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    Best day I ever had out on the trails!! And I didnt even ride. I came up on the guy in the pcture in the prvious post, laboring on a few new plank rides. 2 guys in front of me blew past him, like he wasnt even there. I stopped and spent a couple hours helping, The President of Trailspinners ( Trailspinners is the organization that keeps White Clay the best in the area.) was also there with shovel in his hand. Many of the riders that passed offered thanks for the work we were doing.
    I learned a lot about what goes into maintenance and the features they create, and realized my short contribution was a drop in the bucket to what Ricardo and the other volunteers do.

    I feel great about helping, and would reccomend that if you pass one of these guys on the trail next time, give em an hour of your time. You will be glad you did.

    I cant wait to help more on what they have planned. With 10 pairs of hands, a few hours would make short work of the jobs!


    Heres a link to some of the new stuff. Its at the end of the video (5:00 mark), proving that it all can be cleared!!

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    Thank you very much for stopping, John. It means a lot to us when people stop to help. We do what we do because we love it but we can use more like minded individuals like yourself.

    Your assessment is correct. The more people we have on a regular basis the better. I understand that certain commitments keep many people from volunteering but even a few hours here and there are a great service. Sometimes we get to do cool stuff like building new features or blazing new trails. Other times we must do the less glamorous tasks of transporting materials, trimming, and fixing mud holes.

    You had first hand experience with the training that is involved, the time invested, and the effort put into the new features at Creekside. It's tough but the result is a great reward. Plus, we were the first to ride the features! You get to name this last one. Be creative!


    On my way to the site. I wasn't looking forward to a solo mission but work must be done.


    Jim showed up unexpectedly and stayed to help. Thanks!


    Then came John. Don't tell anyone, but John can see trail fairies!


    Ken and I worked on most of the intermediate line to the right. Jim, John, and I finished it and started a beginner line to the left.
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    first take at the feature name is Briar Bypass. There are some serious thorns along that path..

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    If I have time I'll take a trimmer out there on Friday. You can rename it afterward.
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    I cant make it Friday, but what time will you be there? Maybe someone else will see this and pitch in..

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    Just to trim that section one person is plenty. In the near future, I would love some help from as many people as possible. We will be building a few more lines here and there along that same creek section. I'll make a post about it in the near future.

    In the meantime, I am open to suggestions, drawings, pictures, descriptions, etc of what kind of plank features you would like to see. Yes, we are limited to planks and logs as those are the materials I have to work with right now. Unless, of course, there are people out there willing to donate rocks, more planks or logs, etc.
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    I was down at the new features Sunday, when Jim brought a motley crew of rider through on a tour.
    There was one guy that completed the Bottom bracket breaker on the first try. It was great to see someone complete it, and it gave me confidence to give it a few more trys.

    I made it through 5 sections, before falling off. I had to stop, because I had pieces of my bashguard strewn along the feature.

    I will clear this next time.

    It is amazing how the feature is more approachable once you see someone complete it.

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    I'm off every other Friday. Maybe I can join you guys for some trail work.

    Ricardo, I'd love to see some skills features in open areas, things that I could session on without fear of landing in briars, rocks, etc. (Yes, I'm a giant chicken.) Is something like this possible?

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    blue42;

    Keep trying. I'm confident you'll get it soon. Too bad I didn't see you at the Jambo.

    RLK;

    Have you visited the features on Creekside? I ask because we will be clearing the landing zones around those features so that you can fall without much damage. I think that most of our features are built so that you have safe landing zones. If you disagree, please point those areas out to me so that I can review them and, perhaps, make the necessary changes. There are a few of the features that require some brush to be cleared. There are others that may still have some building material around them. These will be removed soon.

    If you have clear ideas of what you'd like to see, and this goes for everyone, I will certainly consider them. We have parameters but so long as we are within these building is only limited by our abilities, creativity, and effort.

    Send me a PM or post your ideas here. If you are available this Friday, I may be able to use you for a few hours.

    Thanks!
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    Yup, I've checked out Creekside, and I can ride the lower stuff. The two highest obstacles still freak me out, mostly because I know that my front wheel lifts aren't reliable enough yet. (Something to work on at Logzilla this winter.) Clearing brush will definitely be helpful, and something I'm willing to help with.

    I gave this some more thought while riding last night. Mountain biking, in many ways, forces me to acknowledge my weaknesses and fears. I realized that one of my fears about obstacles in general is being overtaken by a faster, more skilled rider in a blind section. Perhaps that's why open areas appeal to me- they let me fully focus on the task at hand. I love the portable obstacles that were set up at the Jamboree for this very reason. I might have to build my own!

