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    The WTB Phoenix Thread

    I think the Phoenix is a classic most definitely worthy of it's own thread even though its really not super old yet. Ive seen some nice ones posted here over the years, so lets put 'em all in one spot to enjoy. Ive got a few pics of mine, but I'll let you guys get this thing going as I find some good pics to post.

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    here's my brothers phoenix.....i will complete this project for him!!! r.i.p.

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    I've owned a '93 and a '98 (pretty much a first and a last of the series). I now own neither.

    The first pic is a '93 SE (Special Edition) which had roller cams and a few other WYB goodies. The second is a '98 "standard" Phoenix. Both were nice.

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    Heres mine.
    I still remember when my friend Bryan and I stoped by our favorite bike shop one saturday afternoon. I remember we turned the corner into the second room and right there under the tv was the most beautiful blue bike with three names down the big fat seat tube. The bike stoped us in our tracks and we both simply said woooooo. Then we started asking questions about the bike. The bike was built up the way P.C.C. would typically build a bike back in those days. A splatering of WTB, Shimano, Prolong saddle,and I think it had Ti WTB flat bars. It was nice but more than a young Marine could afford. I would come in on a constant basis to hang out at the shop to visit the guys and drool on that bike. I told my wife that I wanted to buy this frame and build it up with the parts from my Stumpjumper. It was that matte grey Stumpjumper from I think 91" or so. It had 7speed XT thruout and all I would need is a front derailleur. Chuck even worked up a price for me for the frame and seatpost and wrote the price on a little piece of cardboard, I think it was from a tube box. I am sure Chuck doesnt know this but I carried that piece of cardboard in my wallet for years. Around that time my wife and I went on vacation visiting all the mountain bike hot spots, Durango, Crested Butte, and Moab. Just traveling around camping and riding with no particular place to be. One day after our trip I brought in the mail and saw the credit card bill and was wanting to see the damage we did during our trip. So I opened the envelope and started checking out the bill, I looked up at my wife and said Pacific Coast Cycles $500.00? My wifes face just fell and that is when I ruined the surprise that me wife had put the Phoenix on layaway for me. She still gives me crap that I never looked at the bill before and I still try to convince her that I was just checking to see how much we spent on our vacation. Sorry this story is getting long, I'll try to shorten it up. Shortly after we paid it off I got out of the Marine Corps and needed a job. Again one saturday we happened into the shop and I noticed that a big part of the staff was missing. I asked Chuck what happened to everyone and he explained that Mike had moved on to Haro, and either Pete or Tom went off to school and the other had just moved away. So I hit him up for a job. I guess since I hung around so much anyway he hired me. Now I couldnt build up the Phoenix with the parts from the Stumpjumper. So I slowly started piecing it together. It got the first WTB adjustable hubs the shop had, built up by Chuck with BCX 1 & 2 rims, Chris King, Bontrager grey saddle, brand new XT 8 speed drivetrain. I kept the thumbshifters from the Stumpy because they had that extra half a click. The parts havent changed much from the original build, I just changed stuff as it wore out. I had some Sims cranks on at first but after a couple of weeks they cracked so I put on the Shimano's no bling but they work. Anyway this bike has been thru alot with me, it was my main mountain bike for years. It had a repaint because the original D&D paint just chipped away. And then on a little cruise along mission beach one day I hit a railroad ti and twisted the frame. It was ugly, the top tube had a crease on one side and the down tube had a crease on the opposite side. I know Steve P. thought it was a J.R.A. story but I didnt ask him to warranty the frame I just wanted it fixed. Steve cut the front triangle off and built a new one. That was right when 1 1/8" headtubes were getting popular and that is what Steve wanted to put on but I wouldnt have it. I insisted we stayed with 1" so Steve brazed in some collars to reduce the size. Well I love this bike and have alot of history with it. Unfortunatly it doesnt get ridden much anymore (damed 29" wheels) but I will probably never part with it. Sorry this is so long I guess I was just thinking about the salad days, hope you enjoyed.
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    Mine is waiting for a new Type II from Steve Potts... It is a 96 and will have front and rear roller cams.


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    I've posted this before but here it is again. When I purchased it Steve said it was the first large phoenix built.
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    Cool post Rob. Brings back a ton of memories. I'll get some photos of mine posted later today.

