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    Devil's Conditions?

    I know this is probably a dumb question, but has anyone been up near Devil's Gulch/Red Hill yet? Conditions?

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    the top of DG is about the same elevation as Midway at Mission Ridge. Here's a webcam from Midway.

    My guess is that you'd be able to ride partway up Red Hill but hit snow before the saddle (just guessing based on other trails in the area) and you'd probably get shut down about 3/4 of the way up DG road.

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    That's about what I expected. I'm sure the creek crossings aren't ideal either. But I'm going to be in the area & was trying to be optimistic. : )

    I guess it will have to wait until July.

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    go do Sage Hills and Stairway to Heaven/Twin Peaks. Snow free and rockin right now.

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    Red Devil was nice on Sunday.
    I think Red Hill is snow free, but might be muddy a little ways up from DG.

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    As of last night (5-1-12) Devil's Spur still had some major snow patches and was otherwise pretty wet and muddy. Lots of snow up higher, but melting. The gate at the bottom of the Liberty / Beehive Road is open with lots of fisherman traffic, but I haven't been up there to check it out.

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    Thanks for the responses.

    Is Stairway/Twin Peaks connected to the top of Sage Hills? From the Horselake TH?

    I've only ridden the lower part of SH - which rocks.

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    The easiest way to ride Stairway is to drive (or ride about five miles of road) to the top of Number Two Canyon. You can park where the paved road ends and ride 0.75 miles to the TH or if you have high clearance you can drive that stretch to the closed gate and park there. You can ride from Horse Lake TH or Sage Hills but you're going to put in about 1.5 hours of climbing to get up and over Twin Peaks just to get to the TOP of Stairway, then ride down, back up. That'd be a big day. They are all connected via single and double track but the most straightforward way is to go up Number Two Canyon.

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    I haven't been up to Stairway yet this spring, but I heard that it is primo right now. I rode the Homestead Loop up Sage last week and that is in great condition as well.

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    no snow at all on Stairway and all the way to the top of Twin Peaks

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    Liberty Beehive road is clear of snow at least to the upper Squilchuck trail/ Devil's Spur junction. Saw the snow on Devil's spur, but I think Squilchuck trail would be rideable since it faces the south.

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    Their website seems to be down. Staring out my window I can tell there's still a decent amount of snow up there. You probably won't be able to ride to the top of the TH yet.

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    I can't get to the webcam link. Can someone please provide a brief description of what the link shows? Is it something like 5 feet of snow or?? Thank you
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    Thanks for the tips on Stairway. We didn't have time for the whole loop with SH, but we rode Stairway/Road Rage/Waterworks/etc. on Friday & they were in primo condition with wildflowers blooming. That's shaping up to be a nice little network of trails!

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    The link works now. But in case it is offline later this week this image might help people get an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTsian View Post
    ...we rode Stairway/Road Rage/Waterworks/etc. on Friday & they were in primo condition with wildflowers blooming. That's shaping up to be a nice little network of trails!
    Are these trails connected to do one loop or are they each a loop on to themselves? Are the trails signed? I'll be in the Wenatchee area in a week and half with a group; Stairway was recommended to ride.

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    They are connected but there are zero trail signs. Look on wenatcheeoutdoors.org for map, etc. I have GPS reports for all the rides in the area too. PM if interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbwen View Post
    The easiest way to ride Stairway is to drive (or ride about five miles of road) to the top of Number Two Canyon. You can park where the paved road ends and ride 0.75 miles to the TH or if you have high clearance you can drive that stretch to the closed gate and park there. You can ride from Horse Lake TH or Sage Hills but you're going to put in about 1.5 hours of climbing to get up and over Twin Peaks just to get to the TOP of Stairway, then ride down, back up. That'd be a big day. They are all connected via single and double track but the most straightforward way is to go up Number Two Canyon.
    Hmm, this could be done as a shuttle then, i.e. leave one vehicle at bottom of Sage Hills, park at Number Two Canyon, ride up Stairway to Twin Peaks and then down Sage (or vice versa) Hills

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    (First time poster & new part-time dry-sider) I rode Twin Peaks for the first time on Saturday and had a blast on Stairway. I rode up the singletrack and then turned right & continued climbing the road to the top of the mountain. Iím trying to figure out where Road Rage & Waterslide were in relation to my ride (GPS Summary below). I was using the WenatcheeOutdoors map as a guide which doesnít appear to have Waterslide at all and has Road Rage as a dot. Anyone willing to enlighten me w/ some trail intel Ė doesnít seem like the area is too much a secret but the forum wonít allow me to PM rbwen.

    Also- as I climbed stairway I was tempted by some singletrack, which I think was Suspended in
    Paradise. I remember reading last year that someone had destroyed that trail Ė is that true? Still looked rideable from the 100 yards of trail I could see, but resisted the temptation.