    What time on Friday? I may be able to offer a couple of hours.

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    You were at the jamboree and you didn't say hello? Booooo!

    The weather isn't looking great. But if it stays light we can do some work tomorrow. Do you know where Zyngo's or Henry's Bike Shop is? I can meet you there tomorrow at 9. All are welcome. Bring work gloves, boots, and eye/ear protection if you have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leoferus View Post
    You were at the jamboree and you didn't say hello? Booooo!

    The weather isn't looking great. But if it stays light we can do some work tomorrow. Do you know where Zyngo's or Henry's Bike Shop is? I can meet you there tomorrow at 9. All are welcome. Bring work gloves, boots, and eye/ear protection if you have it.
    You were too busy rocking that skinny ride! (Well done, BTW )

    I have a meeting at 9:00, and have to work Friday evening. But I could do late morning or early afternoon? (Moving that meeting might be feasible, but I'd rather avoid doing so if at all possible.)

    Yup, I frequently ride from Henry's, and I have work gear.

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    Don't worry about it. There will be other days. Thanks for offering. I'm flexible with my schedule. Send me a pm whenever you think you can spare a few hours.
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    cleared the bottom bracket monster today. Took 1/2 hour. I can only clear it in one direction though.
    The other direction may take a while. Awesome feature!

    Got it on video too.

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    You are a better rider than I. You should post the videos. Of both features.
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    Derailleur Breaker.

    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/B_dY8RLJ_iM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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    I am no YouTube expert, so I can't figure out how to release it to a mobile unit, but it works on a CPU.

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    Mobile version ( no music)

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    Sick! Thanks for sharing.
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    Thanks for building! I look forward to helping you with you next creation.

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    The derailleur breaker is a bit trickier than it looks, but got it the 2nd try. I gave up on the bottom bracket monster after 4 tries. Next time !

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    I'm glad people are riding the features and enjoying them.

    92gli - video or it didn't happen, lol.
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    The beginner line is done. From one direction, it is super easy. From the other, it is a bit more challenging. This way, one can build up confidence. I didn't design it to be ultra easy because there is no value in that. It's easy to enter and ride but there are some elements in it that will cause the beginner to build up skill. <= That's the idea. Anyways, the main lines are built. There will be plenty more coming and, for the sake of suspense, I will not divulge what I have in store.

    I would like to thank everyone that has helped. I won't be listing any names here as I'm not sure who here wants their name listed publicly. But, if you have volunteered in any way and/or at any time to this and any other project past or present, THANK YOU. One hour, two, three, ten, twenty... it matters. It all helps. It took a lot of time and effort to build what we have on the Creekside trail. Please ride it and please let us know if you like it. If you do nothing else, post your experiences here so that we can at least use that as fuel to continue building.

    But, if you want to get involved, you can always visit the trail spinners website or contact me directly. I can always use help!
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    you da man. I dont want to guess how many hours you have put in on the crrekside features. They are awesome. I ride there regularly, and prople are starting to find them.

    Great job!

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    Thanks for all the hard work...The features look awesome

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    Trail maintenance tomorrow 9am from Zyngo's (Poly Drummond Rd & Fox Den Rd). If trail conditions improve in the afternoon, I'll ride until about 5pm. See you there!

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    Well here we go....... What's the Hurricane prognosis?... In an attempt to get some miles in before the deluge I rode MR Sat (also tried to get out early today but couldnt) and the trails were incredibly fast and perfect... Hopefully there will be sufficient drainage and not suffer any bridge damage... So what are we expecting?? Riding by the weeks end when the Sun pops back out I hope??..

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    We are expecting a lot of rain and severe winds. When Irene came by, the volunteers were able to clear debris in a matter of days. Unfortunately, at this time of the year, the ground and vegetation do not absorb water as readily as in Spring and Summer. If we get the expected 6-10 inches of rain, don't expect the ground to be solid enough to ride for a few days.

    As for the bridges, some of the smaller bridges suffered minor damage. At least one bridge I'm aware of was washed away but stayed intact. I had to transport it back to it's site and re-install it. I believe that most of the bigger bridges will be okay.

    Trail Spinners will be out in force as soon as is possible and we will likely have trail conditions to report in a matter of a day or two but this all depends on the path Sandy chooses.
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    If I aint riding, or repairing my own property, Id like to help. Please keep this posted as to the cleanup effort. Maybe those of us that enjoy it will find time to give a few hours back.