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    heres one or two

    man, i remember seeing the baby blue Phoenix of Stan Lee's when i first came to college in 94, and his was a 93, only it use to be gun metal blue. anyhow, so i just get into town, and am riding my crummy trek down to campus and i pass this hippie birkenstock store (coincidentally that same hippie store is exatly next to my bikeshop now) and what do i see locked to the rack just in front, but this phoenix! i about ride my bike into a parked car, turn around and proceed to check it out for about an hour, I had never seen one in person, but had always admired Steve's work, not to mention all things WTB and Cunningham, the rest has evolved into a life of pursuing the finer things from those fellow.

    Stan Lee's phoenix set it all in motion.

    so here's a couple of mine.

    all for now
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    that green phoenix is truly superb. it has that purposeful, tough as nails, thread the needle sort of look i always liked with the wtb stuff in general. chapeaux!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn
    that green phoenix is truly superb. it has that purposeful, tough as nails, thread the needle sort of look i always liked with the wtb stuff in general. chapeaux!

    Yep, that green one is awesome Nate. I love that one.

    The only problem is the cams dont match!!


    I want to build one up like that with a rigid fork, drop bars, and roller cams front and rear as a sort of steel 'Ham. Both of mine now have squishy forks on them.

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    Still in the works....



    A nice specimen...

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    [QUOTE=Jeroen]Still in the works....
    Looking good Jeroen.

    Here's mine, still in the works also. Please excuse the awful camera-phone picture.

    Lots still to do: re-cover the saddle, find some appropriate rims, polish the cranks, decide between the FSX's and Project 2's (I know neither is "right" but I can't afford a Type-II !), buy a transmission, etc.

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    @Moonter;

    family reunion:

    yours and mine when the both where still mine ;-)





    No, I am not retro.... I am way ahead of my time...

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    how's about the pink one again.

    and man, i sure dig the original gunmetal blue and pearl white's that you guys have.

    so classy.

    here's jacquie again.

    notice the electrical tape covering up Wilderness trail bikes on the downtube. some love loss there.

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    My Phoenix

    Courtesy of ~martini~, after I hounded him for a period of time, this is now my trusty steed. Took it out for a ride in the hills behind my house today so I could take some pics and take it off some sweet jumps. It will soon have a Steve Potts built Type II and front rollercam.


    It was in the process of toppling over as this shot was being taken But, no harm, no foul.






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    Phoenix

    I read this thread with great interest. you all seem to love your Phoenix frames.
    Here in Marin County- birthplace of the Phoenix, most people could not have cared less about that frame. It was dated as soon as it was introduced. It was steel, it was not light, the first ones were not even suspension corrected.
    As I recall most of the people that owned them got them at or below cost or by trade with WTB- hardly anyone who had one actually went to a bike shop and paid retail for it.
    I guess coal becomes diamonds in time?
    Don't think I'm a hater- I would take an old school Potts or Cunningham with a type II and rollercams in a heartbeat- I'm just saying that in Marin County when these bikes were current they were not the deal by a long stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat
    I read this thread with great interest. you all seem to love your Phoenix frames.
    Here in Marin County- birthplace of the Phoenix, most people could not have cared less about that frame. It was dated as soon as it was introduced. It was steel, it was not light, the first ones were not even suspension corrected.
    As I recall most of the people that owned them got them at or below cost or by trade with WTB- hardly anyone who had one actually went to a bike shop and paid retail for it.
    I guess coal becomes diamonds in time?
    Don't think I'm a hater- I would take an old school Potts or Cunningham with a type II and rollercams in a heartbeat- I'm just saying that in Marin County when these bikes were current they were not the deal by a long stretch.

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    how could a bike considered " not the deal by a long stretch" make it so long. when were the last ones made, 2001?beyond? (formerly known as phoenix counts imho).

    who's got one of the 29ers?
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    FIXED MY PICS!!!

    LOOKY LOOKY WAY UP!!!!




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    Phoenix

    They probably kept making them because they still had tubesets?
    Why do you think Potts fraes were made out of Tange MTB tubing for ever?
    Heck, you could probably go by WTB and still get a Bon Tempe- I know that they made 20front triangles as a 1st batch- probably 15 of them still there.

