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    Devils Gulch/Red Hill/Mission Ridge/Tronsen Ridge/Naneum/Haney Meadow

    Hi all, I wanted to post a thread to collect trail beta regarding the areas hit hard by the fires late last summer from Table Mt. north to Tronsen and east to Mission Ridge. I really like the area for hiking and biking due to the open Ponderosa Pine forest nature of a good portion of it but realized quite some time ago that the spruce growth with lots of dry fuels on the forest floor would make it go "poof!" someday. I had hoped it wouldn't happen so fiercely and within my life, but so it goes.

    Anyway, any info from last fall or winter from XC skiing, snowshoeing, and snow machine trips about the area would be good to have, as well as more recent info as we can make it higher into the hills would be great.

    From my recollection, the area just north of Mission Ridge Ski Area (Beehive, Devils Spur) was not burned, correct? How about the upper DG trail head on FSR #9712 to the DG/MR 4-way intersection? The upper Mission Ridge trail and trail head from #9712?

    For reference, here is the last fire closure map of the Wenatchee complex from 29 October 2012:
    http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/WAOWF...-131203-0.jpeg

    And the Table Mt. fire from 3 October 2012:
    http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/WAOWF...-194250-0.jpeg

    And the one that sums it up by putting a nice line around the whole thing:
    http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/WAOWF...-084620-1.jpeg
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    I saw a bunch of pics of the XC ski trails up to Haney this winter... jackpot of trees down everywhere, and even holes in the ground where stumps had quietly burned away. Sounds like they got it pretty well sawed out for the ski season, but I'm thinking there's going to be trees coming down for the next couple years though the burn area.

    I'd also heard somewhere that tree-and-tread work had been done in the Devil's Gulch area before winter, so *hopefully* that's a leg-up on what could be expected for there.
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    DR, I'm going to crosspost this in our Wenatchee Outdoors Forum and I'll repost here if we get anything pertinent

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbwen View Post
    DR, I'm going to crosspost this in our Wenatchee Outdoors Forum and I'll repost here if we get anything pertinent
    Thanks, rb.

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    Look on snowest.com Washington section. I remember a post or two there early in the season about sled access skiing the burn areas. Sorry but I don't remember the posters name. It looked awesome in winter but they said the soot covered everything clothes etc

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    I'm clearly bored. Here's the post I remember.

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    I heard that there will be a lot of hazard trees in the area. I'm not sure if they'll open the trails before the hazards are removed from near the trails, but I did hear that there is federal emergency money available to get crews in and take care of the dangerous trees.

    I'm really eager to get up there and see what it looks like. My bro-in-law did some xc ski race up there in Feb and said it's patchy. Some areas had no fire, others were totally torched with all trees burned (stand replacement fire), and others the larger trees survived.

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    I took a skim over the slideshow on my phone while into three glasses of wine last night. I could be wrong, but I was heartened by it in that it does appear patchy and not as bad in most spots as I feared.

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    I heard that there will be a lot of hazard trees in the area. I'm not sure if they'll open the trails before the hazards are removed from near the trails, but I did hear that there is federal emergency money available to get crews in and take care of the dangerous trees.

    I'm really eager to get up there and see what it looks like. My bro-in-law did some xc ski race up there in Feb and said it's patchy. Some areas had no fire, others were totally torched with all trees burned (stand replacement fire), and others the larger trees survived.
    Yep, dangerous trees will plague areas like Devils Gulch at the bottom of the canyon from trees and rocks 100's or even 1000's of feet above the trail. It's going to be dicey there if there is lots of damage above on the canyon walls. Mission Ridge and Tronsen Ridge can probably be made safer more quickly.

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    That slideshow was excellent!!! Here's a direct link to it:
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    Slop posted some info in this thread about Table Mountain, a bit south of Haney Meadows, but welcome info anyway.

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    Current information from the WenatcheeOutdoorsForum

    there are about 50 trees across the trail to the cross over with Mission Ridge. Only a few are large, but you still can through a bike over them or get around. Tread was good all the way, just a number of small rocks lying in the tract. All 3 creek crossing are possible on logs and water is low. What normally takes 1.75 hours to ride became 2.25 hours.

    We stopped and cleared trail of small wood and large rock so or fiscal time was 4.75 hours. Continued up Upper Devils to the road. That section there is about 35 more trees, mostly before the old clear-cut. Again tread was in good shape.

    Goal was to come back down Lower Mission but we figured there would be even more trees down and the going would be slow.
    Some of the burn areas are very interesting. Look for mushrooms and a verity of flowers
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    Re: Devils Gulch/Red Hill/Mission Ridge/Tronsen Ridge/Naneum/Haney Meadow

    {Len: can readers assume we begin your story with up Devils are 50 trees across the trail to the mission ridge x-over...?}

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    ... there are about 50 trees across the trail to the cross over with Mission Ridge. Only a few are large, ...but you still can ... get around. ... All 3 creek crossing are possible on logs and water is low. What normally takes 1.75 hours to ride became 2.25 hours.