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    I'll certainly be out on Thursday and Friday. I'll post reports as soon ASAP.
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    Thanks Ricardo! Hope to catch up with you later in the week to help with the cleanup effort.

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    I'm off Friday. Please let me know when and where you'll be working.

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    Due to the storm, my job requires me to work on Thursday and Friday unless something changes. However, I'll get you in touch with someone that may be able to use you on Friday, RLK. Thanks for the offer.

    My earliest possible date to schedule a clean-up party will be this Saturday. Let me know what times work for you. I usually start at 9am. Thank you.









    We did what we could with hand tools. Most major debris is cleared. We made a new log-over because we couldn't remove this tree. Some will require chainsaws. These can only be used on state and county property by certified individuals. But they will be deployed soon. Don't worry. The ground is wet and I think that if we get a two days with no rain we should be able to get out and ride again. This Saturday we can concentrate on removing debris and clearing mud holes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leoferus View Post
    Due to the storm, my job requires me to work on Thursday and Friday unless something changes. However, I'll get you in touch with someone that may be able to use you on Friday, RLK. Thanks for the offer.

    My earliest possible date to schedule a clean-up party will be this Saturday. Let me know what times work for you. I usually start at 9am. Thank you.
    I have no idea what I'm going to find when I get to work today...between my office location and my facilities. So I may end up working Friday. I can help any time on Saturday. Thanks for what you've done already!

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    Shame you can't leave that big boy log over as is!

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    This Saturday @ 9am from Zyngo's is definite. Thanks for volunteering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    Shame you can't leave that big boy log over as is!
    I might be able to but I must provide an alternate path. Yesterday we just performed emergency repairs to reopen the trails. We will address particulars when we have more time and the major issues have been addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leoferus View Post
    This Saturday @ 9am from Zyngo's is definite. Thanks for volunteering.
    planning on being there. Just to be sure, how much of a party is this? Should I bring a pitcher of bloddy marys or should I bring gatorade and gloves?

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    Gatorade and gloves in the am. Riding in the pm.

    We have a few people committed. We should be able to do some good work and have fun after.

    All are welcome. Don't be shy. The more people shore up the better. After work, I'd like to ride to main street for lunch. Then ride back to the trails for a few hours.
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    We had a great turn out yesterday. blue42blue42 came out to help. Thanks a bunch.

    Stumpjumpy came out later to ride. We took him on a 20 mile tour. Lot's of fun!

    On another note, the trails are open. We have done all we can to remove all major obstacles. However, some branches may remain. Please take the time to stop and move these out of the way. This goes a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leoferus View Post
    We had a great turn out yesterday. blue42blue42 came out to help. Thanks a bunch.

    Stumpjumpy came out later to ride. We took him on a 20 mile tour. Lot's of fun!

    On another note, the trails are open. We have done all we can to remove all major obstacles. However, some branches may remain. Please take the time to stop and move these out of the way. This goes a long way.
    That was a great ride! Pretty spectacular riding up there - a little bit of everything.

    Kudos to you guys for maintaining the trails in that condition. Gotta be hard work.
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    The following schedules are for both Lums Pond SP & White Clay Creek SP:

    Lums Pond SP
    Archery Season: October 15th thru January 26th (all trails will be open......please be respectful to hunters and stay on the trails.)
    Shotgun Season:
    November 9th thru November 17th (all trails will be closed.)
    December 8th thru December 15th (all trails will be closed.)
    January 19th thru January 26th (all trails will be closed.)

    If you have any questions, please contact the LPSP office at 302-368-6989

    White Clay Creek SP
    Archery Season: October 15th thru November 8th (all trails will be open.....please be respectful to hunters and stay on the trails.)
    Shotgun Season:
    November 9th thru November 17th (any trails that are closed will be marked.)
    December 13th thru December 15th (any trails that are closed will be marked.)
    January 19th thru January 26th (any trails that are closed will be marked.)

    If you have any questions, please contact the WCCSP office at 302-368-6900
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    Quote Originally Posted by leoferus View Post
    The following schedules are for both Lums Pond SP & White Clay Creek SP:

    Lums Pond SP
    Archery Season: October 15th thru January 26th (all trails will be open......please be respectful to hunters and stay on the trails.)
    Shotgun Season:
    November 9th thru November 17th (all trails will be closed.)
    December 8th thru December 15th (all trails will be closed.)
    January 19th thru January 26th (all trails will be closed.)