    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    how could a bike considered " not the deal by a long stretch" make it so long. when were the last ones made, 2001?beyond? (formerly known as phoenix counts imho).

    who's got one of the 29ers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat
    Here in Marin County- birthplace of the Phoenix, most people could not have cared less about that frame. It was dated as soon as it was introduced. It was steel, it was not light, the first ones were not even suspension corrected.
    I'm sure lots of people everywhere felt the same way, but to a few it was a very nice frame. There were maybe 500 made, so it was never intended to sell all that well.

    The blue one that I posted above spent many years on the trails of Marin (ridden by the original owner), and I always thought that it rode really well when I owned it.

    I still prefer to ride non-suspension correct steel. The newest bike that I own (made in 2004) is rigid (not corrected for suspension) and steel. I agree it's not what people people want, but some of us prefer it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Cool post Rob. Brings back a ton of memories. I'll get some photos of mine posted later today.
    Thanks Mike,
    I Hoped you would like it. Do you have any pictures of the shop from back in the day? I remember walking in there and seeing a rack full of the bikes that are talked about here. Potts, Salsa, Ibis, Bontrager, Monolith, and then the employee bikes and of course Chuck would have his Cunningham there somewhere. Alot of bike goodness.

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    Man I miss that bike. Only bike I've ever owned that I wish I still had. These WTB's were dang NICE riding bikes.

    I'll probably maybe get one again someday...Or one of those new fangled 29er Potts's.
    Just a regular guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat
    I read this thread with great interest. you all seem to love your Phoenix frames.
    Here in Marin County- birthplace of the Phoenix, most people could not have cared less about that frame. It was dated as soon as it was introduced. It was steel, it was not light, the first ones were not even suspension corrected.
    As I recall most of the people that owned them got them at or below cost or by trade with WTB- hardly anyone who had one actually went to a bike shop and paid retail for it.
    I guess coal becomes diamonds in time?
    Don't think I'm a hater- I would take an old school Potts or Cunningham with a type II and rollercams in a heartbeat- I'm just saying that in Marin County when these bikes were current they were not the deal by a long stretch.
    I know this group of Ford lovers that think the Chevy guys are dumb.

    I guess we all have our preferences. The Phoenix in 1995 (or especially '98) was not a cutting edge FSR with a carbon Future Shock (or name any other bike in those glossy MBA ads). It was a light (4.3 pounds of Ritchey oversized Logic tubing), lively, well thought-out trail bike that handled really nicely. I think its probably the best trail bike Ive ever ridden. Ive ridden a lot of bikes on trails for more than two decades and this one is magic for me. Hard to beat unless your looking to catch big air or doing the hardcore DH thing. I even did a decent little drop on mine, ask Rumpfy.

    Bottom line is, I think most people like em for the ride. But, it doesnt surprise me that in the 90s that these were probably not the most sought after bikes. Most people were chasing that magic in full suspension I think.

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    Here are a couple old ones of mine. Its different now, but cant find the pictures. More to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Hard to beat unless your looking to catch big air or doing the hardcore DH thing. I even did a decent little drop on mine, ask Rumpfy.

    Little? Thats a 5' footer to almost flat...I didn't think you were going to go for it.
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    Five whole feet, huh.

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    Rob - Pictures? I've got a couple taken in the shop area, but not sure about the rest of the shop. I'll look.

    ~martini~ Consider it yours to ride anytime you visit the area!

    One thing that can best be used to describe the way a Phoenix handles is nothing. The best testament to a bike's handling is not being able to say anything about it. It is so neutral feeling - nimble and stable at the same time - that it really exhibits no negative traits. When someone asks you how a particular bike rode and you really have no words for it becuase you don't have to think about how it rides, that's the best trait a bike can have.

    Here's a review from '94 - understated is the key word.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike

    Here's a review from '94 - understated is the key word.



    whos got some better pics of that stem
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    Interesting review. I wouldnt call mine an XC race bike, but I wouldnt call it a cruiser either. Its not a bike I choose for fire roads. It seems to live for singletrack.

    If I was going to race the Hardtail class in a DH, the Phoenix would get the job for sure. These things really come to life on fast downhill singletrack. Super fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    whos got some better pics of that stem
    Like this?



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    I remember being with Steve and Charlie in october 1992 and seeing my first Phoenix bikes. I really don't remember whether they were called Phoenix by then. I bought mine a few years later, 95/96. I still ride it on most of my long rides. Last summer I rode the Leadville 100 on this bike. Would love to have a 29-er with Phoenix-manners.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pottser
    Would love to have a 29-er with Phoenix-manners.......
    I tink that's called a Haro Mary... from what I recall seeing on the 29er board, the mary was inspired by the pheonix.