    Lastly- any suggestions or opinions of the trails not named on the Wenatchee map? Iím assuming waterbar world is not waterslide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckhorn View Post
    Red Devil was nice on Sunday.
    I think Red Hill is snow free, but might be muddy a little ways up from DG.
    I see on the WenatcheeOutdoors map that Red Hill and Red Devil can be ridden as a loop. Which direction is recommended, i.e. clockwise or counter-clockwise? I prefer getting the bigger climb out of the way first

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    Waterbar World- used to be a good trail, but it is no longer any fun. It is rutted out, and I stopped riding it. Motorcycles continue to tear it up, so I think the chances of it getting better is zero.

    Waterslide- Once you get to the top of Stairway, you exit onto a dirt road, which goes for a few hundred yards and connects to the main No. 2 Canyon Rd. From this junction (also the point where Road Rage ends) go up No. 2 Canyon road about 100 yards. Look closely because it easy to miss! Waterslide starts on the left side of the road. It is a short trail, but someone has been building some fun stuff. Waterslide top to bottom is probably less than a 5 minute descent.

    Road Rage- Continue climbing #2 Canyon road toward the summit of Twin Peaks. Near the summit, there is a sharp left turn. There are quite a few trees and shrubs on the right side of the turn, but you will see the singletrack in the middle of all the vegetation. Road Rage is fun too, lots of slower tighter corners. I rode it a few years ago when it was new, and didn't care for it, but it has gotten much better over time, and is really fun.

    Problem with all of the Twin Peaks area trails is they are short, and unless you connect over to Sage Hills, you can ride everything in 90 minutes, and either repeat stuff, or go home. Today I parked at the end of the pavement, rode up Stairway, up to the summit of Twin Peaks, down to Road Rage, down Waterslide, back up to Stairway, down Stairway, back to the truck, and total ride time was like 85 minutes. That was all the time I had, so it was fine. But, if I was planning a weekend out of it I would ride Sage in the morning when it is cooler (NO shade in Sage Hills), and then Twin Peaks area in the afternoon when it was warmer (Lots of shade, and higher elevation so it is cooler).

    Hoping to ride Devil's Gulch next weekend (5/19-20). I think it will be all melted out by then, and hopefully the motos will have already been through with the chainsaws clearing the trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheotherH View Post
    I see on the WenatcheeOutdoors map that Red Hill and Red Devil can be ridden as a loop. Which direction is recommended, i.e. clockwise or counter-clockwise? I prefer getting the bigger climb out of the way first
    Counterclockwise. You can park at Sand Creek or the lower Devils Gulch trailhead. Both will end with a fun downhill. The latter will give you a better warmup before the long climb up Red Hill.

    The descent to Devils Gulch on Red Hill Spur is one of my favorites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckhorn View Post
    Waterbar World- used to be a good trail, but it is no longer any fun. It is rutted out, and I stopped riding it. Motorcycles continue to tear it up, so I think the chances of it getting better is zero.

    Waterslide- Once you get to the top of Stairway, you exit onto a dirt road, which goes for a few hundred yards and connects to the main No. 2 Canyon Rd. From this junction (also the point where Road Rage ends) go up No. 2 Canyon road about 100 yards. Look closely because it easy to miss! Waterslide starts on the left side of the road. It is a short trail, but someone has been building some fun stuff. Waterslide top to bottom is probably less than a 5 minute descent.

    Road Rage- Continue climbing #2 Canyon road toward the summit of Twin Peaks. Near the summit, there is a sharp left turn. There are quite a few trees and shrubs on the right side of the turn, but you will see the singletrack in the middle of all the vegetation. Road Rage is fun too, lots of slower tighter corners. I rode it a few years ago when it was new, and didn't care for it, but it has gotten much better over time, and is really fun.

    Problem with all of the Twin Peaks area trails is they are short, and unless you connect over to Sage Hills, you can ride everything in 90 minutes, and either repeat stuff, or go home. Today I parked at the end of the pavement, rode up Stairway, up to the summit of Twin Peaks, down to Road Rage, down Waterslide, back up to Stairway, down Stairway, back to the truck, and total ride time was like 85 minutes. That was all the time I had, so it was fine. But, if I was planning a weekend out of it I would ride Sage in the morning when it is cooler (NO shade in Sage Hills), and then Twin Peaks area in the afternoon when it was warmer (Lots of shade, and higher elevation so it is cooler).

