• 02-28-2014
    syngltrkmnd
    Casing troubles with Conti Trail Kings?
    I bought a pair of 2.4 TKs last summer. Within a month the casings had failed, and while they were replaced under warranty, I wonder how many others have had the same problems. I thought the issue might have been limited to the 2.4s (Conti sent me 2.2s as replacements, stating the 2.4s were not available which I took to mean as "we have a known issue") but I found that one of my 2.2s failed mid ride yesterday. Bummer.
    I am going to ask for a Mountain King as a replacement, as much as I like the way the Trail Kings perform, but now I feel pretty skeptical about the brand.

    Edit: Setup: I am running the tires tubeless with Stan's, mounted to CrossMax SXs. I use an air compressor, not C02, to fill them.
  • 02-28-2014
    pinchflat
    I used a 2.2 Mountain King for a while last summer. One time, I got a pinchflat and one of the guys asked me if it was a girls cyclecross tire because it looked wimpy. He was right; the tire didn't last. The sidewalls are too thin for anything but girls cyclocross.
    Continental Mountain King Tire Reviews - Mtbr.com
  • 03-02-2014
    kasperilio
    I've been running Conti Trail Kings 2.2 tubeless for two years and haven't had any issues. I do know that you have to have the Protection version, otherwise they don't hold up as well).
    (and no one's made fun of my small tires, maybe it's because I have big feet and hands.)
  • 03-02-2014
    ttrd
    Trail kings are some of my favorite tires and long lasting. Had two sets that lasted well over a season and a half..... Bummer to hear some quality issues now.
  • 03-04-2014
    boostin
    I've seen a few Trail Kings that blew a big bubble in the sidewall. Both times we thought the rim had bent, which is what it appeared to be when spinning the wheel. Both times it was the casing blowing out though.
  • 03-04-2014
    Rumblefish10
    I had a set of X-kings 2.2 I tried to use tubeless. Absolutely worthless. Drove me up the wall. Hard to seat the bead and even harder to get a seal. The walls just purged air from new till I threw them out.
  • 03-04-2014
    syngltrkmnd
    I have a 2.2 Mountain King II en route courtesy of my LBS. I hope I get better results from it. An industry person told me that some of the Contis are mnfr'd in Asia, and that might be the cause of the quality issue. I'm not sure though. The way I read it, the Conti site indicated that the Trail Kings were made in Germany.
  • 03-04-2014
    syngltrkmnd
    What rims/wheels were you running? I found that the Contis were more difficult to mount on the alloy Havens is was running for a while. Ultimately I switched back to Mavic wheels, and the mounting process was pretty easy. I still needed to use a compressor to seat them, which hasn't always been the case: my WTB Weir Wolf IIs mounted up on CrossMax STs with a hand pump, for instance.
  • 03-05-2014
    Maday
    I quit using them. Too many problems.
  • 03-06-2014
    mayonays
    Bummer, I just bought a set of TK's. Have yet to mount them up, won't have that bike built up for a couple months. Hopefully they don't suffer the same fate as others have posted.
  • 03-06-2014
    kasperilio
    Has there ever been ANY tire that someone didn't have an issue with? If so I want to hear it and see proof. Where's Shiggy?, he did all sorts of tire reviews.
  • 03-07-2014
    pinchflat
    This tire is awesome especially considering the price:
    Forté Pisgah 26x2.3 Folding Mountain Tire - Mountain Bike Tires
    Solid sidewalls and good traction. Works well with Stans too. Alternatively you can go with the Hans Dampf - just buy the $70 model not the $40 one.
  • 03-08-2014
    syngltrkmnd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kasperilio View Post
    Has there ever been ANY tire that someone didn't have an issue with? If so I want to hear it and see proof. Where's Shiggy?, he did all sorts of tire reviews.

    No, probably not. But I've never had a casing issue like this ever before. It's definitely the most noteworthy problem I've encountered in a while as two other guys in my riding circle have now experienced problems with Contis. It's not a "oh I heard that those are bad" kinda thing.
  • 03-08-2014
    syngltrkmnd
    Looks decent, though I need a tubeless bead.
  • 03-08-2014
    shiggy
    Casing troubles with Conti Trail Kings?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by syngltrkmnd View Post
    I have a 2.2 Mountain King II en route courtesy of my LBS. I hope I get better results from it. An industry person told me that some of the Contis are mnfr'd in Asia, and that might be the cause of the quality issue. I'm not sure though. The way I read it, the Conti site indicated that the Trail Kings were made in Germany.