    ....Upper Devils to the road. That section there is about 35 more trees, mostly before the old clear-cut....

    Goal was ... back down Lower Mission but we figured there would be even more trees down ....
    Some of the burn areas are very interesting. Look for mushrooms and a variety of flowers
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    Timely and much appreciated report.

    Thanks out loud for your efforts to document and report and "make way".

    Now our options are wait for motorcycle sawyers or some of all-you-all need to get on the freight train with the MTB Buckers Brotherhood and drop in some usfs certified saws from the nearest entrances.

    We west side slickers know you folks have talent...

    All kidding aside you've given every one in this list very useful info and I as just one of a few good men with 3 weekends so far helping in the clearing effort over here on hwy 410 trails appreciate your data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len.Francies View Post

    All kidding aside you've given every one in this list very useful info and I as just one of a few good men with 3 weekends so far helping in the clearing effort over here on hwy 410 trails appreciate your data.
    Hey Len ... 3 day weekend - perhaps we should trek on over with our bars
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    Re: Devils Gulch/Red Hill/Mission Ridge/Tronsen Ridge/Naneum/Haney Mea

    I got lucky last year riding DG what was probably next weekend which was just after the motos had cleared it and Buckhorn had given us enough data to think they were on it so fingers crossed the motos clear this weekend.

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    I hope so. I'm heading over to Leavenworth this weekend and could use a dose of DG/MR. I'll check in with James at Das Rad Haus for an update on Saturday or Sunday. Failing that, I'll probably just go up and see what I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    I hope so. I'm heading over to Leavenworth this weekend and could use a dose of DG/MR. I'll check in with James at Das Rad Haus for an update on Saturday or Sunday. Failing that, I'll probably just go up and see what I see.
    Devils Gulch, Mission Ridge and Red Hill Spur trails are officially closed due to the fire damage
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Devils Gulch, Mission Ridge and Red Hill Spur trails are officially closed due to the fire damage
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    I hope that info is out of date. I'll call the ranger station on Friday to find out for certain.

    Also of note is that the FS site says that the road (7100, Mission Creek Rd) is closed just past the Sand Creek Road intersection. That leaves a couple of miles of road before the Lower DG trailhead as well as making one park near the junkyard, which I probably wouldn't do in any case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    I hope that info is out of date. I'll call the ranger station on Friday to find out for certain.

    Also of note is that the FS site says that the road (7100, Mission Creek Rd) is closed just past the Sand Creek Road intersection. That leaves a couple of miles of road before the Lower DG trailhead as well as making one park near the junkyard, which I probably wouldn't do in any case.
    I doubt it is. They will not open the fire areas until the snag hazards are addressed. Reportedly there are many. Public safety issue.
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    I'm wondering if the upper loop is open, i.e. free of fire damage/snag/rock hazards. From what I can tell, that area of 9712, Upper Mission Ridge and Upper Devils Gulch would make a nice ride in its own right and wasn't in the burned area according to the maps I perused a while back.

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    IN the greater Plain area, the winter snows were bad. Snow knock down is huge. I'll be on stuff this weekend while attempting to keep away from family, Selma and Patty, coming up. Plan to visit white pine, chikimin, chiwawa, minnow is probably under still, round mtn, greater Natipok.

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    Re: Devils Gulch/Red Hill/Mission Ridge/Tronsen Ridge/Naneum/Haney Meadow

    Thanks Shiggy for reality check.

    Since I opened my big mouth I called Leavenworth USFS office and they are telling people "its impassable". They have a crew to buck it but its been very wet and they are not scheduled to work until things dry up a little.

    I was talking to the public facing not the trail manager but from info and my own deadlines I determined to defer on offering to butt in.

    She did say "goose creek and lower chiwawa" were open.

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    I read a report that someone wrote recently after riding DG from the bottom up. It said there were like 50 blowdowns between the first river crossing and the intersection of DG and MR, then like 35 more from that intersection to the top of DG. I can't believe someone actually made it through all that crap. I would have turned around after about 10 blowdowns.

    Last weekend I rode up Mission Creek Rd. to check out the fire damage. It looked really spotty, in places it burned the ground and left the trees, but in other places it looks like it got hot and killed everything.

    We've had lots of rain (for the dry side) lately, and Sage Hills should be perfect this weekend. Also, if Red Hill and Red Devil dry out that is a fun loop that is clear of blowdowns.

    I rode Mad River Trail from Pine Flats to within 2 miles of Maverick Saddle two weekends ago. Some blowdowns, but not too bad. It's a fun trail that hopefully the motos have finished clearing by now. Lots of rocks though, I only ride it on my FS with tough sidewalls.