    Hoping to ride Devil's Gulch next weekend (5/19-20). I think it will be all melted out by then, and hopefully the motos will have already been through with the chainsaws clearing the trees.
    Well, the No.2 Canyon trails are short for the type of rides you usually do. Most riders need much more than 1.5hr to do a loop of the 3 main trails.
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    The bottom 1/2 mile of Suspended in Paradise was "decommissioned". There is a good story and discussion on Wenatchee Outdoors. It is unrideable on the bottom part but you could still ride the top part and when you hit the first road crossing the trail you could go right back to the main road or left to the middle part of Stairway to Heaven.

    There was talk last year after it was "decommissioned" that the FS was discussing the idea of letting users reconstruct the bottom of the trail but as far as I know it hasn't been touched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckhorn View Post
    Problem with all of the Twin Peaks area trails is they are short, and unless you connect over to Sage Hills, you can ride everything in 90 minutes, and either repeat stuff, or go home. But, if I was planning a weekend out of it I would ride Sage in the morning when it is cooler (NO shade in Sage Hills), and then Twin Peaks area in the afternoon when it was warmer (Lots of shade, and higher elevation so it is cooler). .
    If you had one day, which one would you do:

    (A) Ride up Stairway to Heaven to Twin Peaks summitt and then down Sage Hills?
    (B) Ride Sage in am and Twin Peaks in pm as you suggest?

    Right now I've got one day slotted this coming weekend for my group to ride Sage Hills. I've heard the Twin Peaks trails are nice (Stairway to Heaven) so to make good use of our day was wondering if we should do both and what combination is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheotherH View Post
    If you had one day, which one would you do:

    (A) Ride up Stairway to Heaven to Twin Peaks summitt and then down Sage Hills?
    (B) Ride Sage in am and Twin Peaks in pm as you suggest?

    Right now I've got one day slotted this coming weekend for my group to ride Sage Hills. I've heard the Twin Peaks trails are nice (Stairway to Heaven) so to make good use of our day was wondering if we should do both and what combination is best.
    I would chose option B. Weather this weekend look great. Sunshine and not too hot.

    Sage is a great trail system. It's like a highway singletrack. No technical riding at all, but it is on a hillside and therefore it either goes up or down. It might be a little busy by E. Washington standards, which means you might see 5- 10 people total.

    Twin Peaks is good, but really short (maybe 6 miles of trails total). Stairway to Heaven is great to ride both up and down. Don't bother riding up No 2 Canyon road, ride up Stairway instead. I have only ridden down Waterslide and Road Rage, and I am sure that is how most of the people ride it. Road Rage is in okay shape now, but as it gets drier, it gets looser sketchier, and less fun to ride.

    If you do the loop, here is what to expect- No 2 canyon road is a steep paved climb from town, it hurts. Then you get to the rocky crappy dirt road that takes you to the parking lot below Stairway to Heaven, this road also hurts, and if anyone is not in good shape they will want to turn around. Stairway is a nice climb, and the road to the summit isn't too bad but it is double track. Then you take the doubletrack all the way around twin peaks to connect up to the top of Sage. It is mostly downhill, but againn no singletrack. Then you bomb down Sage Hills and you are back in town. So it is 30% paved road misery, 30% doubletrack, and 40% singletrack.

    If you haven't ridden either Sage or Twin Peaks trails, or you riders that are out of shape, then I suggest option B.

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    There is single track off the top of Twin Peaks. If you head northeast from the summit you'll get a few miles of single track before you eventually hit the main road which takes you (with a few turns) to Sage Hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckhorn View Post
    If you do the loop, here is what to expect- No 2 canyon road is a steep paved climb from town, it hurts. Then you get to the rocky crappy dirt road that takes you to the parking lot below Stairway to Heaven, this road also hurts, and if anyone is not in good shape they will want to turn around. Stairway is a nice climb, and the road to the summit isn't too bad but it is double track. Then you take the doubletrack all the way around twin peaks to connect up to the top of Sage. It is mostly downhill, but againn no singletrack. Then you bomb down Sage Hills and you are back in town. So it is 30% paved road misery, 30% doubletrack, and 40% singletrack.

    If you haven't ridden either Sage or Twin Peaks trails, or you riders that are out of shape, then I suggest option B.
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    I rode the Red Hill/ Red Devil loop this morning starting at the Sand Creek TH, and it was in great shape. Love riding in the forest on singletrack covered with pine needles. Great loop, highly recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckhorn View Post
    If you haven't ridden either Sage or Twin Peaks trails, or you riders that are out of shape, then I suggest option B.
    Thank you so much for the info! I often rely on the knowledge of locals to guide me as to what is the best way to enjoy the local trails.