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    Quote Originally Posted by logbiter
    I tink that's called a Haro Mary... from what I recall seeing on the 29er board, the mary was inspired by the pheonix.
    Aye.

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    The Mary is a nice machine.

    Here's a newer '99 Phoenix with disc mounts:

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    Charlie's Phoenix

    Here is a photo of Mr. C's bike. It's not the best photo, but it's such a great set up.
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    coolness everywhere you look/great photo

    Quote Originally Posted by stan lee
    Here is a photo of Mr. C's bike. It's not the best photo, but it's such a great set up.
    dear god i wanna see more of that shed/garage/whatever
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    dear god i wanna see more of that shed/garage/whatever

    You'd pass out at all the coolness.
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    Color Options

    The second is a '98 "standard" Phoenix.


    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/wtb_phoenix/123_2372.JPG" width="512" height="384">[/QUOTE]


    Does anyone know at what point the paint changed? I just talked to a guy who has a Yellow one from '97 and he said that yellow was the original color. Was '97 and '98 when the change occured? I know that in '93 and I think '94 Blue and Pearl were the options outside of custom job. Maybe in '95 they added the Green?

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    When the show fits.....

    Quote Originally Posted by dick
    Five whole feet, huh.

    Why do you think they call him Dick?
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    Phoenix

    I wanna see the mirror for watching tv!
    Quote Originally Posted by stan lee
    Here is a photo of Mr. C's bike. It's not the best photo, but it's such a great set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dick
    Five whole feet, huh.
    Yep, five whole feet buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Courtesy of ~martini~, after I hounded him for a period of time, this is now my trusty steed. Took it out for a ride in the hills behind my house today so I could take some pics and take it off some sweet jumps. It will soon have a Steve Potts built Type II and front rollercam.


    It was in the process of toppling over as this shot was being taken But, no harm, no foul.
    hey mike,
    which handlebar is this one? titec.. but is it ti? i like the sweep. a lot. and it seems 24in wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    hey mike,
    which handlebar is this one? titec.. but is it ti? i like the sweep. a lot. and it seems 24in wide.
    Surly 1x1 Torsion bar maybe?

    Those are pretty wide with a fair amount of sweep. Cool bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Surly 1x1 Torsion bar maybe?

    Those are pretty wide with a fair amount of sweep. Cool bar.
    i thought of those.. steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    hey mike,
    which handlebar is this one? titec.. but is it ti? i like the sweep. a lot. and it seems 24in wide.
    It's a silver aluminum Titec Flatracker (the other photo with the WTB stem is a Titec ti 118 bar - different from the one on my Phoenix). 630mm wide with about 11 deg back sweep. My favorite flat bar. Salsa is now making some nice wide flat bars with both an 11 and 17 deg backsweep as well. Probably my new (readily available) flat bar.
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    heres a 94

    ok, so the parts may look familiar and the seatpost isn't correct, but i thought i'd share anyhow.

    these parts came off my 96 Phoenix that will end up with a sussy fork, and this 94 frame came originally from rumphy via a nice fellow in japan.

    need to still paint the TypeII, but haven't.

    here you go.

    hey rumphy, did you have the rollercam mounts added to the seatstay? or were they already on there? odd for a 94.

    all for now
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    uh,

    it's actually blue, but you can't tell by that photo, maybe this one.
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    Nate, I can't wait to get down to yer shop! I recently found out that a cousin is getting married and the wedding is in Lincoln. Some time in August. I'll for sure be bringing along a bike.

    I'll get ahold of ya closer to the date to try and set something up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cursivearmy
    ok, so the parts may look familiar and the seatpost isn't correct, but i thought i'd share anyhow.

    these parts came off my 96 Phoenix that will end up with a sussy fork, and this 94 frame came originally from rumphy via a nice fellow in japan.

    need to still paint the TypeII, but haven't.

    here you go.

    hey rumphy, did you have the rollercam mounts added to the seatstay? or were they already on there? odd for a 94.

    all for now
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    Hey! Nice to see it come back home.

    Yep, the RC mounts were already there.


    Here are a few pictures as I found it:



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    That was quick

    Looks great, Nate. I want one with a Type II up front. I should have bought that from Rumpfy a long time ago.