    Not much singletrack other than that to ride around here yet.

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    Hey, buckhorn, are you staying in the Wenatchee Valley area this weekend? I'll be over in Leavenworth and am looking for a ride Sunday. I may stay close to Leavenworth but if the weather is good, I would like to try Sage Hills too. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    Hey, buckhorn, are you staying in the Wenatchee Valley area this weekend? I'll be over in Leavenworth and am looking for a ride Sunday. I may stay close to Leavenworth but if the weather is good, I would like to try Sage Hills too. Thoughts?
    If it stays dry (IF) between now and Sunday, Sage should be fine. More showers are forecast for this afternoon, then dry(ish).

    I am planning to ride Sage on Sunday. Welcome to join me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    If it stays dry (IF) between now and Sunday, Sage should be fine. More showers are forecast for this afternoon, then dry(ish).

    I am planning to ride Sage on Sunday. Welcome to join me.
    Thanks Shiggy for showing me around Sage Hills. You can sure get an unexpected (to me) bunch of mileage and elevation gain out there! I'll be back out there for sure when weather is conducive (i.e. not too hot, not wet) and other places are socked in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRSpalding View Post
    Thanks Shiggy for showing me around Sage Hills. You can sure get an unexpected (to me) bunch of mileage and elevation gain out there! I'll be back out there for sure when weather is conducive (i.e. not too hot, not wet) and other places are socked in.
    You are very welcome. It was a good day.
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    Thanks for posting conditions reports everybody. We rode Sage Hills on Saturday and the conditions were just excellent. This morning we rode Xanadu and again, the conditions were the best I have had there. On the way back down 97 and 90 is started pouring rain. What an awesome weekend!

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    Re: Devils Gulch/Red Hill/Mission Ridge/Tronsen Ridge/Naneum/Haney Meadow

    I'm told that DG has been cleared of the 80-some trees across the trail rbwen reported weeks ago.

    Of course something can fall anytime in the woods (and there will be noise even if nobody hears it!).

    I didn't ask about mission ridge but that's enough for me visit and soon!

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    Not too exciting but rode from Wenatchee up to DG trailhead last Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len.Francies View Post
    I'm told that DG has been cleared of the 80-some trees across the trail rbwen reported weeks ago.

    Of course something can fall anytime in the woods (and there will be noise even if nobody hears it!).

    I didn't ask about mission ridge but that's enough for me visit and soon!

    DG was cleared out on Saturday by a moto group. Like you say though, more trees could have fallen since then. I personally wouldn't ride in that area if it is at all windy. I saw lots of trees that were still upright even though 90 of the trunk was burned away.

    Upper MR is clear of blowdowns, and only a couple of short patches of snow. There is one spot over halfway down that you can be bombing through and come quickly across a large hole. I was able to skirt it on Sunday, but I'm glad I was paying attention. I think it was caused by a tree falling over, and pulling it's roots with it.

    Lower MR had 7 trees down, mostly just past the intersection of DG/ MR. The trail is in awesome shape. It hasn't been this good in years. The reason? Hardly any traffic yet this year. I am sure this will change quickly. If you can get up there by next weekend it should still be good. With the fire damaged forest, and very much moto traffic, I expect the conditions to deteriorate quickly. Will be moondust in a matter of weeks I am sure.

    But it was GREAT last weekend.

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    Thanks for the reports!

    Silver lining- more traffic on DG/MR = less traffic on other trails in the area.

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    Re: Devils Gulch/Red Hill/Mission Ridge/Tronsen Ridge/Naneum/Haney Meadow

    Did the full DG/MR figure 8 with Art Sunday including pipeline/devil's spur then to up to first lake for lunch at 6pm.

    I will be calling the USFS tomorrow to rename my children to the trail crew members that cleared the zillion trees. Yep they cleared Lower Mission this week.

    Only trees down and blocking on the entire route are on the 2nd half of "the lakes section" between devils spur and road to upper MR TH. A 13" pruning handsaw up there could help remove the two or three tiny nags. There will remain a 5' diameter tree for most of our lifetimes.

    You make the call on the impact of the fire to the forest. MHO is it will help generate new growth long term. The trail dirt is 99.9% untouched. We both did hop over the root-burned-out gap-ditch about 1/2 down upper Mission.

    Art's Sun-blessed nap after no dabbing to the lake.
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    how 'bout the old growth Tamaracks in upper Mission? burned to death, just scorched bark? whaddya think?
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    Len- are you sure it was the FS who cleared it out? I think it was a Moto group. I rode the figure 8 on Saturday, and while lower MR trail was still really good, I could tell it is deteriorating quickly. It was much firmer the previous weekend. I probably won't ride it again this year.