    Some Conti tires are made in Asia. Usually India or Taiwan. This will be molded into the tire. The Taiwan tires are made by Maxxis. The German made tires all have a large "Handmade in Germany" hot stamp on the sidewall.

    If you are running standard versions without inner tubes the failures are not quality issues. You are using them in a manner they were not designed for.
  • 03-08-2014
    Miker J
    I've used 3 Conti tires in the past 2 years.

    2 of them X-Kings, protection version, listed as sealant comapatible. A 2.2 and a 2.4".

    Wicked fast and I really dig the feel of the 2.4 on fast rides on my TB LTc.

    But, getting them to hold air has been a real problem. So much so I'm ready to give them away to someone else free. They've been a real major hassle.

    Probably the easiest, cheapest, best riding tubeless tires I've found have been Specialized tires. Setting these tires up on pretty much any rim was a no-brainer. Not finicky at all. Sealed up well right off the bat and hold air like a champ. The big problem was the weak casings/sidewalls and thus long term durability. The new Grids are out and hopefully will address the sidewall issue. If it does I'll probably quit fishing around for different tires for a while. Th GC and Purgatory, in 2.3" are really nice all-round tires.
  • 03-08-2014
    patineto
    I have my 2.4'' trail king's for about two years with zero problems, not a trace of damage on the casing and I have check them since I start to read the reports, I guess I got lucky, awesome tires by the way..
  • 03-08-2014
    krummholz!
    Funny enough I just attempted to mount a pair last night on my flow ex rims. One wouldn't seal up at all tubeless. I finally gave up and put a tube in. The other sealed up easy but had this issue:



    Click the pic to watch the video. I've contacted continental, but this is ridiculous for a $70 tire....
  • 03-09-2014
    syngltrkmnd
    Did you use a compressor to seat the bead?
    This is what my tires looked like after they failed. They did not wobble after being mounted - just after riding aggressively, and the casing failed inside.
  • 03-09-2014
    krummholz!
    Yep compressor. Don't like using it because I won't have one of those on the trail if I have an issue but I didn't have a choice...
  • 03-09-2014
    Tracer650
    During 2013 Seen plenty of conti with a wobbly tread lay. Always in 2.4, bead seated, rim straight and with a tube. The tire is defective. German black chili protection not Taiwan tires. In 2012 I never came across this.

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  • 03-09-2014
    Surestick Malone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by syngltrkmnd View Post
    I have a 2.2 Mountain King II en route courtesy of my LBS. I hope I get better results from it. An industry person told me that some of the Contis are mnfr'd in Asia, and that might be the cause of the quality issue. I'm not sure though. The way I read it, the Conti site indicated that the Trail Kings were made in Germany.

    I believe the Black Chili compound ones are made in Germany, the others elsewhere.

    I rode a set of 2.2 Trail Kings the last half of last season with no issues but not tubeless (I can't stand messing with the bloody sealant).
  • 03-12-2014
    HighFivenWhiteGuy
    I rode 2.4 TK'S without incident for quite a while. However after a particularly aggressive turn into a berm the outer casing separated from the inner. I was running tubeless. After that I moved the 2.4 TK from the front to the back and put a different tire on the front. No problems since then.

    On the whole I am very pleased with their quality and performance.

    As far as seating the bead when going tubeless just use a compressor for that sudden burst of air. Once seated the TKs tended to stay seated. Even for adding sealant I was able to crack the bead slightly then re-air with a floor pump. Just that initial seating that is tough, though I had the same problem with a Hansen Dampf 2.35.
  • 03-12-2014
    shiggy
    Casing troubles with Conti Trail Kings?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HighFivenWhiteGuy View Post
    I rode 2.4 TK'S without incident for quite a while. However after a particularly aggressive turn into a berm the outer casing separated from the inner. I was running tubeless. After that I moved the 2.4 TK from the front to the back and put a different tire on the front. No problems since then.

    On the whole I am very pleased with their quality and performance.

    As far as seating the bead when going tubeless just use a compressor for that sudden burst of air. Once seated the TKs tended to stay seated. Even for adding sealant I was able to crack the bead slightly then re-air with a floor pump. Just that initial seating that is tough, though I had the same problem with a Hansen Dampf 2.35.