    Here's mine with the lever link up front:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Looks great, Nate. I want one with a Type II up front. I should have bought that from Rumpfy a long time ago.

    Here's mine with the lever link up front:

    We could have done a straight up for what I just picked up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Looks great, Nate. I want one with a Type II up front. I should have bought that from Rumpfy a long time ago.

    Here's mine with the lever link up front:
    I dig the oversize Suntour seatpost on that bike. Was that a production item and if so, where can I find one from my Phoenix?

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    some answers

    hey marty, please stop by the shop in august, we'll go ride somewhere for sure.

    ER-thanks for the shots of the Phoenix frame before the repaint, cool to see for sure. And by the way, just exactly what did you recently aquire?

    FB, i'm stoked that you got the scissor cam to work on that WTB brake brace, it looks so correct and tough on the front end. what year is that Phoenix?96?or 97?

    Bushpig- that's a suntour head unit on a custom WTB 31.8 aluminum post, they use to do them that way and you could get them with your phoenix from WTB. I've got a couple of the head units out of fried post's. since suntour just pinned them into their posts you could have a shim made and fit it into the new post, like WTB did.

    keep the phoenix stuff coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan lee
    Here is a photo of Mr. C's bike. It's not the best photo, but it's such a great set up.

    That is a really cool Phoenix. Just like having a steel Ham. I want one like that. Love that color too.

    Charlie said that particular Phoenix is a one-off and a bit noodly; its got a True Temper front triangle which is a bit smaller in diameter than the Ritchey Logic Oversized tubing typically used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cursivearmy
    hey marty, please stop by the shop in august, we'll go ride somewhere for sure.

    ER-thanks for the shots of the Phoenix frame before the repaint, cool to see for sure. And by the way, just exactly what did you recently aquire?

    FB, i'm stoked that you got the scissor cam to work on that WTB brake brace, it looks so correct and tough on the front end. what year is that Phoenix?96?or 97?

    Bushpig- that's a suntour head unit on a custom WTB 31.8 aluminum post, they use to do them that way and you could get them with your phoenix from WTB. I've got a couple of the head units out of fried post's. since suntour just pinned them into their posts you could have a shim made and fit it into the new post, like WTB did.

    keep the phoenix stuff coming.

    nate
    Yep, what Nate said; its just a standard Suntour post cut off at about 4" and pressed into a 31.8 tube with a pin and some epoxy.

    I also have one that looks like Suntour made it (one piece/no pins), but I think its a 31.6.

    Nate, I think thats a 96. I cant really read the serial number.

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    Mine came with an American Classic seatpost and I see those pop up in their catalogs mostly.
    No, I am not retro.... I am way ahead of my time...

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    Great thread Any production numbers

    I love all the great shots of Potts bikes. I have a Ti Phoenix and my father has a Potts custom steal.

    Anyone have production numbers on Potts built Phoenixes, both Ti and steal. It is my understanding that the last of the Phoenixes, were not built by Potts, is this true.

    I will try and post some pictures in a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CT2
    I love all the great shots of Potts bikes. I have a Ti Phoenix and my father has a Potts custom steal.

    Anyone have production numbers on Potts built Phoenixes, both Ti and steal. It is my understanding that the last of the Phoenixes, were not built by Potts, is this true.

    I will try and post some pictures in a few.

    I believe fellow forum regular Fillet Brazed is working on a Potts serial number registry/database....not sure if that includes Phoeni (plural of Phoenix? )).
    I'm sure he can make use of your Dad's Potts serial number.

    And we can all make use of seeing some pictures of your Potts/WTB rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CT2
    I love all the great shots of Potts bikes. I have a Ti Phoenix and my father has a Potts custom steal.

    Anyone have production numbers on Potts built Phoenixes, both Ti and steal. It is my understanding that the last of the Phoenixes, were not built by Potts, is this true.

    I will try and post some pictures in a few.

    Not sure how many steel Phoenixes were made. Cursivearmy might know that. Like Rumpfy said, Im putting together a Potts database and would like your serial numbers and to see pics.