    Were the mushroom hunters out on Sunday too? We must have seen 80 of them Saturday. We saw a group of 5 headed up DG on BMX bikes. I felt sorry for them.

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    Len- are you sure it was the FS who cleared it out? I think it was a Moto group. I rode the figure 8 on Saturday, and while lower MR trail was still really good, I could tell it is deteriorating quickly. It was much firmer the previous weekend. I probably won't ride it again this year.

    Were the mushroom hunters out on Sunday too? We must have seen 80 of them Saturday. We saw a group of 5 headed up DG on BMX bikes. I felt sorry for them.

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    Re: Devils Gulch/Red Hill/Mission Ridge/Tronsen Ridge/Naneum/Haney Meadow

    My source said it was a mix of USFS and motos and USFS I was told is who did the lower mission last week. I was praising the lord out loud for not totally baking the dirt into a beach and everyone that had worked on it in my Indian-style looking up and all around at the carnage. It seemed funnier to have someone I could conceivably look up at the USFS to rename my children to actual woodsmen who I hope my children are not offended as well. Oh yeah I was also praising that I didn't need to help!

    Yeah the mushroom pickers were there!

    On the Tamaracks I don't know. Hopefully just the bark and the burn areas are generally patches not entire sections. It was 7pm so I turned my attention from the trees to sleeping in my own bed.
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    Is your 30 year old son really going to want to change his name just to celebrate the clearing of DG ?

    Or do you have a little secret to tell us ?

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    Re: Devils Gulch/Red Hill/Mission Ridge/Tronsen Ridge/Naneum/Haney Meadow

    There can't be a statute of limitations on name changing of children after 30!?

    I defer to the Leavenworth and Wenatchee area locals on the following two new business items.

    I am trying to be available to help on Duncan Hill in July if you folks coach me and friends how to help. I recall a report on trees down last year.

    The other one is brush up 4th of July then across to icicle ridge. Suffering fool logistics on the 4th but I'm committed to bring the baby saw and gas as my pillow if it happens before the fires. Plan B is dozens of handsaws and sleep aids and breakfast on the mountain.
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    Does someone know the status of Tronsen ridge?

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    Pretty sure my buddies and I had first tracks on it last year, June 2nd. There was still quite a bit of pushing through snow, some pretty deep.
    A bit less snow this year but the fire damage....

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    Tronson ridge, Red Hill, Red Devil, Devil's Gulch are ready to roll.
    Tronson ridge had one 6" patch of snow, yesterday. Red Devil had 1 brand new tree down, which you can easily go under. Wonderful conditions. Motorcycles will be let loose on 15 June, so get in there today!

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    Rode up Devil's Gulch and down Mission Ridge Trail today and they are in stellar condition. Get to 'em before the motos get on them. Creek crossings were fine and the mushroom hunters are out in full force. Kudos to whomever cleared the 5 bazillion trees that were downed from the fire.

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    Latest on Devil's Gulch after the flash flooding we had over the weekend:

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    July 2, 2013. Devils Gulch Trail Condition Update. Mat Lyons phoned to tell us that the downpours on June 29 resulted in some flash floods that made a mess of the stream crossings on the Devils Gulch Trail. At least 4 stream crossings got washed out with the big rains of Saturday and one of those crossings has a 50 yard by 50 yard pile of debris that needs to be carried over.

    Mat says the Evergreen Mountain Bike Alliance will be organizing a trail party in the weeks ahead to clean-up the stream crossings and other deadfall that came down on the trail. Check this post and the Central Washington Chapter of Evergreen's website for keeping tabs of when that trail party is to head out.

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    Devil's Gulch Update

    Here's what we're facing on Devil's Gulch after the last set of flash floods. You can still get by the log jam but it'll take some effort. Don't know how many other trees have come down on the rest of the trail that were affected by the burn.

    Photo by Mat Lyons from Central WA EMBA...

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    From the USFS:

    DEVILS GULCH TRAIL WASHOUT: A segment of Devils Gulch Trail washed out due to a flash flood on June 29. Forest officials are assessing damages. Please do not use this trail at this time. Contact the Wenatchee River Ranger District for more information.

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    rbwen, I am assuming that this is in the canyon on the lower part of DG in the canyon and not on the upper part of DG between 9712 and the 4-way? I was considering riding the upper loop this weekend.

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    Correct. It's where the lower creek crossing are. Mission Ridge Trail is open too and it's primo right now.

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    Hmmm. Any word on the 7100 road up from the lower TH? Did it get hit and make it impassable too, or is it just about the same as last year? Maybe I'll do the "up the road and down the whole MR" trek, along with an OAB on the upper DG trail from the 4-way to 9712. That upper DG trail is too sweet to just pass by w/o riding it.

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