    The TK 2.4 Tubeless is awesome. Tough, grippy, seats and seals easily with a floor pump on UST compatible rims. No sealant needed.
  • 03-19-2014
    mergs
    ha! and i thought it was just me... I had this same problem about 2 years ago on my TK 2.4 running ghetto tubeless (stans rim tape, no rimstrip, plus stans on non tubeless rim). came into a turn hot and rolled bead off the rim, tire wobbled like that from that point on. tried all sorts of things, first a tube, then removed, re-seated as tubeless, with compressor, it would rub against the arch or chainstay (depending on where I mounted it). LBS tried to straighten it out with a tool they had. no luck.

    i figured the ghetto tubeless setup plus me running low 20s psi, simply wasn't right for the tire... the sidewalls seem really thin and perhaps the lack of a tube fails to support the side wall. i pitched it and installed another one. no problems since, same tubeless setup just run higher psis now, around 30 i believe. oh, and that fall that resulted from the tire blowing out, hurt. :)
  • 03-20-2014
    syngltrkmnd
    Failed TK on the rear wheel?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HighFivenWhiteGuy View Post
    I rode 2.4 TK'S without incident for quite a while. However after a particularly aggressive turn into a berm the outer casing separated from the inner. I was running tubeless. After that I moved the 2.4 TK from the front to the back and put a different tire on the front. No problems since then.

    So you're running the busted tire on the rear? Your casing failure must not have been too severe. My three incidents have rendered the tire unrideable. Plus, I wouldn't trust the tire any longer.
  • 03-20-2014
    syngltrkmnd
    So strange - your experience of pushing hard through a turn is the same as mine. I wish there was an official response from Continental.
    I am ordering a pair of Bontrager SE4s to replace my Contis. 26 x 2.3 Team Ish.
  • 03-20-2014
    HighFivenWhiteGuy
    The back tire was trashed so I moved the front tire, also a 2.4 tk, to the back to replace it. I then bought a new tire for the front.

    Very annoying to say the least, especially for a spendy tire.
  • 03-20-2014
    tekkamaki
    Stick with the made in Germany black chili tires. I have a set of RK Super sonic 2.2 that I use in the winter months. Get lots of miles from them if you stay off the pavement.

    Fun tires really, they tend to drift in the corners but always seem to hook up just in time. ; )
  • 03-20-2014
    Mountain Cycle Shawn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Some Conti tires are made in Asia. Usually India or Taiwan. This will be molded into the tire. The Taiwan tires are made by Maxxis. The German made tires all have a large "Handmade in Germany" hot stamp on the sidewall.

    If you are running standard versions without inner tubes the failures are not quality issues. You are using them in a manner they were not designed for.

    I just checked my 2.4 X-Kings. They say, "Made in Germany". I set them up Ghetto with Caffe Latex. They actually sealed up with a compressor before I put any sealant in. Although, I do paint the inside of the tube with sealant before I put the tire on. The tire holds air well, but the sidewall does seem pretty porous. There's always some wet sealant on the outside of the tire. But, I have had no problems with the tires yet.
  • 07-01-2014
    canuck_tacoma
    Hmm...I have two newish Mountain King 2 ....2.4's that wobble like crazy. They're Protection BlkChilli.

    Can you see the failure when you take the tire off and inspect it?
  • 07-04-2014
    InertiaMan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Hmm...I have two newish Mountain King 2 ....2.4's that wobble like crazy. They're Protection BlkChilli.

    Can you see the failure when you take the tire off and inspect it?

    In my case, there was no visible evidence of the failure. However, the location of my wobble was aligned with the casing "seam" (there is a diagonal overlapping carcass structure at one point that you can see inside). Maybe this is coincidence, or maybe the origin of these failures is some shifting of the carcass layers at this point.

    At any rate, its defective. I've lived through 3 of these. All Protection Black Chili, both MK and TK. The TK installed fine, but exhibited a terrible wobble after a hard g-out. The two MKs were badly wobbling on install. Conti sent me warrant replacements for all of them.

    BTW, for anyone having trouble getting these tires to hold air (ie they are bleeding through the sidewall), I had a horrendous experience with that. The solution (buried deep in the Conti website) is to use a bit of sealant and a brush and scrub the inside of the tire before you put it on the rim. The mold release residue on the Conti's is really heavy, the scrubbing cleans much of it off, and the sealant can get a grip. My tires held air great after that.
  • 07-05-2014
    canuck_tacoma
    Thanks for the reply........LBS is going to send mine to the Conti Rep and try to get me a refund. I can't bring myself to buy them again....two tires warping in 5 rides...not good. Giving Schwalbes a try.
  • 07-08-2014
    ra33it
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boostin View Post
    I've seen a few Trail Kings that blew a big bubble in the sidewall. Both times we thought the rim had bent, which is what it appeared to be when spinning the wheel. Both times it was the casing blowing out though.

    Can confirm, ran tubeless, big bubble, blah. Switched to Maxxis tires, no more problems.