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    hey guys,

    well, last i spoke with steve he said that he built between 550 and 600 steel Phoenix's during the run, but then again, brennan and i were busy chewing our french toast and not really giving him full attention. steve makes great french toast.

    but yup, between 550 and 600 according to steve.

    all for now
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    Quote Originally Posted by cursivearmy
    well, last i spoke with steve he said that he built between 550 and 600 steel Phoenix's during the run, but then again, brennan and i were busy chewing our french toast and not really giving him full attention. steve makes great french toast.

    but yup, between 550 and 600 according to steve.

    all for now
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    So about 100 were made per year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cursivearmy
    steve makes great french toast.
    You gotta try the sourdough pancakes next time

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    You gotta try the sourdough pancakes next time

    I dont think the french toast or the sourdough pancakes can hold a candle to the pizza from the local Point Reyes Pizzeria/Video Rental store.

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    Interesting how many of you have had 'breakfast' with Steve Potts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dick
    Interesting how many of you have had 'breakfast' with Steve Potts.
    ah, jealousy rears its ugly 'head.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by cursivearmy
    well, last i spoke with steve he said that he built between 550 and 600 steel Phoenix's during the run, but then again, brennan and i were busy chewing our french toast and not really giving him full attention. steve makes great french toast.

    but yup, between 550 and 600 according to steve.

    all for now
    nate

    Ok, so I got a PM with a Phoenix serial number and Ive started a seperate Phoenix database. If you can, give me the SN, size, rear brakes (SE or not) and whether or not its got the old or newer decals. Or a pic. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Ok, so I got a PM with a Phoenix serial number and Ive started a seperate Phoenix database. If you can, give me the SN, size, rear brakes (SE or not) and whether or not its got the old or newer decals. Or a pic. Thanks.
    WTB Phoenix 94260 was an SE model. 15" frame, blue.
    Feel free to use the pics from this thread. Older style decals I believe.
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    Hollister gave me a heads-up on this thread. I ride a Ti Phoenix, '97 if I remember right. Unfortunately, I see no numbers on it and I have none of the original documents. It isn't a collector's piece for me, it's my main ride! I'll just re-post pics and explanation from the F=88 posts I made about it:

    Sorry about the cheesy kitchen pics, but I didn't want to be accused of not having a bike, so I did a rush job:

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    <img src=http://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/500/Phoenix_002.jpg>

    ... I got a sweetheart deal on the frame. It belonged to a friend of a friend, a shop mechanic about my height who seemed to have unlimited resources and a penchant for boutique ti. He was selling it after his Bow-Ti had arrived to replace it (this was '98, I believe). It appeared to be VERY lightly used. I built it up in large part with parts cannibalized from my bike before, and some of those parts are still on it. I got it for $800, very nearly all I had to my name.

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    My WTB Phoenix Ti

    I love this bike. One of my favorite rides.
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    Trusty old friend

    I sure wish my Phoenix was as beautiful as the others shown but it's my daily ride. I've always thought that the best kind of bike is one that's ridden. That makes this the best I've ever owned.....and I have a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CA Peddler
    I sure wish my Phoenix was as beautiful as the others shown but it's my daily ride. I've always thought that the best kind of bike is one that's ridden. That makes this the best I've ever owned.....and I have a few.

    Thats totally awesome. Thats the exact Phoenix Ive been looking for. And I agree about the riding part. They sure are great riding bikes. If you ever want to uh, you know....

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    Its not a great pic, but I need to bring this thread back. Any more Phoeni' out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Its not a great pic, but I need to bring this thread back. Any more Phoeni' out there?

    Your rear spring tension is way ... too ... tight

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Your rear spring tension is way ... too ... tight

    Haha! Little bit.

    Thats been corrected and WTB brace added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    WTB brace added.
    the one from the front end? the spacing worked out OK, or did it need to be drilled more?
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    Okay I Play...

    At first when I got the frame I was running a more "V.R.C." set up, Using WTB canti brakes (not the crappy copies), Suntour XC pro brake levers with XT thumpshifters, on a M900 rear hub using a 8speed cassette, a "Universal clamp" band type XT front derailleur (the seat tube is massive on the Ti version)

    Well I was getting tired of the Kadiwompas Suntour cable stop attach to the seat post collar and also the routing of the brake wire attach to the steer tube, but before that I try a set of AVID tri-Aling brakes with not much emothional attachment.

    Anyway One day i just figure out since my frame was somehow "Newer" and not running the proper rollercam mounts was pointless to try to keep it Mega Vintage so I build it with a more current mix of M900 and M950 parts.

    As any of my bikes this is a "Rider" and it needs to work as best as possible.