    One more question: for post-ride food and beverages, any recommendations (for Wenatchee, Cashmere or Leavenworth)? There will be 7 of us Canucks and we all love good beer

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    Rode up and down Devil's Gulch today. Not sure which direction I liked the best. Both are great fun. Only had to walk for about 20 yards because of snow. Still a couple of downed trees, but I did see a pair of motos with a chainsaw in a backpack. Stream crossings were about mid calf high and the water was cold. Mosquitos were out too, don't bother you when you are moving, but as soon as you stop they find you. We didn't bother to even attempt Upper Mission Ridge trail, one of the moto guys said there are still huge snow drift on the road before the trailhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckhorn View Post
    We didn't bother to even attempt Upper Mission Ridge trail, one of the moto guys said there are still huge snow drift on the road before the trailhead.
    Thanks for the report. So where exactly is the snow level- you made it to the saddle? (intersection of devils and mission ridge?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Thanks for the report. So where exactly is the snow level- you made it to the saddle? (intersection of devils and mission ridge?)
    We made it all the way out to the upper DG trailhead. There was a little bit of snow between the DG/MR junction and the upper trailhead. The moto said the big snow drifts (he was talking like 5'), were about half a mile down from the Upper MR trailhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbwen View Post
    There is single track off the top of Twin Peaks. If you head northeast from the summit you'll get a few miles of single track before you eventually hit the main road which takes you (with a few turns) to Sage Hills.
    Are there plans to build more trail from Sage Hills to the top of Twin Peaks? Trail connecting from Sage Hills to the Stairway to Heaven network, especially if built as well as Sage Hills, would make this a real destination. The peaks are worth the climb now IMO, but would be even better on (less than fall line moto built) trail. Seems like lots of potential for trails and loops when looking down toward Wenatchee from the peak.

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    No, most likely because there are too many landowners involved. It's not all owned by the BLM or DNR, etc.. They are planning on building more trails up in the Horse Lake area and up at Squilchuck State Park, but nothing up toward Twin Peaks, that I'm aware of.

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    Rode DG on sunday 5-27. DG was completely snow free and all blow downs had been cleared. Some streams had knee-deep water, so be careful on the crossings if you are on the smaller side. Overall the conditions were about the best I've ever seen them.

    I didn't do any of Mission Ridge, but the trail conditions notice at the lower TH indicated that there was still a lot of snow on upper Mission Ridge.

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    Yup, DG trail conditions were perfect on Sunday. Highly recommended!
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    Lower mission was great Sunday 5/27 and Art and I went up and over from the 8 mile intersection.

    Thanks moto sawyers and Buckhorn for the helpful report.

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    I want to make sure I'm not confused about references to "lower DG".

    Can one currently ride the road to the top intersection w/ DG at 5000 feet? Then descend the ~ 3 miles on DG to the MR/DG intersection, and continue on DG for another ~ 9 miles to lower trailhead, without encountering significant obstacles from snow or blowdown?

    That is my interpretation of the posts above. Basically, all 12 miles of DG are good to go, but the higher portions of MR (above 5000') still have snow. Thanks if someone can confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    I want to make sure I'm not confused about references to "lower DG".

    Can one currently ride the road to the top intersection w/ DG at 5000 feet? Then descend the ~ 3 miles on DG to the MR/DG intersection, and continue on DG for another ~ 9 miles to lower trailhead, without encountering significant obstacles from snow or blowdown?

    That is my interpretation of the posts above. Basically, all 12 miles of DG are good to go, but the higher portions of MR (above 5000') still have snow. Thanks if someone can confirm.
    Yes, you have it right. All of DG is free of snow and blowdowns. Only upper MR trail still has snow.

    But do yourself a favor and ride up the trail and skip the road. The trail is a really pleasant climb, and is never steep. I con't figure out which I like better climbing or descending DG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    I want to make sure I'm not confused about references to "lower DG".

    Can one currently ride the road to the top intersection w/ DG at 5000 feet? Then descend the ~ 3 miles on DG to the MR/DG intersection, and continue on DG for another ~ 9 miles to lower trailhead, without encountering significant obstacles from snow or blowdown?

    That is my interpretation of the posts above. Basically, all 12 miles of DG are good to go, but the higher portions of MR (above 5000') still have snow. Thanks if someone can confirm.
    I did exactly that loop last Sunday without encountering blowdown, etc. Confirmed.

    Note that FS road 7100 has a closed gate because the creek has done a pretty good job of washing out the first couple of miles of road over the last few seasons. This road section is still almost entirely rideable, and is easily walked in the few spots that are not rideable, though you may end up with wet feet.

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    From Evergreen MBA Facebook...

    Cougar(s) spotted on Devils Gulch this past weekend. Travel in groups, keep your eyes open, and your dogs close.

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    Trail update...We received word that a cougar (possibly two) was spotted on the Devil's Gultch trail this past weekend. So if you're out there riding keep your eyes peeled, your group together and your dogs close if you ride with them.

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    I had one in my backyard earlier this week. Living next door to Squilchuck Park that is not an unusual situation. I usually see a couple a year somewhere in the area.

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