misbehaves, stop being passive aggressive.
    Roger that. If you are not going to confront the problem, don't just complain. Slim

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    There is no defense of off-leash dogs on the trail. The only mitigation is to get out to a remote and/or unpopulated spot. There is NEVER such a thing as a "good" trail dog. They're all at best bad (and usually dangerous).

    A dog bites me on a trail and it will be very bad for both dog and owner. Suggest bear spray or the like. If bitten absolutely go after the owner if but for nothing else to get the owner into the system.

    I am That Guy who will be a Jerk First if I see your unleashed go on a leash-only trail - these days that's pretty much only Grand Ridge. And yes, Seattle is BY FAR the worst when it comes to entitlement and passive-aggressiveness, esp. concerning the notion of dogs as people.

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