    Halson suspension fork (I don't have a proper rigid fork so far) on a WTB grease guard hub and a Mavic 517 rim with a matching color Mango chris king headset (thanks mister mendocino)


    My Funky Ti handlebars look amazing but sincerely they don't work that well for me, maybe I need more hours with them.


    Yes I wrap the chainstays, hell I always wrap my chainstays.
    my last "mister Tuffy" happen to the orange and I think it looks kind of cool, M900 rear with a red bulleye pulley, a Thompson seatpost since I did not have the proper suntour seatpost and a re-machine Hope seat collar QR clamp.


    A 20 year old White "Perforated" Selle Italia flite that is being with me all that time and the super comfy Oury grips like all the Hipsters in san francisco (I do have the WTB grips, I just don't like them)
    the cranks are 175mm M900 running on a 108mm x 68mm Syncros Ti bottom bracket (the BB shell is 73mm but I know a few tricks)


    And this one just for Eric since apparently he loves my Motorcycle more than I do....


    Again sorry is not super VRC, then again it rides very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Okay I Play...

    At first when I got the frame I was running a more "V.R.C." set up, Using WTB canti brakes (not the crappy copies), Suntour XC pro brake levers with XT thumpshifters, on a M900 rear hub using a 8speed cassette, a "Universal clamp" band type XT front derailleur (the seat tube is massive on the Ti version)

    Well I was getting tired of the Kadiwompas Suntour cable stop attach to the seat post collar and also the routing of the brake wire attach to the steer tube, but before that I try a set of AVID tri-Aling brakes with not much emothional attachment.

    Anyway One day i just figure out since my frame was somehow "Newer" and not running the proper rollercam mounts was pointless to try to keep it Mega Vintage so I build it with a more current mix of M900 and M950 parts.

    As any of my bikes this is a "Rider" and it needs to work as best as possible.

    Halson suspension fork (I don't have a proper rigid fork so far) on a WTB grease guard hub and a Mavic 517 rim with a matching color Mango chris king headset (thanks mister mendocino)


    My Funky Ti handlebars look amazing but sincerely they don't work that wel for mel, maybe I need more hours with them.


    Yes I wrap the chainstays, hell I always wrap my chainstays.
    my last "mister Tuffy" happen to the orange and I think it looks kind of cool, M900 rear with a red bulleye pulley, a Thompson seatpost since I did not have the proper suntour seatpost and a re-machine Hope seat collar QR clamp.


    A 20 year old White Selle Italia flite that is being with me all that time and the super comfy Oury grips like all the Hipsters in san francisco (I do have the WTB grips I just don't like them)
    the cranks are 175mm M900 running on a 108mm x 68mm Syncros Ti bottom bracket (the BB shell is 73mm but I know a few tricks)

    And this one just for Eric since apparently he loves my Motorcycle more than I do....


    Again sorry is not super VRC, then again it rides very nice.
    Looks good to me! Might be one of your best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    the one from the front end? the spacing worked out OK, or did it need to be drilled more?

    Yep. Its a newer brace with the etched logo. I have an older one for the Salsa. Its heavier.

    And here's some better pics with the more dialed set up. I did have to widen the holes just a tiny bit.











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    Quote Originally Posted by cursivearmy
    it's actually blue, but you can't tell by that photo, maybe this one.
    Nate-
    Where can I get a front cable hanger set-up like you have on this Phoenix?
    I have pretty much the same bike but I think it's a 1996 and has the "Phoenix" decal on the top tube not the down tube...but I really like that cable hanger and want one!
    I've seen it on many of your bikes, as well as on other Potts' bikes.
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    The Phoenix Thread