    If you have any questions, please contact the LPSP office at 302-368-6989

    White Clay Creek SP
    Archery Season: October 15th thru November 8th (all trails will be open.....please be respectful to hunters and stay on the trails.)
    Shotgun Season:
    November 9th thru November 17th (any trails that are closed will be marked.)
    December 13th thru December 15th (any trails that are closed will be marked.)
    January 19th thru January 26th (any trails that are closed will be marked.)

    If you have any questions, please contact the WCCSP office at 302-368-6900
    Are Sundays huntable in DE state parks?
    Obviously nothing in season this Sunday(18th) besides bow at Lums, but for future reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goalieman24 View Post
    Are Sundays huntable in DE state parks?
    Obviously nothing in season this Sunday(18th) besides bow at Lums, but for future reference.
    No hunting on Sundays.

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    Thank you everyone that has helped. I'm exhausted. I'll post some pictures from today's work party tomorrow. In the meantime, I put together this collage of all the features currently finished at Creekside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leoferus View Post


    Thank you everyone that has helped. I'm exhausted. I'll post some pictures from today's work party tomorrow. In the meantime, I put together this collage of all the features currently finished at Creekside.
    Great work!.... I just got back from a solo night ride and was pleasantly surprised to see the second feature across from the bottom bracket monster... I would love to lend my mind and a hand in future features... For now however as you can see by me sneaking in a last minute night ride by my self tonight as my only ride in a week, my work and home schedules keep me ridiculously busy... I am planning on continuing to try to scavenge some hours to help in the future.. You Guys do an amazing job with the trails..

    P.S. What's up with the drawbridge project??.. That one really has my attention and is right up my alley.... Haha..

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    I know how it is to be busy. I can usually go out on Thursdays and Fridays as well. So, if you have spare time on those days I can certainly find something for us to do. There's more work to be done than people to do it. PM me if you ever find yourself with time and there isn't any work scheduled.

    As for the drawbridge, well, that's a long shot. The state would have to not only approve it but build it. We cannot assume liability for an articulated structure. So, just like I mentioned in the "Trail Building" forum, this was to be considered mostly academic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leoferus View Post
    I know how it is to be busy. I can usually go out on Thursdays and Fridays as well. So, if you have spare time on those days I can certainly find something for us to do. There's more work to be done than people to do it. PM me if you ever find yourself with time and there isn't any work scheduled.

    As for the drawbridge, well, that's a long shot. The state would have to not only approve it but build it. We cannot assume liability for an articulated structure. So, just like I mentioned in the "Trail Building" forum, this was to be considered mostly academic.
    Oh I know the drawbridge was just a design exercise and would be a liability nightmare.. I just had to bring it up as I found it engaging and wanted to mention it.. I'll let you know when I can spare some time.. Hopefully sooner and later... I run a family business with 2 locations, work 6 days a week between Greenville and Lewes and have an infant at home so I have to really bargain for my time right now.. To put it in context I'm hockey friends with Justin D the chiro and have tried all summer to coordinate schedules to get a ride in together.. Despite chatting almost every other day it never happened.. I'll shoot you a fb request and we can try to set something up....

    -Nick D

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    Thank you, Nick, for making an effort to come out and help us. Your heart and mind are in the right place but it seems as though you are needed where you are. As much as we need you, your family and business come first. I just wish those that can do will do.

    As I've said before, and this is addressed to everyone, we have more projects than we have people to carry them out. Of course, there's a trial period new volunteers must go through in order to be able to handle tools, machines, etc. Also, new volunteers must learn techniques, guidelines, and safety measures. Once all that is out of the way, we can start to form teams that can tackle individual projects. But that is what we need, we need riders of all skill levels to contribute.

    Let me put it this way, if I'm the only one building, what kind of difficulty levels do you think you will see? Well, I'm an advanced/beginner (call it intermediate). So, whatever I make will likely fall in the categories of beginner, intermediate, and advanced intermediate. Why? Because that's my envelope. What I think is difficult an advanced rider will find hard. So, we need CAT 1 racers to come out and not just talk about what they want. Help build it. Come and show us what it is you want built. Just as well as I'm starting to move away from easy stuff and, when building training features for beginners, I need a beginner to give me some perspective. You all get the point, I hope.

    So, take Nick as an example and make the effort to come out. Take blue42 as well, he comes from another state to help us. So, he sacrifices time and gas money to help us out.
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    Spotted a devil today on the trails! Happy Thanksgiving guys and hopefully when school winds down I'll have more time to help with trail maintenance.

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    Awesome! Where did we run into you?
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