    Rumpfy,
    Do you think that a Roller-Cam would work back there, or is there not enough room for the cam to properly travel or will it be on a funky angle?
    I don't yet have a Toggle-Cam for my Phoenix, just a Roller-Cam and was just curious if anyone ever tried a Roller-Cam with that sized frame and cable routing
    ...Anyone? Anyone? ...Bushpig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Do you think that a Roller-Cam would work back there, or is there not enough room for the cam to properly travel or will it be on a funky angle?
    I don't yet have a Toggle-Cam for my Phoenix, just a Roller-Cam and was just curious if anyone ever tried a Roller-Cam with that sized frame and cable routing
    ...Anyone? Anyone? ...Bushpig?
    While a toggle is ideal for an off-center cable angle, a roller should work provided there is enough room for the cam to travel. You'll just have to adjust the spring tension accordingly. There are other frames (RItchey P-Series, Phoenix with canti brakes) that use an off center cable pull and they work just fine too by balancing the spring tension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Nate-
    Where can I get a front cable hanger set-up like you have on this Phoenix?
    I have pretty much the same bike but I think it's a 1996 and has the "Phoenix" decal on the top tube not the down tube...but I really like that cable hanger and want one!
    I've seen it on many of your bikes, as well as on other Potts' bikes.
    Is your bike 1" or 1 1/8"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Is your bike 1" or 1 1/8"?
    Do you have extras in a 1.125 size?
    Each bicycle owned exponentially increases the probability that none is working correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    Do you have extras in a 1.125 size?
    Maybe a few

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Nate-
    Where can I get a front cable hanger set-up like you have on this Phoenix?
    I have pretty much the same bike but I think it's a 1996 and has the "Phoenix" decal on the top tube not the down tube...but I really like that cable hanger and want one!
    I've seen it on many of your bikes, as well as on other Potts' bikes.

    It's a WTB cable hanger. There are some quality replicas known to be floating around out there if you know the right people..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    While a toggle is ideal for an off-center cable angle, a roller should work provided there is enough room for the cam to travel. You'll just have to adjust the spring tension accordingly. There are other frames (RItchey P-Series, Phoenix with canti brakes) that use an off center cable pull and they work just fine too by balancing the spring tension.
    Thanks SSMike, That's good to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Any more Phoeni' out there?
    Yes, mine, but it is not finished - yet. Pic from right after collection =>


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    Patineto- Very smooth ride. I used to have a Halson PDS fork, and used a Ritchey Z-Max 2.35. As I recall, it touches the crown when the fork is near bottoming. I would check.
    undefined Absolutely must have: Black Machine Tech Zeroflex brake levers (the ones with the rotating leverage adjuster)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    While a toggle is ideal for an off-center cable angle, a roller should work provided there is enough room for the cam to travel. You'll just have to adjust the spring tension accordingly. There are other frames (RItchey P-Series, Phoenix with canti brakes) that use an off center cable pull and they work just fine too by balancing the spring tension.

    A cam is a little more critical than a canti straddle cable in that it's shaped to open the arms a certain way. I think you'd get the cam pulling to one side making the arms respond oddly. Only one way to find out though.

    Maybe you could have a asymmetric cam made.

    Finding toggle cam parts is not impossible, but it's tough... I fab'ed some toggle cam parts up a while back just for fun and it worked, but it was ugly. I can't find the pics though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    It's a WTB cable hanger. There are some quality replicas known to be floating around out there if you know the right people..


    nice replica! now you have a real one to put on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan lee
    Here is a photo of Mr. C's bike. It's not the best photo, but it's such a great set up.

    hmmm. I just realized why that picture looked so familiar.

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    oh my god. That's hideous.

    That bike is just set up wrong.

    In order to redeem yourself, E12k, you have to repost when its complete.

    kthxby.
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    FB's Toggle Cam

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Okay I Play...

    [snip]

    Again sorry is not super VRC, then again it rides very nice.
    Looks really good to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    A cam is a little more critical than a canti straddle cable in that it's shaped to open the arms a certain way. I think you'd get the cam pulling to one side making the arms respond oddly. Only one way to find out though.

    Maybe you could have a asymmetric cam made.

    Finding toggle cam parts is not impossible, but it's tough... I fab'ed some toggle cam parts up a while back just for fun and it worked, but it was ugly. I can't find the pics though.
    Hence the use of the word "should." Yeah, I think it may pull oddly, but once the brake is "on" and the rollers are on the right section of the cam, it should (there it is again!) be okay. The larger the frame and the longer the distance from the guide to the cam, the better. Definitely worth a try, though. Maybe I'll experiment a bit today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Hence the use of the word "should." Yeah, I think it may pull oddly, but once the brake is "on" and the rollers are on the right section of the cam, it should (there it is again!) be okay. The larger the frame and the longer the distance from the guide to the cam, the better. Definitely worth a try, though.
    FatMike has a line on a togglecam so he doesn't need to try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    nice replica! now you have a real one to put on there.
    Right! I should swap that out huh? Man I'm lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    FB's Toggle Cam
    That is hideous.
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